Chiefs LBs: What A Mess

[philfree]

Here's our LBs:

Kiwicka Mitchell, under contract
Shawn BArber, under contract on IR and not due back by seasons start.
Mike Mazlowski, under contract on IR and probably done as a player
Keyaron Fox, under contract almost zero ecperience
Scott Fujita, not under contract RFA
Monty Biesel, not under contract UFA
Quinton Caver, not under contract UFA
Fred Jones, not under contract UFA
Rich Scanlon, under contract, NFLE


We have three healthy LBs and one of those is a NFLE scrub :shake:

Are we gonna hear any day that the Chiefs have re-signed these guys? Seems to me we should have a ton of money available for LBs if we don't.

Do we tender Fujita and try to re-sign him long term or do we let him walk? We were' pretty high on him a couple years ago.

What about Biesel? Do we re-sign him for a Sts Utility LB?

How do we fix this mess?


PhilFree :arrow:

[Phobia]

Why the hell would we want to resign them? Okay - bring Fujita back for depth...

If I never saw any of these LBers on the field for the Chiefs again I wouldn't be heartbroken.

[Phobia]

by the way this is royr17.

Then why are you on your old man's account? You know he absolutely hates that.

[|Zach|]

Fujita is the only one I would be interested. I think Fujita would do a really really good job if he was surrounded by other legit NFL linebackers.

By the way this is ZachKC's dad typing.

[Demonpenz]

If all goes well i hear our starting linebackers will be Fujita Mitchell and Caver. Thats a pretty good LBing core

[Miles]

I havent completly given up on Fujita yet...but i would feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if he isnt penciled in as a starter.

[|Zach|]

I know i do it alot of times cause i dont feel like signin under mine and to reall p*ss him off.
heh, thanks for leaving out that "i" or that would have been a harsh word.

[teedubya]

If all goes well i hear our starting linebackers will be Fujita Mitchell and Caver. Thats a pretty good LBing core

Yeah it is reminiscent of the Patriots LB corps.

[Demonpenz]

Yeah it is reminiscent of the Patriots LB corps.

including headache's

[philfree]

Why the hell would we want to resign them? Okay - bring Fujita back for depth...

If I never saw any of these LBers on the field for the Chiefs again I wouldn't be heartbroken.

That's alot of spots to fill with new players in one offseason.

Another question I have is how much is it gonna cost to cut Barber and Maz? Can't we get them to agree to a injury settlement that gives us cap relief?


PhilFree :arrow:

[Pants]

I don't have a problem with Fuj staying as a starter. He was hurting most of last season and still did OK. He is smart as hell, dcent quick and can hit like a mother****er.

[Phobia]

That's alot of spots to fill with new players in one offseason.

Another question I have is how much is it gonna cost to cut Barber and Maz? Can't we get them to agree to a injury settlement that gives us cap relief?


PhilFree :arrow:

I know there are specific rules governing injury settlement, but I'm not all that familiar with them.

Maz didn't get too large a bonus, so he'll be reasonable to cut. Barber is gonna cost some dead money to cut. The only positive is NFL contracts aren't guaranteed because he has heavy numbers on the back end.

[Phobia]

III - read the last PM I sent on your Dad's account. Now.

[Rausch]

You forgot the jack of all trades, Stills...

[Demonpenz]

got the jack off part correct

[|Zach|]

III - read the last PM I sent on your Dad's account. Now.
It would be kind of cool to do the same name thing in the family so I could have a number. People could just say...Hey! IV!

That would be interesting.

[Rausch]

got the jack off part correct

He's a 235 lb DE.

He's no defensive end. He's freakishly strong for his size, and has SS speed. He's a VERY undersized pass rushing specialist.

And I'll bet you sigs for a month he's no less than 2nd string at MLB or OLB by the end of preseason...Probably starting.

[Miles]

He's a 235 lb DE.

He's no defensive end. He's freakishly strong for his size, and has SS speed. He's a VERY undersized pass rushing specialist.

And I'll bet you sigs for a month he's no less than 2nd string at MLB or OLB by the end of preseason...Probably starting.

Damn i never realized he was that undersized...for some reason i though he was 265 or so. Robert Mathis of the colts is listed at 235 and had 10.5 sacks last season as a DE pass rushing specialist. Not that we want to model anything after the colts D though...

[Demonpenz]

He's a 235 lb DE.

He's no defensive end. He's freakishly strong for his size, and has SS speed. He's a VERY undersized pass rushing specialist.

And I'll bet you sigs for a month he's no less than 2nd string at MLB or OLB by the end of preseason...Probably starting.

I don't really understand what you are trying to say. I do know for a pass rushing specialist he doesn't seem to rush the passer much

[Phobia]

I don't really understand what you are trying to say. I do know for a pass rushing specialist he doesn't seem to rush the passer much

Sure he does. He gets 4 or 5 3rd downs per game and all the special teams plays.

[Rausch]

I don't really understand what you are trying to say. I do know for a pass rushing specialist he doesn't seem to rush the passer much

What I'm saying is that he's a great athlete, but the Chiefs coaching staff has had no idea where to use him. They've put him at SS, ILB, and now DE.

My money is on Gun starting him at LB. He's fast, strong, and physical. And at LB Gun really only cares about the last two...

[Demonpenz]

I am on board with that.

[philfree]

What I'm saying is that he's a great athlete, but the Chiefs coaching staff has had no idea where to use him. They've put him at SS, ILB, and now DE.

My money is on Gun starting him at LB. He's fast, strong, and physical. And at LB Gun really only cares about the last two...

You think Gun is gonna put Stills at LB? If he was gonna do that he'd of done it last year when two of our starters and one of our top reserves were out with injuries.

PhilFree :arrow:

[Rausch]

You think Gun is gonna put Stills at LB? If he was gonna do that he'd of done it last year when two of our starters and one of our top reserves were out with injuries.

PhilFree :arrow:

Why?

Gun already promoted our 3rd MLB to 1st string, and had a speedy OLB in Caver (who decided to tackle for $#it, but you see what I'm getting at.)

We had Depth at LB, but going into the season we had questions on the defensive line and SERIOUS problems with our pass rush. And after trading R-Kall Tittiefug they probably felt better with Stills as a PR specialist.

The only reason Stills is still on our roster is because of his special teams play and his ability to rush the passer. And right now, frankly, ALL our LB's suck turd-tunnel at rushing the passer...

[philfree]

I hope not on Stills at LB. We need LBs not STmers.

PhilFree :arrow:

[Demonpenz]

i think mitchell when playing with a healthy Fujita and Maz will be good

[Demonpenz]

I think we are looking at mitchell, Biesel, fujita next year

[Demonpenz]

i think we are going to go with some more O firepower in the draft. All we need is our D to be middle of the pack anyway

[Rausch]

I hope not on Stills at LB. We need LBs not STmers.

PhilFree :arrow:

I think you'll be suprised, but that's JMO...

[Demonpenz]

i am officially doubting stills

[el borracho]

i think mitchell when playing with a healthy Fujita and Maz will be good
I don't think that exists anymore and, frankly, the Chiefs will be better for it.

[Rausch]

I think we are looking at mitchell, Biesel, fujita next year

Mitchell and Biesel are both MLB's...One of those 2 will win at MLB unless we sign a GOOD one.

I'd guess Fujita is locked in to his OLB position.

That still leaves us empty on one side...

[Demonpenz]

Mitchell and Biesel are both MLB's...One of those 2 will win at MLB unless we sign a GOOD one.

I'd guess Fujita is locked in to his OLB position.

That still leaves us empty on one side...


levon kirkland

[Demonpenz]

i thought biesel played DE?

[Miles]

i thought biesel played DE?

Nope. MLB.

[Demonpenz]

ok all joking aside I don't know what the hell I would do. It doesn't look like this D is going to be much better than last unless they land a derrick johnson type of player. I hope they try bartee at saftey, pick up another starting corner.

[Rausch]

levon kirkland

He's retired.

And if he isn't, he should be.

He weighs more than a fiat...

[Miles]

levon kirkland

Did he play last year? He was pretty medocre for your boys in 2003.

[philfree]

Mitchell and Biesel are both MLB's...One of those 2 will win at MLB unless we sign a GOOD one.

I'd guess Fujita is locked in to his OLB position.

That still leaves us empty on one side...


I was pondering Fujita playing the RLB position and getting a SLB in free agency :hmmm: Is there any readon why Fuji couldn't play WLB?


PhilFree :arrow:

[Demonpenz]

Nope. MLB.


i know i was just being stupid because the whole group is a pile of shit, starting with mitchell not being able to catch, flow to the ball, or take on tacklers. All the linebackers wait and wait until they get blocked or dive into a play only to tackle the wrong guy

[Demonpenz]

He's retired.

And if he isn't, he should be.

He weighs more than a fiat...


I was kidden

[Demonpenz]

i am tired of the chiefs having great athletes on Defense, and not enough football players

[Rausch]

I was pondering Fujita playing the RLB position and getting a SLB in free agency :hmmm: Is there any readon why Fuji couldn't play WLB?


PhilFree :arrow:

I figured he was where he was because he couldn't cover for $#it. Didn't look like it anyway.

But if there's a strong FA at his side, might as well try a move...not that I can think of any off hand...

[Demonpenz]

there are some FA on par with fujita, i can't remember the names though

[Phobia]

there are some FA on par with fujita, i can't remember the names though

Yeah, because Fujita would start at LB for any other team in the NFL?

[Wallcrawler]

Scott Fujita should be retained. Anyone who watched the Chiefs with any kind of consistency at all would see that Fujita was the lone bright spot at linebacker for the Chiefs this year.

He led the team in tackles with 90, and had 4.5 sacks.

Last season, He was second on the team in tackles by only one, second to Shawn Barber. Fujita had 111 tackles, 4 sacks and an interception last season.

Over the past two seasons, that gives Fujita 201 tackles, 8.5 sacks, and an interception.

I did a bit of checking, and heres a couple guys who Fujita has outdone over the past two seasons.

Pro Bowler Al Wilson from Denver has 191 tackles, and 3.5 sacks over the past 2 seasons.

Ed Hartwell, a free agent from Baltimore had 189 tackles and 3 sacks over the past two seasons.


So Im not really seeing the disdain for Scott Fujita that is being displayed on this board. He and Shawn Barber made a great tandem 2 seasons ago, and Barber was hurt this year. People in this thread are acting as if Fujita doesnt have a clue what is going on, and isnt worth retaining.

With some teammates that know what the hell is going on, Scott Fujita would probably do even greater things than what he has done thusfar.

The Chiefs need to retain him, but the rest they can do what they want to with.

[Pants]

Scott Fujita should be retained. Anyone who watched the Chiefs with any kind of consistency at all would see that Fujita was the lone bright spot at linebacker for the Chiefs this year.

He led the team in tackles with 90, and had 4.5 sacks.

Last season, He was second on the team in tackles by only one, second to Shawn Barber. Fujita had 111 tackles, 4 sacks and an interception last season.

Over the past two seasons, that gives Fujita 201 tackles, 8.5 sacks, and an interception.

I did a bit of checking, and heres a couple guys who Fujita has outdone over the past two seasons.

Pro Bowler Al Wilson from Denver has 191 tackles, and 3.5 sacks over the past 2 seasons.

Ed Hartwell, a free agent from Baltimore had 189 tackles and 3 sacks over the past two seasons.


So Im not really seeing the disdain for Scott Fujita that is being displayed on this board. He and Shawn Barber made a great tandem 2 seasons ago, and Barber was hurt this year. People in this thread are acting as if Fujita doesnt have a clue what is going on, and isnt worth retaining.

With some teammates that know what the hell is going on, Scott Fujita would probably do even greater things than what he has done thusfar.

The Chiefs need to retain him, but the rest they can do what they want to with.

F'sho. I could see him going to the Pro Bowl on decent defense/

[Chiefnj]

In a perfect world the Chiefs could use three new starting LBs. But, that isn't going to happen, nor would it be the smart thing to do in a one year window. Because of that, they need to retain Fujita. Fuji will always be an average back. He's got decent speed, but he just doesn't have that big playmaking ability. But, they need one starter with some familiarity in the system.

I would also retain Beisel. Beisel is probably the smartest guy on the team. A brand new scheme last year and he was able to pick up all three LB positions. Plus, you could see improvement in his play.

[BigChiefFan]

In a perfect world the Chiefs could use three new starting LBs. But, that isn't going to happen, nor would it be the smart thing to do in a one year window. Because of that, they need to retain Fujita. Fuji will always be an average back. He's got decent speed, but he just doesn't have that big playmaking ability. But, they need one starter with some familiarity in the system.

I would also retain Beisel. Beisel is probably the smartest guy on the team. A brand new scheme last year and he was able to pick up all three LB positions. Plus, you could see improvement in his play.
Retaing Fujita, IMO depends on whether or not another team is willing to give him a big contract or not. If we could net a good pick out of the deal and not have to match a big contract, I'd let Fujita walk. He's got great POTENTIAL, he's definitely not a stud, yet.

Beisel, I really like, because he plays with heart and attitude. I think he is an ASCENDING player and I predict HUGE things for him, but again, it's still potential. I think we retain Beisel and see what happends with Fujita.

Regardless, we really need to go after a LBer in FA.

[philfree]

Scott Fujita should be retained. Anyone who watched the Chiefs with any kind of consistency at all would see that Fujita was the lone bright spot at linebacker for the Chiefs this year.

He led the team in tackles with 90, and had 4.5 sacks.

Last season, He was second on the team in tackles by only one, second to Shawn Barber. Fujita had 111 tackles, 4 sacks and an interception last season.

Over the past two seasons, that gives Fujita 201 tackles, 8.5 sacks, and an interception.

I did a bit of checking, and heres a couple guys who Fujita has outdone over the past two seasons.

Pro Bowler Al Wilson from Denver has 191 tackles, and 3.5 sacks over the past 2 seasons.

Ed Hartwell, a free agent from Baltimore had 189 tackles and 3 sacks over the past two seasons.


So Im not really seeing the disdain for Scott Fujita that is being displayed on this board. He and Shawn Barber made a great tandem 2 seasons ago, and Barber was hurt this year. People in this thread are acting as if Fujita doesnt have a clue what is going on, and isnt worth retaining.

With some teammates that know what the hell is going on, Scott Fujita would probably do even greater things than what he has done thusfar.

The Chiefs need to retain him, but the rest they can do what they want to with.

Yeah Fuji's decent IMO but he did miss a tackle once and took a bad angle another time so all those tackles mean squat. He sucks.

Seriously I'd keep Fuji and Biesel as well as Mitchell and Fox. Then I'd look for a starter for RLB and vet competition for MLB. WE'll proabaly need at least one more backup too.

PhilFree :arrow:

[Brock]

I don't care if all of them leave. They are all embarrassments as football players go.

[ChiTown]

I don't care if all of them leave. They are all embarrassments as football players go.

ROFL

I'm laughing because I can't find anymore tears left cry about how bad we are...................

[StcChief]

i am tired of the chiefs having great athletes on Defense, and not enough football players

Their motto in drafting for years "Take the best Athlete". Simetimes it works, more often than not they can't be coached to learn new positions.

[whoman69]

Count me in as stating that Fujita should be a Chief next year. He is the type player that does well in Gun's system, and once we get more talent on board, he should look even better. While I am not totally sold on Mitchell, we need to replace Barber even more. He was injured last year as was his young unproven backup Fox. Mitchell looked ok at times and better towards the end of the season. Frankly we can't afford to replace all the parts, nor with chemistry being an issue, should we. We need to replace Woods, Barber, McCleon and Holliday. Those should be our top priorities.

[Wallcrawler]

I disagree, in part.

I think Middle Linebacker desperately needs to be addressed. Kawika Mitchell takes on blockers, taking himself out of the play because he cant get off of them. Then when he isnt blocked, he misses the tackle. You cant stop the run if you dont have a good middle linebacker, and Mitchell is far from being the answer that the Chiefs need.

Barber most likely being allocated to the PUP list pisses me off too, because thats a waste of cap money. The guy has a bigtime contract, and counts for 4 million against the cap this year. If youre going to pay money for nothing, just cut the guy and get someone out there who can play from training camp to the end of the season. By the time Barber returns, he isnt going to be worth anything to us. He should be cut, we take the hit, but get someone in who can play from the start of the season.


We need 2 corners, and a middle linebacker first and foremost in my book. Shaunard Harts is servicable at free safety, and Im pretty sure they arent going to cut Woods anyway.

Id love to see them get a good defensive end, but with Jared allen earning his spot, and DV staying blindly loyal to Eric Hicks just for spite, I doubt that will happen either.

[htismaqe]

FWIW, Barber SHOULD be ideally suited to Gunther's scheme as well.

He played in a blitz-happy scheme in Philly and did just fine.

[MOhillbilly]

Fujita- 95% of the D can hit bricks.

[Wallcrawler]

FWIW, Barber SHOULD be ideally suited to Gunther's scheme as well.

He played in a blitz-happy scheme in Philly and did just fine.



Yeah, but think about it. He's going to miss training camp, plus a bare minimum of 6 weeks if in fact he is allocated to the PUP list. By the time he is medically cleared to play, its going to take him even more time to get back into football shape and be able to contribute anything to the team.

He might have an impact, IF he makes a full recovery, over maybe the final 4 or 5 games of the season.

By then it could be too late, with all the help this defense needs. I dont see why they are wasting their time.

4 million against the cap and cant play for half the season? Thats not good right there. Id go for an injury settlement, or cut him or something. Get someone in who can play the entire time, and at least have an attempt at being worth the money they are being paid. Riding the bench and making 4 million bucks is robbery.

[MOhillbilly]

IMO the KC front office and coaching staff are either to outta touch w/ what it take s to put a team together(its a young mans game) or they let there egos run the franchise.


off w/ there Fn heads.

you gotta make moves when a team is as bad as kc.
after watching the superbowl i said to myself * self there is no way KC will ever be able to beat either of those teams unless there are major moves in personal by a diffrent regime*

[ChiefsCountry]

I think our linebacker is fine if we sign a MLB to start. Edgerton Hartwell would be awesome in the middle for the Chiefs. Fujita, Hartwell, Barber would be a good starting lineup with Fox, Caver, Mitchell, and Beisel as backups. That isn't that bad of a group it is when you have the suppose to be backup players starting which was the case this season.

[htismaqe]

Yeah, but think about it. He's going to miss training camp, plus a bare minimum of 6 weeks if in fact he is allocated to the PUP list. By the time he is medically cleared to play, its going to take him even more time to get back into football shape and be able to contribute anything to the team.

He might have an impact, IF he makes a full recovery, over maybe the final 4 or 5 games of the season.

By then it could be too late, with all the help this defense needs. I dont see why they are wasting their time.

4 million against the cap and cant play for half the season? Thats not good right there. Id go for an injury settlement, or cut him or something. Get someone in who can play the entire time, and at least have an attempt at being worth the money they are being paid. Riding the bench and making 4 million bucks is robbery.

That wasn't really my point.

My point is that we're missing something here big time.

First it was the scheme, so we added players. Then it was the players, so we changed the scheme.

There's something HORRIBLY wrong with this team that transcends the scheme -- something that transcends the players.

IMO, Dick Vermeil is what is wrong with this team.

[Wallcrawler]

Id love to see them pick up Ed Hartwell from Baltimore. He plays alongside Ray Lewis, who logged around 150 tackles, and still managed to rack up over 100 tackles on the season.

We need a guy like that who is used to making plays and stopping the run.

My second choice would be Kendrell Bell out of Pittsburgh, but his injury problems kinda worry me. Hartwell would be awesome in the middle for KC if they could get him.



As for Dick Vermiel, I think he has done all he can with this team if he keeps calling the shots. He came in and brought the offense to all star standards. But thats as far as he can go. He knows jack about defense, so he needs to step aside and let the people who know defense work their magic. Noone F'ed with Dick while he was reworking the offense, so he should give Gun his staff that he wants, and let Gun get the defense going, because he as an offensive minded coach really doesnt know what he is doing when it comes to defense.

If he cant step aside and let the defensive minds do their jobs, then he should step down altogether and retire.

[MOhillbilly]

IMO, Dick Vermeil is what is wrong with this team.


you damn right. he has to much heart, KC needs a heartless cool headed corperate ax man to cut some fat off the meat.
someone who isnt afraid to tell carl to stick it up his ass cause they arent buddies when it comes to players and coaches.

[htismaqe]

Id love to see them pick up Ed Hartwell from Baltimore. He plays alongside Ray Lewis, who logged around 150 tackles, and still managed to rack up over 100 tackles on the season.

We need a guy like that who is used to making plays and stopping the run.

My second choice would be Kendrell Bell out of Pittsburgh, but his injury problems kinda worry me. Hartwell would be awesome in the middle for KC if they could get him.

Hartwell alone isn't going to change anything. He'll come here and suck, just like the rest of the free agents we've signed.

Mark Collins said it yesterday.

We need someone who can come in and instantly be the vocal leader of the defense. That's why a guy like Ty Law would make sense.

[whoman69]

Barber due to his injury cannot be cut unless we come to an injury settlement. Otherwise he can be assigned to our cap #s until he has a hearing. Did anyone hear if Brister got a hearing yet? These things take years to be sorted out, and until that time, he creates a hit against the cap.

[royr17]

The chiefs nees to sign Kendrell Bell if the Steelers dont resign him and resign and sign Rockly Calmus, I would love that group, to have Fujita, Bell, and Calmus as our LB's I think it could solve alot of problems.

Plus Bell is a superstar and if we can stay healthy then we have a monster in the middle for us.

[Bowser]

Don't jump off of the Beisel wagon just yet. That guy jumped around from every LBer spot all through the year. Stick him at ONE spot, let him learn it and get comfortable, and then turn him loose. Fujita has potential, and I think it would be a mistake to let him walk. MLB needs to be addressed as badly as our secondary does. Picking up either Bell or Hartwell would be huge, as either of those guys could turn into the "vocal leader" this defense needs so badly.

[ChiefsOne]

We need a badass LBer like Derrick Thomas or a very good one like Donnie Edwards. We have nothing of the like.

[htismaqe]

Don't jump off of the Beisel wagon just yet. That guy jumped around from every LBer spot all through the year. Stick him at ONE spot, let him learn it and get comfortable, and then turn him loose. Fujita has potential, and I think it would be a mistake to let him walk. MLB needs to be addressed as badly as our secondary does. Picking up either Bell or Hartwell would be huge, as either of those guys could turn into the "vocal leader" this defense needs so badly.

Neither Bell nor Hartwell are "vocal" or "leaders" on their teams now. Expecting them to become one in KC is foolish at best.

We need talent and Hartwell fills that bill. We also need ATTITUDE - a guy like Ty Law would bring that.

[philfree]

Don't jump off of the Beisel wagon just yet. That guy jumped around from every LBer spot all through the year. Stick him at ONE spot, let him learn it and get comfortable, and then turn him loose. Fujita has potential, and I think it would be a mistake to let him walk. MLB needs to be addressed as badly as our secondary does. Picking up either Bell or Hartwell would be huge, as either of those guys could turn into the "vocal leader" this defense needs so badly.


I thought Beisel did pretty good moving to LB and then from one LB position to another all things considered. I think he has some pretty good value as a STs player and utility LB. He's been a little injury prone but I'd re-sign him if he don't want to much.


As far as those who think DV is the problem when they are wearing a Championship ring then maybe I'll start to listen. Till then I think I'll stick with DV. I don't think everything he does is "it" but he's got the resume' to back him so that's good enough for me for now. Our D was alot worse off then he thought too and it's taken longer for it to turn around then anyone wanted. Our D is what has been DVs problem. IMo that's not all his fault.....Whoops gotta go..........


PhilFree :arrow:

[Chiefnj]

Neither Bell nor Hartwell are "vocal" or "leaders" on their teams now. Expecting them to become one in KC is foolish at best.

We need talent and Hartwell fills that bill. We also need ATTITUDE - a guy like Ty Law would bring that.

It would be tough for anyone to supplant Ray Lewis as a leader on the Ravens.

[htismaqe]

It would be tough for anyone to supplant Ray Lewis as a leader on the Ravens.

True. That leaves Hartwell as "unproven".

We can't depend on "unproven". We need a PROVEN vocal leader. And I'll take Hartwell and his talent too.

[Chiefnj]

Neither Bell nor Hartwell are "vocal" or "leaders" on their teams now. Expecting them to become one in KC is foolish at best.

We need talent and Hartwell fills that bill. We also need ATTITUDE - a guy like Ty Law would bring that.

If you want a hard hitting leader with attitude who isn't going to demand the same money as Law, and isn't coming off a serious injury, I'd say Donovan Darius is the man the Chiefs should want.

[htismaqe]

If you want a hard hitting leader with attitude who isn't going to demand the same money as Law, and isn't coming off a serious injury, I'd say Donovan Darius is the man the Chiefs should want.

I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Unlike some others, I think we have a DIRE need at S, one that should be addressed if at all possible.

[CanadaKC]

If we draft a CB in the first round...chances are we will draft a safety like Donte Nicholson from Oklahoma in the second. He's rated right about where we pick...a solid player...and I think we'll address LB in FA...so a LB here isn't the pick.

[Bowser]

If we draft a CB in the first round...chances are we will draft a safety like Donte Nicholson from Oklahoma in the second. He's rated right about where we pick...a solid player...and I think we'll address LB in FA...so a LB here isn't the pick.

Oklahoma has some nice players on D.........

[Chiefnj]

I wonder if KC's free agent money would be better spent on:

top notch MLB; and
top notch CB

or
top notch MLB; and
Donovan Darius S; and
2nd or 3rd tier CB.

[Bowser]

I wonder if KC's free agent money would be better spent on:

top notch MLB; and
top notch CB

or
top notch MLB; and
Donovan Darius S; and
2nd or 3rd tier CB.

I'll take option one, if you don't mind.

[Chiefnj]

I'll take option one, if you don't mind.

I was leaning toward #2. KC's safeties got abused pretty bad last year. A good safety can help against the run, the deep ball and be a 3rd corner.

[Bowser]

I was leaning toward #2. KC's safeties got abused pretty bad last year. A good safety can help against the run, the deep ball and be a 3rd corner.

Hell, either option would make me happy. But having a top tier MLB and corner would make this D better by leaps and bonds.

And don't sweat the safety position. When Eric Crouch gets back from Europe, we'll be set for years to come!

:shake:

[philfree]

I was leaning toward #2. KC's safeties got abused pretty bad last year. A good safety can help against the run, the deep ball and be a 3rd corner.

A good S can help alot but I'm wondering that if our CBs and LBs weren't so bad that our Ss might have a chance to play better. It's gotta be hard to try and cover for both of those positions.


PhilFree :arrow:

[Hammock Parties]

A good S can help alot but I'm wondering that if our CBs and LBs weren't so bad that our Ss might have a chance to play better. It's gotta be hard to try and cover for both of those positions.


PhilFree :arrow:

I don't think that's the case at all. Remember the dissection the commentator did in the New Orleans game of Jerome Woods completely blown coverage of Joe Horn that led to the long TD? That has nothing to do with linebackers.

[philfree]

I don't think that's the case at all. Remember the dissection the commentator did in the New Orleans game of Jerome Woods completely blown coverage of Joe Horn that led to the long TD? That has nothing to do with linebackers.

I didn't say every play that our Ss got beat on was a fault mof the CBs and Ss. I do think Woods has slipped in the last year and I was disapointed in his play. IMO we need Lbs and Cbs more then Ss. If we get those bases covered then I would love to upgrade FS. I see that as a need but not as big of need as LB and CB.

PhilFree :arrow:

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I didn't say every play that our Ss got beat on was a fault mof the CBs and Ss. I do think Woods has slipped in the last year and I was disapointed in his play. IMO we need Lbs and Cbs more then Ss. If we get those bases covered then I would love to upgrade FS. I see that as a need but not as big of need as LB and CB.

PhilFree :arrow:

We need to grab whatever we can get. If a good safety is available and we have the cap room without breaking the bank, SIGN HIM.