Chiefs interested in Trotter

[chop]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet.


Chiefs | Interested in Trotter - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:11:24 -0800

Bob Brookover, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports a league source has indicated the Kansas City Chiefs plan to pursue free agent LB Jeremiah Trotter (Eagles) once the open market begins March 2.

[Eleazar]

YES

DO THIS

so.. Surtain... Trotter... who else? I would take those additions :drool:

[jspchief]

Good idea, get him coming off a pro-bowl year, instead of last year when he could have been picked up at the curb next to the garbage can. But I guess last year we didn't have concerns at MLB...

[Bwana]

I like it. The guy has a lot of fire, Guns kind of player.

[Eleazar]

Good idea, get him coming off a pro-bowl year, instead of last year when he could have been picked up at the curb next to the garbage can. But I guess last year we didn't have concerns at MLB...

It was my understanding that he left this Skins and was going to the Eagles and that he was really not ever on the open market.

[jspchief]

It was my understanding that he left this Skins and was going to the Eagles and that he was really not ever on the open market.

You misunderstood. The Skins cut him, no one else wanted him, so he called Andy Reid and begged for a roster spot. Reid conceded with the stipulation that Trotter would be a STer only. In the first game of '04, Trotter lined up on special teams for the first time in his NFL career.

[chop]

I'm on board with this as long as Trotter realizes that he must compete for the starting mlb spot with our future all pro Kawika.

[mikey23545]

You misunderstood. The Skins cut him, no one else wanted him, so he called Andy Reid and begged for a roster spot. Reid conceded with the stipulation that Trotter would be a STer only. In the first game of '04, Trotter lined up on special teams for the first time in his NFL career.

So if your version is true, that means 30 other teams dropped the ball on him as well?

[jspchief]

So if your version is true, that means 30 other teams dropped the ball on him as well?

Yes. There's no question that every team in the league had given up on him. But considering we were going into pre-season with Kawika Mitchell as the only MLB on our roster (and camp fodder Fred Jones), I'd say we had as good of a reason to take a flier on him as anyone did.

[Bowser]

This is great, but jsp is right. We didn't want to take a chance on him because he was thought to have trashed his knee(s) pretty good in Washington. As much as we can kick ourselves for not making a move last year, hindsight is always 20/20. I bet there would be 28 or 29 other teams that would have liked to have him on their squad last year, too.

Surtain, Trotter, and who? My money is on Andre Dyson. Hopefully (for all three!!).

[Wallcrawler]

Im not sure about that.

I read a story on him just before the superbowl that pretty much told about how he was great in Philly, wanted a lot of cash and had to go to the Skins to get it. He suffered an injury, along with dreadful performances with Washington.

He got back to the Eagles, played special teams, but when their run defense was lacking, Trotter got the start and hasnt looked back. He's been an impact player for the Eagles, and he was really happy to be back there.

He said that he and Andy Reid had put the past confrontations of his first stint in philly behind them and that he was now "An Eagle for life."

Im not sure what that means, but it sure sounds like he doesnt want to leave Philadelphia again after what happened last time he left.


It would be awesome if he did leave there though and we could get him. Gun's system is pretty much like Jim Johnson's. Aggressive, attack style with a lot of blitzing. I think he would fit in well.

But I bet if the Eagles offer Trotter a reasonable contract, he will stay on with the Eagles.

[Skip Towne]

How old is Trotter? Could age be the reason nobody wanted him?

[Bowser]

Stinger -

Isn't Philly notorious for not handing out huge contracts to players not named McNabb, Owens, or Kearse? As has been talked about in other threads, players will follow the money (see: Neil Smith). The only thing I have to see to believe is our GM ponying up the cash to sign a Pro Bowl MLB'er and Corner.

Skip -

I might be mistaken, but I don't think he is even 30 yet.

[Rausch]

How old is Trotter? Could age be the reason nobody wanted him?

I doubt it, he's 27...

[keg in kc]

It was his knees. Everybody thought he was done. Good comeback story.

[jspchief]

He got back to the Eagles, played special teams, but when their run defense was lacking, Trotter got the start and hasnt looked back. He's been an impact player for the Eagles, and he was really happy to be back there.

He said that he and Andy Reid had put the past confrontations of his first stint in philly behind them and that he was now "An Eagle for life."

Im not sure what that means, but it sure sounds like he doesnt want to leave Philadelphia again after what happened last time he left.

Yep. It was all in the same article where he talked about baasically having to beg to get a roster spot on the Eagles last year.

I find it strange that he's saying he wants to be an Eagle for life, yet there's talk of other teams pursuing him. Why wouldn't his agent just nip it in the bud if he really was planning on being an "Eagle or nothing"?

[Wallcrawler]

Stinger -

Isn't Philly notorious for not handing out huge contracts to players not named McNabb, Owens, or Kearse? As has been talked about in other threads, players will follow the money (see: Neil Smith). The only thing I have to see to believe is our GM ponying up the cash to sign a Pro Bowl MLB'er and Corner.

Skip -

I might be mistaken, but I don't think he is even 30 yet.


I hope youre right. I was just saying that Trotter followed the money the first time, and it really went south for him. He couldnt even get his starting job back in philly without playing on special teams first. He's back at the top of his game now, so I guess it all rests on what he wants to do.

If he does follow the money and end up in KC, Ill freaking love it. The guy is a monster against the run, and has ability to disrupt the hell out of pass plays.

Im just thinking that so soon after having such a horrible period in the NFL after chasing the big bucks and being so miserable, and now being back on top of his game and comfortable, I dont know if he would chase the money again.

It would be great if the Chiefs could grab him. 27 years old, monster playmaker at middle linebacker, what's not to like there? But I have a feeling he will stay with the Eagles. He played for the vet minimum last season, and I think any reasonable offer put forth by the Eagles, he would accept.

I just base that off of the "Eagle for life" statement he made in that story.

[JimNasium]

Why wouldn't his agent just nip it in the bud if he really was planning on being an "Eagle or nothing"?
Becasue when other teams "want you" it gives you more leverage at the bargaining table.

[Chiefnj]

I'd prefer trying to get Cowart if possible.

What happened with Trotter in Washington? He had talented defensive players around him. Did he get a nice paycheck and get lazy? Are his knees still problematic?

Philly players seem to be better in their system then when they leave as free agents - Trotter, Douglas, Taylor, Vincent, Barber. All of them seemed to take a step back with their new teams.

[Dave Lane]

Surtain Law Trotter. I could live with that.

Dave

[Bowser]

Surtain Law Trotter. I could live with that.

Dave

Don't forget Zygonia, fercryinoutloud!!!!

[jspchief]

Becasue when other teams "want you" it gives you more leverage at the bargaining table.

Yes, but the entire premise of his statement was that he didn't care about the money anymore, he just wanted to be happy. Playing in Philly is where he is happy.

My guess is he's going to go back on that statement and follow the money again. Otherwise getting resigned with Philly would have been a simple process. I hope the money leads to KC.

[jspchief]

Philly players seem to be better in their system then when they leave as free agents - Trotter, Douglas, Taylor, Vincent, Barber. All of them seemed to take a step back with their new teams.

Thats a very legitimate point. Jim Johnson's D scheme is unlike any other D out there. Maybe it makes these guys look better than they are.

[JimNasium]

Yes, but the entire premise of his statement was that he didn't care about the money anymore, he just wanted to be happy. Playing in Philly is where he is happy.

My guess is he's going to go back on that statement and follow the money again. Otherwise getting resigned with Philly would have been a simple process. I hope the money leads to KC.
He had nothing to do with a rumor on the internet. His agent is probably just doing his job and trying to get things stirred up. Now we'll see just how much Philly values his services. Still, I'm not so naive as to think that just because a guy made a statement based on emotion that he wouldn't go somewhere else if the money was right.

[Rausch]

Thats a very legitimate point. Jim Johnson's D scheme is unlike any other D out there. Maybe it makes these guys look better than they are.

I don't think it's the system, it think it's the fact that the eagles are probably the 2nd most talented defense in the NFL (behind only the Ravens.) The Eagles have done such a good job of building and replenishing their defense through the draft it makes me want to puke...

[jspchief]

I didn't realize that a journalist from the Philly Enquirer and "league sources" equated "internet rumor"....

[jspchief]

I don't think it's the system, it think it's the fact that the eagles are probably the 2nd most talented defense in the NFL (behind only the Ravens.) The Eagles have done such a good job of building and replenishing their defense through the draft it makes me want to puke...

That doesn't explain why these guys falter elsewhere...

My guess is it's the right combination of coach and players.

[TRR]

He didn't give anyone a shot to sign him when he was released by the Redskins. He called straight to Andy Reid.

I doubt Trotter leaves Philly again.

[go bo]

This is great, but jsp is right. We didn't want to take a chance on him because he was thought to have trashed his knee(s) pretty good in Washington. As much as we can kick ourselves for not making a move last year, hindsight is always 20/20. I bet there would be 28 or 29 other teams that would have liked to have him on their squad last year, too.

Surtain, Trotter, and who? My money is on Andre Dyson. Hopefully (for all three!!).well, if you're gonna wish for pie in the sky, i'd rather have dale carter and james hasty back like they were in their prime...

wouldn't it be a little [insert perjorative term] to pay draft picks and big $$$ for a cb when there are several cb's available for big $$$ and NO draft picks...

otoh, is dyson available?

would he be considered top flight (big $$$) or second tier? (6 interceptions sure caught my eye)...

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

If we were to sign Trotter I would smile.

[JimNasium]

I didn't realize that a journalist from the Philly Enquirer and "league sources" equated "internet rumor"....
The info is being perpetuated on KFFL for Christ sake. It's not as if Trotter held a press conference stating that he wanted more bling bling.

[BigChiefFan]

Hey, I'll take it as at least we may have some interest in Trotter. That's better than having no interest. Carl needs to LAND these players, but some news that we are interested in him is better than no news about it.

[Rausch]

If we were to sign Trotter I would smile.

I'd pop a Levitra 4 hour stiffy...

[JimNasium]

I'd pop a Levitra 4 hour stiffy...
Same here.

[Wallcrawler]

I'd pop a Levitra 4 hour stiffy...



Color me horrified........


:eek:

[Red Dawg]

He would be pretty good choice but Hartwell would be better.

[BigChiefFan]

This would be great news for us. Land Surtain and Trotter and our first rounder contributing and I can see improvement. Maybe pick up another FA CB or FS who has experience, but won't break the bank and we could be on to bigger and better things.

[FloridaChief]

He's not interested in the Chiefs. Just another non-topic...

[Rausch]

He would be pretty good choice but Hartwell would be better.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235075

What am I missing here?

[CBob]

Don't touch Trotter!!!!!!!!!

He was a bust in Washington, and unless he is used in the exact same way as he is in Philly, he would be a bust in KC.

He is the definition of a system player. You don't change your system to fit the players, you find players who fit your system.

[Rausch]

Don't touch Trotter!!!!!!!!!

He was a bust in Washington, and unless he is used in the exact same way as he is in Philly, he would be a bust in KC.

He is the definition of a system player. You don't change your system to fit the players, you find players who fit your system.

I was under the impression that Gun and the Eagles used LB's in the same way (attacking the LOS, filling holes, taking on blockers, etc.)

[JimNasium]

Don't touch Trotter!!!!!!!!!

He was a bust in Washington, and unless he is used in the exact same way as he is in Philly, he would be a bust in KC.

He is the definition of a system player. You don't change your system to fit the players, you find players who fit your system.
He's better than anything we have on the roster. Who would you prefer that we go after?

[go bo]

If we were to sign Trotter I would smile.hmmmmm...

given that our most glaring weakness is pass defense, we might be better off with a guy with better coverage skills...

i've read that while trotter is well suited for attacking the run, his range in and coverage skills might not be what you'd want to improve a weak (or non-existent?) pass defense...

[CBob]

I was under the impression that Gun and the Eagles used LB's in the same way (attacking the LOS, filling holes, taking on blockers, etc.)

Not as much blitzing though, which is how they avoid Trotter being a problem in coverage.

Antonio Pierce is young, better in coverage and organises the defense much better. If not him then Edgerton Hartwell of the Ravens.

[go bo]

He's better than anything we have on the roster. Who would you prefer that we go after?a playmaker olb and an upgrade for hicks...

and of course, 20 cb's...

[BigChiefFan]

Don't touch Trotter!!!!!!!!!

He was a bust in Washington, and unless he is used in the exact same way as he is in Philly, he would be a bust in KC.

He is the definition of a system player. You don't change your system to fit the players, you find players who fit your system.
Apparently, you haven't seen Kawicka Mitchell. LOL. Just kidding. Mitchell, could use a veteran mentor to help him. We can't give up on Mitchell, but it's important if we are going to give it one last try on Vermeil's last year, we need some help and it starts with the QB of the defense-the MLBer. Trotter may not have been stellar in Washington, but he still averaged 100 tackles per season for them. I also watched alot of the Eagles games this year and he flat knocked players on their butts. He can stuff the run behind the DTs with intensity. He gets into his job and isn't afraid to throw his all into a play to make a tackle. I'd be pleased as Hell, if we got a veteran LBer who could contibute on the field and help coach Mitchell and I think Trotter is a player who could do that.

[CBob]

hmmmmm...

given that our most glaring weakness is pass defense, we might be better off with a guy with better coverage skills...

i've read that while trotter is well suited for attacking the run, his range in and coverage skills might not be what you'd want to improve a weak (or non-existent?) pass defense...

Agreed, as I say, trotter is a liability in coverage, the Eagles cover that up with heavy blitzing or taking him out on passing situations. Should the Chiefs throw big dolllars at a guy who isn't an every down player?

As I say, Antonio Pierce is the best young MLB in free agency, he would be my first choice if I was picking FA's for the Chiefs.

[Rausch]

a playmaker olb and an upgrade for hicks...

and of course, 20 cb's...

We aren't going to upgrade Hicks. Gun, DV, and Peterson love the guy.

The fans aren't happy with him but the FO is, and they won't be moving the guy. Frankly, while he's an underachiever, he's still not the "problem" that CB, OLB, and ILB are...

[CBob]

Apparently, you haven't seen Kawicka Mitchell. LOL. Just kidding. Mitchell, could use a veteran mentor to help him. We can't give up on Mitchell, but it's important if we are going to give it one last try on Vermeil's last year, we need some help and it starts with the QB of the defense-the MLBer. Trotter may not have been stellar in Washington, but he still averaged 100 tackles per season for them. I also watched alot of the Eagles games this year and he flat knocked players on their butts. He can stuff the run behind the DTs with intensity. He gets into his job and isn't afraid to throw his all into a play to make a tackle. I'd be pleased as Hell, if we got a veteran LBer who could contibute on the field and help coach Mitchell and I think Trotter is a player who could do that.

Seriously, all of those tackles Trotter made in DC were 7 yards down the field, he could improve KC's run D, I don't doubt that, but for the price you would need to pay (top dollar, this is a pro bowl player we are talking about) I would want someone who can play every down.

[BigChiefFan]

Agreed, as I say, trotter is a liability in coverage, the Eagles cover that up with heavy blitzing or taking him out on passing situations. Should the Chiefs throw big dolllars at a guy who isn't an every down player?

As I say, Antonio Pierce is the best young MLB in free agency, he would be my first choice if I was picking FA's for the Chiefs.I like Pierce,too, but I believe he is a RFA and I'm not sure if he has been tendered or not.

[BigChiefFan]

Seriously, all of those tackles Trotter made in DC were 7 yards down the field, he could improve KC's run D, I don't doubt that, but for the price you would need to pay (top dollar, this is a pro bowl player we are talking about) I would want someone who can play every down.I agree. I like Pierce, too, but I think he is a RFA. Trotter is a fierce MLBer against the run, but I agree, isn't as great in the passing game.

[CBob]

I like Pierce,too, but I believe he is a RFA and I'm not sure if he has been tendered or not.

No, he is a URFA and according to his agent, will hit the market. he has rejected a contract with a $6m signing bonus of the 'Skins. he is young, can play OLB or MLB and is exceptional at organising his fellow players in the field. He is also one of the best MLB's around in coverage.

[Chief Roundup]

I wanted Trotter last year. So I would definately like to have him this year.

[Bob Dole]

Here's the actual article where KFFL got their info.

How the Eagles deal with their own free agents will likely dictate how they approach the rest of the free-agent market.

For instance, if they are unable to re-sign Trotter, they may end up dipping into the free-agent pool to find his replacement. Two sources close to the situation indicated last week at the NFL scouting combine that the sides will either reach an agreement before the start of free agency or Trotter will play elsewhere next season.

Banner was expected to meet with Trotter's agent, Jimmy Sexton over the next few days. Both sides had agreed that Trotter wanted to remain with the Eagles, but that didn't mean they were going to be able to come to an agreement. A league source said yesterday that the Kansas City Chiefs plan to go after Trotter.

If the Eagles can't re-sign Trotter, they may go after Baltimore's Edgerton Hartwell, who is an unrestricted free agent. Or they may let Mike Labinjo compete with Mark Simoneau for a starting job. That wouldn't be popular with many fans. They would prefer to see the Birds bring in a high-profile free agent at the middle-linebacker position.

Source (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/nfl/11000650.htm?1c)

[CBob]

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=83&pid=65

That's a list for all the FA MLB's if anyone wants to look.

[kc4life]

I wouldnt mind seeing trotter in red & gold he seems solid when motivated.

[The Bad Guy]

Trotter failed in Washington because he was playing read and react instead of react.

I'm sure the Chiefs are well aware of his failures in DC and will utilize him in the same attacking style as Philly if he chooses to come here.

He's the #1 guy I would want at MLB in this year's FA class.

[Sure-Oz]

Read and React isn't that Knobinson defense?

[CanadaKC]

I just cannot see the Eagles, one of the most stable and alluring franchises for players, to let a guy go who was the best player on their defence the last part of the season and in the playoffs.

[Mr. Laz]

He didn't give anyone a shot to sign him when he was released by the Redskins. He called straight to Andy Reid.

I doubt Trotter leaves Philly again.
and the source is still this friend you keep talking about???




money talks in the NFL, except for Jeremiah Trotter

[Valiant]

YES

DO THIS

so.. Surtain... Trotter... who else? I would take those additions :drool:


Hartwell and smoot..and i will be happy...

[CBob]

Trotter failed in Washington because he was playing read and react instead of react.

I'm sure the Chiefs are well aware of his failures in DC and will utilize him in the same attacking style as Philly if he chooses to come here.

He's the #1 guy I would want at MLB in this year's FA class.

And Washington brought in a guy who plays an attacking form of defense in Gregg Williams.....and they dropped trotter like a hot potato and got arguably better play from a converted OLB.

[craneref]

While I like Trotter's play, personally I would rther have Kendrell Bell, I think he will be the free agent signing of the year. I know that Bell has been hurt, but I think he comes out with a chip on his shoulder to prove to the NFL that he is reliable. GO CHIEFS.

[alanm]

Don't touch Trotter!!!!!!!!!

He was a bust in Washington, and unless he is used in the exact same way as he is in Philly, he would be a bust in KC.

He is the definition of a system player. You don't change your system to fit the players, you find players who fit your system.
If the Chiefs have a "System" on defense it's time to bury it and the guy who thought it up. :cuss: :mad:

[jspchief]

and the source is still this friend you keep talking about???




money talks in the NFL, except for Jeremiah Trotter

The source is the words out of his own mouth in an ESPN the Magazine article. Like I said earlier, that doesn't mean he won't change his tune when money starts knocking, but it would stray from what he said.

[Mr. Laz]

The source is the words out of his own mouth in an ESPN the Magazine article. Like I said earlier, that doesn't mean he won't change his tune when money starts knocking, but it would stray from what he said.
:shrug:



i was talking to TRR about his comment that Trotter refused to talk to anyone beside philly after he left washington.


i find that very hard to believe considering on money driven the NFL market is.

[htismaqe]

:shrug:



i was talking to TRR about his comment that Trotter refused to talk to anyone beside philly after he left washington.


i find that very hard to believe considering on money driven the NFL market is.

Trotter talked to a few teams last season. They weren't interested. His injury scared alot of people off.

[Logical]

Now to me this is the kind of player I would like to see us obtain, experienced, a natural leader, and talented.

I really don't find Law interesting after hearing he is still in a wheelchair. Likely his muscles are atrophying and it will take a long time to rebuild them. When he does he may have lost a step.

Kendrell Bell is just and injury waiting to happen.

Surtain I like but losing a 2nd rounder would like cause Carl to try to trade down to get either a 2nd or 3rd. I do not want to see us trade down this year.

[DenverChief]

Surtain I like but losing a 2nd rounder would like cause Carl to try to trade down to get either a 2nd or 3rd. I do not want to see us trade down this year.


DING DING DING...we have a weiner folks :p

[petegz28]

I will take Trotter over Law in a NY minute!