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Ralphy Boy

02-19-2005, 07:02 PM

Looks like Kevin Carter & Samari Rolle could be cap casualties by March 2, the Titans are $27 mil over the cap and the two of them count like $10 mil plus against the cap.

Would you consider trading away our 1st AND 2nd for both of them?

No learning curve, both have performed at the highest level with winning playoff experience and would upgrade over our current roster by a large margin.

I mean if this is really the win it all now or nothing year for us, why not make a deal of some sort. The Titans need cap relief in the worst way and both of these guys aren't expected to make it to the June cycle of cuts. It benefits the Titans to get picks for them now rather than just lose out their top tier guys with nothing in return and it would benefit us because we know what we are getting.

I'm saying 2 picks for 2 players, kind of a different trade for the NFL, but an all or nothing deal. What do you think?

The Bad Guy

02-19-2005, 07:06 PM

There is no way in hell I want Kevin Carter on this team. I don't want someone who comes out of the last play of the SB on my team.

Trade for them and pay the big bonuses that BOTH are going to command? No thank you. Rolle is always hurt.

Hammock Parties

02-19-2005, 07:06 PM

Kevin Carter is washed up.

Trading a 1st and 2nd for both is LUDICROUS.

They're going to be free agents, anyway. We don't have to trade shit.

Spicy McHaggis

02-19-2005, 07:06 PM

I wouldn't. Carter isn't worth a 2nd and I'd much rather look at guys that aren't going to cost us picks. This is a critical season for us and trading those picks are going to deprive us of some defensive help we desperately need.

Alphaman

02-19-2005, 07:08 PM

Kevin Carter is washed up.

Trading a 1st and 2nd for both is LUDICROUS.

They're going to be free agents, anyway. We don't have to trade shit.

:clap: :thumb: :clap: :thumb:

EXACTLY!!!! Same with Surtain.

The Bad Guy

02-19-2005, 07:19 PM

:clap: :thumb: :clap: :thumb:

EXACTLY!!!! Same with Surtain.

I don't think so.

The Dolphins aren't just going to cut a Pro Bowl corner. They can get under the cap other ways than cutting someone like him.

There's a BIG difference between Samari Rolle and Patrick Surtain.

milkman

02-19-2005, 07:24 PM

No.
Like The Bad Guy, there isn't any way I'd want that quitter Carter on my team.

Second, why the hell would you give up draft picks for these guys, when they are going to be cap cuts anyway?

Third, there are some pretty good corners that can be had in FA, so why throw away the picks when you can fill the needs for free?

bricks

02-19-2005, 07:31 PM

I'm in on this to. No thank you to Kevin Carter. And, as far as Samari Rolle goes, like gochiefs said, they're going to be fa anyway, we don't gotta give up anything for them. I wouldn't mind Rolle as a backup plan for our CB situation. I'd still focus my efforts, put my attention towards Surtain or Law.

htismaqe

02-19-2005, 07:32 PM

I don't think so.

The Dolphins aren't just going to cut a Pro Bowl corner. They can get under the cap other ways than cutting someone like him.

There's a BIG difference between Samari Rolle and Patrick Surtain.

What are the Dolphins going to do then? They can't pay him at $8M. If he refuses to restructure, they won't have a choice.

StcChief

02-20-2005, 12:08 AM

No way for Rolle, quitter Carter.

Surtain not a 1st or 2nd.

Dave Lane

02-20-2005, 12:13 AM

I'd do a 3rd maybe a 2nd for Surtain. His degenerative knee issues bother me. 2-3 year guy at best.

Dave

DaKCMan AP

02-20-2005, 01:30 AM

What are the Dolphins going to do then? They can't pay him at $8M. If he refuses to restructure, they won't have a choice.

They'll cut Madison before they'll cut Surtain.

Gamblor

02-20-2005, 01:46 AM

Yeah, put me in the "neither" camp. Although I now have a terrible feeling that Carter will be lining up opposite Hicks next year as Vermeil tries to resurrect another of his former favorites ("Favorites" defined as anyone who's ever played for him).

I happen to think Surtain is worth our first-rounder, as a first-round pick in Carl's hands usually results in third- or fourth-round talent.

The Bad Guy

02-20-2005, 02:10 AM

What are the Dolphins going to do then? They can't pay him at $8M. If he refuses to restructure, they won't have a choice.

They can cut Seau, Zognina, Jay Williams, Jay Fiedler, Arturo Freeman, and a bunch of other scabs that take up cap space.

Teams generally find a way to keep 28-year old Pro Bowlers.

philfree

02-20-2005, 02:44 AM

They can cut Seau, Zognina, Jay Williams, Jay Fiedler, Arturo Freeman, and a bunch of other scabs that take up cap space.

Teams generally find a way to keep 28-year old Pro Bowlers.

I think Fiedler would make an excellent backup for Trent Green. I think for alot of his tenure in Miami he was in the same basic offense as the Chiefs use and he has alot of experience.

PhilFree :arrow:

Miles

02-20-2005, 04:47 AM

Samari Rolle is a damn fine CB. Before the wife beating thing i would have really liked us to persue him after he got cut. Now i would have to say pass.

htismaqe

02-20-2005, 06:17 AM

They can cut Seau, Zognina, Jay Williams, Jay Fiedler, Arturo Freeman, and a bunch of other scabs that take up cap space.

Teams generally find a way to keep 28-year old Pro Bowlers.

The Dolphins have already said they can't, and won't, keep him at the $8M number. I agree that they'll do everything they can to keep him, but if he pulls a Dan Williams, they may have no other choice.

Miles

02-20-2005, 06:24 AM

The Dolphins have already said they can't, and won't, keep him at the $8M number. I agree that they'll do everything they can to keep him, but if he pulls a Dan Williams, they may have no other choice.

Interesting. Do you think there is much of a chance they may be forced to cut him it if they cant deal him by the March 2nd cap deadline? I dont know his cap figures so I dont really know how much they will be stuck with if they keep him on after that...just that all of the news is that they are wanting to deal him by then.

htismaqe

02-20-2005, 06:32 AM

Interesting. Do you think there is much of a chance they may be forced to cut him it if they cant deal him by the March 2nd cap deadline? I dont know his cap figures so I dont really know how much they will be stuck with if they keep him on after that...just that all of the news is that they are wanting to deal him by then.

I really don't know, that's why I'm asking The Bad Guy.

It would appear he thinks the Dolphins might just sack up and give him his $8M. But I've heard, from their beat writer for instance, that they definitely will not do that, they'd rather cut him first.

Here's what he said the "official" line coming from the team is:

Saban wants to rebuild the team. They're not concerned with winning in the immediate term. They REALLY feel Surtain has 2-3 years left.

Miles

02-20-2005, 06:42 AM

I really don't know, that's why I'm asking The Bad Guy.

It would appear he thinks the Dolphins might just sack up and give him his $8M. But I've heard, from their beat writer for instance, that they definitely will not do that, they'd rather cut him first.

Here's what he said the "official" line coming from the team is:

Saban wants to rebuild the team. They're not concerned with winning in the immediate term. They REALLY feel Surtain has 2-3 years left.

Yeah about all that ive read is about Saban wanting to rebuild the team and Surtain not being a part of it. Though i hadnt heard they were that pessimistic about him.

Guess it may just come down to the competion between the teams that want him. With more of his knee problems comming out it seems like his trade value should have dropped a decent amount. But you never know what some team that wants to win in the short term will do.

OmahaChief

02-20-2005, 08:06 AM

I think Fiedler would make an excellent backup for Trent Green. I think for alot of his tenure in Miami he was in the same basic offense as the Chiefs use and he has alot of experience.

PhilFree :arrow:

Sure it was in the same basic offense and he was able to suck in it. That guy should be nowhere near the Chiefs. If the Chiefs had any sense they would get a young guy in there to be #2 and groom him. We have had a guy behind Green that has only played mob up. Just think the valuable expeirnce a young guy could get in garbage time.

Hammock Parties

02-20-2005, 08:30 AM

I think Fiedler would make an excellent backup for Trent Green. I think for alot of his tenure in Miami he was in the same basic offense as the Chiefs use and he has alot of experience.

PhilFree :arrow:

I've always liked Fiedler. He's got nice mobility, too.

He'd do just fine behind our O-line and with Tony G to throw to...

I don't know how old he is but he'd probably make a nice caretaker when Green retires, too. Keep the seat warm for a young QB.

whoman69

02-20-2005, 11:08 AM

Hammock Parties

02-20-2005, 11:11 AM

Why is it everytime some sh!tty QB is going to get cut, someone always has to say they would make a good backup for Trent? Fiedler has been horrible with the Dolphins, and no reason to believe he will be any better here.
I don't favor going after any player that is nearing the end of their career unless they can be had for a minimum salary. An older player with an injury history is more a risk than a rookie.

I don't always say that. I'm not interested in Drew Bledsoe in the least.

I just think Fiedler's been in a bad situation in Miami for awhile. He did post an 85.2 QB rating one year.

Mr. Laz

02-20-2005, 11:28 AM

pass on Carter and bledsoe

samari rolle :shrug:

i don't want him for top dollar and i sure don't want him for a trade AND top dollar.

fiedler isn't any better than todd collins ... we need a young guy or we stay the way we are.

Defense,Defense,Defense

FloridaMan88

02-20-2005, 12:09 PM

Mr. Laz

02-20-2005, 12:11 PM

According to ESPN.com, kicker Joe Nedney is another likely cut by the Titans.

Wouldn't this guy finally solve the Chiefs short kickoff problems in addition to providing an upgrade in field goal kicking over Tynes.

now nedney is a guy i would be interested in

although i still think punter is the bigger issue

Hammock Parties

02-20-2005, 12:37 PM

fiedler isn't any better than todd collins ... we need a young guy or we stay the way we are.

I think he is, actually. He's certainly had more NFL success.

Hammock Parties

02-20-2005, 12:37 PM

now nedney is a guy i would be interested in

although i still think punter is the bigger issue

Nedney's no better than Tynes.

Punter could be an issue, but it depends on how Nick Murphy works out. He played well in the one game we had him. ROFL

Mr. Laz

02-20-2005, 12:40 PM

I think he is, actually. He's certainly had more NFL success.

and that's why your name is Gochief ......... brainpan of an eggplant

:moon:

Hammock Parties

02-20-2005, 12:42 PM

and that's why your name is Gochief ......... brainpan of an eggplant

:moon:

My name is GoChiefs because I chose that name.

As for eggplant brains...what has Todd Collins ever done that makes him better than Fiedler? Go and do some research....Fiedler's at least had a couple good years in the NFL. He had one of the best winning percentages among NFL QBs until last year.

ChiefsCountry

02-20-2005, 12:47 PM

If Craig Henrich from the Titans would be cut, then I hope the Chiefs would be all over him.

Mr. Laz

02-20-2005, 01:02 PM

If Craig Henrich from the Titans would be cut, then I hope the Chiefs would be all over him.

IIRC we tried to get henrich away from the titans last year as a free agent.

he just got a new contract, i don't think he can be cut right now for cap reasons.

Rausch

02-20-2005, 01:50 PM

I think he is, actually. He's certainly had more NFL success.

No he hasn't. He's done nothing but suck.

There are probably only 3 or 4 QB's I wouldn't take over him...

Hammock Parties

02-20-2005, 02:04 PM

No he hasn't. He's done nothing but suck.

He's been to the playoffs a few times. That's more than Collins can say.

4th and Long

02-20-2005, 02:09 PM

He's been to the playoffs a few times. That's more than Collins can say.
[devil's advocate]That's an apples and oranges statement gc and it doesn't hold water. It's not Collins fault he's never been to the playoffs.[/devil's advocate]

Wile_E_Coyote

02-20-2005, 02:39 PM

<A name=215592>Titans | Expect to Re-Work Olson's Contract - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:38:28 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) are expected to re-work the contract of veteran G Benji Olson (http://www.kffl.com/player/1866/nfl) this offseason to provide the team salary cap relief.

<A name=215591>Titans | Expect to Re-Work Bulluck's Contract - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:37:31 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) are expected to re-work the contract of veteran LB Keith Bulluck (http://www.kffl.com/player/1860/nfl) this offseason to provide the team salary cap relief.

<A name=215590>Titans | Schulters Still On Bubble - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:36:59 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) have decided to postpone making a roster move involving veteran S Lance Schulters (http://www.kffl.com/player/1884/nfl) at this time, but the veteran safety could be still be released in June due to his high salary cap figure.

<A name=215589>Titans | Berlin to Hit FA Market - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:36:00 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) have decided not to exercise their option on the contract of WR Eddie Berlin (http://www.kffl.com/player/1895/nfl), effectively making him an unrestricted free agent.

<A name=215588>Titans | Meier to Hit FA Market - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:35:35 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) have decided not to exercise their option on the contract of TE Shad Meier (http://www.kffl.com/player/1889/nfl), effectively making him an unrestricted free agent.

<A name=215587>Titans | Nedney Likely Cut - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:34:33 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports barring any last-minute changes, the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) are expected to cut PK Joe Nedney (http://www.kffl.com/player/1875/nfl). An official announcement could come as early as Monday, Feb. 21. The club could re-sign Nedney later this offseason to compete in training camp.

<A name=215586>Titans | Miller Likely Cut - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:33:16 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports barring any last-minute changes, the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) are expected to cut OT Fred Miller (http://www.kffl.com/player/10303/nfl). An official announcement could come as early as Monday, Feb. 21.

<A name=215585>Titans | Holcombe Likely Cut - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:32:50 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports barring any last-minute changes, the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) are expected to cut FB Robert Holcombe (http://www.kffl.com/player/702/nfl). An official announcement could come as early as Monday, Feb. 21.

<A name=215584>Titans | Rolle to be Cut - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:32:17 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports barring any last-minute changes, the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) will release veteran CB Samari Rolle (http://www.kffl.com/player/1848/nfl). An official announcement could come as early as Monday, Feb. 21.

<A name=215583>Titans | Carter to be Cut - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.KFFL.com)
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:23:38 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports barring any last-minute changes, the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) will release veteran DE Kevin Carter (http://www.kffl.com/player/1850/nfl). An official announcement could come as early as Monday, Feb. 21.

edit: & <A name=215582>Titans | Mason to be Cut - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:23:33 -0800Jim Wyatt (http://www.kffl.com/link/173), of the Tennessean (http://www.kffl.com/link/136), reports barring any last-minute changes, the Tennessee Titans (http://www.kffl.com/team/36/nfl) will release veteran WR Derrick Mason (http://www.kffl.com/player/1891/nfl). An official announcement could come as early as Monday, Feb. 21.

Hammock Parties

02-20-2005, 03:06 PM

The Chiefs should sign Fred Miller to play right tackle. He would be a great upgrade.