OFFICIAL "Predict our 4th rounder" thread.

[Frankie]

We had 2 winners for the 3rd rd prediction. Here we go for the 4th rd forecast. Do your best you crazy draft experts. :)

[htismaqe]

Paul Jefferson, FB, Penn State

[NaptownChief]

We definitely need a real stinker to kill all this fun we are having and feel more like Chief fans on draft day...but maybe a Tiger can change their stripes and we get:

Jerome Mathis, Adrian McPherson or Elton Brown....

[ChiefsCountry]

Kyle Orton, QB Purdue or Brandon Browner, CB Oregon St

[Saulbadguy]

Antonio Perkins, CB, Oklahoma

[royr17]

I actually want QB Derek Anderson from Oregon State.

[Herzig]

I would love to get Adrian McPherson but I think we might take

Brandon Browner CB

[NaptownChief]

Everybody mentioned on this thread would be good choices IMO...I really like Derrick Anderson at QB also...Perkins would be excellent value as would Browner and Orton.

[BigChiefFan]

Antonio Perkins, CB, Oklahoma
Agreed. He's lightning fast and could be huge on special teams. I also like Browner.

[BigChiefFan]

I would love to get Adrian McPherson but I think we might take

Brandon Browner CB
If the Broncos don't draft him before us? LOL. ROFL

[Herzig]

We definitely need a real stinker to kill all this fun we are having and feel more like Chief fans on draft day...but maybe a Tiger can change their stripes and we get:

Jerome Mathis, Adrian McPherson or Elton Brown....

Not to change the subject...but what's in your golf bag these days Nap?

Me..

Cobra 400 SZ Aldila HM Tour 60 9*
Cobra 3 Wood SZ
Cobra 5 Wood SZ
Ping I/3 Blades black dot 4-PW
Cleveland Gunmetal 49* and 56* Wedges
Cleveland CG 52* Gap
Odyssey 2 Ball White Steel heel shaft 34 inch putter

Backup

Cleveland Launcher 460 10.5 Aldila NV
Adams GT 3 and 5 woods
Ping S59's Black dot 3-PW
Several other Cleveland Wedges of various lofts
About 5 other putters

[htismaqe]

No Orton.

I like Elton Brown because he was projected as a 2nd-rounder. He'd be a steal.

I also like Antajj Hawthorne for the same reason.

[BigChiefFan]

No Orton.

I like Elton Brown because he was projected as a 2nd-rounder. He'd be a steal.

I also like Antajj Hawthorne for the same reason.
I'd rather see one of our many secondary player lose their job and see us go CB. Browner looks like the prototypical corner for Gunther, he's very raw, but so is Bartee 5 years later. I think Browner is worthy of a 4th round selection. I also like Hawthorne as well. Perkins will make an impact on special teams, THIS year and could become a decent nickleback, especially learning from Surtain.

[Frankie]

Ray Willis (OT)

6-6, 320

Florida State

[SCTrojan]

Prediction? Bill Swanncutt, Oregon State DE. Great motor, gets to the passer, disruptive.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was one of his college teammates - Derek Anderson or Browner.

[royr17]

No Orton.

I like Elton Brown because he was projected as a 2nd-rounder. He'd be a steal.

I also like Antajj Hawthorne for the same reason.

well the year we drafted OL Darnell Alford he was projected as a 2nd rounder too.

[htismaqe]

I'd rather see one of our many secondary player lose their job and see us go CB. Browner looks like the prototypical corner for Gunther, he's very raw, but so is Bartee 5 years later. I think Browner is worthy of a 4th round selection. I also like Hawthorne as well. Perkins will make an impact on special teams, THIS year and could become a decent nickleback, especially learning from Surtain.

Browner to me is William Bartee II, or Julian Battle II. He's big and fast, but extremely raw.

A guy like Hawthorne or CJ Mosley has a better chance of getting on the field IMO, which means they have a better chance of making an impact, no matter how small.

I still think we need help at DT, I just didn't want to do it on the 1st-day. Now there's a guy that was a consensus 1st-day pick still sitting there - we should do it.

[NaptownChief]

Not to change the subject...but what's in your golf bag these days Nap?

Me..

Cobra 400 SZ Aldila HM Tour 60 9*
Cobra 3 Wood SZ
Cobra 5 Wood SZ
Ping I/3 Blades black dot 4-PW
Cleveland Gunmetal 49* and 56* Wedges
Cleveland CG 52* Gap
Odyssey 2 Ball White Steel heel shaft 34 inch putter

Backup

Cleveland Launcher 460 10.5 Aldila NV
Adams GT 3 and 5 woods
Ping S59's Black dot 3-PW
Several other Cleveland Wedges of various lofts
About 5 other putters



TM 360 TI 8.5* True Temper EI II
Orlimar Trimetal 13*
Hogan CFT #2
Mizuno MP-32 True Temper X-100 3-PW
Carbite Tour Insert Wedges 60*, 56*, 52*
White Steel 2 Ball Blade 34 inch


Switched to the MP-32's and really been playing well for a change.

[NaptownChief]

Prediction? Bill Swanncutt, Oregon State DE. Great motor, gets to the passer, disruptive.



Swanncutt really interest me...Heck of a player...His 40 time being of 5.00 is the only thing that concerns me slightly.

[SCTrojan]

Swanncutt really interest me...Heck of a player...His 40 time being of 5.00 is the only thing that concerns me slightly.

He was a force when they played USC this year. The announcers kept calling his name and I was screaming, "Somebody block this freaking guy."

[htismaqe]

well the year we drafted OL Darnell Alford he was projected as a 2nd rounder too.

That's true. But to be fair, Alford is a T and Brown is a G. Guards are generally safer picks anyway.

[Edubs]

Kyle Orton, QB Purdue or Brandon Browner, CB Oregon St


What about the Harvard QB?

[BigChiefFan]

Swanncutt really interest me...Heck of a player...His 40 time being of 5.00 is the only thing that concerns me slightly.
I like Swancutt as well. He also looked very good in the Senior Bowl.

[Frankie]

Antonio Perkins, CB, Oklahoma

That sounds good to me too. Though he is an Oklahoma DB.

[Frankie]

Ray Willis (OT)

6-6, 320

Florida State

Any comments on this guy from our bb draft gurus?

[NaptownChief]

Michael Munoz (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8642)
Sean Considine (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8276)
Michael Boley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8602)
Derek Anderson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8751)
Marion Barber III (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9113)(Good Value but certainly not a need)
Ciatrick Fason (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9079)(Same as Barber comment)
Antonio Perkins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8132)
Fred Gibson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8926)
Jerome Mathis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8974)(My 1st choice)
Adrian McPherson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9112)
Craphonso Thorpe (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8925)
Elton Brown (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8522)
Chris Canty (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8209)
Brandon Browner (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9050)
Ernest Shazor (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=9056)(has the size to easily convert to LB'er and we know that always works out well)
Ryan Claridge (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8603)
Robert McCune (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8447)



Those are all guys I would be very happy with after a quick scan of what is left out there.

[NaptownChief]

Any comments on this guy from our bb draft gurus?


Ray Willis
OT (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/position?id=46) | (6'5http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/nfl/trans/5_8.gif", 327, 5.3) | FLORIDA STATE (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/school?id=2174)

Scouts Grade: 60

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Strengths: Is a prototypical right tackle prospect with very good size and strength. Is at his best as a run blocker in the phone booth. Has good initial quickness for his size. Shows some initial power and the ability to knock defenders back with his hand punch. He takes solid angles and typically does a good job of getting in position in the running game. He is very strong in his upper body and shows the ability finish most defenders off once he has locked on. His effort is excellent. He will do a great job of driving his legs and working to finish. He also is adept at cutting defenders in space. He isn't as effective in pass pro, but he isn't necessarily a liability, either. He has adequate quickness in his set. Is aggressive and likes to attack before DE's have a chance to take him wide. He plays with good balance and leverage. Also shows solid hand-placement and a powerful punch. Is a leader, a high-character player/person, and a hard worker on and off the field.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal athleticism. Is not nearly as effective in the running game when forced to block downfield. He doesn't run very well and takes too long to get to the second level. He is adequate in tight spaces in pass pro, but if you can get him wide and force him back on his heels, he lacks ideal COD skills. He will have trouble redirecting back inside versus the double move and can really look stiff against top-flight edge rushers.

Overall: Willis redshirted in 2000 and played as a reserve "tight" tackle behind Brett Williams from 2001-'02 before taking over as a fulltime starter at the position in 2003. Willis remained the Seminoles fulltime starter as a senior in 2004 and finished with 36 total starts during his collegiate career. Willis is a right tackle prospect with good size, strength and toughness. Willis will slip on draft day due to his athletic limitations, but he could turn out to be a good value for the team that takes a chance on him early on Day 2. If Willis continues to improve his feet and gets a chance to prove himself in the NFL he has enough size, strength, toughness and character to emerge as a starting right tackle in the right scheme. If nothing else, Willis has enough physical tools and versatility to backup the ROT and both OG positions, and he's the type of hard-worker and disciplined player you want around the locker room and practice field.

* Player biographies are provided by Scouts Inc. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=ScoutsInc)

[NaptownChief]

Swancutt belongs on my list also.

[jspchief]

Willis' weaknesses makes him sound like he's not a good fit for the Chiefs. We need athletic guys that can get downfield when run blocking, and that's his weak point. He just doesn't seem to fit our running game.

[Frankie]

Ray Willis
Strengths: Is a prototypical right tackle prospect with very good size and strength.

Yikes!... RT. I didn't catch that. I doubt we will pick him now. So I'll cast my lot with Saul and change my prediction to CB Antonio Perkins. Disregard my previous prediction, boys and girls.

[DTLB58]

Same as the 3rd round, Jerome Mathis-WR-Hampton

[bringbackmarty]

I think they will take, Doctah Jawn the night trippuh.

[Archie Bunker]

Shazor

[CosmicPal]

Those are all guys I would be very happy with after a quick scan of what is left out there.

Where do you find who's still available?

[SCTrojan]

Where do you find who's still available?

ESPN has a decent site where you can see who's gone and who's left, by position.

Here's a link:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/position?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfldraft%2Fdraft05%2Ftracker%2Fposition

[Old Dog]

My guess is Perkins or Canty. I would be pleased with either one. Honestly, they could pick Phobia and I'm still happy with this draft

[LamarJr]

ChiefsCountry says........

Kyle Orton, QB Purdue or Brandon Browner, CB Oregon St

so let it be written, so let it be done! :clap:

[KevB]

Give me this guy....tough to find a big D-Lineman who could be an impact player in the 4th round:

Chris Canty
DE | (6'7", 286, 4.93) | VIRGINIA

Scouts Grade: 88

Flags: (C: CHARACTER) Problems on and off the field(I: INJURY) Coming off injury that may affect play
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Strengths: Has an exceptional combination of size, strength and athleticism. Was a playmaker as a 3-4 DE in college. Has a lot of versatility as a prospect that projects as being able to play inside and outside in the NFL. He is strong and powerful. Has long arms and does an excellent job with his hands. Will consistently keep separation, find the football and pursue. He disengages quickly and pursues hard to the football. Is a very reliable tackler for such a big player. He lacks ideal speed but is quicker than fast. Is very fluid and relentless as a pass rusher when he gets into the backfield. He also bats down a lot of passes at the LOS. His anticipation skills are good and he has adequate to good initial quickness for an interior player. He has excellent run/pass recognition skills. Is a disciplined player that knows his assignments and executes at an extremely high level.

Weaknesses: Plays too high at times and lets blockers get into his body. Has trouble splitting the double-team and gets frustrated by it. Lacks ideal top-end speed. He lacks the explosive first step of a productive NFL edge rusher. He has decent interior penetrating skills and shows a little bit, but not great closing burst. He lacks acceleration to consistently turn the corner as an edge rusher in the NFL and might be best suited to play inside on obvious passing downs.

Overall: Injuries really limited Canty's potential as a collegiate player and will wind up costing him dearly on draft day. He missed time early in his career because of shoulder problems and he also blew out his knee four games into his senior season. However, when Canty was healthy as a fulltime starter in 2003 and for the first four games of the 2004 season he was one of the most impressive end prospects in this class. Canty finished his junior season with 104 total tackles, 11 tackles for loss and four sacks. He also led his team with 30 total tackles, including seven TFL and one sack after just four games as a senior prior to his knee injury. Canty also did not help his cause when he suffered an eye injury during a bar brawl in Scottsdale, AZ, where he was training during the post-season. He showed up late for the combine because he was unable to travel via airplane and, as of the date of this report (March 19, 2005), he had not yet worked out in Charlottesville. Canty has terrific size, agility and power when healthy. He also has the potential to play either inside or outside in a 4-3 and/or 3-4 scheme at the next level. However, the former first round prospect will slip on draft day due to his inability to stay healthy and recent concerns regarding his character. If Canty can stay healthy and out of trouble he has a chance to become an impact starter in the NFL. But he has too many alerts right now to consider paying him first round money.

[Ultra Peanut]

Who I want: Freddie Gibson, Craphonso Thorpe, Adrian McPherson, Ernest Shazor, Stefan LeFors, Bill Swancutt... any would be pretty sweet.

Who we'll get: I dunno... could go a lot of different ways.

Anttaj Hawthorne?

[Ultra Peanut]

Wow, Canty's still out there?

[KevB]

Wow, Canty's still out there?

Yes, but hopefully only until pick 15.

[Skip Towne]

Is Sproles still out there?

[jspchief]

I really like Shazor. He hits like a train and has a good nose for the ball. I think he'd be a great ST player, that could eventually become a LB if he added bulk.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure Safety is where we'll go. I think Shazor would be an upgrade over most of the depth guys we have on the roster.

[Ultra Peanut]

Boley would also be pretty nice.

[chiefmachine]

Best wideout available? Are we set at widereciever?

[ChiefRick]

Rondell Williams,WR, Tulane

[ChiefRick]

Roydell Williams, not Rondell. Sorry.

[ChiefRick]

I like Roydell Williams,WR,Tulane

[Ultra Peanut]

I've never been impressed by Williams, but then, that may be because Memphis has made a habit of destroying Tulane the past few years.

[CosmicPal]

Roydell Williams

Or

Fred Gibson

or

Brandon Browner

or

Chris Canty

or

Craphanso Thorpe

or

Darren Sproles

or

Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Harvard

[chiefscafan]

Hmm don't know much about Roydell I don't think the chiefs do it but i would take qb of the future Adrian Mcpherson.

[Frankie]

Roydell Williams

Or

Fred Gibson

or

Brandon Browner

or

Chris Canty

or

Craphanso Thorpe

or

Darren Sproles

or

Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Harvard


Sorry Cosmic. Your large-net prediction especially after many predicted players are gone does not get you a win.

No winners here. 5th rd predictions coming up.