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KChiefs1
06-27-2005, 10:51 AM
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Law lingers
CB hasn't found right offer, health questions loom
Posted: Monday June 27, 2005 12:39PM; Updated: Monday June 27, 2005 12:49PM


As we enter the real offseason (when only hard-liners like Tom Brady will be working out at facilities now -- and I'm not kidding about that one), here's my question of the month: Where's Ty Law going to play this year?

"I'm going to be the best cornerback in football this year,'' Law told me the other night, from his home in Aliquippa, Pa., after returning from a workout with the Jaguars. "I'm just not sure where that's going to be yet.''

The next three weeks are going to be absolutely dead in footballville. BillBelichick will be on his beloved Nantucket. Brian Billick disappears to the wilds of Minnesota. Bill Parcells goes to the barns at Saratoga Race Course at dawn. Fred-ExMitchell's going to Brazil. And so on. Coaches will start filtering back to work between July 18 and July 25. (This column will take the next three weeks off too, and reappear July 25, the day I leave on my 17-day training-camp odyssey.) Until then, not much will happen in the NFL. Except some teams will flirt with Ty Law.

"I'm still the best out there until someone proves he's better,'' he said.

Well, that's debatable. Highly debatable. Last time we saw Law, he was limping off the field in Pittsburgh on Halloween afternoon with a serious foot injury. He had suffered a fracture in his left foot, which healed by late in the season, but also had a Lisfranc ligament sprain, which didn't heal and which Law claims was not diagnosed by the Patriots medical staff. It wasn't until he went to see Dr. Mark Myerson, one of the country's foremost foot and ankle specialists (he operated on Terrell Owens after T.O.'s ankle injury last season), that Law learned he had the ligament sprain. "If it had been diagnosed on time,'' Law told me, "I'd have been ready for someone's minicamp. But now I'm about 85 percent and I know I'll be fine for training camp.''

The question is where. "I had a good workout in Jacksonville,'' he said. "They told me, 'Play corner,' and I went and did all the drills -- plant, cut, do every angle you can possibly do, sprint. I was fine. Now Miami wants me to come back and visit. But if you can't afford Patrick Surtain [who was dealt to Kansas City in April], how can you afford me? The Jets are interested. Kansas City called again. Tampa Bay faxed an offer. Indianapolis is in it. I got an offer, sight unseen for $2.5 million for one year. If I wasn't ready, I'd just take it. But I'm going to be ready to play and that's not the kind of contract I should get. Before they signed Surtain, the Chiefs gave me, like, a $42 million offer. But it was structured so bad that I'd probably only make $10 million before they'd cut me. So I didn't do it.''

But making a judgment on Law now is difficult. One coach of an interested team told me, "I want to wait to see what he looks like right before camp, if he's still on the street, before we commit to making him an offer. He's 31, coming off a major injury, and he's still not 100 percent. If we do anything, it won't be for a lot of money.''

In fact, this coach told me (and this is a coach who needs a corner) his team would probably offer Law only the minimum. But will any team out there offer Law, say, $6 million to sign, as part of a four-year, backloaded, heavily incentived deal? I think that's what would be fair if and only if you trust him to give you a couple of healthy years.

Two things I had to ask Law about: his weight, and his relationship with Belichick, whom Law called a liar last year when the Patriots didn't give him the contract he felt was fair.

I told Law there were people in the NFL world who were worried that he'd gotten fat from all his inactivity. "I heard that,'' he said. "You know, I went six months non-weight-bearing. (Meaning he couldn't put any weight on his foot.) I usually report to camp at 200 and play at around 205. Being non-weight-bearing, I was probably on the plus side of 220, but I never weighed myself. Who's not going to gain some weight when you can't put any weight on your leg for half a year? I was bedridden, basically. Come on. I can't recall an offseason where my weight didn't go up anyway, and I never was overweight entering training camp.''

On Belichick: "We have a good relationship. When I saw him at our Super Bowl ceremony a couple of weeks ago, we shook hands. We hugged. I have no bitterness whatsoever toward Bill Belichick. He was great for my career. When it's all said and done, I was a great player before he got to the Patriots, but we worked together and won three Super Bowls together. I think what happened last year was the business side of football. The Patriots had one idea of how much I should make, and I had another idea. You can't blame a team for trying to cut a player's pay, but you can't blame a player either for not letting it happen. Sometimes business gets emotional. You put your heart and soul into something, and some team doesn't want to pay you what you're supposed to make, and it hurts. But we got over it. We squashed everything in training camp, forgot about it, and moved on. After the season, I asked for my release, and I respect Bill for giving it to me. He could have waited. Lots of players have to wait till June, but Bill released me and let me go about my business. I will have a good relationship with Bill when football is over.''

The Law I talked with for 45 minutes the other day was eager to prove a lot of people wring, but I noted after the call that he said a couple of times he didn't want go somewhere just to be able to beat the Patriots. He wants to play for a contender, but he also wants to be paid. It'll be interesting to see if anyone forks over a bonus, or if Law will have to sign a one-year deal and prove he deserves real money in 2006. I expect we'll have an answer by a month from today, when the training camp doors open leaguewide.


FACTOID THAT MAY ONLY INTEREST ME
Undergraduate classes at the University of Florida ended on April 20. That was 69 days ago. Yesterday, the Florida baseball team played in the final game of the College World Series championship series in Omaha.

Since the academic year ended, the team has played 34 games.

I wonder if any kid on the baseball team -- especially a non-starter -- has brought up the schedule is totally insane. They've been playing baseball for almost 10 weeks since classes ended, and it's impossible for the players to get a summer job or internship (isn't that what college is designed to set you up for between semesters?) because classes start back up in less than two months.

Does anyone at the NCAA monitor these schedules that allow the College World Series to be played until the week before the July 4th holiday?

QUOTE OF THE WEEK
"Ice cream? Mom, I want a chocolate mocha frappuccino instead.''
-- Montclair (N.J.) Bears third baseman Carly Goldstein, frowning at the prospect of coach King-bought ice cream instead of her beloved Starbucks product, after the Bears' unlikely comeback to win the Readington Recreation Tournament 10-and-under championship under relentless 97-degree sunshine on Sunday in Readington, N.J.

The Bears, sponsored by Sports Illustrated (what a company!), came back from 4-0 and 2-0 deficits in the quarterfinal and semifinal games earlier Sunday, then broke a 7-7 tie in the title game and beat Skylands (N.J.) 10-8 to win the first 10U tournament championship in the town's history. ("History?'' Well, we've been at it all of four years.)

I will just say this about these diminutive Bears: On Saturday and Sunday, when the high in New Jersey was 96 and 97, respectively, these kids got up at 5:45 a.m., were on a wide-open, unshaded field complex at 8, played three games a day, and didn't finish till 2:30. Our kids never once said: "It so hot out there.'' It may have helped that I told them on Saturday: "Not one word about the heat. It doesn't help.'' But since when do kids really listen? Before the last inning, when we were trying to protect a 10-8 lead, we were trying to figure out who to play at catcher. All three of our backstops were burnt to a crisp. I turned to spunky, athletic beanpole Caroline Kohl, a fair-skinned, always-smiling, retainer-wearing utility player who must weigh in at about 41 pounds. I think my ear weighs more. Her eyes were swollen and her face, even sun-screened, was bright red. The way I read it was, she was cooked. Stick a fork in her. "Can you catch one more inning?'' I said. Caroline's eyes popped open. "Yeah,'' she said, and hustled to put the shinguards on.

Like I said a couple of weeks ago in this space: Worried about the youth of America? Come see the Bears this summer. Then you won't be worried.

Carly, by the way, is the daughter of Mike from Montclair, the highly addicted Mike and the Mad Dog caller on WFAN radio in New York. She did not get the frappuccino, because she is already naturally too highly caffeinated. She had to settle for cookies and cream, with Reese's pieces sprinkled on top.

STAT OF THE WEEK
The amazing thing about the Montclair Bears' performance in the Readington tournament was the first game. Berkeley (N.J.) Barracudas 17, Bears 1. Over the next five games, the Bears got their running shoes on, winning them all and outscoring foes 65-22.

TEN THINGS
1. I think, with or without Terrell Owens, there is still ridiculous Eagles fever in Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Inquirer reports the team has 60,000 people on its season-ticket waiting list. The capacity of Lincoln Financial Field is 68,400. Which tells me that a good number of the people on the waiting list will be dead before their name comes up.

2. I think if he pushes the holdout, Owens will be traded by Sept. 1 if the Eagles get a fair offer, or an offer that gives them a useable receiver and a high draft choice. If that doesn't happen, he'll sit. The Eagles will take the medicine.

3. I think I can't believe Travis Henry is still a Buffalo Bill. The Bills should get a third-rounder in the 2006 draft for him from some team. Now I suspect it'll be Jacksonville if there are health or contract concerns about Fred Taylor early in training camp. The biggest problem for the Bills will be if Henry doesn't come to training camp. Then they'll lose some leverage. Teams will say, "Hey, you're not getting anything out of the guy. Why should we pay anything more than a fourth- or fifth-rounder?'' Whatever happens, now that he's waited this long, Buffalo GM Tom Donahoe has got to hang tough and make sure he gets a first-day pick for Henry.

4. I think I've softened my stance that the Saints will move to L.A. They might stay in New Orleans now, even if the Louisiana legislature doesn't come up with the $15 million it must commit to the team by July 15. Ex-Saints GM Bill Kuharich tells me that owner Tom Benson won't move the team under any circumstances. Benson told him a few years ago this wasn't a money thing. Now we'll see if it is or it isn't.

5. I think the most important thing about Ricky Williams to Dolphins coach Nick Saban is what the running back can produce in the form of a trade bait. I might be overstating that, because obviously Williams is going to have to show something good on the field to get something back in trade. If Williams plays great in November, maybe Saban won't deal him. But I think Saban looks at Williams and thinks: "Wouldn't it be great if I could trade him for the 65th pick of the draft next April?''

6. I think Nick Saban might have lost his trust in GM Rick Spielman when Spielman starting talking about how much he liked Akron quarterback CharlieFrye, and Saban remembers Frye as the guy who threw the ball into the third row of the RCA Dome bleachers at the Scouting Combine. That's what I hear, anyway.

7. I think it was interesting to read BillRhoden's column in the New York Times the other day, where he noted everyone he knew was watching the NBA Finals and wondered why the TV ratings were so microscopic for the games. Well, Bill, we live only a couple of area codes apart, and I can answer the question for you. None of my friends watch the NBA. I wish I could get into it, but I just can't. Bores the stuffing out of me.

8. I think we will all miss Myron Cope, who retired as the voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers last week. His was the most unique voice, in the history of sportscasting. Now that's taking in a lot of ground, but you know I'm right if you've heard Myron. Guys like VinScully, Johnny Most and Ernie Harwell are hugely famous for being identified with one specific team. But no voice was more important to the history of a sports franchise than Cope was to Pittsburgh. My in-laws lived there, and I can't tell you how many people in that town turned down the sound on the TV to listen to Myron. It's going to be mournful to be in Pittsburgh and not have Myron Cope to look forward to on the radio.

9. I think, however, that Tunch Ilkin, long-term, is going to be a terrific radio analyst in Pittsburgh. Insightful, tough when he has to be, and a lover of the inside of the game.

10. I think I'd like to wish everyone a happy summer. I'll be back in three weeks. See you in training camp.

HC_Chief
06-27-2005, 10:55 AM
Interesting stuff.

<i>Now Miami wants me to come back and visit. But if you can't afford Patrick Surtain [who was dealt to Kansas City in April], how can you afford me?</i> The Jets are interested. Kansas City called again. Tampa Bay faxed an offer. Indianapolis is in it. I got an offer, sight unseen for $2.5 million for one year. If I wasn't ready, I'd just take it. But I'm going to be ready to play and that's not the kind of contract I should get. Before they signed Surtain, <i>the Chiefs gave me, like, a $42 million offer. But it was structured so bad that I'd probably only make $10 million before they'd cut me. So I didn't do it.''</i>

ct
06-27-2005, 10:57 AM
Now Miami wants me to come back and visit. But if you can't afford Patrick Surtain [who was dealt to Kansas City in April], how can you afford me?

Let the Ty Law fantasies officially die.

ct
06-27-2005, 10:58 AM
Interseting stuff.

DOH!

Mr. Laz
06-27-2005, 11:02 AM
Before they signed Surtain, the Chiefs gave me, like, a $42 million offer. But it was structured so bad that I'd probably only make $10 million before they'd cut me. So I didn't do it.''

:eek:

maybe we will make an offer ... i'm more than mildly surprised that we made an offer like that for him, given his medical condition.

mlyonsd
06-27-2005, 11:03 AM
Let the Ty Law fantasies officially die.

Yup.

htismaqe
06-27-2005, 11:03 AM
Glad to see that Carl and Co. didn't throw the kitchen sink at him.

If he thinks he's going to be the highest paid CB in the league, he's out of his mind.

Wallcrawler
06-27-2005, 11:04 AM
I got an offer, sight unseen for $2.5 million for one year. If I wasn't ready, I'd just take it. But I'm going to be ready to play and that's not the kind of contract I should get. Before they signed Surtain, the Chiefs gave me, like, a $42 million offer. But it was structured so bad that I'd probably only make $10 million before they'd cut me. So I didn't do it.







Jesus tittyf'in Christ!

Wonder what the hell they were smoking offering that before he could even walk? I dont know what to make of that. I heard that Carl wasnt offering a deal before he could pass a physical. On the other hand, it does sound like a Carl Peterson type of contract.

In any case, there is NO way that Law is going to be a Chief. This guy thinks that he should get paid the kind of money we already gave to Surtain, and he wants a huge chunk of it guaranteed, even though he still has the injury questions and is 31 years old.

No way.

ct
06-27-2005, 11:07 AM
I got an offer, sight unseen for $2.5 million for one year. If I wasn't ready, I'd just take it. But I'm going to be ready to play and that's not the kind of contract I should get. Before they signed Surtain, the Chiefs gave me, like, a $42 million offer. But it was structured so bad that I'd probably only make $10 million before they'd cut me. So I didn't do it.







Jesus tittyf'in Christ!

Wonder what the hell they were smoking offering that before he could even walk? I dont know what to make of that. I heard that Carl wasnt offering a deal before he could pass a physical. On the other hand, it does sound like a Carl Peterson type of contract.

In any case, there is NO way that Law is going to be a Chief. This guy thinks that he should get paid the kind of money we already gave to Surtain, and he wants a huge chunk of it guaranteed, even though he still has the injury questions and is 31 years old.

No way.

So, according to Law, we offered a nice looking overall contract, but so crazy in CYA backloads that he'd have seen little of it. That's prolly the best he'll get from us, and he's obviously not interested.

Hoover
06-27-2005, 11:16 AM
Um they can afford you now since Surtain is off their books.

I say the Chiefs should risk it, say, hey, we will give you the same 42mil deal. I think the 10 mil number is all a team will pay him anyway, then he can go around saying he got 42 mil.

Kylo Ren
06-27-2005, 11:17 AM
Let the Ty Law fantasies officially die. From Dumb and Dumber: So you're saying there's a chance!!!

jspchief
06-27-2005, 11:21 AM
Can Someone call Athan and get clarification on what the "right price" is?

htismaqe
06-27-2005, 11:21 AM
Um they can afford you now since Surtain is off their books.

I say the Chiefs should risk it, say, hey, we will give you the same 42mil deal. I think the 10 mil number is all a team will pay him anyway, then he can go around saying he got 42 mil.

I'm guessing that contract was offered prior to our spending spree. We can't afford a $10M guaranteed contract now.

jspchief
06-27-2005, 11:22 AM
Um they can afford you now since Surtain is off their books.

I say the Chiefs should risk it, say, hey, we will give you the same 42mil deal. I think the 10 mil number is all a team will pay him anyway, then he can go around saying he got 42 mil.You don't understand the salary cap, do you?

King_Chief_Fan
06-27-2005, 11:23 AM
Law is the T.O. of cb's.
pay me........!!!!!!!!!!!!!

htismaqe
06-27-2005, 11:23 AM
Um they can afford you now since Surtain is off their books.

I say the Chiefs should risk it, say, hey, we will give you the same 42mil deal. I think the 10 mil number is all a team will pay him anyway, then he can go around saying he got 42 mil.

By the way, I'm pretty sure he meant that the Dolphins didn't want to pay Surtain and let him go. And that if they didn't want to pay Surtain, there's no way they'll want to pay him because he wants more.

shaneo69
06-27-2005, 11:25 AM
"Before they signed Surtain, the Chiefs gave me, like, a $42 million offer. But it was structured so bad that I'd probably only make $10 million before they'd cut me. So I didn't do it."

I dont know what to make of that. I heard that Carl wasnt offering a deal before he could pass a physical.


The title of this thread should be "Carl exposed as a liar once again"

Hoover
06-27-2005, 11:26 AM
You don't understand the salary cap, do you?
Um, no and neither do any of us.

I'm saying be creative, and give it a shot. Thats all.

jspchief
06-27-2005, 11:29 AM
The title of this thread should be "Carl exposed as a liar once again"1. That's assuming Law isn't lying now
2. What did Carl lie about now?

ct
06-27-2005, 11:30 AM
From Dumb and Dumber: So you're saying there's a chance!!!

Heh, nice!

By the way, I'm pretty sure he meant that the Dolphins didn't want to pay Surtain and let him go. And that if they didn't want to pay Surtain, there's no way they'll want to pay him because he wants more.

This is my interpretation also.

shaneo69
06-27-2005, 11:31 AM
Law is the T.O. of cb's.
pay me........!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was thinking of Ross Verba.

TEX
06-27-2005, 11:35 AM
Law is the T.O. of cb's.
pay me........!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep - only he's not the best CB in the league. He seems to forget that the Pats made him the highest paid CB in the league by a large margin at one time. There's no way he even gets close to that this time since he's coming of an severe injury - but he believes that he should be paid as much as a CB like Surtain? Only T.O. could understand that one. :hmmm:

I've been saying JUST SAY NO TO LAW the whole time. Hopefully the CHIEFS feel the same way.

Hoover
06-27-2005, 11:37 AM
I think this is good news for the Chiefs.

The entire NFL is laughing at his Contract demands. At least the Chiefs in the past showed him some respect with a decent contract. I think this is one of those guys you sign to a one year deal so that he can prove himself.

htismaqe
06-27-2005, 11:37 AM
The title of this thread should be "Carl exposed as a liar once again"

Because we all know Ty Law is a man of his word. :rolleyes:

shaneo69
06-27-2005, 11:44 AM
1. That's assuming Law isn't lying now
2. What did Carl lie about now?


Carl might've mentioned once or twice or ten times that he wouldn't make Law an offer until he was healthy enough to work out for them.

Yeah, I guess Law could conceivably be making up those details of the Chiefs offer. But CP's made an ass of himself so often in these "he said-she said" contract-offer dramas that I would be willing to bet the ranch that this offer was made.

alpha_omega
06-27-2005, 11:45 AM
...The Law I talked with for 45 minutes the other day was eager to prove a lot of people wring,...

Not only does Peter King suck, so does his Editor!

TRR
06-27-2005, 11:53 AM
I don't want Law for anything more than vets minimum. He's only in it for the money, and I have my doubts as to whether he'll even play this season. You can run around in shorts all you want, but until the pads come on, and someone cut blocks you going full speed, that's when everyone will know if Law is healthy.

Sounds like an injured, aging vet wanting 1 more contract to set his family and friends up for the rest of their lives.

jspchief
06-27-2005, 11:54 AM
Yeah, I guess Law could conceivably be making up those details of the Chiefs offer. But CP's made an ass of himself so often in these "he said-she said" contract-offer dramas that I would be willing to bet the ranch that this offer was made.
Isn't Law's agent Carl Poston?

Compared to The Postons, Carl Peterson looks like the virgin Mary when it comes to bullsh*t and contract talks.

My guess is it was something less machiavellian though. The Chiefs probably opened talks with Poston and I'm sure some numbers were at least discussed to gauge interest from either side. Poston was probably given a "starting point" type number from the Chiefs, and he in turn gave it to Law to make it look like he was super agent.

htismaqe
06-27-2005, 11:56 AM
Isn't Law's agent Carl Poston?

Compared to The Postons, Carl Peterson looks like the virgin Mary when it comes to bullsh*t and contract talks.

My guess is it was something less machiavellian though. The Chiefs probably opened talks with Poston and I'm sure some numbers were at least discussed to gauge interest from either side. Poston was probably given a "starting point" type number from the Chiefs, and he in turn gave it to Law to make it look like he was super agent.

Oh come on now. All you're doing now is rationalizing. You're a Carl-lover aren't you?

jspchief
06-27-2005, 12:00 PM
Oh come on now. All you're doing now is rationalizing. You're a Carl-lover aren't you?What can I say? I love his draft picks. :)

jAZ
06-27-2005, 12:03 PM
Is there any doubt that this quote was from Dick Vermeil?
One coach of an interested team told me, "I want to wait to see what he looks like right before camp, if he's still on the street, before we commit to making him an offer. He's 31, coming off a major injury, and he's still not 100 percent. If we do anything, it won't be for a lot of money.''

In fact, this coach told me (and this is a coach who needs a corner) his team would probably offer Law only the minimum.

Mile High Mania
06-27-2005, 12:14 PM
I didn't notice if this was already posted, but what did KC give Surtain? Sounds like that is the starting point based on Law's slight jab... I think he'll end up in Jax.

beavis
06-27-2005, 12:21 PM
You know, I went six months non-weight-bearing. (Meaning he couldn't put any weight on his foot.)
Does he really think going around saying this kind of stuff is going to help him land a fat contract?

KChiefs1
06-27-2005, 12:21 PM
I got an offer, sight unseen for $2.5 million for one year. If I wasn't ready, I'd just take it. But I'm going to be ready to play and that's not the kind of contract I should get.

$2.5 million for one year? I don't think the Chiefs can afford that right now & Law says it's below him anyway. I think this effectively ends the Ty Law to KC talk. :shake:

shaneo69
06-27-2005, 12:24 PM
The Chiefs probably opened talks with Poston and I'm sure some numbers were at least discussed to gauge interest from either side. Poston was probably given a "starting point" type number from the Chiefs, and he in turn gave it to Law to make it look like he was super agent.

I agree with you....that's probably what happened. I have no problem with that. Would any Chief fan have a problem with that if Carl had admitted that they started talking numbers with Law's agent, and the Chiefs came up with some numbers that they thought were fair, based on the fact that he wasn't able to work out yet and they didn't know at what point he'd be able to play in the 2005 season, but Law wanted to wait because he thought he could get more money when he was healthier and able to work out?

But what we got from Carl was that the Chiefs weren't talking contract with him yet because he was still riding around in a Rascal at the time.

Now it makes it look like Peterson was lying. I just hope Teicher asks him about it. I'm sure his response would be classic CP.

Mr. Laz
06-27-2005, 12:29 PM
Now it makes it look like Peterson was lying. .


carl lie.... surely thou jest

Chiefnj
06-27-2005, 12:31 PM
Of all the times to criticize CP, the summer of 2005 isn't the one. He added some huge free agents, and had a solid day 1 of the draft. The fact that they were and still might be interested in Law is great. Who the hell cares if he made a formal offer or not?

If Carl were to treat every offseason like this past year, he can lie all he wants about negotiations.

KCTitus
06-27-2005, 12:36 PM
Is there any team, seriously, that could afford 10M guaranteed at this point in the year?

I guess it's possible, but at this point, 3 weeks from TC, most of the teams have spent their $$.

shaneo69
06-27-2005, 12:39 PM
Is there any team, seriously, that could afford 10M guaranteed at this point in the year?

I guess it's possible, but at this point, 3 weeks from TC, most of the teams have spent their $$.

If you're implying that Ty's on crack, you are correct.

Hoover
06-27-2005, 12:45 PM
Is there any team, seriously, that could afford 10M guaranteed at this point in the year?

I guess it's possible, but at this point, 3 weeks from TC, most of the teams have spent their $$.
I think he will also want to play for someone who wiull be good this year you has a need at CB.

That means Indy, Jax, Steelers and Jets to me as well as the Chiefs.

What Kind of Space do the above treams have?

shaneo69
06-27-2005, 12:47 PM
Is there any team, seriously, that could afford 10M guaranteed at this point in the year?

I guess it's possible, but at this point, 3 weeks from TC, most of the teams have spent their $$.


This article from Clayton says that the biggest contract given out in May or June of this year has been $1.5 mil to Shelton. Boulware, Verba, and Law still think they can do better. We'll see.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2092239&num=0

Chiefnj
06-27-2005, 12:50 PM
I don't know how accurate his numbers are, but after the draft Clayton reported some teams at over 9 mil - Arizona, Dallas and I think Minny. Jax had around 6 mil.

KCTitus
06-27-2005, 12:55 PM
This article from Clayton says that the biggest contract given out in May or June of this year has been $1.5 mil to Shelton. Boulware, Verba, and Law still think they can do better. We'll see.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2092239&num=0

Sounds about right...there's no way he gets 7 figures this year.

Lzen
06-27-2005, 12:56 PM
Carl might've mentioned once or twice or ten times that he wouldn't make Law an offer until he was healthy enough to work out for them.

Yeah, I guess Law could conceivably be making up those details of the Chiefs offer. But CP's made an ass of himself so often in these "he said-she said" contract-offer dramas that I would be willing to bet the ranch that this offer was made.


Before they signed Surtain, the Chiefs gave me, like, a $42 million offer. But it was structured so bad that I'd probably only make $10 million before they'd cut me. So I didn't do it.''

I'm failing to see the part where it says the Chiefs were ready to sign on the dotted line before Law passed their physical. Fact is, this doesn't really say much. Need more details. You're merely speculation on something none of us knows anything about.

jAZ
06-27-2005, 12:58 PM
I don't know how accurate his numbers are, but after the draft Clayton reported some teams at over 9 mil - Arizona, Dallas and I think Minny. Jax had around 6 mil.
I think this one usually falls under the catagory of "technically correct, but totally worthless information" ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2004973

Below is the amount of money each team is under the $85.5 million salary cap for 2005 as of April 29.

TEAM-BY-TEAM SALARY CAP UPDATE
Arizona Cardinals $9.85 million
Atlanta Falcons $924,000
Baltimore Ravens $5.99 million
Buffalo Bills $1.02 million
Carolina Panthers $2.195 million
Chicago Bears $5.5 million
Cincinnati Bengals $4.796 million
Cleveland Browns $7.86 million
Dallas Cowboys $9.35 million
Denver Broncos $2.35 million
Detroit Lions $3.48 million
Green Bay Packers $4.66 million
Houston Texans $8.38 million
Indianapolis Colts $6.3 million
Jacksonville Jaguars $6.3 million
Kansas City Chiefs $900,000
Miami Dolphins $6.6 million
Minnesota Vikings $10.7 million
New England Patriots $1.96 million
New Orleans Saints $1.68 million
New York Giants $2 million
New York Jets $1.1 million
Oakland Raiders $137,000
Philadelphia Eagles $9.23 million
Pittsburgh Steelers $2.09 million
St. Louis Rams $4.42 million
San Diego Chargers $7.27 million
San Francisco 49ers $4.3 million
Seattle Seahawks $196,000
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $1.3 million
Tennessee Titans $2.09 million
Washington Redskins $1.26 million

King_Chief_Fan
06-27-2005, 01:27 PM
I think this one usually falls under the catagory of "technically correct, but totally worthless information" ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2004973

Below is the amount of money each team is under the $85.5 million salary cap for 2005 as of April 29.

TEAM-BY-TEAM SALARY CAP UPDATE
Arizona Cardinals $9.85 million
Atlanta Falcons $924,000
Baltimore Ravens $5.99 million
Buffalo Bills $1.02 million
Carolina Panthers $2.195 million
Chicago Bears $5.5 million
Cincinnati Bengals $4.796 million
Cleveland Browns $7.86 million
Dallas Cowboys $9.35 million
Denver Broncos $2.35 million
Detroit Lions $3.48 million
Green Bay Packers $4.66 million
Houston Texans $8.38 million
Indianapolis Colts $6.3 million
Jacksonville Jaguars $6.3 million
Kansas City Chiefs $900,000
Miami Dolphins $6.6 million
Minnesota Vikings $10.7 million
New England Patriots $1.96 million
New Orleans Saints $1.68 million
New York Giants $2 million
New York Jets $1.1 million
Oakland Raiders $137,000
Philadelphia Eagles $9.23 million
Pittsburgh Steelers $2.09 million
St. Louis Rams $4.42 million
San Diego Chargers $7.27 million
San Francisco 49ers $4.3 million
Seattle Seahawks $196,000
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $1.3 million
Tennessee Titans $2.09 million
Washington Redskins $1.26 million

Wouldn't it be nice to be in the place of the Charagers......pretty good team, good young players and lots of room to sign more if you need them.

Looks like the Chiefs have got some more cutting to do........How in the world are the Bronco's still under by 2.35 million?

HC_Chief
06-27-2005, 01:30 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to be in the place of the Charagers......pretty good team, good young players and lots of room to sign more if you need them.

And Marty Schottenheimer as the HC.
No thanks, been there, done that.

jAZ
06-27-2005, 01:36 PM
And Marty Schottenheimer as the HC.
No thanks, been there, done that.
San Diego is the perfect team for Marty to succeed with. They have a ton of young offensive talent at the skill positions. Something we never had in any of the years he was our HC.

Warrior5
06-27-2005, 01:39 PM
.......How in the world are the Bronco's still under by 2.35 million?

They got a "buy one, get 3 for free" deal from Cleveland.

Color Red
06-27-2005, 01:49 PM
Law is doing what old rehabbing players do trying to get one final good contract: pushing it with his mouth. I certainly wouldn't expect him to get all that he says--not at this point. We'll have to see, closer to the season, closer to whatever his "full" recovery is, and closer to what team at crunch time may need to gamble on him the most. I'd be surprised if it's KC.

KCTitus
06-27-2005, 01:51 PM
San Diego is the perfect team for Marty to succeed with. They have a ton of young offensive talent at the skill positions. Something we never had in any of the years he was our HC.

Relying on his rookie Kicker in that home playoff game was straight from 1995...yeah, he has talent, but when he opens the super secret playoff playbook, it's all about the kicker.

Hoover
06-27-2005, 01:58 PM
Didn't he visit the Steelers? I think thats where he will end up. Great Fit IMO

TRR
06-27-2005, 02:05 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to be in the place of the Charagers......pretty good team, good young players and lots of room to sign more if you need them.

Looks like the Chiefs have got some more cutting to do........How in the world are the Bronco's still under by 2.35 million?

It's all about opening up the pocket book. It doesn't matter how much money you are under or over the salary cap. There is always way to make room. What it comes down to is if the owner is willing to shell out more money in the offseason to sign FA's. The Hunt's were very generous this offseason.

Like I said, Oakland was more than half a billion over the salary cap a couple of seasons ago. They had a couple of players restructure, cut loose a couple of players, and are back to signing expensive players like Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, Charles Woodson, Lamont Jordan and Warren Sapp.

HC_Chief
06-27-2005, 02:09 PM
Relying on his rookie Kicker in that home playoff game was straight from 1995...yeah, he has talent, but when he opens the super secret playoff playbook, it's all about the kicker.

Yep. I think Marty just gets too uptight when the playoffs begin and it affects the people around him (namely, coaches and players).

San Diego should have trampled New York in that HOME playoff game. They had a better team, yet went uber-conservative and played "tight"... i.e., played not to lose, rather than playing to WIN. Typical Marty team for you.

KCTitus
06-27-2005, 02:25 PM
Yep. I think Marty just gets too uptight when the playoffs begin and it affects the people around him (namely, coaches and players).

San Diego should have trampled New York in that HOME playoff game. They had a better team, yet went uber-conservative and played "tight"... i.e., played not to lose, rather than playing to WIN. Typical Marty team for you.

At least he got to OT in that game...in that last drive, SD had 1st and 10 from SD's 22...what Marty do? 3 runs to LT--sound familiar to anyone? He settled for the FG and screwed the pooch.

1-10-NYJ 22 (6:26) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to NYJ 23 for -1 yards (92-S.Ellis).
2-11-NYJ 23 (5:43) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to NYJ 23 for no gain (72-J.Ferguson, 51-J.Vilma).
3-11-NYJ 23 (4:59) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to NYJ 22 for 1 yard (25-R.Tongue).
Timeout #2 by NYJ at 04:23.
4-10-NYJ 22 (4:23) 10-N.Kaeding 40 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-50-D.Binn, Holder-5-M.Scifres.

8 plays later...game over.

HC_Chief
06-27-2005, 02:29 PM
At least he got to OT in that game...in that last drive, SD had 1st and 10 from SD's 22...what Marty do? 3 runs to LT--sound familiar to anyone? He settled for the FG and screwed the pooch.
8 plays later...game over.

He was lucky... remember that 1st & 10 followed a horrible STUPID play by Vilma.... shot to the head on Brees. That put them in the position to score; and they <i>still</i> blew it.

The rest of the game was no better. They were utterly inept on offense - vanilla and predictable. They looked slow and indecisive. Again, trademarks of a Marty-led playoff team.

Chiefnj
06-27-2005, 02:31 PM
At least he got to OT in that game...in that last drive, SD had 1st and 10 from SD's 22...what Marty do? 3 runs to LT--sound familiar to anyone? He settled for the FG and screwed the pooch.



8 plays later...game over.


And a week later Herm Edwards did the same thing at the Pitt 25. Actually, it was worse. It was two runs and then a QB kneel for a loss of a yard.

HC_Chief
06-27-2005, 02:32 PM
And a week later Herm Edwards did the same thing at the Pitt 25. Actually, it was worse. It was two runs and then a QB kneel for a loss of a yard.

hehehe, well, he WAS a coach under Marty......

KCTitus
06-27-2005, 02:39 PM
He was lucky... remember that 1st & 10 followed a horrible STUPID play by Vilma.... shot to the head on Brees. That put them in the position to score; and they <i>still</i> blew it.

Actually, I think that was before on their 4th & goal at the 2 yard line when that happened, the pass fell incomplete, they got a first down and they scored next play. But, yeah, lucky he was...

HC_Chief
06-27-2005, 02:43 PM
Actually, I think that was before on their 4th & goal at the 2 yard line when that happened, the pass fell incomplete, they got a first down and they scored next play. But, yeah, lucky he was...

You're correct... that was for the tying score.

TEX
06-27-2005, 02:47 PM
Looks like the Chiefs have got some more cutting to do........How in the world are the Bronco's still under by 2.35 million?


They're cool with losing 3rd round picks. The trade off is well worth it. :hmmm:

htismaqe
06-27-2005, 03:45 PM
Man, I can't believe Carl lied to us.

shaneo69
06-28-2005, 09:42 AM
Man, I can't believe Carl lied to us.

I'm eagerly anticipating the retaliatory Rufus article that attempts to discredit Peter King's source for this $42 mil contract offer quote.

htismaqe
06-28-2005, 10:42 AM
I'm eagerly anticipating the retaliatory Rufus article that attempts to discredit Peter King's source for this $42 mil contract offer quote.

It's great living in a world of moral absolutes, where one never has to worry that perhaps there's an explanation that one hasn't bothered to consider.

StcChief
06-28-2005, 11:08 AM
AMF. We will see what you got somewhere else, with some other dumb owners money.

shaneo69
06-28-2005, 11:32 AM
It's great living in a world of moral absolutes, where one never has to worry that perhaps there's an explanation that one hasn't bothered to consider.

You're right. Law lied about the offer. Case closed.

htismaqe
06-28-2005, 12:03 PM
You're right. Law lied about the offer. Case closed.

Yep. Either Law lied or Carl lied. There's absolutely no chance of the truth lying somewhere in between.

shaneo69
06-28-2005, 12:31 PM
Yep. Either Law lied or Carl lied. There's absolutely no chance of the truth lying somewhere in between.


I agree. :thumb:

carlos3652
06-28-2005, 12:38 PM
I think this one usually falls under the catagory of "technically correct, but totally worthless information" ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2004973

Below is the amount of money each team is under the $85.5 million salary cap for 2005 as of April 29.

TEAM-BY-TEAM SALARY CAP UPDATE
Arizona Cardinals $9.85 million
Atlanta Falcons $924,000
Baltimore Ravens $5.99 million
Buffalo Bills $1.02 million
Carolina Panthers $2.195 million
Chicago Bears $5.5 million
Cincinnati Bengals $4.796 million
Cleveland Browns $7.86 million
Dallas Cowboys $9.35 million
Denver Broncos $2.35 million
Detroit Lions $3.48 million
Green Bay Packers $4.66 million
Houston Texans $8.38 million
Indianapolis Colts $6.3 million
Jacksonville Jaguars $6.3 million
Kansas City Chiefs $900,000
Miami Dolphins $6.6 million
Minnesota Vikings $10.7 million
New England Patriots $1.96 million
New Orleans Saints $1.68 million
New York Giants $2 million
New York Jets $1.1 million
Oakland Raiders $137,000
Philadelphia Eagles $9.23 million
Pittsburgh Steelers $2.09 million
St. Louis Rams $4.42 million
San Diego Chargers $7.27 million
San Francisco 49ers $4.3 million
Seattle Seahawks $196,000
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $1.3 million
Tennessee Titans $2.09 million
Washington Redskins $1.26 million

I hope you realized this was before the June 1st cuts... so how much do the chiefs have.... really? It looks like we need money for the rookie pool and I think we might have a chance to sign someone for a little over vets min...