Batman Begins

[kufan2]

the best Batman ever. Much darker, reminds me some of the Black Knight comic series. If you are a fan, run to see this movie.

[Saulbadguy]

Oy gevaldt...

[Eleazar]

This is effing incredible. Three of you saw the same movie!

[chagrin]

Oy gevaldt...


ROFL

[KCChiefsMan]

no way it's better than the one with Jack Nickelson

[KC Dan]

no way it's better than the one with Jack Nickelson
or Jack Nicholson! :)

[KCChiefsMan]

or Jack Nicholson! :)

OMG I am just.....soooo stupid! :p

[Gravedigger]

Well if you look at the post times i posted mine one minute after his so mine was the repost and for that im sorry but during my post he beat me to the punch

[Skip Towne]

OMG I am just.....soooo stupid! :p
And don't forget criminally ignorant!!

[Psyko Tek]

no way it's better than the one with Jack Nickelson


I'm a big Batfan, dude
and that first movie was crap
everything was good except batman


the only good batman on video
was the animated series from the 90's

[irishjayhawk]

I meant to post my review after I saw it on Monday.

Downright the best one!

[oaklandhater]

I'm a big Batfan, dude
and that first movie was crap
everything was good except batman


the only good batman on video
was the animated series from the 90's


Then you havent seen the new one yet Bale has to be one of the best batmans ive ever seen'

P.S. another thing that saved this movie is that they Cared more about
the Story line then CGI Effects!

[Frazod]

I'm going to go see it tomorrow. I'm really looking forward to it. They filmed a good chunk of it in Chicago. I didn't see any of actual filming, but I did see many of the vehicles they used.

Plus, Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman are my two favorite actors. It'll be cool to see them in the same film.

[Chieficus]

no way it's better than the one with Jack Nickelson

I've always been a big fan of the '89 Batman. I never got into the comics, so the changes in the storyline didn't bother me. Certainly Nicholson played a heck of a Joker, and I thought Keaton pulled off Batman fairly well. Up until last night, it was my favorite.

...Batman Begins blows it out of the water...

I've been highly anticipating this since I first heard the whispers of it coming out... Most films I highly anticipate end up disappointing... This one didn't.

[Over-Head]

Always thought the Batman movies were a bit dark, but when this one comes to DvD I’ll watch it.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Fantastic 4 mind you.

I was an Iron Man fan as a kid; I still have the first series from the beginning Tales of suspense right to where the series ended the first time. at #317
There was talk of an Iron Man movie, but nothing as of yet.

[Frazod]

Saw it this afternoon. Very well done, and better than the other movies (although I still like the Batmobile from the first move the best). Top notch cast. Well acted. Bale makes a great Batman. The bad guys weren't over the top, which is one thing about these superhero movies that I find tiresome.

It was also interesting the way they combined actual Chicago buildings with special effects to form Gotham.

Definitely worth the price of admission.

[Bowser]

Saw it this afternoon. Very well done, and better than the other movies (although I still like the Batmobile from the first move the best). Top notch cast. Well acted. Bale makes a great Batman. The bad guys weren't over the top, which is one thing about these superhero movies that I find tiresome.

It was also interesting the way they combined actual Chicago buildings with special effects to form Gotham.

Definitely worth the price of admission.

Definitely agree. Some critic in the local paper was talking down the fight scenes, calling them "unrealistic" and "poorly directed". It's Batman taking on and beating ten guys at once, fer chrissakes! I think the scenes were shot very well.

Beats the shit out of Joel Schumacher making a campy homo-erotic flick.

nttiawwt, of course.

[Frazod]

Definitely agree. Some critic in the local paper was talking down the fight scenes, calling them "unrealistic" and "poorly directed". It's Batman taking on and beating ten guys at once, fer chrissakes! I think the scenes were shot very well.

Beats the shit out of Joel Schumacher making a campy homo-erotic flick.

nttiawwt, of course.

I liked the first two movies with Keaton. The third one was just kind of there. The fourth one sucked balls - one of the absolute worst movies ever made.

[keg in kc]

I loved the way the action was done. I thought it fit the tone of the film perfectly and it helped to characterize Batman. Maybe some people have become so enamored with wire-fu and matrix style freeze-frame shit (all of which I like btw) that they bitch when they see something else.

And the first batman movie with keaton was okay, but i've always thought the second one was complete shit, nomatter how hot michelle pfeiffer was in the catsuit. 'course, I don't like danny devito, and penguin is my least favorite of batman's big enemies.

I love the way they end the new one, by the light. Trying not to spoil...

And will there be lazarus pits? :hmmm:

[Frazod]

The second movie wasn't as good as the first, but I liked the relationship between Batman and Catwoman. I didn't have a problem with DeVito. The thing that pissed me off the most was them changing batmobiles. The one from the first movie was the shit.

[Chieficus]

I loved the way the action was done. I thought it fit the tone of the film perfectly and it helped to characterize Batman. Maybe some people have become so enamored with wire-fu and matrix style freeze-frame shit that they bitch when they see something else.

I read some reviews where negatives included: It was too dark (in terms of lighting and Batman fighting mainly in the darkness of night), it was too dark (in terms of it not being as up-beat as other Superhero movies), and basically: "It's a Superhero movie that is lacking in villians and heros that have special powers."

Let's see...um...not too familier with the history of Batman... yeah, next review please...

[keg in kc]

I'm seeing it again tomorrow in IMAX. I rarely see a film a second time so soon, which is a sign of how much I liked it.

Man, I'm just thinking about the great scenes, like the docks, and when he was "interrogating" gordon's partner. My only real complaint was that I thought the ending was rushed. Which was probably because the film was already so long. The romance angle didn't even bother me.

[Bowser]

I'm seeing it again tomorrow in IMAX. I rarely see a film a second time so soon, which is a sign of how much I liked it.

Man, I'm just thinking about the great scenes, like the docks, and when he was "interrogating" gordon's partner. My only real complaint was that I thought the ending was rushed. Which was probably because the film was already so long. The romance angle didn't even bother me.

I saw it last night in IMAX. :D You're in for a treat!

And Katie Holmes didn't do much for me in the movie.

[Frazod]

"It's a Superhero movie that is lacking in villians and heros that have special powers."

GOOD. Enough of that shit already. I like a good superhero movie in spite of silly omnipotent villains, not because of them.

My all-time favorite villain from a comic book movie is Top Dollar from the first Crow. He was twisted, evil, and clearly loved his work, as all great bad guys should. But if he'd been able to shoot fireballs out of his eyes, it would have ruined the film.

[keg in kc]

And Katie Holmes didn't do much for me in the movie.Me either, but I also didn't think she detracted from the movie.

[Frazod]

I saw it last night in IMAX. :D You're in for a treat!

And Katie Holmes didn't do much for me in the movie.

I was glad they downplayed the romance. Besides, I wouldn't want Tom to get jealous. :p

[keg in kc]

GOOD. Enough of that shit already. I like a good superhero movie in spite of silly omnipotent villains, not because of them.

My all-time favorite villain from a comic book movie is Top Dollar from the first Crow. He was twisted, evil, and clearly loved his work, as all great bad guys should. But if he'd been able to shoot fireballs out of his eyes, it would have ruined the film.But I do think with Batman, you do have to get to the point where he is taking on some superhuman villains. That struggle is part of who he is. I like where this one started, I think it was a good base. But I think the next film (and the third) need to up the bar in terms of fighting some more-than-human badguys.

And there's still the question of the Lazarus Pit. Have we seen the last of you-know-who? We have if they're trying to keep this based in reality as we know it. But not if it's reality as Batman would know it.

And, ultimately, we may be leading to a Superman vs. Batman film...

[Frazod]

But I do think with Batman, you do have to get to the point where he is taking on some superhuman villains. That struggle is part of who he is. I like where this one started, I think it was a good base. But I think the next film (and the third) need to up the bar in terms of fighting some more-than-human badguys.

And there's still the question of the Lazarus Pit. Have we seen the last of you-know-who? We have if they're trying to keep this based in reality as we know it. But not if it's reality as Batman would know it.

And, ultimately, we may be leading to a Superman vs. Batman film...

Sadly, I assume that if there are sequels to this (and there certainly will be), they will eventually devolve into over-the-top silliness just like the last bunch did.

I never read the comic books. Him fighting real flesh and blood enemies works just fine for me.

[keg in kc]

Sadly, I assume that if there are sequels to this (and there certainly will be), they will eventually devolve into over-the-top silliness just like the last bunch did. The trick will be to keep the villains married with the reality they created in the film. I don't think they have to go over the top. Superhuman does not have to equal silly.I never read the comic books. Him fighting real flesh and blood enemies works just fine for me.I think they have to up the ante, basically because I don't want to see the same movie 3 times.

And I never read the comic books either. Well, okay, a few, but I mostly read Marvel books growing up. But I did watch tons of cartoons. If they do it like WB did the animated series in the 90s, I think it'll work. The key is to keep him dark and serious.

[Frazod]

I'd watch the first Batman 10 times back-to-back before I'd watch the fourth one once. Upping the ante in sequels is generally a bad thing.

[keg in kc]

The 4th one may be the worst movie I've ever seen.

But, hey, Mr. Freeze now rules over Cali.

[keg in kc]

I should probably refrain from talking about Ra's Al-Ghul from the comics.

[Frazod]

The 4th one may be the worst movie I've ever seen.

But, hey, Mr. Freeze now rules over Cali.

It's right up there with Dune and Tango & Cash. I saw that piece of shit in the theater - they lost me about the time Batman and Robin escaped the exploding plane on SURFBOARDS, and that was in the first five minutes. Wretched, mindless, offensive film.

[Digital Takawira]

I saw it last night in IMAX. :D You're in for a treat!

And Katie Holmes didn't do much for me in the movie.


except have possibly the best scene in the movie. she freaking tasered scarecrow in the face!

[Bowser]

except have possibly the best scene in the movie. she freaking tasered scarecrow in the face!

Heh.....forgot that part.......

[Bowser]

I'd watch the first Batman 10 times back-to-back before I'd watch the fourth one once. Upping the ante in sequels is generally a bad thing.

Yeah, X-Men3 with Dark Phoenix might not be such a good thing.........

[Eleazar]

the 60s batmobile owns!

[jiveturkey]

I saw it in Imax and think that it's the best super hero movie ever made.

[Deberg_1990]

I saw it in Imax and think that it's the best super hero movie ever made.

I would have to agree. Thank you Christopher Nolan! Someone finally made a Batman film that works! Not only is it a great Superhero flick, its also just a great movie in general and one of the best films of the year so far. I saw it last night and im still in shock. Damn, that was one great movie! Nolan has now made 3 of the best movies of the past 5 years. Memento, Insomnia(2002) and now this. Wow


Here is how I would rank my superhero flicks now:

Batman Begins
Superman
Spider Man 2
Superman 2
X Men 2
Spider Man
X Men

[Fairplay]

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[dirk digler]

I just saw it last night and the movie rocks! It is definitely a must see and I agree with jiveturkey, IMO it was probably one of the best super hero movies ever.

I definitely want to see it again.

[Abba-Dabba]

the 60s batmobile owns!

heh...

[keg in kc]

Better the 2nd time around.

[BigRedChief]

Add me to the list. Saw it today and the movie rocks.

[royr17]

That was a great movie, best batman ever. I cant wait till they come out with the next one.

Too bad my nephew is goin to be scared from seein it.

[Frazod]

I'm actually rewatching the '89 movie right now.

The new one is better, but I still like this one even though it has way too many silly parts. Nicholson's Joker portrayal appeals to my twisted nature. :evil:

[Deberg_1990]

I'm actually rewatching the '89 movie right now.

The new one is better, but I still like this one even though it has way too many silly parts. Nicholson's Joker portrayal appeals to my twisted nature. :evil:

Its good, but its all spectacle and no meat. Plus, Tim Burton cant direct an action scene to save his life. But Keaton is very good as Wayne/Batman.

[Frazod]

Its good, but its all spectacle and no meat. Plus, Tim Burton cant direct an action scene to save his life. But Keaton is very good as Wayne/Batman.

After rewatching the old one, I must say that it's thunder has definitely been stolen by the new one. Doubt if I'll ever watch it again.

[Deberg_1990]

After rewatching the old one, I must say that it's thunder has definitely been stolen by the new one. Doubt if I'll ever watch it again.



The only one i ever truly liked was the 2nd one. Batman Returns. Pfeiffer and DeVito made that one though. The action was a little better as well. The Schumacher Batmans arnt even worth talking about, a joke. What they finally got right was the character of Wayne/Batman himself. It was the 1st time he was ever really more interesting that the villans.

[Swanman]

It was also interesting the way they combined actual Chicago buildings with special effects to form Gotham.



It looks like what they did was leave everything south of the river (Leo Burnett Building, RR Donnelly Building, etc.) the same and cgi'd the Narrows on the north side of the river. I remember seeing Marina towers and the Boeing building a few times and they used the Chicago Board of Trade as Wayne Tower.

Also, all of the scenes on Lower Wacker Drive were awesome. I used to drive that almost every day commuting and I always say it was like driving in a video game and the movie proved me right.

[Saulbadguy]

I've been reading numerous reviews and things today. I saw the movie yesterday, and it was awesome. Some things i've gathered from reading reviews:

1. This movie was based off the comic books. The previous 4 Batman movies were not. They just used the Batman license, and pumped out cornballish movies.

2. Joker did not kill Bruce Waynes parents as in the Burton film. Joe Chill did.

3. There will be another Batman film with Bale in it. Probably to "remake" or just "re-do" the 1989 Batman, to stay true to the comics. I can't wait.

Has anyone here read the comics? Who/what is Ra's Al-Ghul? What is the significance of him?

[Bowser]

In the comics, I believe Ra-Ah Gul is an immortal bent on world domination. I can't remember the relationship between him and Batman, exactly.

Liam Neeson did a great job with that role, as did nearly eveybody did with theirs. Christopher Nolan is a fine director.

[tomahawk kid]

I've been reading numerous reviews and things today. I saw the movie yesterday, and it was awesome. Some things i've gathered from reading reviews:

1. This movie was based off the comic books. The previous 4 Batman movies were not. They just used the Batman license, and pumped out cornballish movies.

2. Joker did not kill Bruce Waynes parents as in the Burton film. Joe Chill did.

3. There will be another Batman film with Bale in it. Probably to "remake" or just "re-do" the 1989 Batman, to stay true to the comics. I can't wait.

Has anyone here read the comics? Who/what is Ra's Al-Ghul? What is the significance of him?

Ok, huge Batman nerd in my youth. I have a signifigant Batman collection as a result of my early teen years.

Ra's Al-Ghul is one of the "lesser" Batman villians. The movie portrayal of him was accurate other than the fact that he did not train Bruce Wayne as a member of the "League of Shadows".

He DID discover Batman's identity exactly how the movie explains.

[Saulbadguy]

I also didn't get the whole "Scarecrow" thing. Was Dr Crane "Scarecrow"? How come after he was put in the straight jacket, he gets out and rides the horse around..and then gets zapped, and runs away? What the heck is that?

[tomahawk kid]

I also didn't get the whole "Scarecrow" thing. Was Dr Crane "Scarecrow"? How come after he was put in the straight jacket, he gets out and rides the horse around..and then gets zapped, and runs away? What the heck is that?

The ONLY thing that I could complain about "Begins" in that the Scarecrow character was rather hollow and not fully fleshed out. Given that it was already a 2 hr 17 minute affair, I'm sure Nolan didn't feel like he had time to go in depth into Crane's origins.

Crane is the Scarecrow. He was let out of Arkham by Ghul's men posing as a SWAT team.

[Saulbadguy]

Gotcha. So its safe to assume that Scarecrow is still around, right?

[tomahawk kid]

Gotcha. So its safe to assume that Scarecrow is still around, right?

Yeah. I think Nolan stated in an interview, that he felt the biggest drawback to the Burton / Shuemaker films was that they always killed the villains.

[Raiderhater]

3. There will be another Batman film with Bale in it. Probably to "remake" or just "re-do" the 1989 Batman, to stay true to the comics. I can't wait.


That is my speculation with the way this one ended. And hope that is what they do, so long as they bring Nicholson back as the Joker.


Great movie, it delivered on all the hype. And I can't think of the last time a film did that (for me anyway). Spiderman has been replaced as the best super hero movie out there.

[Saulbadguy]

Spiderman has been replaced as the best super hero movie out there.
My buddies and I were discussing this over lunch yesterday. Also..what other super hero movies could they make, or re-make?

I think we are in dire need of a Captain America re-make.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458339/

Looks like they may be working on one wow.

How about Iron Man? Silver Surfer? SHAZAM?

[Raiderhater]

My buddies and I were discussing this over lunch yesterday. Also..what other super hero movies could they make, or re-make?

I think we are in dire need of a Captain America re-make.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458339/

Looks like they may be working on one wow.

How about Iron Man? Silver Surfer? SHAZAM?


Well, they are working on the new Superman already, between that, Batman, and Spiderman, I'm content for the time being.

I can't decide if the Fantastic Four is going to be worth seeing at the theater or not......

[Saulbadguy]

I can't decide if the Fantastic Four is going to be worth seeing at the theater or not......
Jessica Alba.

[Demonpenz]

is it me or it does katie holmes mouth look like she's lost control of one side of her mouth

[Saulbadguy]

is it me or it does katie holmes mouth look like she's lost control of one side of her mouth
Heh. Apparently she won't be in the next Batman. WB was pissed at her for announcing her engagement to Tom Cruise (or something like that), therefore taking away attention from the movie. :rolleyes:

[Brock]

That is my speculation with the way this one ended. And hope that is what they do, so long as they bring Nicholson back as the Joker.


Ain't gonna happen.

[Demonpenz]

i can't wait for the live action ace and gary movie

[Raiderhater]

Jessica Alba.

That is reason enough to see it, but is it reason enough to pay the big screen prices?

[Raiderhater]

Ain't gonna happen.


I know. But it would be cool.

[duncan_idaho]

tomahawk,

doesn't batman later (unknowingly) father a child with Talia, al-ghul's daughter?

Oh, and Katie Holmes has always tended to only use one side of her face. Part of that "girl-next-door" charm...

Does anybody else want a Green Lantern movie as badly as I do?

[munkey]

:hmmm:

aquaman... (http://www.eskimo.com/~tegan/aqua/)

[tomahawk kid]

tomahawk,

doesn't batman later (unknowingly) father a child with Talia, al-ghul's daughter?

Oh, and Katie Holmes has always tended to only use one side of her face. Part of that "girl-next-door" charm...

Does anybody else want a Green Lantern movie as badly as I do?

Don't remember Wayne ever fathering any children. Most of my readership fell from '85-'93, but I don't remember a story line ever mentioning that.........

[siberian khatru]

Does anybody else want a Green Lantern movie as badly as I do?

Yes. The Hal Jordan saga would be awesome.

[Wallcrawler]

This movie is the best Batman movie ever made.

The only Batman I ever really thought anything of was the first one, but it didnt really do a whole lot for me. Jack Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker was absolutely stellar though.

I really cant believe how much of this Im seeing currently, that people want him brought back for a new sequel to play the Joker again. Do you people realise how effing OLD Jack Nicholson is? Come on.

The previous four films did more to ruin the characters than actually do them credit. A continuity error that has always baffled me was the fact that Harvey Dent is played in the first film by Billy Dee Williams (black guy), but then in Batman Forever, Harvey Dent is played by Tommy Lee Jones (white guy). That always irritated me.

Bane, one of Batman's most vicious and calculating enemies who was actually able to get the best of the Dark Knight in the books and break his back (Batman #497, Knightfall part 11: The Breaking of the Batman) was reduced to a ridiculous bumbling minion of Poison Ivy in the fourth film.

Its like they picked up the comics, looked at the pretty pictures, but didnt read a damned word of the story. They just took the character likeness, and put their own story/personality to it and just completely ruined it.


The thing I liked most about this movie is that it had ZERO cheese factor that the previous movies threw at us by the truckload. No ridiculous villains running around decked out in the extravagant colors that represents the villain that they work for. Everything in this film is fleshed out, fully explained, and seems fairly plausible.


This is the Batman film that fans of the books have been waiting for. The previous four films that were made are a complete joke when compared next to Batman Begins. The lead in to the next movie was outstanding.

I finally got around to going to see it, because I was reading good things about it. I hadnt planned on seeing it at all due to the horrific experiences of the past few movies, but in the end I was really glad I took the trip to the theater. Its the best movie Ive seen thusfar this year.

[tomahawk kid]

This movie is the best Batman movie ever made.

The only Batman I ever really thought anything of was the first one, but it didnt really do a whole lot for me. Jack Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker was absolutely stellar though.

I really cant believe how much of this Im seeing currently, that people want him brought back for a new sequel to play the Joker again. Do you people realise how effing OLD Jack Nicholson is? Come on.

The previous four films did more to ruin the characters than actually do them credit. A continuity error that has always baffled me was the fact that Harvey Dent is played in the first film by Billy Dee Williams (black guy), but then in Batman Forever, Harvey Dent is played by Tommy Lee Jones (white guy). That always irritated me.

Bane, one of Batman's most vicious and calculating enemies who was actually able to get the best of the Dark Knight in the books and break his back (Batman #497, Knightfall part 11: The Breaking of the Batman) was reduced to a ridiculous bumbling minion of Poison Ivy in the fourth film.

Its like they picked up the comics, looked at the pretty pictures, but didnt read a damned word of the story. They just took the character likeness, and put their own story/personality to it and just completely ruined it.


The thing I liked most about this movie is that it had ZERO cheese factor that the previous movies threw at us by the truckload. No ridiculous villains running around decked out in the extravagant colors that represents the villain that they work for. Everything in this film is fleshed out, fully explained, and seems fairly plausible.


This is the Batman film that fans of the books have been waiting for. The previous four films that were made are a complete joke when compared next to Batman Begins. The lead in to the next movie was outstanding.

I finally got around to going to see it, because I was reading good things about it. I hadnt planned on seeing it at all due to the horrific experiences of the past few movies, but in the end I was really glad I took the trip to the theater. Its the best movie Ive seen thusfar this year.

I had forgotten about the appearance of Bane in 4th film. That was a complete waste.

If they can make a sequal to "Begins" w/ the Joker that holds true to the sentiments in this film, we are all in for a treat.

[Reaper16]

I loved it. The only question I had after the film was over was "Who do I want to make out with more: Michael Caine or Morgan Freeman?"

[Sure-Oz]

I saw this just last week and am going this week with a friend to see it again, best out of all of them by far, i probably enjoyed this more than SW's.

[HC_Chief]

Saw it this weekend.... <i>very</i> good. Batman Begins is easily the best Batman movie :thumb:

So good, in fact, that ignoring the Tim Burton films (and that one uber-gay abortion of a Batman movie) is easily accomplished... not unlike ignoring the goofy spoof Batman television series from the 60s/70s.

I look forward to the sequel.

[ChiefsOne]

I saw it Saturday night, I was expecting it to be good, but was actually surprised how good it really was. Just a great flick all around, no faults. I can't remember the last time everyone was clapping at the end of the film.

Excited to see the next one.

Best movie of the year and will be hard to beat it!

[HC_Chief]

FYI: Paul Bettany is rumored to be on the short list to play The Joker in the sequel. IMHO he would be a brilliant choice! :)

<a href="http://imdb.com/name/nm0079273/">IMDB Paul Bettany filmography</a>

<img src="http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/88/56/12m.jpg">

[siberian khatru]

Saw it Sunday. It met my high expectations. Can't wait for the next one.

It dumped a lot on the table setting everything up -- the characters, the backstory, etc. Kind of like the first X-Men movie, which I also liked a lot.

However, I liked X-2 even more, because I thought it had more room for the characters and the story to breathe. I expect a similiar development from the next Batman movie.

[Sure-Oz]

I just hope they stick with the same plan as they did the first, keep it at that level, i am going to see it again hopefully tomorrow or wed.

[BIG_DADDY]

We saw this yesterday. Great film. I would highly recommend seeing it. Way, way, way better than the other Batman movies.

[CoMoChief]

I tought the Joker killed Bruce's parents in the first Michael Keaton film.

In this current movie, it was some crook waiting outside the opera hall. Is that going to be the new Joker or what, I'm kind of confused. I never read any of the comics so I can't really verify on how much the Batmans of the last 10 years have ****ed up the books plot, other than the shit tons of cheezy lines, characters they gave us.

[Wallcrawler]

I tought the Joker killed Bruce's parents in the first Michael Keaton film.

A liberty taken by the writer. They also KILLED the Joker in that movie, which hasnt happened in the books yet either.

In this current movie, it was some crook waiting outside the opera hall. Is that going to be the new Joker or what, I'm kind of confused.

No. You must have missed the part where Joe Chill was shot and killed outside the courtroom as Bruce waited with his gun to kill him and avenge his parents.

Joe Chill was just another dimestore thug that killed Bruce's parents. He never became anything more than that.


The Joker twist in Tim Burton's Batman was just something they put in to try to make the movie interesting.


I never read any of the comics so I can't really verify on how much the Batmans of the last 10 years have ****ed up the books plot, other than the shit tons of cheezy lines, characters they gave us.

Disregard every Batman movie ever made prior to this one. Clear your mind of them. Start from scratch, and go by this movie, because this one got it right.

The one nitpick is that Ra's Al Ghul did not train Bruce Wayne. But that is easily overlooked considering the manner in which it was done.

[Raiderhater]

A liberty taken by the writer. They also KILLED the Joker in that movie, which hasnt happened in the books yet either.


I have read other wise. I have never read the books myself, but it is my understanding that Joker was finally killed. Batman started the job, and Joker finished it himself when Batman couldn't/wouldn't. Of course that may be in a story line that is not in continuity, so we could just be on different pages here, so to speak. :)

[tomahawk kid]

I have read other wise. I have never read the books myself, but it is my understanding that Joker was finally killed. Batman started the job, and Joker finished it himself when Batman couldn't/wouldn't. Of course that may be in a story line that is not in continuity, so we could just be on different pages here, so to speak. :)

That must have happened very recently, if true.

The only instance that I can think of in which Batman ALMOST killed the Joker was after the Joker shot / killed the second Robin (Jason Todd)

As stated above, I too can't reiterate enough how everyone should completely forget the Burton / Shoemaker films. THIS movie gets it right and is the complete essence of the books / comics

[Raiderhater]

That must have happened very recently, if true.

The only instance that I can think of in which Batman ALMOST killed the Joker was after the Joker shot / killed the second Robin (Jason Todd)

As stated above, I too can't reiterate enough how everyone should completely forget the Burton / Shoemaker films. THIS movie gets it right and is the complete essence of the books / comics

This is what I found in a search. It is from The Dark Knight Returns storyline......

As Batman and Robin are breaking up a robbery, something is moving very fast through Gotham City - faster than a speeding bullet. As Superman interferes, and ruins, Batman's operation, Batman tells him to meet him tomorrow. As a result of Batman's defeat of the Mutants, the young members of the gang have turned to become vigilantes, fighting evil. Meanwhile, the Joker has arranged for a little mayhem, and, while nearly killing Robin, he does manage to kill quite a few innocents.

The next morning, Clark is meeting Bruce, explaining that if he doesn't stop his crusade, that he will be ordered to bring him in. Bruce warns him that he will fight Superman if he has too. Before Clark can reply, he learns that US forces have just engage Soviet forces, which means he must leave to help the US win.

The Joker, with an accomplice, are planning something big. Yindel is prepared, eager to keep the Joker from escaping from his public appearance. This also appears, to her, to be an excellent opportunity to apprehend Batman. As the Joker's accomplice sends off a doll filled with some sinister purpose, Batman and Robin move towards the TV station. Batman plans on a showdown with the police - he expects that his reputation, as well as the older police that will remember him, should guarantee his safety. He's wrong...

As Batman descends toward the building, the police open fire. After the tear gas is set off, Yindel orders the police to rush Batman. After one officer questions the order, Yindel replies, "He's twice your age, boy. Find the nerve." Meanwhile, during the Joker's interview, he announces that he is about to kill everyone in the room (about two hundred people). The doll is filled with the Joker's smiling poison, and he does kill everyone in the room. And Batman manages to fend off the police (leaving twelve hospitalized), and escapes with Robin. The Joker escapes, and shows up at Selina Kyle's. He is interested in one of Selina's call girl's guests... a Senator. Whatever he does, it induces the Senator to jump off a building. An officer, O'Halloran, asks Yindel about the situation. After he leaves her, O'Halloran shows up. Yindel realizes that she was just standing next to Batman, and orders the police after him. Batman and Robin escape to Kyle's apartment, where he finds a beat up Selina. Robin discovers a cone of cotton candy, and Batman realizes that the Joker is about to kill thousands at the county fair. Batman asks himself, "How many more - until I finally do it?" (meaning until he kills the Joker).

As Batman and Robin go to leave the building, the police show up. Batman reminisces about how Jim used to be like this. He also remember how Jim used to warn him "...you told me that I break too many of the important rules... that I've made too many of the wrong enemies... that, for all my tricks... I've been getting by on luck... it's all a game of odds, you said.. all it will take is one bullet." And suddently Robin's strap holding her to the hang-glider breaks, and she falls. As Batman holds her, he keeps muttering "Good Soldier. Good Soldier." Yindel realizes that Robin is a kid, and orders the charge of child endangerment added to the arrest warrant for Batman. However, Batman and Robin have escaped yet agin.

As Superman is assiting the US forces in the war against the Soviets, he recalls Bruce's retirement. He remembers the problems with the FBI, the trouble with Oliver (Queen - Green Arrow). He recalls that to Bruce, his crusade is a holy war. The agreement with the government was that Batman retire, Superman give his obedience and invisibility, and they let them all live. Batman and Robin arrive at the fair too late - already dozens of children have died at the Joker's hands. As Robin sees so many dead (probably including some of her friends), she is shocked. Batman swears to the Joker that "it ends, tonigh." Batman remembers that "there's nothing wrong with you that I can't fix with my hands..."

Batman chases the Joker, and gets shot. But he carries on, realizing that this might be his end; but that might be worth it, just to stop the Joker forever... As the Joker stabs him, Batman makes the decision - he breaks the Joker's neck, but doesn't kill him. The Joker tells Batman how disappointed he is - how Batman didn't have the nerve to finish him off, instead of paralyzing him. So the Joker twists his neck further, until he dies, laughing hysterically. The police are closing in on Batman, and he is slowly dying, with everything getting cold and dark.

http://www.darkknight.ca/dknight.html

[donkhater]

FYI: Paul Bettany is rumored to be on the short list to play The Joker in the sequel. IMHO he would be a brilliant choice! :)

<a href="http://imdb.com/name/nm0079273/">IMDB Paul Bettany filmography</a>

<img src="http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/88/56/12m.jpg">
Personally, I think Jude Law would make a terrific Joker.

[deadbabyseal]

[QUOTE=raiderhader]This is what I found in a search. It is from The Dark Knight Returns storyline......



The Dark Knight returns was set when Batman was in his 50's, about 20 years or so after he retired.

[Raiderhater]

[QUOTE=raiderhader]This is what I found in a search. It is from The Dark Knight Returns storyline......



The Dark Knight returns was set when Batman was in his 50's, about 20 years or so after he retired.



Soooo...... you're telling me that this storyline is not in continuity?

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

How about Bud Bundy?

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/88/86/38m.jpg

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

Or Ryan Phillipe?

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/18/23/48m.jpg

[kc rush]

This movie rocked. Probably the best superhero movie I've ever seen.

[cdcox]

I just watched this on DVD. Definitely the best Batman ever and maybe the best Super Hero film ever. I loved the darkness, the depth of the back story, and the whole mood of the film. Sequals could be good, but I doubt they could live up to this one. One reason why sequals are seldom as good as the original is that in the original, you get the thrill of learning about this make believe place, what its rules are, and how the characters interact with it. The orignial usually lays all of that out, leaving little territory for the sequal to explore. This one may leave more territory than most sequals, as we (may) get to see the pimping out of the BatCave, the beginnings of Robin, and the development of the classic villians.

[KCChiefsMan]

I just watched Batman Begins tonight, the best movie I've seen in a while! 2 thumbs up!!! it kicked a$$!!!!

[Anyong Bluth]

like many have said here before, best superhero movie ever, in my opinion, and one of the best films period of the last couple years. EXTREMELY STRONG.

[OldTownChief]

Are you people just now see..., opps, nevermind.

[tomahawk kid]

I just watched this on DVD. Definitely the best Batman ever and maybe the best Super Hero film ever. I loved the darkness, the depth of the back story, and the whole mood of the film. Sequals could be good, but I doubt they could live up to this one. One reason why sequals are seldom as good as the original is that in the original, you get the thrill of learning about this make believe place, what its rules are, and how the characters interact with it. The orignial usually lays all of that out, leaving little territory for the sequal to explore. This one may leave more territory than most sequals, as we (may) get to see the pimping out of the BatCave, the beginnings of Robin, and the development of the classic villians.

I agree, but it seems that things always get a bit campy when you add Robin into the mix.

I've always thought the "Boy Wonder" dampened the "Dark Knight" persona of the early Batman character / the Frank Miller novels. "Begins" captures that essence of "the Knight" perfectly.

My feeling on this probably has something to do with Schumaker's trainwreck Batman movies . I think they permanently made me averse to the Robin character.