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Mr. Laz
05-31-2005, 04:15 PM
man i'm old... :sulk:

got a 2nd grader pushing for more math :doh!:



i give him equations like this:


8x+34-12 = 15y+(4*25)

etc



lil dude gives the freakin answers almost before i can finish writing them without using paper. i try and tell him he is going to have to show his work and the stuff with get harder he will have to know the steps.




isn't that beginning algebra ... 2nd grade a little early?

Baby Lee
05-31-2005, 04:19 PM
Trying to think back
3rd grade - single digit multiplication
4th grade - double digit multiplication
7th grade - geometry
8th grade - algebra
9th grade - trig

That's what I can recall of the 'average student' path. I took my own path. ;)

4th and Long
05-31-2005, 04:21 PM
Back in the day (dating myself) they didn't offer PreAlgebra until the 7th grade.

Rain Man
05-31-2005, 04:21 PM
Back in the 14th century, I started algebra in the 8th grade. Couldn't take it before then.

However, starting in the second grade we covered concepts, such as 4 + (picture of a box) = 7. What should go in the box?

That's much more simple than what you're discussing, but technically it's algebra.

Pitt Gorilla
05-31-2005, 04:21 PM
Check out www.nctm.org. The algebra strand should begin in the elementary grades. However, it doesn't necessarily look like "solving-equations." Contextually-based tasks can elicit algebraic thinking quite well from elementary children. If you really need some good tasks, PM me, and I'll see what I can do.

Algebra is all about generalization.

chagrin
05-31-2005, 04:22 PM
Rich Scanlon mastered Algebra when he was 4 years old

RealSNR
05-31-2005, 06:53 PM
I was on the "advanced" math track when I was in grade school. Went like this:

7th: Pre-algebra
8th: Algebra
9th: Geometry
10th: Algebra II
11th: Pre-calculus
12th: Calculus I and II

tiptap
05-31-2005, 07:50 PM
man i'm old... :sulk:

got a 2nd grader pushing for more math :doh!:



i give him equations like this:


8x+34-12 = 15y+(4*25)

etc



lil dude gives the freakin answers almost before i can finish writing them without using paper. i try and tell him he is going to have to show his work and the stuff with get harder he will have to know the steps.




isn't that beginning algebra ... 2nd grade a little early?


If he was running for touchdowns or scoring baskets you'd be pushing it because that is where his talents are. Ask his school if he is precocious and could use some extra exercise and development.

Thig Lyfe
05-31-2005, 07:53 PM
Rich Scanlon mastered Algebra when he was 4 years old

Hell, he freakin' disproved Steven Hawking's entire life's work when he was eight.

Jenson71
05-31-2005, 07:53 PM
Your kid is bright.

schneider221
05-31-2005, 07:54 PM
Pre Alg. - 7th
Algebra - 8th
Honors Algebra - 9th
Geometry - 10th
Algebra II - 11th
College Algebra and Pre-Cal - 12th

Baby Lee
05-31-2005, 07:54 PM
I was on the "advanced" math track when I was in grade school. Went like this:

7th: Pre-algebra
8th: Algebra
9th: Geometry
10th: Algebra II
11th: Pre-calculus
12th: Calculus I and II
7th-12th is Jr. High and High School, dumbass!!! :p

j/k - were in any knowledge bowl, science bowl, mathlete, etc. competitions?

Baby Lee
05-31-2005, 07:55 PM
Does nobody take Trig any more? Or are they calling it Pre-Calc?

Jenson71
05-31-2005, 07:56 PM
Does nobody take Trig any more? Or are they calling it Pre-Calc?

Pre-Calc. I'm taking it next year. Not looking forward to it.

elvomito
05-31-2005, 07:59 PM
yeah i think mine was trig/pre-calc.
i think i still mostly remember that damm quadratic equation too
got a lot of college credits for calc and college algebra in HS. boy was i happy to skip those in college

Jenson71
05-31-2005, 08:01 PM
Yeah there's a nice song for that. -b plus or minus square root of b squared minus 4ac all over 2a. It sounds better with harmony.

kcfreakTR3Y
05-31-2005, 08:48 PM
Maybe my school is way too small or something, but I just finished Algebra 1 and I'm going into 9th grade and will be 15 in September. Next year I will have Geometry. Also, I'm an advanced math student (obviously not compared to your son);therefore, I would've taken pre-algebra last year in 8th grade and taken Alegbra 1 next year in 9th grade. We started pre-algebra in 7th grade. Hope I helped! God bless. :)

Frosty
05-31-2005, 09:08 PM
Like most everyone else here, Algebra was 8th grade, followed by Geometry, Algebra II, Elementary Functions (which included Trig), then Calculus.

My oldest boy was in an afterschool class called "Math is Cool", where they competed against other schools in various math activities. There were quite a few "algebra-type" problems. It really sparked an interest in math.

My other son is in 2nd grade and is even better in math. He would actually solve the problems faster than #1 son. He'll probably be in Math is Cool next year. You might check and see if your son's school offers it.

Fat Elvis
05-31-2005, 09:11 PM
Your kid is a freak. Smack him upside the head a few times and dumb him down a bit so that he will fit in with the rest of us miscreants.

j/k nurture his gift, but don't be a psycho parent

AirForceChief
05-31-2005, 09:13 PM
I started algebra in third grade...but i be smarted. Hope to fiinish reel soon.

Logical
05-31-2005, 09:45 PM
Think it depends on the school/school system. I know I was in the 7th grade when we started doing Algebra, out here my kids started in 9th grade. Private schools tend to start much earlier.

jAZ
05-31-2005, 09:51 PM
In the Shawnee Mission school district, the basic math program went something like this (if you elected to take math all 4 years):

9: Algebra
10: Geometry
11: Alebra II
12: Trig

If you were in the "standard" AP/Honors math track, it was:

9: Geometry
10: Alebra II
11: Trig
12: Caculus

There was always 2 or 3 Freshman who started out in the Calculus class with the Sr's. Those kids usually went on to JCCC to take CalcII their sophmore year.

Showoffs.

RedDread
05-31-2005, 09:55 PM
I started doing algebraic stuff in 5th grade, but my school didn't teach it in a classroom format till 7th.

Coogs
05-31-2005, 10:05 PM
i give him equations like this:


8x+34-12 = 15y+(4*25)


So what answer is he giving you for this? Solving it for
X? Solving it for Y? Giving you the Slope and Y-intercept? If any of these, I really am impressed?

StcChief
05-31-2005, 11:02 PM
My boy 4 years ago
pre-algebra 7th grade,
Alegebra 8th grade.

Did these solving single variable
algebra like problems in grade school as well to get concepts.

chiefsfan58
05-31-2005, 11:45 PM
I learned the basics in late elementary school for math competitions and such, but 2nd grade is pretty damn early. The kid is either fairly gifted or the product of a lot of parent pressure/tutoring.

RealSNR
06-01-2005, 12:17 AM
7th-12th is Jr. High and High School, dumbass!!! :p

j/k - were in any knowledge bowl, science bowl, mathlete, etc. competitions?North Dakota Knowledge Masters champions-- Red River High School... 3 years in a row. I was team leader all 3 years. :)

When I told people I was going into music, they were stunned that someone so smart could be so stupid as to waste something like I had.

JOhn
06-01-2005, 01:34 AM
Not sure about starting, though I believe my 15 year old started last year? or maybe it was 2 years ago. :shrug:

I do know as a old second time college student, the shit never ends. :banghead:

And it's even harder at this age. :deevee: