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Mr. Laz
01-27-2005, 02:32 PM
"Pac Man" Jones seems to be ranked by this guy a few slots lower than others i've seen.

Corey Webster seems to be ranked ALOT lower


by RobRoy
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Posted: Jun 17 2004, 10:37 PM

Cornerbacks for the 2005 NFL Draft
-Seniors and declared underclassmen

Analysis: When the 2004 season started it looked like this was going to be a blockbuster year for corners, but most haven't stepped up as anticipated. Great depth but no real elite players. Corners will be in high demand in the 2005 draft but Rolle and Rogers are the only sure fire number one picks in my opinion. Regardless, as many as 10 could be gone by the end of day one (3rd round).


1. CB Antrel Rolle, 6-1 202, SR, Miami
After he destroyed WR Larry Fitzgerald in the Hurricanes’ win over Pitt in 2003, I thought he would have gotten more respect. His athleticism and straight-line speed allows him to get in the backfield as a disruptive force. He's also a tremendous returner. Rolle is quicker than fast but not a true blazer. In 2003 he recorded 51 tackles, seven broken up passes, two interceptions, one sack and 3.5 tackles for loss. This spring (2004) he had a little trouble with the law but his dad is a lawman down in Dade county so he is like teflon. He will make a fine pro because he is so tough and such a good tackler. In fact I could even see him moved to Safety in the NFL because he is so big and strong and so good around the line of scrimmage. Not great in coverage, he has trouble with the little, fast, shifty receivers, but he can lock down those big receivers. He started out hot in 2004 but kind of tapered off at the end, he finished the season with 53 tackles, 6.5 TFL, 1.5 sack, 1 INT and 1 PBU (pass break up).

2. CB Carlos Rogers, 6-1 204, SR, Auburn
Very talented, experienced four year starter. As a freshman in 2001 he was named to The Sporting News Freshman All-America second-team and was on the All-SEC freshman team, he finished fourth on the team with 58 tackles and led Auburn with 12 broken up passes. As a sophomore he tied for the team lead with four interceptions and once again led the team with nine broken up passes. As a junior his numbers tailed off a little because opposing offenses started staying away from him, but he started 12 games and finished the season with 29 tackles and a team-high nine broken up passes. Carlos enters this season (2004) highly decorated; he was named a first-team preseason All-SEC selection by the Birmingham News and a preseason second-team All-SEC selection by Athlon Sports. Carlos displays very good footwork and technique, he has excellent closing speed and plays the ball very well in the air. Had an excellent year and won the prestigious Thorpe Award this year, annualy given out the the nations best defensive back.

3. CB Justin Miller, 5-11 200, JR, Clemson
Miller burst on to the scene as a true freshman picking off eight passes, this set a school record and led the ACC. His freshman year he also broke up nine passes and made 61 tackles in only seven starts. As a sophomore in 2003 he was a preseason first-team All-American according to The Sporting News and ranked as the #2 cornerback in the nation by that publication. He was named to the preseason watch list for the Bronko Nagurski Award (top defensive player in the nation) and the Jim Thorpe Award (top defensive back) and one of only two sophomores nationally on the Thorpe Award list. Miller was also a preseason first-team All-ACC by Lindy’s, The Sporting News, Athlon, and Street & Smith and ranked as the best cover corner in the ACC by Lindy’s. He was also a monster in the return game; he was the first ACC player since Keeta Covington of Maryland (1985) to lead the ACC in kickoff returns and interceptions in the same season. His 35.1 average on kickoff returns was third best in ACC history and his eight interceptions were the most by an ACC player since 1996 when Tar Heel Dré Bly had 11. He was also named 2003 pre-season ACC defensive player of the year. He didn’t have quite the year statistics wise in 2003; he accumulated 12 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack and 2 interceptions because most teams didn’t throw his direction. Miller has bulked up from 185 to 200 pounds this spring and he still runs a 4.40 forty. He is a very cocky corner and will mirror the best opposing receiver all over the field. He is very fluid and smooth in his back pedal. Being only a junior he is still inexperienced but he abounds with talent. Miller leaves Clemson with many records and top 10 school rankings. He had 13 interceptions for his three seasons, third in Clemson history behind College Football Hall of Fame Inductee Terry Kinard and Fred Knoebel. Miller also ranks fourth in Clemson history in career passes defensed with 44 on 13 interceptions and 31 passes broken up. He is the school's career leader in kick returns for touchdowns with five and in terms of kickoff return average. His 30.68 career average on 50 returns is the best in ACC history and the fourth best in NCAA history. In 2004, Miller had 54 tackles, the second consecutive year he had that exact number on 46 first hits and eight assists. He had three interceptions and nine passes broken up for 12 total passes defensed. He averaged 33.1 yards per kickoff return to lead the nation and he also had a 13.0 average in terms of punt returns. His season included a 282-yard performance on kickoff returns at Florida State that established an NCAA record for a single game. He also tied an NCAA return with two kickoff returns for touchdowns. A durable player, Miller played in every game of his three year career (37), including each of the last 31 as a starter in the secondary. Miller had three kick returns for touchdowns this season, the aforementioned kickoff returns against Florida State and a punt return for a score in the overtime win against Wake Forest. Miller earned second-team All-ACC honors as a defensive back and kick returner in 2004 and was named a second-team All-American as a kick returner by Rivals.com. He has decided to forgo his senior season and turn pro.

4. CB Adam (Pac man) Jones, 5-10 190, JR, West Virginia
Athletic playmaker at corner who does everything well and makes play after play. He is all over the field and a wonderful tackler. He talks a lot of crap during a game, but he backs it up. 2004 "All-Spring Team" by The Sporting News and is the leader on the defense. He became a starter at corner last season for the Miami game after Brian King slid over to free safety and never looked back. He is also a dangerous deep man on kick and punt returns. Jones has talent, agility and speed and he was ranked 16th in NCAA kick returns last year (26.27). Jones was second team all-BIG EAST and all-ECAC with 89 tackles, four interceptions, 14 PBU for the season. Adam Jones is just a dynamo as a returner, as he averaged more than 26 yards per kickoff last year. He is one of 29 preseason candidates for the Thorpe Award. Named the Sept 20 2004 Big east player of the week, Jones posted a team-high eight tackles in the Mountaineer victory over Maryland. The junior defensive back recorded two interceptions, which he returned for a total of 51 yards with one pass break-up. Jones is just as effective in the kicking game. He is 10th nationally in punt returns with an average of 16.2, which includes a 76-yard touchdown against East Carolina, and 26th on kickoffs at 24.8. He is a smaller corner and has trouble with the big receivers.

5. CB Marlin Jackson, 6-1 199, SR, Michigan
Jackson is in the Charles Woodson mold. He might have been selected before CB DeAngelo Hall if he would have declared for the draft last year. In his first two years, he has 98 tackles, six tackles for loss, a sack, six interceptions and 25 broken up passes. He played safety in 2003 but will be moved back to corner for his final campaign. Jackson is very experienced, over the last two years he has held in check the likes of Washington’s Reggie Williams, Illinois’ Brandon Lloyd, and Michgan State’s Charles Rogers, all high draft picks currently in the NFL. He didn't have quite the year statisticly as he did in 2002, but opossing teams rarely tried to challenged him.

6. CB Brandon Browner, 6-4 202, Soph*, Oregon State
Browner was a redshirt his first year at OSU, but just exploded as the Pac-10's freshman of the Year in 2003. The 6-4 Sylmar, Cal., native started all 13 games in 2003 and was selected to several preseason All-America squads, he was ranked as the fourth best corner in the nation by Phil Steele’s 2004 College Football Preview magazine, 11th best from Lindy’s Magazine and a first Team All PAC Ten defensive back from Athlons Sports. Brandon is one of college footballs newest stars, he is a 6-4, 202-pound physical corner who had six interceptions, 43 tackles and broke up six passes in 2003. How well is he respected by his teammates? He was the first player chosen by the senior selectors in the draft for the spring game. With all the tall receivers in the NFL these days, defensive coordinators and scouts around the league are keeping an eye on this tall corner that can cover. Browner was on the preseason watch list for the 2004 Jim Thorpe Award honoring the nation's top collegiate defensive back and earned honorable-mention All- Pac-10 accolades. The Sylmar, CA native finished the year with 44 tackles and nine pass breakups for the Beavers, who ended 7-5 after a victory over Notre Dame in the Insight Bowl. He has recently declared the 2005 and since he redshirted as a freshman he is three years removed from high school and eligible. Browner is still a little raw, but I think if Browner has an excellent pre-draft workout and runs under a 4.50 forty he has a good chance to sneak into the first round.

7. CB Antonio Perkins, 6-0 188, SR, Oklahoma
On top of being an excellent senior cornerback, Perkins is one heck of a kick returner. He is getting close to the NCAA career punt return touchdown record. He took three to the house last year against UCLA and was selected as the 2004 Athlon Sports All-American first team punt returner and All-Big 12 second team corner back. Blazing fast, Set OU testing records with a 4.31 in the 40 and a 42-inch vertical leap. He is well coached and an excellent ball hawk. Perkins can cover now, he has nine career interceptions and 16 broken up passes. He can tackle as well with 92 career stops. He needs to work on his run support and he should be a fine prospect. He should be drafted VERY high because of his speed and versatility.

8. CB Bryant McFadden, 6-0 180, SR, Florida State
Played in all 12 games as a freshman and has stated ever since. Bryant is very fast and athletic and he has been well coached. He bats a lot of balls down because of his elite catch up speed. As a junior McFadden recorded 28 tackles and nine pass breakups. Graduated from McArthur High School in 2000 and was a highly recruited football player, a USA Today All-USA first-team selection as a senior and the No. 1 defensive back in the nation and the top over-all prospect in the state of Florida by SuperPrep. Bryant has excellent ball skills and easily turns and finds the ball in the air. He has excellent size and by the end of the 2004 season he should be mentioned as one of the elite corners in the country. He missed the last couple of regular season games in 2003 due to a groin/hip flexor injury, but appears to be fully recovered because he played a great game against Miami in the 2004 opener.

9. CB Darrent Williams, 5-9 175, SR, Oklahoma State
Small, but very talented, experienced cover corner. Selected as 2004 Athlon Sports All-American second team and All Big 12 first team. He is a serious ball hawk; he snatched 6 pigskins for 130 yards and returned two for touchdowns. He is real special cover corner, but don’t let his small size turn you away, because he is a strong tackler. Darrent has blazing speed and runs around a 4.30 fourty. He will probably fall a little bit on draft day due to his size but he gets the job done. I think he will be a future pro bowl player and a lot of teams will wish they wouldn't have got hung up on his size. He reminds me of the Minnesota Viking’s CB Antoine Winfield. During the 2005 Senior bowl practices, a Chargers’ coach mentioned Oklahoma State cornerback Darrent Williams as someone to watch out for. “That guy from Oklahoma State really impressed me,” the coach said prior to the North squad taking the field. Williams backed up the comment by snaring two interceptions in the Wednesday afternoon practice. Standing just 5-foot-8, Williams is playing tall.

10. CB Travis Daniels, 6-0 187, SR, LSU
Corey Webster gets all the press from LSU but Daniels is an excellent player in his own right. Daniels moved from safety to corner with great results in 2003, he picked off two passes and broke up a whopping 26. He has excellent size and is a physical tackler when he gets into the backfield with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for loss. Daniels had a great post-season, during the practices leading up to the 2005 Senior Bowl he displayed the ability to get deep in a hurry. He also read the quarterback well and worked hard to cut-off the field that receivers had to run.

11. CB Fabian Washington, 5-11 180, JR, Nebraska
Washington has been the Internet poster boy so far this year; I have even seen him projected as a first round pick on some internet draft sites. While he is talented, we here at Consensus draft don’t think he is quite that good yet. Washington had a great freshman year and was named 2002 Second-Team Freshman All-American (The Sporting News), 2002 Honorable-Mention All-Big 12 (Coaches), 2002 First-Team Freshman All-Big 12 (The Sporting News), He set the Nebraska Freshman Record for pass break ups (PBU) (13 in 2002) and Interceptions in a Season (Four in 2002). He came back strong again as a sophomore and started all 13 games, he recorded 4 interceptions, 35 solo tackles and 19 assists and had a team leading 10 pass break ups. Fabian has great speed and is a good athlete but he is still very raw with his technique and footwork and needs to learn how to use his hands a little better. In helping Nebraska to a 5-6 finish this season, the 5-foot-11, 180-pound Washington ranked second on the squad with three interceptions, pushing his career total to 11, tied for fourth on the school's all-time chart. Washington recorded 15 pass breakups in 2004 and finished his career with 38, tied for fourth on the Husker career list. In a season when Nebraska's secondary struggled — the Huskers ranked 50th nationally in pass-efficiency defense after leading the nation in 2003 — Washington arguably played his best game against Kansas. He broke up six passes, got an interception and made three tackles. In 2003, Washington was a third-team All-Big 12 pick by conference coaches after breaking up 10 passes and intercepting four. Widely regarded as the top cornerback to come out of the Florida high school ranks in 2001, Washington made an immediate impact for the Huskers. He set school records for a freshman with 13 breakups and four interceptions. He earned second-team freshman All-America honors from The Sporting News.

12. CB Domonique Foxworth, 511, 180, SR, Maryland
In 2002 (Junior) he started all 14 games and was first team All-ACC selection in his first full year as a starter. He posted 54 tackles (46 unassisted), five interceptions, 17 pass breakups and two fumble recoveries and ranked 15th in the NCAA in passes defensed (1.64 per game) and 46th in interceptions (.36 per game), totals that ranked first and fourth, respectively, in the ACC standings. Didn’t have quite the year statistics wise his junior year recording only 3 interceptions, but quarterbacks rarely challenged him. Foxworth will be the only returning starter to the secondary, so I doubt he will get challenged much his senior year either. He's an All-America talent and one of the best pure cover-corners in the league. He is so smooth and fluid out of his back pedal he looks like a ballerina dancing at the nutcracker. He plays the ball very well in the air and bigger receivers don’t intimidate him. He is a hard worker and he has put on about 15 pounds of muscle to his frame since his freshman days but he still is a little thin. He would probably be rated as a first round talent if he was just a little better in run support.

13. CB Corey Webster, 6-0 201, SR, LSU
Webster spent his first year at LSU as a wide receiver, catching seven passes in 12 games. In 2002 he moved to cornerback, and in his first season on the defensive side of the ball he intercepted seven passes. Last year, he intercepted seven more. His 14 picks over the last two years rank second on the school’s career charts. Webster’s 2003 worksheet also includes 36 solo tackles, 46 total, 3.5 tackles for a loss and a sack, and he was second in the SEC (behind teammate Travis Daniels) with 25 pass breakups. Webster might be the best athlete on a team full of athletes. A basketball player at corner, he has the long arms and jumping ability to play even bigger than his height. With his speed and aggressiveness, he frustrates both receivers and quarterbacks alike, and there might not be a better corner in America when the ball is in the air. He's one of the few corners in the game who can truly handle the one-on-one island. He was a quarterback in high school, but he might have been an even better basketball player averaging 20 points a game as a junior. An elite shut down corner that has fantastic one on-one-cover skills. He played a little reciever this year and that might have hurt his focus on the corner. His stock is dropping a little after a subpar year.

14. CB/S Ronald Bartell, 6-1 198 SR, Howard University
A Division I-AA pure speedster, Bartell has consistently run in the 4.40 range. "Diamonds In The Rough" Black College Football Scouting Magazine has released its 2004 Pre-Season Top 10 Black College Football Pro Prospects. The list is gathered from the DITR staff, college game film research and a variety of football resources. Howard University defensive back Ronald Bartell was number 1 on the list. Bartell Transferred from central Michigan and has played safety and corner, he is a very sure tackler recording 67 tackles as a sophomore. He has a prototypical NFL physique, speed, athleticism and leaping ability. He can definitely keep up with speed receivers, and has enough size to play bump-and-run against the big boys. Ronald is a little too aggressive at times, must learn to play under control and improve on his tackling.

15. CB Kelvin Hayden, 6-0 198, SR, Illinois
Super athletic, inexperienced corner that has really had a strong senior campaign. Hayden was the team's leading receiver last year, but his size and speed were desperately needed on defense so he moved to corner this spring. Last year (2003), he led the team in receiving yards and receptions and was sixth in the Big Ten in receptions per game. He caught 52 passes for 592 yards and rushed six times for 54 yards. Hayden is a JUCO transfer and was the NJCAA National Offensive Player of the Year as a receiver, he racked up 1,297 yards and 13 TDs as a sophomore, he caught 114 passes for 1,839 yards and 17 scores, an average of 16.2 yards per catch during his junior college. He Was the first wide receiver to ever win NJCAA Player of the Year honors. Phenomenal all-around high school athlete who originally signed with Illinois out of Hubbard High School, he was a four-year starter on the gridiron. Hayden was an All-State selection as a wide receiver as a senior and was a two-time City League Track Champion in the 55 and 200-meter dashes indoors and the 100 and 200-meter dashes outdoors. This year (2004) at corner he recorded 4 INTs for 84 yards and 1 TD. Ok so we know he can play receiver but can he play corner? It sure looks like it, his days as a receiver has made him a ball hawk and he plays the ball very well in the air, he has the speed and athletic ability to play corner at the next level, but he will need a lot of work on his technique and his tackling. He is starting to draw a lot of attention, he made the 2004 Collegefootballnews.com All-Big Ten Team.

16. Antwaun Rogers, 6-0 170, SR, Purdue
Has great height and long arms. Plays the ball very well, breaks up a lot of passes and shown to be very agressive. Has really improved each of his four years as a starter. Is a solid tackler in the open field, but could use a little more strength. Is skinny and tends to get pushed around by stronger receivers. He must get stronger and show more playmaking ability to be more than a scheme corner (most likely cover 2) in the NFL. Very fast but not elite speed. He really needs to play around 185 in the NFL, but can he gain that much weight and still keep his speed? If he beefs up between now and the combine he has a real shot at being a day one pick.

17. CB Evan Oglesby, 6-0 180, SR, North Alabama
Evan is a super talented defensive back that was selected as a Division II 2003 First team All-America defensive back by The Football Gazette. The other corner selected for that honor was CB Ricardo Colclough, who was a second round draft pick of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So he is in pretty good company. Oglesby has another year to fine-tune his technique and with further development he has a shot to stand out at the senior bowl like Colclough did. Not only is Evan great in coverage but he is a great tackler also which will help him in the eyes of pro scouts, he led his team in tackles with 56. But he isn’t a slouch in coverage either and he made quarterbacks pay dearly last year by snagging 7 interceptions. Evan Oglesby also has excellent numbers, he has a 4.42 40-yard dash, 34 inch vertical jump and 315 pound bench press. Unless you follow Division II you probably won’t hear much about this guy, but NFL scouts are already calling around asking about him.

18. Eric Green, 5-10 198, SR, Virginia Tech
Green entered the 2004 season with seven career interceptions; with three interception last season, returning two for touchdowns. Eric's is also a threat on special teams where he has blocked four kicks. He is very experienced and saw action at cornerback in 23 of 24 games during his first two seasons at Tech. He was in the running for a starting job at corner when he suffered a torn ACL in his left knee prior to the start of 2002 preseason practice. He was inconsistent at times last season, but found himself pressed into action as a true freshman in 2000 due to injuries at the cornerback position. He ended up starting five games, playing nearly 400 defensive plays and was named second-team Freshman All-America by The Sporting News after the season. Green's knee appears to be fully healed; he had a strong game in the 2004 season opener, helping to shut down USC's young receivers. Went on to have a decent but not spectacular 2004 season, finished with 1 INT, 1 pass defended and 31 total tackles. Plays small, gets pushed around and gives up to much cushion to recievers.

Best of the rest
Alan Zematis-Penn State
Lamont Reid-NC State
Cedrick Williams-Kansas State
Derrick Johnson-Washington
Dustin Fox-Ohio State
Eric King-Wake Forest
Mark walker-TCU
Antwan Allen-Iowa
Stanford Routt-Houston
Chris McKenzie-Arizona State
Eric Williams-Oregon State
Byron Jones-Texas A&M
Robert Jones-Oklahoma State
Reynaldo Hill-Florida
Jahmal Fenner-UTEP
Bobby Keyes-UAB
Garron Bible-Delaware
Scott Robinson-Western Michigan
Brandon Heaney-BYU
Travis Johnson-Ole Miss
Markus Curry-Michigan
Marcus Hudson-NC State
Jerrell Hardy-San Jose St.
Rodney Woods-Oregon
Scott Starks-Wisconsin
Aric Williams-Oregon State
Ukee Dozier-Minnesota
Leroy Smith-Florida State
Nicholas Collins-Bethune-Cookman
Matt Clark-UCLA

Top seniors for the 2006 Draft

1. CB Will Blackmon, 601, 185, Boston College
Will is a fine young cornerback, as a true sophomore he picked off 4 passes with 21 return yards, it seems he is always around the ball. He was 2nd team All-Big east as a true sophomore. He will be a true junior this year but he is smart and knows how to read offenses. He has good height and excellent speed and is a talented punt and kick off returner. He is still a little raw and he could use about 15 more pounds of muscle but if he plays up to his potential this year and decides to turn pro he has first round talent. Blackmon was a highly decorated high school athlete, he was selected as the top player in New England by both SuperPrep and PrepStar and gained Gatorade Rhode Island Player of the Year accolades as a senior defensive back/running back at Bishop Hendricken High School. He was also a two-time All-State and three-time All-City choice. He excelled in basketball and track and won the 100-meter dash in the Rhode Island state meet (10.87).

2. CB Darrell Hunter, 6-1 201, Miami (Oh)
Hunter is a true speed demon; he is the fastest player in the history of the Miami (Oh) football program, running a 4.29 in the 40. He was a former Ohio champion in the 100- and 200-meter dashes. He is raw in technique, but fairly experienced for a junior; he has played extensively since he was a true freshman. He snatched four interceptions last year as a sophomore and flashed brilliance at times. He has the size/speed ratio that scouts covet and he will be guarding WR Martin Nance in practice so he should improve a lot this year.

3. CB Kelly Jennings, 6-0 177, Miami
Kelly is ready to explode this year, opposing teams will try to pick on him because Antrell Rolle is on the other side, so he should get his hands on a lot of balls. Jennings is a little light and he needs to get stronger and improve his tackling but he is very fast and athletic. As a freshman in 2002 he started 11 games, recording 25 tackles and 6 pass break ups. He battled injuries last year and only started 5 games but still recorded 18 tackles. Jennings will get a lot of reps this spring and should finally reach his potential. If he can stay healthy, get stronger and improve his run support he should be an intriguing mid round draft pick.

4. CB/S Donnie McCleskey, 5-10 195, California
Donnie is a very talented defensive back; he is kind of an unknown because he is listed as a “rover” on Cal’s depth chart. He is kind of tweener, but has played mostly safety. If he shows enough speed he might be moved to cornerback. NFL scouts have noticed him; he is a 2004 first team Street & Smith’s All-American defensive back. Last year he was a 1st team PAC-10 DB and recorded 102 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 7 tackles for a loss and 11 passes broken up. He is a very sure tackler around the line of scrimmage but he also has the speed and quickness to cover the best receivers. Donnie is very fluid, has loose hips and is very smooth out of his back pedal. By the end of the year he should be one of the top NFL defensive back candidates, but will his tweener tag hurt his stock?

5. CB Eric Bassey, 6-1 198, Oklahoma
Eric has world-class speed, he ran a 4.32 40 during spring drills. Eric is a very young guy but he is supremely talented, he had 1 interception for 34 yards and 1 Touchdown. He has played both safety and corner and appears to be beating out vaunted cornerback Chijioke Onyenegecha for the starting spot this year. The entire Sooner secondary was a little bit of a dissapointment this year, they just didn't make a lot of plays. Bassey would benefit from another year in school.

6. CB Tye Hill, 5-10 180, Clemson

7. CB Chijioke Onyenegecha, 6-2 205, Oklahoma

The young and the restless
Top Juniors for the 2006 Draft:

Antonio Cromartie, 6-3 205, FSU
Laron Landry, 6-2 180, LSU
Quinton Culberson, 6-0 210, Mississippi
Michael Griffin, 6-0 183, Texas
Sammy Joseph, 6-0 181, Colorado

ChiefsOne
01-27-2005, 02:51 PM
I would draft first available, any corner listed would have to be an up grade over every corner we have except maybe Warfield.

Hoover
01-27-2005, 02:53 PM
I don't care who we get, we just need to new corners to and get rid of McCleon and Bartee

ChiefsOne
01-27-2005, 02:55 PM
Rolle or Rogers for our number corner. That with Warfield coming on would be a significant upgrade.

Chiefnj
01-27-2005, 02:57 PM
The first round pick needs to be an impact player, not just a decent player at his position. Fujita can be a decent OLB, but he doesn't add that extra spark, that big play when the team needs it. Once you get past Rogers and Rolle I think you lose the spark.

Hoover
01-27-2005, 03:00 PM
The first round pick needs to be an impact player, not just a decent player at his position. Fujita can be a decent OLB, but he doesn't add that extra spark, that big play when the team needs it. Once you get past Rogers and Rolle I think you lose the spark.
I agree, I just can't see one of them dropping to us, if they do I would be pumped.

Mr. Laz
01-27-2005, 03:08 PM
Rolle or Rogers for our number corner. That with Warfield coming on would be a significant upgrade.

i think i prefer Rogers over Rolle ... he's quicker

htismaqe
01-27-2005, 04:55 PM
The first round pick needs to be an impact player, not just a decent player at his position. Fujita can be a decent OLB, but he doesn't add that extra spark, that big play when the team needs it. Once you get past Rogers and Rolle I think you lose the spark.

Miller ABSOLUTELY has that spark...

Hoover
01-27-2005, 05:28 PM
Miller ABSOLUTELY has that spark...
How any CBs will go in the first round? And who will they be?

htismaqe
01-27-2005, 05:46 PM
How any CBs will go in the first round? And who will they be?

It's gonna depend alot on the combine.

I think Jackson, Rolle, Rogers, and Jones are all 1st-rounders. Webster and Miller are borderline 1st/2nd right now.

Mr. Laz
01-27-2005, 06:02 PM
It's gonna depend alot on the combine.

I think Jackson, Rolle, Rogers, and Jones are all 1st-rounders. Webster and Miller are borderline 1st/2nd right now.

how about 2 for us :p


Rodgers in the 1st and webster in the 2nd :thumb:

cut bartee and McCleon

sign Edgerton Hartwell and Chris Claiborne in FA

let Maz and barber go(injury settlements)

sign David Patten

cut Morton

[/edit]ooh forgot :)

trade 3rd Rd comp pick (from tait) and Bober to the rams for OT kyle turley. he just isn't getting along with martz. he should make us a good right tackle for a couple of years.


Sound like a plan?

htismaqe
01-27-2005, 06:30 PM
how about 2 for us :p


Rodgers in the 1st and webster in the 2nd :thumb:

cut bartee and McCleon

sign Edgerton Hartwell and Chris Claiborne in FA

let Maz and barber go(injury settlements)

sign David Patten

cut Morton



sound like a plan?

ABSOLUTELY.