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KevB
04-22-2005, 04:44 PM
49ers - Alex Smith, Ultimately, they take the best player on their board

Dolphins - Ronnie Brown; They try to trade down...no takers

Vikings (from Browns) - Braylon Edwards; They give #7, their 2nd and next year's 2nd to get the best WR in the draft to replace Moss. Browns are willing to take less than "chart" value because they don't have a clue who to take at #3

Bears - Cedric Benson

Bucs - Caddy Williams

Titans - Pac Man Jones; I think they take Jones and his return ability

Browns - Aaron Rodgers; QBOTF, and QBs don't fall, despite all the speculation. Remember when we thought we might have a shot at Joey Heisman? He didn't fall either.

Cardinals - Antrel Rolle; giddy that Rolle fell to them

Skins - Carlos Rogers; replaces Smoot

Lions - Shawne Merriman; pass rushers are arguably the most coveted asset in a draft outside of QB

Cowboys - DeMarcus Ware; see explanation above

Chargers - Mike Williams; more weapons for Brees and LT

Texans - Alex Barron; more protection for David Carr, Brown's stock is going up with the belief he can play LT

Panthers - Troy Williamson; replaces Moose

Chiefs - Derrick Johnson; Party in the streets of KC

HolmeZz
04-22-2005, 04:58 PM
Not all that unrealistic. I think if Johnson falls past Dallas, he very well could be ours.

|Zach|
04-22-2005, 05:00 PM
Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

Eleazar
04-22-2005, 05:00 PM
I think this scenario is about as likely as the 9ers winning the super bowl next year, but I'd sure like it.

Wile_E_Coyote
04-22-2005, 05:02 PM
I don't follow the draft threads all that much. Has the question been asked: is Johnson Gun's type of player?

Hammock Parties
04-22-2005, 05:03 PM
Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

I've been mocked out for a ****ing month.

KevB
04-22-2005, 05:05 PM
I don't follow the draft threads all that much. Has the question been asked: is Johnson Gun's type of player?


I think that's a great question. It's hard to say, really. The knock on him is he runs around blocks and isn't very physical, so that doesn't sound like a Gun type of player. On the other hand, Gun said he wanted to add explosiveness to the D, and DJ does that. I think with our need at OLB, it would take about 5 seconds to run his name to the podium if he's there.

eazyb81
04-22-2005, 05:07 PM
I could see DJ falling to 14, but Carolina papers have already reported that John Fox told DJ that they guarantee they will draft him if he falls to 14. Their current WLB is Mark Fields, who is getting old and had cancer a year or two ago. No way DJ falls to us, and I would rather have Thomas Davis anyways.

KevB
04-22-2005, 05:07 PM
Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

I am/was in the same boat until I knew we had Surtain in the fold. That opens some things back up for the Chiefs IMO. Plus, I think the info. that comes out within 24 hours of the draft tends to have some merit, so a mock is a little easier to craft.

Outside of that....if you don't want to read more mocks, why the heck did you open the thread? :p

NaptownChief
04-22-2005, 05:08 PM
Johnson is taking a lot of crap in the media the passed few weeks over not being a good tackler and not taking on blockers...So it is certainly possible. Even after the Surtain trade I think they should still draft defense but now they can take best defensive player available. I would rank them like this:

1) Thomas Davis
2) Carlos Rogers
3) Derrick Johnson
4) Antrel Rolle
5) DeMarcus Ware
6) Shawn Merriman
7) Matt Roth

They come away with any of those guys, especially the top 4 they will be doing well IMHO.

Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:

Marcus Spears

KevB
04-22-2005, 05:08 PM
I could see DJ falling to 14, but Carolina papers have already reported that John Fox told DJ that they guarantee they will draft him if he falls to 14. Their current WLB is Mark Fields, who is getting old and had cancer a year or two ago. No way DJ falls to us, and I would rather have Thomas Davis anyways.

You'd rather have a player who will have to move positions as your 1st round "impact player"? [playing devil's advocate]

CanadaKC
04-22-2005, 05:09 PM
We'll know for sure after we see what Cleveland, Houston, and Detroit do. If they all pass on him...I'm certain he'll be there. Merriman or Ware looks like a no-brainer to the Cowboys. Cleveland can't pass up Braylon Edwards IMO...and Detroit needs a CB or a OT first....but a Julian Peterson LB clone may be too much for Mariucci to pass up...especially since Mariucci coached Peterson...and wants a similiar player.

eazyb81
04-22-2005, 05:11 PM
I want a player who a great playmaker and is known as the best tackler in this draft.....not a guy who moves well but goes for ankle tackles. DJ goes sideline to sideline well, but has horrible tackling technique, not exactly the kind of guy we need.

CanadaKC
04-22-2005, 05:12 PM
Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:

Marcus Spears...


there it is...the kiss of death...

:reaper:

1adam1238
04-22-2005, 05:16 PM
Even if he is available at 15, no guarantee we would take him either.

KevB
04-22-2005, 05:16 PM
I want a player who a great playmaker and is known as the best tackler in this draft.....not a guy who moves well but goes for ankle tackles. DJ goes sideline to sideline well, but has horrible tackling technique, not exactly the kind of guy we need.

Davis is a great tackler as a safety, but how will he hold up playing OLB at 230lbs.? I'm certainly not against taking the guy...I think he could be a great player. Also, while DJ isn't as physical as some would like, he's not a terrible tackler. The guy was a tackle machine at Texas, and he is a playmaker with his speed and instincts.

NaptownChief
04-22-2005, 05:17 PM
Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:Marcus Spears...


there it is...the kiss of death...

:reaper:


I truly fear that name being called in the 15 spot tomorrow...Spears isn't horrible, just a solid player that doesn't make big plays...Would be a solid pick for late 2nd, to early 3rd but a terrible pick in the middle of the 1st round IMO....Watched him play several times after hearing people talk him up in the 3 or 4 games I watched he never came close to making anything happen...He didn't get killed or anything but just very average. You don't want to spend a high 1st round pick on a guy that couldn't even dominate college O lineman.

htismaqe
04-22-2005, 05:17 PM
Johnson is taking a lot of crap in the media the passed few weeks over not being a good tackler and not taking on blockers...So it is certainly possible. Even after the Surtain trade I think they should still draft defense but now they can take best defensive player available. I would rank them like this:

1) Thomas Davis
2) Carlos Rogers
3) Derrick Johnson
4) Antrel Rolle
5) DeMarcus Ware
6) Shawn Merriman
7) Matt Roth

They come away with any of those guys, especially the top 4 they will be doing well IMHO.

Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:

Marcus Spears

I can't believe how much we agree on this stuff. I'm not high on Merriman, though, just because I don't think he fits our defense. He's a good player though.

And I'd add Erasmus James there next to Spears. :D

NaptownChief
04-22-2005, 05:19 PM
Davis is a great tackler as a safety, but how will he hold up playing OLB at 230lbs.? I'm certainly not against taking the guy...I think he could be a great player. Also, while DJ isn't as physical as some would like, he's not a terrible tackler. The guy was a tackle machine at Texas, and he is a playmaker with his speed and instincts.


He played LB at UGA for a year or two before moving to Safety so he isn't going to be starting from scratch by any means...He is a nasty player and would translate well at either position IMO...Can't have too many of those types.

KevB
04-22-2005, 05:20 PM
I truly fear that name being called in the 15 spot tomorrow...Spears isn't horrible, just a solid player that doesn't make big plays...Would be a solid pick for late 2nd, to early 3rd but a terrible pick in the middle of the 1st round IMO....Watched him play several times after hearing people talk him up in the 3 or 4 games I watched he never came close to making anything happen...He didn't get killed or anything but just very average. You don't want to spend a high 1st round pick on a guy that couldn't even dominate college O lineman.

I've heard the Chiefs front office state repeatedly they want an "impact" player at 15. As you said, Spears is solid, but not what I'd call an impact player. That's what I'm hanging my hat on, hoping I don't hear, "with the 15th pick, the Chiefs select Marcus Spears".

We should, however, be concerned if we trade back into the late teens/early twenties, because that very well could be Spears territory.

NaptownChief
04-22-2005, 05:22 PM
And I'd add Erasmus James there next to Spears. :D


Amazing....I really contemplated for a while as to whether I would add James to that vastly overrated list...Gawd, being a Big 10 guy like you, I watched him play several games and you want to talk about sloppy looking...James takes that bill easy. Watch James play about two games and then go watch Roth play the same position and you will swear Matt Roth must be Superman if you believe all the hype about James.

KevB
04-22-2005, 05:22 PM
He played LB at UGA for a year or two before moving to Safety so he isn't going to be starting from scratch by any means...He is a nasty player and would translate well at either position IMO...Can't have too many of those types.

Can't argue with any of that. Like I said, I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if the Chiefs selected the guy. I remember thinking this college football season while watching UGA that it would be mighty fine watching him roam the middle for the Chiefs, taking guy's heads off the way Woods used to do.

eazyb81
04-22-2005, 05:23 PM
Thomas Davis is the definition of an impact player. Read up on some of his bios if you haven't, the kid a playmaker and a nasty defender. We will be sorry if we pass on him just because of the little "S" by his name.

NaptownChief
04-22-2005, 05:23 PM
I've heard the Chiefs front office state repeatedly they want an "impact" player at 15. As you said, Spears is solid, but not what I'd call an impact player. That's what I'm hanging my hat on, hoping I don't hear, "with the 15th pick, the Chiefs select Marcus Spears".

We should, however, be concerned if we trade back into the late teens/early twenties, because that very well could be Spears territory.


Well the scary part is what Carl Peterson thinks is an impact player and what truly is an impact player is light years apart....And if Titus is watching, yes after 15 years of watching Peterson play the role of GM, I could do the job better. :p

htismaqe
04-22-2005, 05:24 PM
Amazing....I really contemplated for a while as to whether I would add James to that vastly overrated list...Gawd, being a Big 10 guy like you, I watched him play several games and you want to talk about sloppy looking...James takes that bill easy. Watch James play about two games and then go watch Roth play the same position and you will swear Matt Roth must be Superman if you believe all the hype about James.

Exactly.

And the difference between the two? Roth's EFFORT.

Skip Towne
04-22-2005, 05:28 PM
Not all that unrealistic. I think if Johnson falls past Dallas, he very well could be ours.
I thought Dallas picked at #20.

CanadaKC
04-22-2005, 05:29 PM
Well the scary part is what Carl Peterson thinks is an impact player and what truly is an impact player is light years apart....And if Titus is watching, yes after 15 years of watching Peterson play the role of GM, I could do the job better ...based on Carl's history...that theory scares the hell out of me tomorrow too.

Frankie
04-22-2005, 05:33 PM
Even if he is available at 15, no guarantee we would take him either.

I obviously am in a great minority here. But I'm not that excited about DJ.

Hammock Parties
04-22-2005, 05:36 PM
I thought Dallas picked at #20.

They have two no. 1's.

Calcountry
04-22-2005, 05:37 PM
I've been mocked out for a ****ing month.Patience young Padowan, be mindful of where you're at. Something else to watch, soon you will have.

CanadaKC
04-22-2005, 05:40 PM
I obviously am in a great minority here. But I'm not that excited about DJ ....I think part of that is all the hype about him....and it makes fans nervous...but he does everything very well and is reminiscent of Julian Peterson of the 49ers. Hype can have the opposite effect...but it can also be worthy. I think it's the latter.