Barry Bonds immobilized, on 24 hr I.V. due to serious infection

[tk13]

This could be the beginning of the end of his career...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2063397&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

By Jayson Stark
ESPN.com

DENVER -- They are into Week 7 of life without Barry. And the San Francisco Giants still have no answer to the question that won't go away:

Bonds has been advised to even stay off crutches at this time.
When is Barry Bonds coming back?

There is no answer because Bonds, according to a number of sources, is attached to an I.V. full of antibiotics 24 hours a day -- with no end to that ordeal in sight.

There is no answer because Bonds is no longer dealing with the aftermath of "just" a baseball injury or "just" a knee operation. He is dealing with a potentially serious post-operative infection that has him essentially immobilized for the foreseeable future.

So there is no timeline for Bonds' rehab, because right now, there is no rehab. Bonds' case is in the hands of Dr. Robert Armstrong, an infectious disease specialist. And that won't change until Dr. Armstrong is certain the infection is completely absent.

That could be a matter of days, but it also could be a matter of weeks. Infections to the knee are particularly precarious -- because of the risk of infection to the bone itself -- and it's believed that Bonds' medical team plans to be extra cautious before deciding to clear him to resume his rehab.

By then, however, Bonds might be so weakened by several weeks of nearly total immobility that his rehab almost certainly will be significantly longer than the normal four-to-six-week schedule that faces most patients following arthroscopic knee surgery.

At this point, it's believed Bonds is even being discouraged from hobbling around on crutches, as he did earlier this month in a visit to SBC Park, because that puts more pressure on his knee than doctors would prefer.

So when is Bonds coming back? It isn't even worth guessing, because there is literally no one who knows the answer.

[Hammock Parties]

Karma.

[Bowser]

Staph infection?

[tk13]

Staph infection?
Yeah I guess so, they've spent the last 15 minutes on ESPN talking about it. Talked to Dale Murphy who had the same thing happen to him, said once that infection gets in your knee and tissues and cartilage, it can really finish you off. I guess Murphy wasn't close to the same player after his infection.

[Bowser]

Yeah I guess so, they've spent the last 15 minutes on ESPN talking about it. Talked to Dale Murphy who had the same thing happen to him, said once that infection gets in your knee and tissues and cartilage, it can really finish you off. I guess Murphy wasn't close to the same player after his infection.

I remember Greg Lloyd, the Steeler linebacker, had one at the end of his career. IIRC, it laid him up the better part of a year.

They are quite dangerous, from what I hear. Hopefully, they got a handle on it, for Bonds' sake. Amputation might be an option IF it is a staph infection, and IF they didn't treat it quickly enough.

[chief52]

Maybe Bonds should have listened to the Giants rather than selecting his own doctor who has been on probation in California. Maybe no correlation, but it makes one wonder.


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/0505bondsnew0505.html


Bonds ignored the advice of Giants officials who recommended that Gary Fanton, their orthopedist and a nationally recognized surgeon who is co-director of the Sports Medicine Program at Stanford University, operate on his knee.

[eazyb81]

awww, poor guy, I really feel for him.....it couldn't have happened to a better guy.




ROFL

[VonneMarie]

That's gotta suck for Bonds...



Oh, well.

[Frazod]

Whatever it takes to keep that vile steroid-sucking douche from breaking Aaron's record.

[Ultra Peanut]

Sucks for him. I hope he gets better, comes back, and breaks the record.

I like being contrary, and I want to see history, even if everyone else hates him.

[jspchief]

The Karma police seem to be catching up on their workload. Winslow and Bonds. Anyone wanna start a death pool on Terrell Owens?

[BIG_DADDY]

Ya all want him dead anyway, this must be great news.

[KCChiefsMan]

yup, thats what happens to steroid users, when you're on the juice your immune system declines and your body can't fight off an infection as quickly and it gets worse

[BIG_DADDY]

yup, thats what happens to steroid users, when you're on the juice your immune system declines and your body can't fight off an infection as quickly and it gets worse

You my man are a genuine real deal ****ing moron that I guarantee can't back up a single thing you just wrote. Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass long enough to do any due diligence on a subject before you issue a moronic unfounded opinion like that.

[BIG_DADDY]

The power of the media simply amazes and scares me. This moron is only the most recent example.

[Ultra Peanut]

I'm shocked it took you eight minutes to see that, BD. Usually you're smacking around people who say stuff like that in two or three minutes, at most. :D

[tk13]

yup, thats what happens to steroid users, when you're on the juice your immune system declines and your body can't fight off an infection as quickly and it gets worse
It's a staph infection, they didn't sterlize properly during surgery, it has nothing to do with steroids.

[BIG_DADDY]

I'm shocked it took you eight minutes to see that, BD. Usually you're smacking around people who say stuff like that in two or three minutes, at most. :D

ROFL It just amazes me when people talk completely out of their ass. Make the not fair comparison, talk about an unfair playing field maybe. Don't talk to me about the medical effects when you don't even have a clue though. It scares me that people like this can actually vote. His BB name should be Sheeple.

[BIG_DADDY]

It's a staph infection, they didn't sterlize properly during surgery, it has nothing to do with steroids.

Thank You!!!

[Knob]

Hmmmm............

Some steroid supplements such as testosterone can provide an improved immune system state, making it easier to recover and ward off viral illnesses. The body then becomes somewhat dependent on the steroid supplementation and must be rejuvenated after the supplementation has been discontinued. A person in this position should do his best not to become over tired and rundown. This will allow the immune system to become self-reliant again and therefore effective. Often times when a person discontinues their steroid cycle, they allow themselves to become tired and rundown leading to a tendency to become infected with a viral illness, colds, and sometimes pneumonia.


Maybe that is what KCChiefsMan is getting at. Also BD it sounds like you need to chill on the juice man, you really jumped his sh*t quick. LOL
:harumph:

[BIG_DADDY]

Hmmmm............

Some steroid supplements such as testosterone can provide an improved immune system state, making it easier to recover and ward off viral illnesses. The body then becomes somewhat dependent on the steroid supplementation and must be rejuvenated after the supplementation has been discontinued. A person in this position should do his best not to become over tired and rundown. This will allow the immune system to become self-reliant again and therefore effective. Often times when a person discontinues their steroid cycle, they allow themselves to become tired and rundown leading to a tendency to become infected with a viral illness, colds, and sometimes pneumonia.


Maybe that is what KCChiefsMan is getting at. Also BD it sounds like you need to chill on the juice man, you really jumped his sh*t quick. LOL
:harumph:

Where are you getting any of this stuff from? Yea high testosterone levels increases your bodies ability to do many things. The very small window inbetween coming off your cycle and kicking your balls back in may provide for a brief opportunity for the immunity system to be less than it would have been on it's own but I have yet to see a study that says that is the case. If you have something I should look at I would love and appreciate seeing it. That being said Barry has been under the gun for a very long time now making even the suggestion completely and utterly ridiculous. Someone tell Albert Beckels about the side effects of steroid use when cycled correctly and were talking about comparing beer to white lightning when compared to Barry.

[KCChiefsMan]

You my man are a genuine real deal ****ing moron that I guarantee can't back up a single thing you just wrote. Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass long enough to do any due diligence on a subject before you issue a moronic unfounded opinion like that.


well F-You. You are obviously the stupid one. I did get my degree in Health Sports and Excercise Sciences (sports management emphasis)

well if you need a little backup (even though someone who is educated in this field, like I am, wouldn't need it), here you go....now sit down and put your foot in your stupid mouth:

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/vaccination/immune-contra.asp

What are some illnesses that can weaken the immune system?

HIV/AIDS
Cancer
Leukemia
Lymphoma
Multiple myeloma
Primary Immune Deficiency disorders (such as Common Variable Immune Deficiency)
Humoral (antibody) immunity problems (such as agammaglobulinemia or lack of normal antibodies)
Some people with severe autoimmune diseases such as systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) may have significant immune system suppression

oh here's another one, dumbass
http://www.anabolicsmall.com/roidb7a.htm
High doses of anabolic steroids reduce the amounts of immune
globulin A, G, and M in the blood.(1-4)
These proteins, known medically as IgA, IgG, and IgM, are part of
the body's humoral immune system. These antibodies that circulate
in the bloodstream and attack invading bacteria. Having fewer of
them may make a person more likely to develop a serious infection.

need some more backup? this is the last one
http://www.intense-training.com/archive/t-273.html
Small doses of winstrol, and deca, have been shown to have no effect on the cellular immunity, but still improves humoral immunity. It is also know that many AAS including deca have been shown to be antiinflammatory. Although I believe that deca accomplishes this through a different function as compared to the rest. This is greatly because cellular immunity is what causes inflammation.

Although I can not explain why short ester testosterones seem to cause mild flu like symptoms, I greatly assume that it has something to do with the suppression on cellular immunity. I came across one study that concluded shorter acting esters of testosterone have a greater effect on the suppression of cellular immunity.

[KCChiefsMan]

Hmmmm............




Maybe that is what KCChiefsMan is getting at. Also BD it sounds like you need to chill on the juice man, you really jumped his sh*t quick. LOL
:harumph:


I have my BSE, since I'm a sports science major, I had to take a ton of classes like Exercise Physiology, Nutrition, Biomechanics, Care and Prevention of Athletic Injuries , Drugs in Society, there are plenty other sports-related classes I've taken that I can't think of right now.

The past couple of years all of my professors in this department had a lot to say about the steroid issue and baseball and we went over this kind of stuff a lot

[KCChiefsMan]

Where are you getting any of this stuff from? Yea high testosterone levels increases your bodies ability to do many things. The very small window inbetween coming off your cycle and kicking your balls back in may provide for a brief opportunity for the immunity system to be less than it would have been on it's own but I have yet to see a study that says that is the case. If you have something I should look at I would love and appreciate seeing it. That being said Barry has been under the gun for a very long time now making even the suggestion completely and utterly ridiculous. Someone tell Albert Beckels about the side effects of steroid use when cycled correctly and were talking about comparing beer to white lightning when compared to Barry.


one of the major thing with steroid-related injuries are INFECTIONS.

[KCChiefsMan]

oops, on my long post I copied the wrong part for the first article, here it is:

What else could cause a weakened immune system?
Immunosuppressive medications or other treatments such as:

High-dose oral or intravenous steroid therapy for 2 weeks or longer within the past month. (For example, with prednisone, =2mg/kg per day for 2 weeks or longer within the past month is considered immunosuppressive.)
Cancer chemotherapy agents within the past 3 months
Radiation therapy within the past 3 months.
Organ or bone marrow transplant
Medications that suppress the immune system, including steroids, some drugs for autoimmune disease, or drugs taken in association with an organ or bone marrow transplant (consult your health care provider)

[KCChiefsMan]

I guess nobody can continue bashing me......is it hard to type with your foot in your mouth or something?

[tk13]

I wasn't bashing you, relax there champ. It's a staph infection. Staph is everywhere, it's not like he got some rare disease. If you can prove that he is using steroids and that had a direct effect on his immune system allowing him to get a staph infection, be my guest, but you are making a leap because you, me, or anybody can get a staph infection if somebody isn't sterlized properly. I hate it when people just jump out and make assumptions and report it like it's hard fact like that.

[KCChiefsMan]

I wasn't bashing you, relax there champ. It's a staph infection. Staph is everywhere, it's not like he got some rare disease. If you can prove that he is using steroids and that had a direct effect on his immune system allowing him to get a staph infection, be my guest, but you are making a leap because you, me, or anybody can get a staph infection if somebody isn't sterlized properly. I hate it when people just jump out and make assumptions and report it like it's hard fact like that.


no, you were not bashing me. Of course I can't prove that he did steroids, I just know that is an issue with steroid users. Another big steroid related injury are your tendons, ligaments, As the size of the muscle grows, the tendons and ligaments do not, which can result in tendon inflammation, ligament inflammation, muscle pulls, and muscle tears .....so maybe that has something to do with it too with Bonds. But then again, I can't prove that he did steroids, but I believe he did

[Knob]

I have a degree in nursing and while in school I read many things on this issue particularly. Plus at work I see the same sh#t all the time.


Now what is funny is how BD just started barking sh#t out. KCman was not even being a dick at first. Just classless BD.

[RedDread]

[Jason Whitlock] The MLB has poisoned Bonds in an effort to stop him from gaining the homerun record. It's all racism stemming from Bud Selig...Never mind the fact that Hank Aaron, a black man, holds the record. Those were different times. [/Jason Whitlock]

[Amnorix]

This could be the beginning of the end of his career...



if he's done and doesn't pass Ruth, much less Aaron, then I may need to start believing in the existence of God.

:D :D

[jspchief]

Heh. Big Daddy got owned.

I'm sure he'll come back with a "my buddy who is a world class body builder" story. Or maybe "so and so the famous such and such did this" story. He's an expert of all things via his relationship to the professional version of whatever subject he rants about.

[Eleazar]

There is a probability that steroid use would make someone more suceptible to staph infection, but this by no means is the smoking gun for his steroid use.

I wonder now if he'll ever be able to come back. Certainly because of the steroids most of us expected his body to start breaking down soon a la McGwire, Caminiti, etc etc. This certianly won't help...

[Mr. Laz]

didn't read entire thread...


they just had some former baseball player on Espn that had a similar infection problem. He didn't make it sound very favorable for Bonds.


he made it sound like there is a better chance that Bonds career is over completely than it is him returning. Said the infection does so much damage to the soft tissue in the knee that it makes the damage permanent even if they get rid of the infection now.


my grandmother has infection in her hip and the doctors say she is on antibiotic for the rest of her life. :(

[Goapics1]

did read entire thread...


they just had some former baseball player on Espn that had a similar infection problem. He didn't make it sound very favorable for Bonds.


he made it sound like there is a better chance that Bonds career is over completely than it is him returning. Said the infection does so much damage to the soft tissue in the knee that it makes the damage permanent even if they get rid of the infection now.


my grandmother has infection in her hip and the doctors say she is on antibiotic for the rest of her life. :(

Laz, I believe it was Dale Murphy you are referring to on ESPN.

[BIG_DADDY]

well F-You. You are obviously the stupid one. I did get my degree in Health Sports and Excercise Sciences (sports management emphasis)

well if you need a little backup (even though someone who is educated in this field, like I am, wouldn't need it), here you go....now sit down and put your foot in your stupid mouth:

http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/vaccination/immune-contra.asp

What are some illnesses that can weaken the immune system?

HIV/AIDS
Cancer
Leukemia
Lymphoma
Multiple myeloma
Primary Immune Deficiency disorders (such as Common Variable Immune Deficiency)
Humoral (antibody) immunity problems (such as agammaglobulinemia or lack of normal antibodies)
Some people with severe autoimmune diseases such as systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) may have significant immune system suppression

oh here's another one, dumbass
http://www.anabolicsmall.com/roidb7a.htm
High doses of anabolic steroids reduce the amounts of immune
globulin A, G, and M in the blood.(1-4)
These proteins, known medically as IgA, IgG, and IgM, are part of
the body's humoral immune system. These antibodies that circulate
in the bloodstream and attack invading bacteria. Having fewer of
them may make a person more likely to develop a serious infection.

need some more backup? this is the last one
http://www.intense-training.com/archive/t-273.html
Small doses of winstrol, and deca, have been shown to have no effect on the cellular immunity, but still improves humoral immunity. It is also know that many AAS including deca have been shown to be antiinflammatory. Although I believe that deca accomplishes this through a different function as compared to the rest. This is greatly because cellular immunity is what causes inflammation.

Although I can not explain why short ester testosterones seem to cause mild flu like symptoms, I greatly assume that it has something to do with the suppression on cellular immunity. I came across one study that concluded shorter acting esters of testosterone have a greater effect on the suppression of cellular immunity.

If your background is correct you are certainly book read. My background comes from almost 20 years in the health club industry when I was hired at American Fitness by what was the current Mr. Florida Steve Hilliard. Over the years I have had a heavy exposure to steroids including taking them myself frequently between the age of 20 – 30. I have seen steroids take a toll on many people’s lives however they were always the people who never cycled correctly and were taking massive doses. Never have I seen people who cycled correctly have a higher tendency to get sick or have tumors MOF I almost never get sick back then or now at 42. Being out of the industry now I try and keep up on the subject by reading what many of the independent labs are writing which is printed in the back of Muscular Development magazine. Although I will certainly not write off the possibility of health related issues to those that cycle correctly I have yet to really see them or any good documentation that supports that. MOF the anti-aging clinics seem to be running along just fine in Europe. If there were real issues I am sure they would get their ass sued off. Most of this seems like a witch hunt to me like our government saying it makes people commit suicide, give me a freakin break. With my exposure I should have seen a whole bunch of people killing themselves or at least felt depressed when I was on it, never the case. Lets break this down into 2 areas, first what you posted and second how it relates to Barry Bonds which is what we are really talking about.

[BIG_DADDY]

Lets take a look at your evidence, article one:

“High-dose oral or intravenous steroid therapy for 2 weeks or longer within the past month. (For example, with prednisone, =2mg/kg per day for 2 weeks or longer within the past month is considered immunosuppressive.)”

First of all I have prednisone is not used as a performance enhancing steroid making this post completely irrelevant. When I look it up it says what is is used for is:

“It relieves inflammation (swelling, heat, redness, and pain) and is used to treat certain forms of arthritis; skin, blood, kidney, eye, thyroid, and intestinal disorders (e.g., colitis); severe allergies; and asthma”

Your 2nd sight is interesting considering it is a sight specifically designed to sell steroid alternatives and it’s references look like the who’s who of steroid witch hunting, now lets look at the evidence once again.

“High doses of anabolic steroids reduce the amounts of immune
globulin A, G, and M in the blood.(1-4)
These proteins, known medically as IgA, IgG, and IgM, are part of
the body's humoral immune system. These antibodies that circulate
in the bloodstream and attack invading bacteria. Having fewer of
them may make a person more likely to develop a serious infection.”

I have never heard of this and I keep up on the subject pretty well. I do notice that it says “high doses”. Most of the research coming out of independent labs is much more specific telling you exactly what was taken and exactly how you are effected.

“Steroid injection can carry many kinds of bacteria and viruses
past the protective skin and into the blood, causing infection.
The use of syringes without strict sanitary and sterile conditions
can transmit infectious hepatitis, a life-threatening disease.
Needle-sharing can lead to AIDS and other blood-borne
diseases.(5) There are two documented cases of AIDS
transmission traced to needle-sharing in the gym.(6,7)”

Jesus Christ how skewed can you get? Yea and if I stick some cyanide in my syringe with my testosterone steroids just might kill me too. As far as these killer cells go I will just say that once again I have never heard of these killer cells or have I seen people who have used steroids a huge portion of their life ever have tumors. This is all assuming they are cycling correctly. I have seen people who abuse steroids badly have all kinds of problems.


In your last piece I am not exactly sure why your taking me to an aids sight to back up your position. Even the guy who wrote the article says he suspects which means he has no real proof.

[KCChiefsMan]

well I didn't feel like doing an hours worth of research finding the perfect documents to back up my statement. I had learned that in college, no that may not be the case with Barry Bonds. But it has been known to happen to chronic steroid users. You didn't have to come at me the way you did you know

[BIG_DADDY]

Lastly let's examine how this relates to Barry Bonds because validating that was the entire point right? Even if we make the assumption that steroids can effect your immunity system the effects of that would most likely be limited to the first weeks following a cycle. If we make a massive assumption we would say it is limited to when you are on the cycle and immediatly following it. None of what you posted insinuates in any way that it causes long term immunity issues and they have been on Barry for a very long time now. Combine that with the fact that they already are saying the infection was a result of the surgery to say otherwise and blame it on steroid use is simply assinine.

[chiefs4me]

I could care less about the asshole...my opinion only and I am not gonna defend it...but he is a cheater and deserves what he gets.

[KCChiefsMan]

I can now see why you are so defensive about this.

[BIG_DADDY]

well I didn't feel like doing an hours worth of research finding the perfect documents to back up my statement. I had learned that in college, no that may not be the case with Barry Bonds. But it has been known to happen to chronic steroid users. You didn't have to come at me the way you did you know

I wasn't trying to come at you any way I am just tired of the witch hunt that is now the topic of steroids. There is almost nothing they won't blame it for now. I do agree that chronic use of steroids cycled incorrectly can cause many issues by the way. On that we both agree.

[BIG_DADDY]

Heh. Big Daddy got owned.

I'm sure he'll come back with a "my buddy who is a world class body builder" story. Or maybe "so and so the famous such and such did this" story. He's an expert of all things via his relationship to the professional version of whatever subject he rants about.

Going to bed now means I'm owned. ROFL Anybody want a stalker?

[Rain Man]

The Giants are playing here in Denver, and there didn't appear to be a whole lot of sympathy for "Barry my heart at wounded knee" Bonds. Some sports guy asked about him, and one of the players (don't recall the name) went off on a lecture about "we're a team and we're here to play and we don't care about people who aren't on the team and you should really stop treating the team like it's one player who isn't even here." It was winceworthy.

[chiefs4me]

Going to bed now means I'm owned. ROFL Anybody want a stalker?





ROFL........sure...I will take yours if you take mine.

[duncan_idaho]

Is it wrong that I can barely contain my glee?

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Have a terrible life, Barry.

[KCChiefsMan]

You my man are a genuine real deal ****ing moron that I guarantee can't back up a single thing you just wrote. Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass long enough to do any due diligence on a subject before you issue a moronic unfounded opinion like that.


this had me under the impression that you thought I was moronic for thinking such a thing is even possible for anybody.

[Knob]

Lets all push this under the bridge. Feel the love people. ROFL

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
You my man are a genuine real deal ****ing moron that I guarantee can't back up a single thing you just wrote. Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass long enough to do any due diligence on a subject before you issue a moronic unfounded opinion like that.
this had me under the impression that you thought I was moronic for thinking such a thing is even possible for anybody.

ouch ROFL

[Duck Dog]

I don't know if Bonds used steroids or not...don't care. But what I do know is, he's a grade A azzhole and I don't pitty him one bit.

[BIG_DADDY]

I can now see why you are so defensive about this.

this had me under the impression that you thought I was moronic for thinking such a thing is even possible for anybody.


What amazes me is the perception of the average person has about real athletes. They are going to take anything they can and do whatever they have to in order to gain a competetive edge. This is the rule, not the exception to the rule. Whether we are talking about Barry Bonds, Romanowski or whoever. These guys are not the dark horses they are made out to be they are just another horse that's targeted because of their success. A prime example of that was Romanowski coming out recently saying he took whatever he could until they detected it. The guy is being brutally honest about what it's like to be a professional athlete for the most part unlike many others like McGwire who are only interested in salvaging their legacy. What does it get him though, more scrutiny. How can McGwire sit there and start crying about a kid who committed suicide because of steroids use knowing damn well what he should do is suggest the kid was ****ed up to begin with. I told everyone on this BB when this steroid issue started that this wasn't about our kids, it was a money grab on a huge scale and this was only the beginning. That got me pelted with the regular lines "you're paranoid, the man's out to get ya, their looking in your back window, there is black helicopters over your house." Now much later the government is involved all major sports. We are seeing many great products banned like the the 1-AD by ergopharm which can really help out an old poop like me. We are seeing it is just the beginning of product legislation as they will now consider outlawing many other simple products like creatine.

If you wanted a little insight on where my anger is rooted there you go. I was out of line coming off so harsh and apologize. Based upon everything I have now posted all I can ask is that you try and understand.

[Rain Man]

I don't know if Bonds used steroids or not...


He did, but it was a complete accident. According to him, he was just minding his own business, and people rubbed steroids onto him without his knowledge.

[Demonpenz]

I've been to a gym. I know that this is directly related to steriods 100%. So if you don't believe me go to snopes.com

[Demonpenz]

that was some good reads by BD and chiefsman good job guys

[whoman69]

While I certainly did not want Bonds to break the record, I can't believe there are some taking glee that in his current predicament. It's not just career threatening, its life threatening.

[BIG_DADDY]

that was some good reads by BD and chiefsman good job guys

The one thing I will say is I noticed I required a lot more sleep when I was on a cycle. I had to go from 6-7 hours to at least 9 for me to feel rested. When I was on a cycle my diet is like perfect as well. I have always attributed that to training very hard during that period of time as I was never sick or had any other symptom that would relate to the immunity system like say a cold sore.

[Duck Dog]

What amazes me is the perception of the average person has about real athletes.


I hear what you're saying.

Could it be that average Joe will never cut the pro athlete a break because the pro makes an enormous amount of money compared to Joe?

[jspchief]

I hear what you're saying.

Could it be that average Joe will never cut the pro athlete a break because the pro makes an enormous amount of money compared to Joe?Factor in that guys like Bonds or Romo are world class assholes, and it's not a big mystery why people hate them.

[RaiderCorporate]

This could be the beginning of the end of his career...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2063397&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

By Jayson Stark
ESPN.com

DENVER -- They are into Week 7 of life without Barry. And the San Francisco Giants still have no answer to the question that won't go away:

Bonds has been advised to even stay off crutches at this time.
When is Barry Bonds coming back?

There is no answer because Bonds, according to a number of sources, is attached to an I.V. full of antibiotics 24 hours a day -- with no end to that ordeal in sight.

There is no answer because Bonds is no longer dealing with the aftermath of "just" a baseball injury or "just" a knee operation. He is dealing with a potentially serious post-operative infection that has him essentially immobilized for the foreseeable future.

So there is no timeline for Bonds' rehab, because right now, there is no rehab. Bonds' case is in the hands of Dr. Robert Armstrong, an infectious disease specialist. And that won't change until Dr. Armstrong is certain the infection is completely absent.

That could be a matter of days, but it also could be a matter of weeks. Infections to the knee are particularly precarious -- because of the risk of infection to the bone itself -- and it's believed that Bonds' medical team plans to be extra cautious before deciding to clear him to resume his rehab.

By then, however, Bonds might be so weakened by several weeks of nearly total immobility that his rehab almost certainly will be significantly longer than the normal four-to-six-week schedule that faces most patients following arthroscopic knee surgery.

At this point, it's believed Bonds is even being discouraged from hobbling around on crutches, as he did earlier this month in a visit to SBC Park, because that puts more pressure on his knee than doctors would prefer.

So when is Bonds coming back? It isn't even worth guessing, because there is literally no one who knows the answer.

Perhaps you can read this article too:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/05/19/SPG4LCREGA1.DTL

[BIG_DADDY]

I hear what you're saying.

Could it be that average Joe will never cut the pro athlete a break because the pro makes an enormous amount of money compared to Joe?

It could be a part of it but I think there are many reasons starting with the media. If there is one thing that amazes me more than anything else it's how easy it is to control the masses and their perception through the media. This was one of Barry's biggest mistakes, he didn't like dealing with the media so he didn't unless he had to. If your in the media and you wait all night to get your interview with Barry and then he won't see you the next thing you write or say about him is going to be less than a ringing endorsement. Is he an individual player more than a team player, absolutely. Is he a bit of a prima donna, sure so are most superstar athletes. They don't attract the scrutiny Barry does though and that is in large part due to the fact that media put him there because he failed to deal with them appropriately. As far as Romo goes he played on the Raiders and Donx and this is a Chiefs BB so I think that is most of it. I'll tell you what I have a lot of respect for that guy telling it like it is when you have everyone else just trying to cover their own ass. Romonowski was a warrior who left it all on the field every down he ever played, I respect the hell out of that. Do you think for one second these douchbags in congress understand what it takes to play on that level? I know most people will never know what it took for a lot of these guys. What they will do instead is take those hand selected "bad guys" being spit at them nightly on ESPN and pretend that athlete's they like are not exactly the same way trying anything and everything they can do to compete on a daily basis.

[BIG_DADDY]

Factor in that guys like Bonds or Romo are world class assholes, and it's not a big mystery why people hate them.

Duck Dog,

This guy is a prime example.

[BIG_DADDY]

Perhaps you can read this article too:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/05/19/SPG4LCREGA1.DTL

That Dr. Ting guy used to work right next door to the 24 hour fitness I ran in Fremont, he specializes in working with athletes. Roger Craig and other players used to go in and see him all the time. I gave him access to our club and all his clients got 30 days free so he helped me through a couple issues I had at the time. If anyone can get Barry up and going it's that guy. Sure wish I had access to him over the last few years especially with the broken shoulder.

[jspchief]

Duck Dog,

This guy is a prime example. Yea, Bonds' pulling the race card every chance he got had nothing to do with my perception of him. It was all the media.

The media made me hate Romanowski, not his dirt play and spitting in players faces.

It's totally inconceivable that these guys are just jerks, and thats why people don't like them. :rolleyes:

[BIG_DADDY]

Yea, Bonds' pulling the race card every chance he got had nothing to do with my perception of him. It was all the media.

The media made me hate Romanowski, not his dirt play and spitting in players faces.

It's totally inconceivable that these guys are just jerks, and thats why people don't like them. :rolleyes:

Now Barry is pulling it every chance he get, OK

If you owned a team you would both these guys on it. I loved watching Romo play here in SF. Didn't matter where the ball was it semed like he was there every play. Guy gave it 100% every down he ever played. I respect that even if you don't.

[jspchief]

Now Barry is pulling it every chance he get, OK

If you owned a team you would both these guys on it. I loved watching Romo play here in SF. Didn't matter where the ball was it semed like he was there every play. Guy gave it 100% every down he ever played. I respect that even if you don't.Hey, I can respect what they are capable of on the field, and still think they are an asshole. I think TO is the best WR in the game, but still think he's a world class dick.

[Ultra Peanut]

While I certainly did not want Bonds to break the record, I can't believe there are some taking glee that in his current predicament. It's not just career threatening, its life threatening.People suck.

That Dr. Ting guy used to work right next door to the 24 hour fitness I ran in Fremont, he specializes in working with athletes.IIRC, he's the "official" guy for the San Jose Earthquakes and San Jose Sharks.

[BIG_DADDY]

People suck.

IIRC, he's the "official" guy for the San Jose Earthquakes and San Jose Sharks.

The walls in his office were loaded with all the athlete's he's worked on.