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Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
05-25-2005, 03:51 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/850358

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- People here wonder how seriously we should consider the New Orleans Saints as a candidate to move to Los Angeles. I wonder how seriously we should consider the Kansas City Chiefs.

Yes, the Chiefs.


The Chiefs say they wouldn't leave their loyal Arrowhead fans, for now at least. (Getty Images)
I know they're locked in a stadium lease that has another 9 years on it, and their owner, Lamar Hunt, is committed to keeping the club in Kansas City. But with the Missouri House of Representatives failing to consider a proposal that would tax pro athletes and entertainers to maintain Arrowhead Stadium, there's the prospect of the Chiefs becoming free agents within two years.

That's because Jackson County, Mo., home to the Chiefs' stadium, would default on its lease after the 2006 season, which means the team could become a player in the L.A. market if it's still available.

Not so fast, said Clark Hunt, the team's chairman of the board, who clarified remarks attributed to him in last weekend's Kansas City Star. The team's interest, he insisted, is to remain in the greater Kansas City area, not to relocate to Los Angeles.

"My comments," said Hunt, here for the NFL owners meetings, "were in response to a state legislator who said to me, 'It's my opinion and the opinion of my constituents that the Chiefs and Royals will never leave, no matter what happens to the stadiums.' And my response was that, in my opinion, if the stadiums are not renovated at some point in the next several years, one or both teams will leave Missouri within a 10-year window.

"Obviously, in Kansas City you have a state line right through the middle of the city, and I was really referring to the prospects of the teams moving to the Kansas side."

Missouri legislators recently snubbed a proposal to utilize existing tax revenues to maintain Arrowhead and Kauffman stadiums, both located in Jackson County and both more than 30 years old. Legislation from the state's current tax on professional athletes and entertainers would have pumped as much as $10 million annually into the two facilities.

But with that money now unavailable, Jackson County might not be able to fund repairs required to maintain state-of-the-art stadiums, as required by their leases. That, in turn, would cause the county to default on its leases and at least raise the possibility of the Chiefs leaving -- with speculation focused on Los Angeles, where the NFL would like a team no later than 2008.

"I don't think it's realistic," Hunt said. "Our leases run for another 9 years, and it's likely the county will figure out a way not to default on it. I don't think the county is going to tell us, 'Look, we want to default in the next 20 months.' I think they will find a way to create a short-term solution. We don't think that's ideal for either team (the Chiefs or Kansas City Royals) for them to do that. We would rather see a long-term solution."

It's unclear what the next step is, though the Kansas City Star reported the possibility of a tax election later this year -- probably in November -- to impose a quarter-cent or three-eighths cent sales tax. The Star also reported the tax could be for four years, raising $80 million for minimum maintenance of the stadiums, or extend for a longer period to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for renovations.

What is clear is that the Chiefs aren't happy and could leave Arrowhead in two years.

"We have to look at all options," said Chiefs president Carl Peterson. "We owe it to the Hunt family. But what we have to do right now is give the opportunity to Jackson County to try to solve this problem. They know it's a problem. They've readily admitted it publicly that there is a problem. They're running out of money, and they need to start to do something. They have the opportunity and the ability to solve it."

And if it's not?

"Our first priority is Kansas City," said Hunt. "So we'll run all those traps before we even think about another market."

Pants
05-25-2005, 03:53 PM
Can someone explain why the politicians would be against taxing the athletes and others?

keg in kc
05-25-2005, 03:53 PM
Can someone explain why the politicians would be against taxing the athletes and others?Why do politicians do anything they do

Pants
05-25-2005, 03:55 PM
Why do politicians do anything they do

But this is just straight up wierd. Unless, of course, I don't know something, which most likely is the case here.

jspchief
05-25-2005, 03:55 PM
Can someone explain why the politicians would be against taxing the athletes and others?They aren't against it. They are already doing it. What they are against is using that money for stadiums. The reason they are against that is because they will have to make cuts in other areas to do it, which means tax increases to cover those cuts, which means tougher to get re-elected.

KC Kings
05-25-2005, 03:57 PM
"But with the Missouri House of Representatives failing to consider a proposal that would tax pro athletes and entertainers to maintain Arrowhead Stadium, there's the prospect of the Chiefs becoming free agents within two years. "

They didn't fail a proposal that would tax athletes. The athletes are already getting taxed extra, and when this tax was voted for it was sold as an athlete tax to let the rich athletes pay for their own stadiums. Somewhere along the line, politicians decided to direct these monies to a general fund which does not cover stadiums.

The amendment was to make the athlete tax go back to paying for what it was supposed to pay for in the first place.

Pants
05-25-2005, 03:57 PM
They aren't against it. They are already doing it. What they are against is using that money for stadiums. The reason they are against that is because they will have to make cuts in other areas to do it, which means tax increases to cover those cuts, which means tougher to get re-elected.

I see. Thanks.

KingPriest2
05-25-2005, 03:58 PM
Can someone explain why the politicians would be against taxing the athletes and others?


They are already being taxed what they want is defer the funds from the general fund to the stadiums.

keg in kc
05-25-2005, 03:59 PM
The amendment was to make the athlete tax go back to paying for what it was supposed to pay for in the first place.That seems to be a predominant theme with politicians. Create a tax that's supposed to go one direction, then pull a fast one after it passes and send the money somewhere else. Hear they do/have done the same thing with the casino revenue. Basically, stuff never ends up going where it's supposed to.

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 03:59 PM
But this is just straight up wierd. Unless, of course, I don't know something, which most likely is the case here.

The explanation given by a Rep from Raytown was that transferring the money to the stadium would have meant cutting thousands of people off from Medicaid (sp?). He continued on by saying that in a good budget year [when was the last time we had a good budget year?] they could afford to do this, but not this year.

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense if you follow it all the way through, because most of the money comes from Chiefs related revenue in the first place, and if we lose the Chiefs then we lose much of that revenue. In essence, if we don't insure that we keep the Chiefs, we will lose the revenue anyways.

KC Kings
05-25-2005, 04:01 PM
BTW, this tax is for anybody that plays at Arrowhead and is not a resident. So that means Trent Green, Priest Holmes, and every other Chiefs player living in Johnson County is paying 7% from every home game in this extra tax, that isn't being used as it should.

KC Kings
05-25-2005, 04:03 PM
The explanation given by a Rep from Raytown was that transferring the money to the stadium would have meant cutting thousands of people off from Medicaid (sp?). He continued on by saying that in a good budget year [when was the last time we had a good budget year?] they could afford to do this, but not this year.

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense if you follow it all the way through, because most of the money comes from Chiefs related revenue in the first place, and if we lose the Chiefs then we lose much of that revenue. In essence, if we don't insure that we keep the Chiefs, we will lose the revenue anyways.

BTW, screw Medicaid. There are a lot of people that need it, but there are a lot of people that are recently unemployed, still living in $250,000 houses with their kids on medicaid. I know three different families in this position, and were crying when Matt Blunt was going to make his tax cuts. I felt like pissing in their ears and asking them what is more important, their third car garage or their kids medical insurance.

Skip Towne
05-25-2005, 04:08 PM
Yeah!!! Move to Kansas. They have honest politicians. :p

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 04:09 PM
Yeah!!! Move to Kansas. They have honest politicians. :p

Yeah. Sure you do.

Pants
05-25-2005, 04:10 PM
I don't know why, but when I picture Missouri, I see pot holes and dirt. When I picture Kansas, I see sunshine.

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 04:11 PM
I don't know why, but when I picture Missouri, I see pot holes and dirt. When I picture Kansas, I see sunshine.

Are you from Kansas?

Pants
05-25-2005, 04:12 PM
Are you from Kansas?

Not originally, no. I picked it over Missouri though.

eazyb81
05-25-2005, 04:15 PM
I don't know why, but when I picture Missouri, I see pot holes and dirt. When I picture Kansas, I see sunshine.

when you picture Kansas, do you also see trailer parks?

:p

Brock
05-25-2005, 04:16 PM
when you picture Kansas, do you also see trailer parks?

:p

Only when facing east.

Pants
05-25-2005, 04:17 PM
when you picture Kansas, do you also see trailor parks?

:p

I've never seen any in Kansas. I did however see A LOT of rednecks in Missouri. Pretty much at every dirty gas station. *Shudder*

eazyb81
05-25-2005, 04:19 PM
I've never seen any in Kansas. I did however see A LOT of rednecks in Missouri. Pretty much at every dirty gas station. *Shudder*

I guess you've never been to KCK. :)

VonneMarie
05-25-2005, 04:19 PM
KS is too country and UGLY to have anything nice like the Chiefs. Why do you guys think they only have Nascar?

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 04:21 PM
I've never seen any in Kansas. I did however see A LOT of rednecks in Missouri. Pretty much at every dirty gas station. *Shudder*

Do you live in Johnson County?

Pants
05-25-2005, 04:22 PM
I guess you've never been to KCK. :)

I used to work in KCK. It's semi dirty, but at least there are no rednecks.

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 04:22 PM
KS is too country and UGLY to have anything nice like the Chiefs. Why do you guys think they only have Nascar?

Stop being so naive. Kansas is sunshine. Everyone knows that there is no such thing as a redneck in Kansas. That is an oddity that is unique to Missouri. We are lucky to have such fine and superior neighbors.

ENDelt260
05-25-2005, 04:27 PM
In essence, if we don't insure that we keep the Chiefs, we will lose the revenue anyways.

Bingo.

Pants
05-25-2005, 04:27 PM
Stop being so naive. Kansas is sunshine. Everyone knows that there is no such thing as a redneck in Kansas. That is an oddity that is unique to Missouri. We are lucky to have such fine and superior neighbors.

Finally, someone understands. When will you be moving?

Brock
05-25-2005, 04:29 PM
KS is too country and UGLY to have anything nice like the Chiefs. Why do you guys think they only have Nascar?

We might be country and ugly, but apparently we aren't too broke to put the Chiefs into a nice stadium.

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 04:31 PM
We might be country and ugly, but apparently we aren't too broke to put the Chiefs into a nice stadium.

Johnson County is one of the richest counties in the United States. At least that is what the radio told me!

keg in kc
05-25-2005, 04:32 PM
We might be country and ugly, but apparently we aren't too broke to put the Chiefs into a nice stadium.Damn I'm out of place in Kansas. I'm not country at all, I'm damn good looking and I'm so broke it hurts.

ENDelt260
05-25-2005, 04:34 PM
Damn I'm out of place in Kansas. I'm not country at all, I'm damn good looking and I'm so broke it hurts.
I'll buy one and three, but I'm calling shenanigans on assertion number two.

keg in kc
05-25-2005, 04:35 PM
I'll buy one and three, but I'm calling shenanigans on assertion number two.That's okay. I don't think I'd be down with you saying "Kyle, you're a damned good looking man" anyway.

Skip Towne
05-25-2005, 04:37 PM
Man, you ought to see the Missouri rednecks streaming across the state line on NASCAR day. It's a sight to behold.

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 04:38 PM
Man, you ought to see the Missouri rednecks streaming across the state line on NASCAR day. It's a sight to behold.

Maybe some day they will all go to the race, and I will finally have a chance to burn down Branson.

KChiefs1
05-25-2005, 04:40 PM
I'm hoping that the Chiefs come up with a way to modernize Arrowhead much like the Packers did to Lambeau! If all else fails I'm sure Kansas will pony up the bucks for a stadium out by the Speedway.

Skip Towne
05-25-2005, 04:46 PM
Why do the rich people elect to live in Kansas?

ENDelt260
05-25-2005, 04:47 PM
Why do the rich people elect to live in Kansas?
What are you talking about? Jim lives in San Diego.

BigRedChief
05-25-2005, 04:47 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where the money went? Why are we short? It was just 10 years ago that we voted to raise our taxes to keep the chiefs and royals here for 25 years.

show me the money. Show me someone being fired for incomptence.

KChiefs1
05-25-2005, 04:48 PM
Why do the rich people elect to live in Kansas?

Mainly because the KCMO school district is one of the worst in the entire nation! :cuss:

BigRedChief
05-25-2005, 04:54 PM
Why do the rich people elect to live in Kansas?

Over here in the Johnson county of Missouri, Lee's Summit we have some pretty rich dudes and dudettes. Hell we got Paris Warfield. :)

Tribal Warfare
05-25-2005, 05:00 PM
real question why the f*ck not repair Arrowhead, because of the fact it helps tourism and cash flow.

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 05:04 PM
Over here in the Johnson county of Missouri, Lee's Summit we have some pretty rich dudes and dudettes. Hell we got Paris Warfield. :)

Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, Oak Park etc. are all pretty well off.

Kansas itself is not that much richer per capita then Missouri. Johnson County is very rich, but in large part, the rest of the state is normal as far as Midwestern states go. In 2003, Kansas had a per capita gdp of $29,900 in 2003. Missouri had one of $29,250. Missouri also has a population of three million more and two metropolitan areas that you have to consider.

jiveturkey
05-25-2005, 05:09 PM
Why do the rich people elect to live in Kansas?Better schools, better roads, better shopping, better movie theaters, less crime (by a lot), higher speed limits, bike trails o-plenty and I'm sure that there's more.

beer bacon
05-25-2005, 05:10 PM
Better schools, better roads, better shopping, better movie theaters, less crime (by a lot), higher speed limits, bike trails o-plenty and I'm sure that there's more.

Don't forget larger percentage of people living in poverty.

Brock
05-25-2005, 05:21 PM
Don't forget larger percentage of people living in poverty.


sure, out in the middle of nowhere.

mikey23545
05-25-2005, 05:21 PM
This whole Medicaid vs Arrowhead debate sounds like bullshit to me.

You mean to tell me there is no other program to pull money out of (actually, diverting the money to where it was supposed to be in the first place) than Medicaid?

WTF, do you only have one government program running in Missouri?

Pants
05-25-2005, 05:22 PM
Lee's Summit, Blue Springs, Oak Park etc. are all pretty well off.

Kansas itself is not that much richer per capita then Missouri. Johnson County is very rich, but in large part, the rest of the state is normal as far as Midwestern states go. In 2003, Kansas had a per capita gdp of $29,900 in 2003. Missouri had one of $29,250. Missouri also has a population of three million more and two metropolitan areas that you have to consider.

Oak Park is hella nice.

Frazod
05-25-2005, 06:02 PM
If the Chiefs do decide to bail on Arrowhead (God forbid) and relocate to Kansas, where will they play while the new stadium is being constructed? It's not like they can throw up a new stadium in a couple of months during an offseason.

And what would happen to Arrowhead? Would it just sit empty?

This whole thing just seems retarded. It seems that Jackson County and the State of Missouri would totally take it in the ass if the team relocates across the border. I can't believe the politicians would allow that to happen. Perhaps the team's reaction to the no vote will inspire them to pull their heads out of their asses and get something done.

And when I think of Kansas, I think of a vast, useless f#cking wasteland extending all the way to Colorado.

ROYC75
05-25-2005, 08:16 PM
If the Chiefs do decide to bail on Arrowhead (God forbid) and relocate to Kansas, where will they play while the new stadium is being constructed? It's not like they can throw up a new stadium in a couple of months during an offseason.

And what would happen to Arrowhead? Would it just sit empty?

This whole thing just seems retarded. It seems that Jackson County and the State of Missouri would totally take it in the ass if the team relocates across the border. I can't believe the politicians would allow that to happen. Perhaps the team's reaction to the no vote will inspire them to pull their heads out of their asses and get something done.

And when I think of Kansas, I think of a vast, useless f#cking wasteland extending all the way to Colorado.


WTF ? If Mo. is so damn wondermous, why you live in IL .?

Remember........ There's no place like home.

ROYC75
05-25-2005, 08:17 PM
BTW, they would sign a one year or a 2 year lease until the new Arrowhead was built.

jspchief
05-25-2005, 08:26 PM
This whole Medicaid vs Arrowhead debate sounds like bullshit to me.

You mean to tell me there is no other program to pull money out of (actually, diverting the money to where it was supposed to be in the first place) than Medicaid?

WTF, do you only have one government program running in Missouri?I agree. They're just trying to use Medicaid to make the people that want that tax money look like bad guys. It's so transparent it's absurd.

jspchief
05-25-2005, 08:28 PM
BTW, they would sign a one year or a 2 year lease until the new Arrowhead was built.The lease is already signed. The county defaulting doesn't automatically terminate the lease, it just gives the Hunts a legal "out" if they choose to use it.

HemiEd
05-25-2005, 08:36 PM
And when I think of Kansas, I think of a vast, useless f#cking wasteland extending all the way to Colorado.

WTF! One wasteland Kansas farmer feeds 125 Condo Dwelling Suburbanites! :D
There is no, I repeat, no fugging wasteland in Kansas. It is all either Ag, or pastureland.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
05-25-2005, 08:51 PM
Do they still have those billboards along I-70 going east talking about how 1 million (or something) Missourians have something in common? They all have hepatitis? When I went to St. Lewey a couple years ago I remember seeing those and laughing my ass off. The whole while zig zagging down the interstate trying to avoid the craters that Misery calls "small potholes"

morphius
05-25-2005, 08:53 PM
If the Chiefs do decide to bail on Arrowhead (God forbid) and relocate to Kansas, where will they play while the new stadium is being constructed? It's not like they can throw up a new stadium in a couple of months during an offseason.

And what would happen to Arrowhead? Would it just sit empty?

This whole thing just seems retarded. It seems that Jackson County and the State of Missouri would totally take it in the ass if the team relocates across the border. I can't believe the politicians would allow that to happen. Perhaps the team's reaction to the no vote will inspire them to pull their heads out of their asses and get something done.

And when I think of Kansas, I think of a vast, useless f#cking wasteland extending all the way to Colorado.
I don't know, Jackson county seems completely inept and the state of MO as a whole doesn't seem about KC. Yeah, there isn't much in KS, but KC isn't KC without both sides of the border. It would be a sad day if the Chiefs move from Arrowhead, but not as sad as if it were not the KC Chiefs.