World Cup 2006 - Predict the Winner

[carlos3652]

I know, I know, Soccer is for pussies blah, blah, blah... I am proud to say that I am a passionate fan for the game (especially Argentina/ Boca Juniors).

I wanted to see how many planeteers cared about soccer, yourr predictions in the upcoming World Cup (which is less than 12 months away). I will probably be going to cheer on my beloved,

Anyway, please chose your top 3 teams that are the most likely to play the finals and why - (i know the groups arent set yet for Germany and it is way to early to predict but this is a draft until the actual teams qualify and are grouped)

My top 3 in order:

Germany - Home
Brazil - Incredibe team (they own us)
Argentina (My Country / Only team from S.A. to have already qualified - by beating Brazil 3-1 I might add)

[carlos3652]

Moderator: Please edit poll for multiple choices... Im such a n00b I should have hired RainMan to do this, but I could not afford him...

[carlos3652]

Thanks for th evoters who cared lol... this thread might as well be killed...

[chiefs4me]

It won't let me pick 3...and for the record, soccer is not to well liked around here. But I like it...and thank god for it. The 3000 dollar soccer scholarship my oldest got is helping him in college....


Here are my 3 though

Spain
Mexico
USA

[Frankie]

Too early to tell.

[Ultra Peanut]

Went with Germany, though I was this close to voting for Brazil.

Oh, and technically, there will be 32 teams in the World Cup Finals. :D

[Pants]

Germany for sure. Unless Ballack goes down. I love the game as well. I picked Argentina to win it all in 2002 (you know, when they had the good squad) and was disappointed and pissed, never will pick them again.

I always root for Netherlands, but they are major choke artists, this year I will (hopefully) finally have the opportunity to cheer for the Ukrainian team.

[carlos3652]

Germany for sure. Unless Ballack goes down. I love the game as well. I picked Argentina to win it all in 2002 (you know, when they had the good squad) and was disappointed and pissed, never will pick them again.

I always root for Netherlands, but they are major choke artists, this year I will (hopefully) finally have the opportunity to cheer for the Ukrainian team.


Dude Argentina in 2002 had an OK squad... Their current team is better, yes, they were picked to win it all in 2002, but then they got in the hardest group (F). They ended up 1-1-1 only losing to England on a penalty shot and did not move on... That was crap.

[Calcountry]

I predict a lot of 1-0 games. zzzzz

[carlos3652]

Moderator that cares: Please edit poll to pick three... im sure if I was talking about something else this would have been done by now...

[DJJasonp]

By the way....in a related story....did you see in the latest FIFA rankings the US national team has moved up to #6 in the country? We're looking very good with Donovan, Beasley, and company. Our goalkeeping is solid, but I'm a bit concerned about our back line.

But should be a fun world cup....by the way, hopefully USA and Mexico will match up next week in the finals of the Gold cup. The semi match is tonight....which bring up even another topic. My friend and I consider ourselves pretty avid US soccer fans. But here's what has us ticked....the Gold cup happens approximately once a year. Pretty big event actually for soccer. But we cant get any of the games televised by an American broadcasting company. No ESPN, no fox sports, no ESPN2....nothing. I've had to hunt down sports bars that have Telefutura (a Telemundo network) to try to catch the games. Most cable companies (even here in So-Cal) dont have this channel.

And the US soccer organizations ask themselves why soccer isnt bigger in the USA or why the support isnt as big as they think it should be.....well, not televising you're national team in a yearly tournament is a something you might want to look into!

Alright...rant over.

[DJJasonp]

Whoops....#6 in the world.

[Braincase]

Whichever team has the wisdom and insight to sign Rich Scanlon.

[Pants]

I predict a lot of 1-0 games. zzzzz

I'd rather watch a 0-0 international match than any NFL match not involving Chiefs. (If the Chiefs are playing they beat out any international match unless it involves Ukraine or the words "semi" and "final")

[Ultra Peanut]

My friend and I consider ourselves pretty avid US soccer fans. But here's what has us ticked....the Gold cup happens approximately once a year. Pretty big event actually for soccer. But we cant get any of the games televised by an American broadcasting company. No ESPN, no fox sports, no ESPN2....nothing. I've had to hunt down sports bars that have Telefutura (a Telemundo network) to try to catch the games. Most cable companies (even here in So-Cal) dont have this channel.

And the US soccer organizations ask themselves why soccer isnt bigger in the USA or why the support isnt as big as they think it should be.....well, not televising you're national team in a yearly tournament is a something you might want to look into!The blame for that lies squarely on Jack Warner (the Trinidadian in charge of CONCACAF). CONCACAF sold all-language rights to the people who run Telefutura, and the costs would outweigh the benefits for ESPN or FSC to buy them.

Sucks, but it's just the Gold Cup. Nobody sends their A teams, nobody really cares too much. Doing well helps you in the rankings, but it's not a big deal.

[Ultra Peanut]

Most 0-0 or 1-0 soccer games are far superior to 35-28 football games.

[penguinz]

Germany
Brazil
France

[Pants]

Germany
Brazil
France

Germany and Brazil are the top 2, France... not so much. I also want to see how well South Korea will do without the refs' help (I'm assuming they make it).

[Ultra Peanut]

France?!

Cote D'Ivoire has a better chance than France at this point.

Actually, the NFKA Ivory Coast could make some noise.

[vailpass]

I'd rather watch a 0-0 international match than any NFL match not involving Chiefs. (If the Chiefs are playing they beat out any international match unless it involves Ukraine or the words "semi" and "final")

The NFL doesn't play matches; they are called 'games'. The fact that you would rather watch 90 minutes of little soccer guys running up and down and up and down without scoring a SINGLE goal than watch a Pittsburgh-Indianapolis game or a Packers-Vikings shootout just blows me away.
For the life of me I can't understand how anyone can sit and watch soccer. It's like one long special teams play over and over and over again except no one gets tackled.

[Ultra Peanut]

little soccer guysGooch sez, "Little?"

<img src="http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/03/96/33/5e_1_sbl.JPG" style="width: 232px; height: 400px; border: 0" alt="" />

except no one gets tackled.Tell that to Run DMB.

[penguinz]

except no one gets tackled.
You have never watched an EPL or World Cup match.

[Pants]

The NFL doesn't play matches; they are called 'games'. The fact that you would rather watch 90 minutes of little soccer guys running up and down and up and down without scoring a SINGLE goal than watch a Pittsburgh-Indianapolis game or a Packers-Vikings shootout just blows me away.
For the life of me I can't understand how anyone can sit and watch soccer. It's like one long special teams play over and over and over again except no one gets tackled.

WTF is the difference, match = game. Except game is used more often by kids when they go play in the school yard. Just because you don't understand how the game is played, doesn't mean it sucks. I heard a foreign dude bitch about Baseball once, saying that people cheer for no reason and nothing ever happens except for the rare homeruns. Clearly he had no idea what a strike, double/triple play, etc was. So your opinion is appreciated, but it'd be better for all if you just sat down and shut the f*ck up.

[Ultra Peanut]

Stuff like this (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=119180) is why soccer is fun to watch. It is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most creative, brilliant, entertaining sport on the planet.

[Rausch]

I'm sure Brazil will win yet again, but I'm pulling for the US and Germany...

[vailpass]

WTF is the difference, match = game. Except game is used more often by kids when they go play in the school yard. Just because you don't understand how the game is played, doesn't mean it sucks. I heard a foreign dude bitch about Baseball once, saying that people cheer for no reason and nothing ever happens except for the rare homeruns. Clearly he had no idea what a strike, double/triple play, etc was. So your opinion is appreciated, but it'd be better for all if you just sat down and shut the f*ck up.


The difference is this : we don't say 'match' we say 'game' in America. If you had ever played a down in your life you would never say 'match'. I didn't mean to hurt your little feelings there soccer boy; you can go and huddle up with the other 8 soccer fans in this country and I'm sure they will make you feel better.

[Pants]

The difference is this : we don't say 'match' we say 'game' in America. If you had ever played a down in your life you would never say 'match'. I didn't mean to hurt your little feelings there soccer boy; you can go and huddle up with the other 8 soccer fans in this country and I'm sure they will make you feel better.

You didn't hurt my feelings. Your stupidty and ignorance hurt my head.

[vailpass]

Gooch sez, "Little?"

<img src="http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/03/96/33/5e_1_sbl.JPG" style="width: 232px; height: 400px; border: 0" alt="" />

Tell that to Run DMB.


Yeah right. There are kickers bigger than him in the NFL. Soccer may have it's good qualities but please don't try to compare size, speed, or the viciousness of hits because for every one you can point to in soccer I can point to 200 in the NFL.

[vailpass]

You didn't hurt my feelings. Your stupidty and ignorance hurt my head.


So anyone who doesn't like soccer (99.9 % of America) is "stupid and ignorant"?

[Ultra Peanut]

There are kickers bigger than Gooch? Dude's built like a safety or OLB.

Rugby's more violent than football. Doesn't make it more fun to watch.

Go have sex with Magic Johnson.

[Pants]

So anyone who doesn't like soccer (99.9 % of America) is "stupid and ignorant"?

Did I say that?

[Ultra Peanut]

So anyone who doesn't like soccer. . . is "stupid and ignorant"?Yes.

You're mentally deficient if you can't enjoy soccer. Sorry, but hey, it's not your fault you're retarded.

[vailpass]

There are kickers bigger than Gooch? Dude's built like a safety or OLB.

Rugby's more violent than football. Doesn't make it more fun to watch.

Go have sex with Magic Johnson.

Sebastian Janokowski would kick that soccer player's ass and then rufie his girlfriend.
You thoccer people sure are thensitive. Just because someone (most everyone) can't stand your game you go to name calling and insult hurdling.

[vailpass]

Yes.

You're mentally deficient if you can't enjoy soccer. Sorry, but hey, it's not your fault you're retarded.

Oh man I just realized who you were. Never mind.

[vailpass]

Did I say that?

I honestly thought that was exactly what you said. What reason do you have for calling me "stupid and ignorant" ("I'm from the Department of Redundancy Department)? The statements I've made here were centered around the fact that I find soccer to be boring and that you don't refer to football games as 'mathces'.

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your remarks.

[Ultra Peanut]

Sebastian Janokowski would kick that soccer player's ass and then rufie his girlfriend."I AM KICKER I AM KICKER!!!!!!!"

Just because someone (most everyone) can't stand your game you go to name calling and insult hurdling.Let us go back in time...

Insult 1, 12:55 PM: "I predict a lot of 1-0 games. zzzzz"

Insult 2, 01:27 PM:

The NFL doesn't play matches; they are called 'games'. The fact that you would rather watch 90 minutes of little soccer guys running up and down and up and down without scoring a SINGLE goal than watch a Pittsburgh-Indianapolis game or a Packers-Vikings shootout just blows me away.
For the life of me I can't understand how anyone can sit and watch soccer. It's like one long special teams play over and over and over again except no one gets tackled.

Insult 3, 01:31 PM: "So your opinion is appreciated, but it'd be better for all if you just sat down and shut the f*ck up."

Oh man I just realized who you were. Never mind.No, please. Insult my "manhood" further. :D

[Frankie]

I'm rooting for Iran, U.S., England, Spain and Nigeria in that order.

[Ultra Peanut]

Okay, Iran I get. US, I get. England and Spain, well, not really specifically, but I'm sure you have reasons.

Nigeria? My curiosity gets the best of me. Do tell.

[vailpass]

"I AM KICKER I AM KICKER!!!!!!!"

Let us go back in time...

Insult 1, 12:55 PM: "I predict a lot of 1-0 games. zzzzz"

Insult 2, 01:27 PM:



Insult 3, 01:31 PM: "So your opinion is appreciated, but it'd be better for all if you just sat down and shut the f*ck up."

No, please. Insult my "manhood" further. :D

I'm not real interested in talking to you but for the record I didn't say any of the quotes you cited except for the one that says I don't understand how you could want to watch scoreless soccer over classic football matchups. What exactly did you find unsulting about that?

[Frankie]

Okay, Iran I get. US, I get. England and Spain, well, not really specifically, but I'm sure you have reasons.

Nigeria? My curiosity gets the best of me. Do tell.
Actually I was gonna say "Any African team." They just play fast and physical and usually very exciting to watch.

[Pants]

Sebastian Janokowski would kick that soccer player's ass and then rufie his girlfriend.
You thoccer people sure are thensitive. Just because someone (most everyone) can't stand your game you go to name calling and insult hurdling.

Most everyone? What do you mean by that? What defines the "excitement" in sports? For me it's the incredible skill and teamwork displayed by the individuals in order to achieve a goal (score). Football is the ultimate in teamwork (that's whay I love it), the skills though only really show when a quaterback throws an extremelly accurate pass (not saying it takes no skills to play footabll, this is relative). Yes, a good play by a reciever or a CB is also awesome to behold, it's still not as skillsful as some of the stuff we see in soccer, though. Soccer, though, has much more individual skills and much more improvisation by the team, you never know what's going to happen, and when something special happens, it's that much better (in football you have a #of options you can exploit any given play, soccer - unlimited flow of genius). If it's violence we are judging the game by, your favorite game should then be Australlian Football.

Add national pride to the mix of teamwork and individual skill and you have your perfect sport - soccer.

[Ultra Peanut]

I'm not real interested in talking to youAnd yet, this clearly marked soccer thread was surely full of people waiting to hear from someone who "can't understand how anyone can sit and watch soccer," right?

[Pants]

Actually I was gonna say "Any African team." They just play fast and physical and usually very exciting to watch.

For sure, Nigeria and Cameroon are both fun teams to watch. Taribo West with his bright green dreads was awesome to watch when he took some white boy out trying to school him.

[Frankie]

Metrolike, are you originally from Ukraine?

[Pants]

Metrolike, are you originally from Ukraine?

Yeah. Been here since '98.

[Frankie]

Yeah. Been here since '98.

Boodtieh kek domma.

[Ultra Peanut]

Most everyone? What do you mean by that?"Most everyone whose opinions I'm willing to consider in regard to this specific comment." Clearly, with something like Man U-Arsenal on a Tuesday night drawing, what, three times (or was it more?) more of a TV audience worldwide than that of the Super Bowl, "most everyone" is an unusual group.

[Ultra Peanut]

And with that, I'm going to play some NCAA 2006. It's a fun game. Not as fun as Winning Eleven 8, but... :D

[Pants]

Boodtieh kek domma.

Thanks. That's how I'm acting here. :D

[vailpass]

Most everyone? What do you mean by that?

Just what I said: most everyone in America.

Add national pride to the mix of teamwork and individual skill and you have your perfect sport - soccer.

Since when did Americans need soccer to maintain our national pride? That might be thrilling for the guy in Kenya who eats dirt for supper and has nothing else going on; it just doesn't seem to play as well in the US.

I don't see why the fact that we don't like soccer causes those of you who do to get all emotional. Why can't you just say "whatever"? That's certainly the way I feel about anyone who says they don't like football.

[Baby Lee]

Yeah right. There are kickers bigger than him in the NFL. Soccer may have it's good qualities but please don't try to compare size, speed, or the viciousness of hits because for every one you can point to in soccer I can point to 200 in the NFL.
I'd take the odds for a premiere soccer player into the NFL [except for linemen, but especially at WR, RB, QB] over an NFL player anywhere on a premiere soccer pitch.
Much like hitting a MLB fastball or manning a MLB infield, there's a foundation of athleticism with a healthy dose of specialized SKILLS.

Also, I note that they have taken to putting GPS on the midfielders for the women's nat'l team. They log 7.5+ miles in 90 minutes.

[vailpass]

I'd take the odds for a premiere soccer player into the NFL [except for linemen, but especially at WR, RB, QB] over an NFL player anywhere on a premiere soccer pitch.
Much like hitting a MLB fastball or manning a MLB infield, there's a foundation of athleticism with a healthy dose of specialized SKILLS.

Also, I note that they have taken to putting GPS on the midfielders for the women's nat'l team. They log 7.5+ miles in 90 minutes.


IMHO is no way a soccer player could walk into an NFL skill position without ever having played. Only 1% of college studs get into the league. The game is so fast, so furious, and so vicious that unless you have been preparing for it you would not be able to pick up the offense, make your body football smart, etc.

Soccer is all about endurance; most NFL players could not run for an entire soccer game due to the danger of dying form sheer boredom and lack of action (sorry, couldn't help it). The pro athletes that would probably come closest to being able to run up and down and up and down and up and down etc. etc. etc. would be NBA players.

[Pants]

...

Yeah, except you left out the "in America" part.

And about the pride, I don't think an American would feel very good if his national team was beat by a bunch of "dirt-eating Kenyans" (very well said, shows that you're not an ignorant person afterall).

And I don't care what you do or don't like, it's just not very nice to bring people down for liking a sport (your excuses, and "WTF did I EVAR say" tirades won't help).

[Baby Lee]

IMHO is no way a soccer player could walk into an NFL skill position without ever having played. Only 1% of college studs get into the league. The game is so fast, so furious, and so vicious that unless you have been preparing for it you would not be able to pick up the offense, make your body football smart, etc.

Soccer is all about endurance; most NFL players could not run for an entire soccer game due to the danger of dying form sheer boredom and lack of action (sorry, couldn't help it). The pro athletes that would probably come closest to being able to run up and down and up and down and up and down etc. etc. etc. would be NBA players.
I have no doubt that they'd get bored, because they'd never get anywhere near a position to make a difference.
Both sports take speed and skill, but in football, you run with your feet and handle the ball with your hands. People are used to that dynamic. People aren't used to manipulating objects with their feet or foreheads. The aspects of speed and scheme aside, the skill of cradling a football in your arms, or catching one on the fly are far less foreign to the average soocer player than competent dribbling, passing and shooting are to the average football player.

And from personal experience. I played soccer almost exclusively from age 7-8 on, and being from the suburbs, there are a number of the same kids year after year and you get to know them well. And some of my best friends in soccer [with sponsored travelling teams by this time] dropped out to play football come 9th grade [we didn't have a HS soccer team yet]. Those friends went on to start for, and eventually captain a piss poor team and turn it semi-respectable [back to back years at 0-10 before they got there, .500 or slightly above by their Sr. years]. One was starting MLB. Another couple were starting WRs. One returned 3 consecutive punts for a TD one homecoming game.

I knew them growing up. I knew they played soccer winter [indoor] spring and fall. I know they never talked of football until HS. And I know they turned out to be stars on the FB team in short order without much of a change in demeanor or body composition.

I also know one of them [reported by his dad when I ran into him at the grocery store], went on to play semi-pro soccer out on the coast in that league Rod Stewart ginned up in the early 90s.

[|Zach|]

Sproles was an amazing soccer player....he ended up going with football and is now in the NFL.

Aside from that I can't wait for the World Cup it is going to be fun to watch our national team go to work.

[Pants]

Sproles was an amazing soccer player....he ended up going with football and is now in the NFL.

Aside from that I can't wait for the World Cup it is going to be fun to watch our national team go to work.

For sure. I hope they end up in the same group with my fav. team. Those would be some weird feelings.

[vailpass]

Yeah, except you left out the "in America" part.

And about the pride, I don't think an American would feel very good if his national team was beat by a bunch of "dirt-eating Kenyans" (very well said, shows that you're not an ignorant person afterall).

And I don't care what you do or don't like, it's just not very nice to bring people down for liking a sport (your excuses, and "WTF did I EVAR say" tirades won't help).


If America has a "national team" (is that what the Olympic soccer team is?) I don't think many people would give a crap if they won or lost.

If you like soccer great but please don't call me ignorant because I don't care for it, because I find it boring, or because I simply don't attach any national significance to it whatsoever.
It might seem sacreligious to you but I , and most Americans, don't care whether our 'national team' wins or loses or ties 0-0. I wouldn't care if the US didn't have a team in fact I wouldn't notice. I don't know or care how often or where the World Cup is played.
This does not make me ignorant or ill-informed. It means I do not like or care about soccer.
On the other hand if you pre-empt a pre-season broadcast to announce martians have landed I will riot in the streets.

[penguinz]

You are ignorant because you do not know when to shut-up and continue arguing about something you admittedly know nothing about. ;)

[|Zach|]

I remember during the last world cup a bunch of my friends and I went to Arrowhead for all the games in that pavillion place. There were a shitload of people to watch the US national team in all of those games. The time the games started ranged from 2-6 am. It was a little nuts, lots of fun. Esp during the Portugal game.

[DJJasonp]

Maybe I can add something to this.......

I grew up thinking the same things many posters have said about soccer today. Pansies (faking of injuries still ticks me off), boring, etc....

But that all changed when I started playing the game (when I was about 25 or so). For those who think it's for pansies....I played over 10 years of football (past High school) and never broke a bone until I played soccer (twice).

It's really tough to compare the two sports though. Different types of athletes, but I will say that in no way is soccer just "endurance". There's a lot of foot-eye coordination that is a very hard skill to become an expert at (much like hitting a baseball or curveball).

There's a lot of things going on away from the ball during a soccer game. There's set plays (much the same as basketball or football). It IS physical. And what the stars do with the ball (speed, bending, passing 40 or 50 yards exactly where they wanted it to go to, etc. is amazing.

BUT....and not to start another argument....I still say that NFL players have the best combination of physical, speed, toughness, endurance, etc. skills of any professional sport. (I still have an argument with my friend that NFL players are "tougher" than NHL...but that's another story). When a 6'6" 250lb man can run a 4.5 40 yd dash, cut, turn, and level a 6'2", 260lb running back....or get his pinky broken....get it cut off and return to the game....nuff said.

This is really apples to oranges though.

Both are fun to watch sports, but I'd miss my honeymoon for a chiefs game.....probably not for the US National soccer team (but I still enjoy both)

[carlos3652]

If America has a "national team" (is that what the Olympic soccer team is?) I don't think many people would give a crap if they won or lost.

If you like soccer great but please don't call me ignorant because I don't care for it, because I find it boring, or because I simply don't attach any national significance to it whatsoever.
It might seem sacreligious to you but I , and most Americans, don't care whether our 'national team' wins or loses or ties 0-0. I wouldn't care if the US didn't have a team in fact I wouldn't notice. I don't know or care how often or where the World Cup is played.
This does not make me ignorant or ill-informed. It means I do not like or care about soccer.
On the other hand if you pre-empt a pre-season broadcast to announce martians have landed I will riot in the streets.

Why did you post on this thread then, it surely wasnt intended for those that disliked this sport....

If I started a Golf thread would you have come in here and said "golf is boring" - No because you didnt do that when William posted the BO thread...

I appreciate that you have an opinion but when soccer fans are posting and you come in with your opinion and try to tell us that the sport sucks you will get the reaction that you have received...

[carlos3652]

This is really apples to oranges though.



Correct

[vailpass]

Why did you post on this thread then, it surely wasnt intended for those that disliked this sport....

If I started a Golf thread would you have come in here and said "golf is boring" - No because you didnt do that when William posted the BO thread...

I appreciate that you have an opinion but when soccer fans are posting and you come in with your opinion and try to tell us that the sport sucks you will get the reaction that you have received...

Yes of course you are correct. I have some time to kill in between meetings today. Mainly I stayed in here for a good laugh while watching Metrolike take everything I said personally. I admit to being a devious internet asshole sometimes and pushing people's buttons.

[Saulbadguy]

I don't have to read this thread without knowing some soccer haters posted. Now, I don't know anything about soccer, and I can't name a player other than Mia Hamm, but why would you post on a thread just to bash soccer?

I bet some of you guys bashing it are the same ones who drool over Lance Armstrong..when he is a ****ing CYCLIST. Cycling...a SLOWER version of Nascar.

[carlos3652]

Metro... You really think the Ukraine can do something on the international level vs WC talent?

vs.

Turkey
Greece
Denmark
Albania
Georgia
Kazakhstan

They have only played (in my eyes) -
3 ok teams

Turkey 3-0 /
Greece 1-1 / 1-0
Denmark 1-1 / 1-0

The other thing you have to realize is that even though some teams went far in 2002, you have to throw that out the window and have to use what they have done lately....

Ukraine might have a good team, but put them in a groups 1, 4, 6, 7, 8 of the Euro Qualifying and they dont make it to the WC this year....

[carlos3652]

Yes of course you are correct. I have some time to kill in between meetings today. Mainly I stayed in here for a good laugh while watching Metrolike take everything I said personally. I admit to being a devious internet asshole sometimes and pushing people's buttons.


ROFL

[carlos3652]

I don't have to read this thread without knowing some soccer haters posted. Now, I don't know anything about soccer, and I can't name a player other than Mia Hamm, but why would you post on a thread just to bash soccer?

I bet some of you guys bashing it are the same ones who drool over Lance Armstrong..when he is a ****ing CYCLIST. Cycling...a SLOWER version of Nascar.

I know, but can you find anyone that dislikes armstrong that is american... I mean this guy is tough as nails... Im not a Cycling fan... but his heart and passion for what he wants to accomplish should not go unnoticed...

[carlos3652]

Now, I don't know anything about soccer, and I can't name a player other than Mia Hamm...

Was it because she married Nomar... or because you were watching some babes run around on TV and they mentioned her name?

[Saulbadguy]

I know, but can you find anyone that dislikes armstrong that is american... I mean this guy is tough as nails... Im not a Cycling fan... but his heart and passion for what he wants to accomplish should not go unnoticed...
True..but its still Cycling. Its about as entertaining as watching paint peel. Most people could not name any other cyclist on the tour. Most people couldn't name another event in which cyclists compete (Lance only competes in the tour). Lance is a human interest story, and nothing more.

[Saulbadguy]

Was it because she married Nomar... or because you were watching some babes run around on TV and they mentioned her name?
She was in some commercials. I am starting to remember a few more now. Pele. Brandy Chastain (sp?). Alexei Lalas (I think?).

[carlos3652]

I am sure the US pick is more of a homer pick ( I hope), I just cant see a team losing to Mexico's 2005 A team winning a final in the WC. - I think it hurts the USA team when 75% of their A matches are held at home...

[Baby Lee]

There's a lot of things going on away from the ball during a soccer game. There's set plays (much the same as basketball or football). It IS physical. And what the stars do with the ball (speed, bending, passing 40 or 50 yards exactly where they wanted it to go to, etc. is amazing.
My most prized skill remains to this day is the ability to bend a corner kick INTO the goal mouth direct. Not the most useful skill past age 10 or so, as any competent goalie is gonna stop me [and any competent ref knows that a corner is, by rule, an indirect kick]. But it remains my solace that I was 'bending it like Beckham' when Beckham was in diapers.

Second most prized is my ability to state that I've NEVER missed a penalty kick. Not in practice, not in a game, not in overtime, NEVER.

But then, with the tactical and logistical advantage, it blows my mind that any competent player ever misses a penalty kick. It's like shooting free throws with a basket the size of a manhole cover.

[UKMike]

Yes of course you are correct. I have some time to kill in between meetings today. Mainly I stayed in here for a good laugh while watching Metrolike take everything I said personally. I admit to being a devious internet asshole sometimes and pushing people's buttons.

Dont you hate the fact that football was originally developed from rugby, which was originally soccer?

[Baby Lee]

Cycling...a SLOWER version of Nascar.
You do know that NASCAR uses something called the internal combustion engine, not the human muscoluskeletal and respiratory system?

;)

[UKMike]

My most prized skill remains to this day is the ability to bend a corner kick INTO the goal mouth direct. Not the most useful skill past age 10 or so, as any competent goalie is gonna stop me [and any competent ref knows that a corner is, by rule, an indirect kick]. But it remains my solace that I was 'bending it like Beckham' when Beckham was in diapers.

Second most prized is my ability to state that I've NEVER missed a penalty kick. Not in practice, not in a game, not in overtime, NEVER.

But then, with the tactical and logistical advantage, it blows my mind that any competent player ever misses a penalty kick. It's like shooting free throws with a basket the size of a manhole cover.

You can score direct from a corner.

[Baby Lee]

She was in some commercials. I am starting to remember a few more now. Pele. Brandy Chastain (sp?). Alexei Lalas (I think?).
Seriously, get acquainted with Landon Donovan and DeMarcus Beasley. I'd love to see more NFL players with the 'second level burst' these two have even in the 89th and 90th minutes of play.

[Ultra Peanut]

If America has a "national team" (is that what the Olympic soccer team is?) I don't think many people would give a crap if they won or lost.Tell that to these people (USA 3 - 0 Costa Rica, Salt Lake City; June 4, 2005):

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I am sure the US pick is more of a homer pick ( I hope), I just cant see a team losing to Mexico's 2005 A team winning a final in the WC. - I think it hurts the USA team when 75% of their A matches are held at home...I don't think we're going to win it in 2006, and we'll need some breaks to do it in 2010, but the loss to Mexico at Azteca isn't why. Nobody wins at Azteca. I firmly believe we're better than Mexico in pretty much every stadium in the world except one.

[carlos3652]

True..but its still Cycling. Its about as entertaining as watching paint peel. Most people could not name any other cyclist on the tour. Most people couldn't name another event in which cyclists compete (Lance only competes in the tour). Lance is a human interest story, and nothing more.

You are correct, I only get updates on here from it... All I care about is LA finishing atop and then I will probably not care for it again... The only other cyclist i can think of is Jan Ulrich(sp)???? or whatever because he is always in 2nd to LA>..

[Ultra Peanut]

Until reading the Armstrong thread today, I could have sworn Jan Ullrich played tennis...

[Baby Lee]

You can score direct from a corner.
I'll be d@mned. You are right. Not sure if we were applying FIFA rules, or some form modified for the league I was reffing, in the late 80s, or if the rules have changed since then but I distinctly recall learning that a corner was considered an indirect kick for my certification, because I thought 'hmmm, I guess all those goals I scored way back when shouldn't have counted.'

[Saulbadguy]

You do know that NASCAR uses something called the internal combustion engine, not the human muscoluskeletal and respiratory system?

;)
I'm still not impressed. :) Talk to me when the cyclists are allowed to kick the other cyclists off their bikes, or set booby traps on the course. Then i'd watch.

[Ultra Peanut]

I'm still not impressed. :) Talk to me when the cyclists are allowed to kick the other cyclists off their bikes, or set booby traps on the course. Then i'd watch.Sort of a "Wacky Racers: Cycling" thing?

[vailpass]

Dont you hate the fact that football was originally developed from rugby, which was originally soccer?

So we aquired it and made it our own? Who cares? All I need is what America has baby and you'll never get under my skin with your Euro smack.

[Saulbadguy]

Sort of a "Wacky Racers: Cycling" thing?
ROFL

Old school Hanna Barbara...nice.

[Ultra Peanut]

All I need is what America has baby<img src="http://photos5.flickr.com/6157664_64a9b6756f_m.jpg" style="width: 230px; height: 232px; border: 0" alt="" />

[vailpass]

[QUOTE=Psicosis]Tell that to these people (USA 3 - 0 Costa Rica, Salt Lake City; June 4, 2005):"

Yeah right, oh boy. IS that from some kind of once-a-year big-deal-in-soccer-land tournament? That's about 1/3 the crowd that shows up to tailgate for a regular season NFL game.

[vailpass]

<img src="http://photos5.flickr.com/6157664_64a9b6756f_m.jpg" style="width: 230px; height: 232px; border: 0" alt="" />

Being from a country that has everything you could ever need, and realizing and appreciatin how lucky you are, hardly equates to jingoism.
Take your 3rd-world-homeland inferiority complex and stay away from me. You are a strange person.

[Baby Lee]

If I can hop on my soapbox for a moment, I've come to realize that one of my favorite aspects of the World Cup is what our team LOOKS LIKE in comparison to other teams.

Germans look like Germans
French like Frenchies
Russians look like Russians
The Netherlands is a sea of blond
Cameroon looks like a Bob Marley travelling troupe.

The USA team looks like the world. Black, White, Hispanic, Italian, frat boys, red heads, hippies. The best demonstration of what a melting pot we truly are.

[UKMike]

[QUOTE=Psicosis]Tell that to these people (USA 3 - 0 Costa Rica, Salt Lake City; June 4, 2005):"

Yeah right, oh boy. IS that from some kind of once-a-year big-deal-in-soccer-land tournament? That's about 1/3 the crowd that shows up to tailgate for a regular season NFL game.

The world over, soccer is easily the most popular sport. You don't have to like it, but theres no point arguing that Football is more popular.

[Saulbadguy]

Being from a country that has everything you could ever need, and realizing and appreciatin how lucky you are, hardly equates to jingoism.
Take your 3rd-world-homeland inferiority complex and stay away from me. You are a strange person.
I love it all too, but I don't automatically discount anything because its from another country. They've got much to offer us. I still don't like soccer, though. I would probably enjoy it if it were played on a collegiate level here in the Big XII.

[carlos3652]

I don't think we're going to win it in 2006, and we'll need some breaks to do it in 2010, but the loss to Mexico at Azteca isn't why. Nobody wins at Azteca. I firmly believe we're better than Mexico in pretty much every stadium in the world except one.

Great post...

:hmmm: I think its a coin toss if you play Mexico on Neutral ground... that being said I think US will be tough but cannot beat Brazil, Germany, Argentina's A team on Neutral (home for germany) ground.


I am so glad Argentina is in 2nd Place.... They have been in the top 5 for the last 5-6 years and for some reason they were dropped to 11th for one month... The fifa rankings are wierd.... No way Mexico/ USA are top 5 - 6 teams in the World... the only reason would be because they play sh**ty teams....

[Ultra Peanut]

Yeah right, oh boy. IS that from some kind of once-a-year big-deal-in-soccer-land tournament? That's about 1/3 the crowd that shows up to tailgate for a regular season NFL game.

It was a World Cup Qualifier; one of five USA home games in this, the final round of qualifying. Attendance was 40,586.

If I can hop on my soapbox for a moment, I've come to realize that one of my favorite aspects of the World Cup is what our team LOOKS LIKE in comparison to other teams.

Germans look like Germans
French like Frenchies
Russians look like Russians
The Netherlands is a sea of blond
Cameroon looks like a Bob Marley travelling troupe.

The USA team looks like the world. Black, White, Hispanic, Italian, frat boys, red heads, hippies. The best demonstration of what a melting pot we truly are.Word up.

[Baby Lee]

Being from a country that has everything you could ever need, and realizing and appreciatin how lucky you are, hardly equates to jingoism.
Take your 3rd-world-homeland inferiority complex and stay away from me. You are a strange person.
Crack yerself a Budweiser, heat up some Mac-n-Cheez and retire to your Laz-E-Boy, loser.

[carlos3652]

I'm still not impressed. :) Talk to me when the cyclists are allowed to kick the other cyclists off their bikes, or set booby traps on the course. Then i'd watch.

I bought a game for my PS about 4-5 years ago... X-games or Extreme something... you could do that stuff...

[Ultra Peanut]

Take your 3rd-world-homeland inferiority complex and stay away from me. 3rd-world-homeland? Dude, my roots are either Irish, Scottish, or English, or maybe some of all. I don't even know.

You are a strange person.That's the first accurate statement you've made in this entire thread.

[vailpass]

The world over, soccer is easily the most popular sport. You don't have to like it, but theres no point arguing that Football is more popular.

Yes because all you need is a patch of dirt and some round object to play. All of the poor countries can play it, anyone can play it.
You miss the point: I'm not arguing what is popular with the rest of the world. I'm stating what is populare where I live, America. The rest of the world is free to do what they want but in America the NFL is king and soccer is how the gym teacher punishes you if you screw around during baseball time.

[Saulbadguy]

Yes because all you need is a patch of dirt and some round object to play. All of the poor countries can play it, anyone can play it.
You miss the point: I'm not arguing what is popular with the rest of the world. I'm stating what is populare where I live, America. The rest of the world is free to do what they want but in America the NFL is king and soccer is how the gym teacher punishes you if you screw around during baseball time.
Soccer is steadily rising in popularity, though. I can't wait until Jai Alai (sp?) finds its way here.

[vailpass]

Crack yerself a Budweiser, heat up some Mac-n-Cheez and retire to your Laz-E-Boy, loser.

I'm an affluent white American male with a Master's degree. I'm employed by a major DOD prime contractor.
Not everyone who professes a preference for America is fit's into your mold counselor. Care to redirect?

[penguinz]

valipass... You were beaten up a lot as an adolescent weren't you?

[vailpass]

Soccer is steadily rising in popularity, though. I can't wait until Jai Alai (sp?) finds its way here.

I've bet on Hai Alai games in Florida. That shit is FUN to watch, fast paced hard-hitting. MUCH more entertaining than soccer.

[vailpass]

valipass... You were beaten up a lot as an adolescent weren't you?

Man this is one of those times when I wish you could meet people on the internet in real life.
You have absolutely no idea how ridiculous that statement is nor is there any way I can make you understand.

[UKMike]

What do the soccer haters think of rugby?

[carlos3652]

So we aquired it and made it our own? Who cares? All I need is what America has baby and you'll never get under my skin with your Euro smack.


He doesn't know the meaning of the word "soccer" - but then again he doesn't know the meaning of most words...

Vail, I am offended that you think this is Euro smack... at least include us South Americans... I hate the fact that people that know little about soccer think that Europe has the best teams and players because they are from that country....

Little advice - Brazil and Argentina do not reside in Europe and are 1 and 2 in the WORLD standings and have been in the top 10 for a long time...and most of the best European teams are infested with Argentina and Brazilian players...

I hate this Europe vs N. America stuff, when S. America can kick most of Europe's ass (and N. America)....

[vailpass]

What do the soccer haters think of rugby?

Which is the rougher of the two, the Australian rules or the other one? I like watching the rough one for a while. Just recently some of them have started wearing a little protective gear to keep from getting their eras ripped off.
Tough mother****ers.
I get a kick out of watching the ref stick his arms straight up in the air when they score. I try not to peek at the scrums too close as I'm afraid I'll see someone stick a finger up the other guy's ass to make him drop the ball.

[carlos3652]

Yes because all you need is a patch of dirt and some round object to play. All of the poor countries can play it, anyone can play it.
You miss the point: I'm not arguing what is popular with the rest of the world. I'm stating what is populare where I live, America. The rest of the world is free to do what they want but in America the NFL is king and soccer is how the gym teacher punishes you if you screw around during baseball time.

No, Soccer is the most popular sport in America, if you want to say USA than you would be correct... but America consists of North, Central and South...

[carlos3652]

What do the soccer haters think of rugby?


Shoulda just PM'd Vail, everyone else on this thread likes soccer...

[Ultra Peanut]

I like watching the rough one for a while.Admit it, you just watch it for the hot man-on-man action...

Sort of like football, come to think of it:

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I try not to peek at the scrums too close as I'm afraid I'll see someone stick a finger up the other guy's ass to make him drop the ball."Bad Marvcus!"

[carlos3652]

Skip would be proud of a #100 post thread...

[UKMike]

Which is the rougher of the two, the Australian rules or the other one? I like watching the rough one for a while. Just recently some of them have started wearing a little protective gear to keep from getting their eras ripped off.
Tough mother****ers.
I get a kick out of watching the ref stick his arms straight up in the air when they score. I try not to peek at the scrums too close as I'm afraid I'll see someone stick a finger up the other guy's ass to make him drop the ball.

Aussie Rules football ain't rugby. Its alot like Gaelic football I think. I dont know much about either of them. Rugby is either union or league. League is alot like football.

[Baby Lee]

I'm an affluent white American male with a Master's degree. I'm employed by a major DOD prime contractor.
Not everyone who professes a preference for America is fit's into your mold counselor. Care to redirect?

Care to diagram the sentence bolded above?

Better yet, care to comment on the irony of your righteous indignation over stereotyping after your previous posts in this thread?

[vailpass]

He doesn't know the meaning of the word "soccer" - but then again he doesn't know the meaning of most words...

Vail, I am offended that you think this is Euro smack... at least include us South Americans... I hate the fact that people that know little about soccer think that Europe has the best teams and players because they are from that country....

Little advice - Brazil and Argentina do not reside in Europe and are 1 and 2 in the WORLD standings and have been in the top 10 for a long time...and most of the best European teams are infested with Argentina and Brazilian players...

I hate this Europe vs N. America stuff, when S. America can kick most of Europe's ass (and N. America)....

Carlos my brother I assure you no harm was intended. When I said Euro I was talking to UK Mike. I assumed (perhaps incorreclty) that the "UK" indicated he was from the UK.
Whether Europe of S. America are better at kicking a ball into a net is something I'll leave for you guys to decide.
What I do know is that whenever I am in Miami there are a couple of gentleman's clubs I hit because the specialize in Brazilian, Argentinian, and other Latina ladies. These countries produce women that are easily among the most beautiful in the world.

[carlos3652]

Admit it, you just watch it for the hot man-on-man action...

Sort of like football, come to think of it:

<img src="http://www.oursportscentral.com/usfl/images/azqb.jpg" style="width: 223px; height: 293px; border: 0" alt="" />

<img src="http://www.ravensnest2.com/insiders/2004/giants/7443158a.jpg" style="width: 512px; height: 365px; border: 0" alt="" />

I bet he likes wrasling too, Vail wanna wrasle...

[carlos3652]

Aussie Rules football ain't rugby. Its alot like Gaelic football I think. I dont know much about either of them. Rugby is either union or league. League is alot like football.

AUSSIE rules is way different.... almost like prison rules rugby...

[UKMike]

Carlos my brother I assure you no harm was intended. When I said Euro I was talking to UK Mike. I assumed (perhaps incorreclty) that the "UK" indicated he was from the UK.
Whether Europe of S. America are better at kicking a ball into a net is something I'll leave for you guys to decide.
What I do know is that whenever I am in Miami there are a couple of gentleman's clubs I hit because the specialize in Brazilian, Argentinian, and other Latina ladies. These countries produce women that are easily among the most beautiful in the world.

na, your right.

[UKMike]

AUSSIE rules is way different.... almost like prison rules rugby...

From what ive seen the actual game isnt as rough, it's just theres way more fighting and stuff.

[carlos3652]

whenever I am in Miami there are a couple of gentleman's clubs I hit because the specialize in Brazilian, Argentinian, and other Latina ladies. These countries produce women that are easily among the most beautiful in the world.

No worries... they are very hot... the ladies (i lived most of my life their) in Argentina are amazing... but I think that is why i love blondes though... seriously I had a model gf in Argentina (br eyes, dark hair, tan), broke up when I went to the states (couldnt handle long distance)... ended up with a super white, (who can tan - but in the winter is super white) blonde Kansas farm girl.... Wierd... opp. do attract...

[vailpass]

Care to diagram the sentence bolded above?

Better yet, care to comment on the irony of your righteous indignation over stereotyping after your previous posts in this thread?

So you're quibbling over a typographical error? Semantics seem below you counselor.
I guess I should thank you for removing me from your hillbilly hitlist.

What you call righteous indignation was simply my response to a non-US born person having the balls to tell me I'm an American homer. If you don't feel that warrants a response then it's your right to ignore it; would you begrudge me my right to respond?

[carlos3652]

From what ive seen the actual game isnt as rough, it's just theres way more fighting and stuff.

Thats what I meant... the only Rugby I watch is when the Pumas play (our National team). I have one of their authentics shirts, I where it as proudly as my Boca, National Soccer, National Basketball, and Chiefs jerseys...

[vailpass]

I bet he likes wrasling too, Vail wanna wrasle...

I'm an Iowa boy and let me assure you we wrestle for real. You might not like how it turns out though; you might not like it one little bit.
:)

[vailpass]

No worries... they are very hot... the ladies (i lived most of my life their) in Argentina are amazing... but I think that is why i love blondes though... seriously I had a model gf in Argentina (br eyes, dark hair, tan), broke up when I went to the states (couldnt handle long distance)... ended up with a super white, (who can tan - but in the winter is super white) blonde Kansas farm girl.... Wierd... opp. do attract...

Isn't it weird how you always want what you don't have? I've had blondes most of my life and the olive-skinned, dark long haired Argentinian chicas just drive me crazy.

[Ultra Peanut]

What you call righteous indignation was simply my response to a non-US born person having the balls to tell me I'm an American homer.Memphis wasn't a part of the United States in 1985?

[Baby Lee]

So you're quibbling over a typographical error? Semantics seem below you counselor.
I guess I should thank you for removing me from your hillbilly hitlist.

What you call righteous indignation was simply my response to a non-US born person having the balls to tell me I'm an American homer. If you don't feel that warrants a response then it's your right to ignore it; would you begrudge me my right to respond?
Naw, just thinking that a guy who revels in 'deviously pushing buttons' shouldn't have a chest that looks like the old 'Simon' game.

Beep Boop. ROFL

[UKMike]

Thats what I meant... the only Rugby I watch is when the Pumas play (our National team). I have one of their authentics shirts, I where it as proudly as my Boca, National Soccer, National Basketball, and Chiefs jerseys...

Pumas are on the way up, World cup after next there might even be more than 5 teams capable of winning it.

[Baby Lee]

I'm an Iowa boy and let me assure you we wrestle for real. You might not like how it turns out though; you might not like it one little bit.
:)
VP, JD.
JD, VP.

[carlos3652]

I'm from Iowa boy and let me assure you we wrestle for real. You might not like how it turns out though; you might not like it one little bit.

ROFL... I have friends who are from Iowa, and thats all they do... big mfers...

I hate wresling... probably fell the same way you feel about soccer on it,..

[vailpass]

Naw, just thinking that a guy who revels in 'deviously pushing buttons' shouldn't have a chest that looks like the old 'Simon' game.
Beep Boop. ROFL

Godamnit I have to admit that is so far over my head I'm straining my neck trying to lookup.

On a separate note: ding ding ding we have a winner! :clap:
Baby Lee reads for comprehension and now my fun is over; I've been found out.
(I was serious about Iowa wrestling and the chicks from Brazil and Argentina being hot though.)

[vailpass]

VP, JD.
JD, VP.

Who is JD? Your sig and avvy rule btw; Entourage is the real deal.

[carlos3652]

Pumas are on the way up, World cup after next there might even be more than 5 teams capable of winning it.

Yea... All Blacks dominate... but these ar my top 5 Rugby teams to win it all...

New Zealand
Australia
South Africa
France
Wales

[Baby Lee]

Godamnit I have to admit that is so far over my head I'm straining my neck trying to lookup.
http://www.funnyhub.com/games/img/simon-says.jpg

[UKMike]

Yea... All Blacks dominate... but these ar my top 5 Rugby teams to win it all...

New Zealand
Australia
South Africa
France
Wales

England will be back up there by 2007. :harumph:

[vailpass]

ROFL... I have friends who are from Iowa, and thats all they do... big mfers...

I hate wresling... probably fell the same way you feel about soccer on it,..

I don't really hate soccer; I don't have an opinion one way or the other.
Wrestling is DEFINETELY an aquired taste. I love it because it is one-on-one and there was nobody tougher as I was growing up than a Dan Gable trained wrestler.

[Baby Lee]

Who is JD?
A former poster infamous for his incessent drive to thump his chest and pick fights. One of CP's foremost 'I-net big boys.'

[Ultra Peanut]

I ****ing hated Simon.

[Baby Lee]

I don't really hate soccer; I don't have an opinion one way or the other.
Wrestling is DEFINETELY an aquired taste. I love it because it is one-on-one and there was nobody tougher as I was growing up than a Dan Gable trained wrestler.
Have you seen that guy who was born with stubs for arms and legs, who has actually turned it into a leverage advantage in wrestling?

Very inspiring dude.

[vailpass]

A former poster infamous for his incessent drive to thump his chest and pick fights. One of CP's foremost 'I-net big boys.'

Upon re-redng my post I can see where you would think that. I was most definetley NOT offering to wrestle Carlos, just responding to his jibe "do ya like wrassling Vail"?
Carlos understood where I was coming from.
Paint me how you will according to my actions/words but please do not paint me as an internet tough guy. I hope I've represented myself well enough to qualify for a much more distinguished asshole title.

[vailpass]

Have you seen that guy who was born with stubs for arms and legs, who has actually turned it into a leverage advantage in wrestling?

Very inspiring dude.

It's un****ing-believable. You want to cheer and cry all at the same time. Hot fires make hard steel.

[Rausch]

I hate this Europe vs N. America stuff, when S. America can kick most of Europe's ass (and N. America)....

I'm not picking a fight with anyone from Brazil. Don't worry...

[Rausch]

I don't really hate soccer; I don't have an opinion one way or the other.
Wrestling is DEFINETELY an aquired taste. I love it because it is one-on-one and there was nobody tougher as I was growing up than a Dan Gable trained wrestler.

I was always a Kenny Monday fan myself...

http://www.wrestlinghalloffame.org/news/2001.winter/dm.htm

[carlos3652]

I'm not picking a fight with anyone from Brazil. Don't worry...


ROFL

[carlos3652]

England will be back up there by 2007. :harumph:

Hopefully Argentina will be too but Im not holding my breathe...

[Baby Lee]

Hopefully Argentina will be too but Im not holding my breathe...
How does one hold a verb, exactly? ;)

[carlos3652]

How does one hold a verb, exactly? ;)

ROFL - Argentines can do a lot more than you think....ROFL

[Frankie]

Skip would be proud of a #100 post thread...

This thread was dead and buried at the bottom of page 7 by post #4. Until I resurrected it.

You're welcome carlos. ;)

[Pants]

Yes of course you are correct. I have some time to kill in between meetings today. Mainly I stayed in here for a good laugh while watching Metrolike take everything I said personally. I admit to being a devious internet asshole sometimes and pushing people's buttons.

Heh, didn't realize my buttons were pushed, thanks for giving me the heads up. Also, I don't care whether you think soccer is boring, that's your opinion, but coming over to a thread about soccer and admitting that you know nothing about it while preaching how bad it is, is pretty ignorant. Yes, you not caring about soccer is not ignorant on your part, coming over and saying the stupid you shit you said is ignorant. I hope you see the difference.

[Pants]

Metro... You really think the Ukraine can do something on the international level vs WC talent?

vs.

Turkey
Greece
Denmark
Albania
Georgia
Kazakhstan

They have only played (in my eyes) -
3 ok teams

Turkey 3-0 /
Greece 1-1 / 1-0
Denmark 1-1 / 1-0

The other thing you have to realize is that even though some teams went far in 2002, you have to throw that out the window and have to use what they have done lately....

Ukraine might have a good team, but put them in a groups 1, 4, 6, 7, 8 of the Euro Qualifying and they dont make it to the WC this year....

Huh, when did I say anything like that? I've said in numerous threads that I don't think Ukraine will do shit once they qualify. I can play both sides though, Greece won the Euro last year and Turkey finished 3rd in 2002, Argentina on the other hand...

[carlos3652]

This thread was dead and buried at the bottom of page 7 by post #4. Until I resurrected it.

You're welcome carlos. ;)

You da man....

[Pants]

You da man....

In case you missed my above posts.

[penguinz]

Argentina on the other hand...Embarrassed their country in 2002.

[carlos3652]

Huh, when did I say anything like that? I've said in numerous threads that I don't think Ukraine will do shit once they qualify. I can play both sides though, Greece won the Euro last year and Turkey finished 3rd in 2002, Argentina on the other hand...

I thought you said they would do well...??? Nevermind...

As I said Greece and Turkey are OK teams...

Once again you cant go off 2002 (4 years ago), they have a different team.... and to tell you the truth, they had the easiest path to number #3 I have ever seen in my WC days:

29-JUN-02 DAEGU (Korea Republic) Korea Republic vs. Turkey 2:3 (1:3)
26-JUN-02 SAITAMA (Japan) Brazil vs. Turkey 1:0 (0:0)
22-JUN-02 OSAKA (Japan) Senegal vs. Turkey 0:1 a.e.t (0:0, 0:0)
18-JUN-02 MIYAGI (Japan) Japan vs. Turkey 0:1 (0:1)
13-JUN-02 SEOUL (Korea Republic) Turkey vs. China PR 3:0 (2:0)
09-JUN-02 INCHEON (Korea Republic) Costa Rica vs. Turkey 1:1 (0:0)
03-JUN-02 ULSAN (Korea Republic) Brazil vs. Turkey 2:1 (0:1)

The only team they played was Brazil and they lost twice to them???? I understand Brazil won it all, but they played no one in the top 25 in the world to get there... :hmmm:

Also, Greece resume after the Euro win in 2004 is so bad... no wins in A matches not including their sorry EURO qualifying group...

22-JUN-05 FRANKFURT/MAIN (Germany) Greece vs. Mexico 0:0
19-JUN-05 FRANKFURT/MAIN (Germany) Greece vs. Japan 0:1 (0:0)
16-JUN-05 LEIPZIG (Germany) Brazil vs. Greece 3:0 (1:0)
18-AUG-04 PRAGUE (Czech Republic) Czech Republic vs. Greece 0:0


Uhhh... and Argentina is currently 2nd in the world, not sure why you are comparing them to the 2002 team that was good (1-1-1 in the hardest group of the WC) to our 2005 team that is 10 times better... so You can say what you will about the last WC, but if you compare the teams that one and the other had to play Argentina has had a Hard path...

Metro, Im not trying to dog on your soccer know-how, (because you are one of the few that know about soccer) but get your facts on current teams to evaluate them correctly...

[carlos3652]

Embarrassed their country in 2002.

At the time yes, but after you look at who they had to play for their first three games you can understand why they had a hard time qualifying... We only lost to England 1-0 on a Beckham penalty kick...


1 National Team Sweden 3 1 2 0 4 3 1 5
2 National Team England 3 1 2 0 2 1 1 5
3 National Team Argentina 3 1 1 1 2 2 0 4
4 National Team Nigeria 3 0 1 2 1 3 -2 1

Sweden was a great team, England had Beckham and Owen, Nigeria was the current African Champion...

[vailpass]

Heh, didn't realize my buttons were pushed, thanks for giving me the heads up. Also, I don't care whether you think soccer is boring, that's your opinion, but coming over to a thread about soccer and admitting that you know nothing about it while preaching how bad it is, is pretty ignorant. Yes, you not caring about soccer is not ignorant on your part, coming over and saying the stupid you shit you said is ignorant. I hope you see the difference.


Metro my brotha you have got to let it go you crazy soccer hooligan you. Don't let someone get under your skin once you learn that is their sole intention.
To be clear though I do know a little about soccer. I live in Phoenix where there are some very serious Mexican leagues and it is on the TV here all the time. That makes me an expert doesn't it?

I do like the fact that Man U was recently purchased by Tampa Bay's owner.
I think I will definetely take more of an interest in soccer once America completes it's buy-out and we see some rule changes that make the sport a little more like war and a little less like ballet.

[carlos3652]

Metro my brotha you have got to let it go you crazy soccer hooligan you. Don't let someone get under your skin once you learn that is their sole intention.
To be clear though I do know a little about soccer. I live in Phoenix where there are some very serious Mexican leagues and it is on the TV here all the time. That makes me an expert doesn't it?

I do like the fact that Man U was recently purchased by Tampa Bay's owner.
I think I will definetely take more of an interest in soccer once America completes it's buy-out and we see some rule changes that make the sport a little more like war and a little less like ballet.


I hate Man U

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

I was always a Kenny Monday fan myself...

http://www.wrestlinghalloffame.org/news/2001.winter/dm.htm
I am a fan of him as well. He and Kendall Cross have really been contributing to the growth of Texas wrestling by coaching a youth club and helping with one particular high school. Wrestling success all starts with the coaching and you don't get many coaches with more experience than Kenny Monday and Kendall Cross.

[Pants]

I thought you said they would do well...??? Nevermind...

As I said Greece and Turkey are OK teams...

Once again you cant go off 2002 (4 years ago), they have a different team.... and to tell you the truth, they had the easiest path to number #3 I have ever seen in my WC days:

29-JUN-02 DAEGU (Korea Republic) Korea Republic vs. Turkey 2:3 (1:3)
26-JUN-02 SAITAMA (Japan) Brazil vs. Turkey 1:0 (0:0)
22-JUN-02 OSAKA (Japan) Senegal vs. Turkey 0:1 a.e.t (0:0, 0:0)
18-JUN-02 MIYAGI (Japan) Japan vs. Turkey 0:1 (0:1)
13-JUN-02 SEOUL (Korea Republic) Turkey vs. China PR 3:0 (2:0)
09-JUN-02 INCHEON (Korea Republic) Costa Rica vs. Turkey 1:1 (0:0)
03-JUN-02 ULSAN (Korea Republic) Brazil vs. Turkey 2:1 (0:1)

The only team they played was Brazil and they lost twice to them???? I understand Brazil won it all, but they played no one in the top 25 in the world to get there... :hmmm:

Also, Greece resume after the Euro win in 2004 is so bad... no wins in A matches not including their sorry EURO qualifying group...

22-JUN-05 FRANKFURT/MAIN (Germany) Greece vs. Mexico 0:0
19-JUN-05 FRANKFURT/MAIN (Germany) Greece vs. Japan 0:1 (0:0)
16-JUN-05 LEIPZIG (Germany) Brazil vs. Greece 3:0 (1:0)
18-AUG-04 PRAGUE (Czech Republic) Czech Republic vs. Greece 0:0


Uhhh... and Argentina is currently 2nd in the world, not sure why you are comparing them to the 2002 team that was good (1-1-1 in the hardest group of the WC) to our 2005 team that is 10 times better... so You can say what you will about the last WC, but if you compare the teams that one and the other had to play Argentina has had a Hard path...

Metro, Im not trying to dog on your soccer know-how, (because you are one of the few that know about soccer) but get your facts on current teams to evaluate them correctly...

Heh, don't take this personal, like I said, I always liked Argentina (hated Brazil) and they always have superb squads, but when you have Batistuta, Crespo, Veron, Kily (Gonzales), Samuel, Simeone, Zanetti, Lopez, ect you better at least get past the group stage. Your team, pretty much consisted of the top 5% of soccer players in the world, your team consisted of stars.

Also, it's funny how you bring up rankings right after saying the ranking process sucks. Argentina is definately up there, but it's not very hard to get #2 when you play people like Bolivia, Peru and Venezuela with the type of soccer players Argentina produces.

[vailpass]

I hate Man U

Right now I don't have anything bad to say about anything British. They are the best ally the US could ask for and I am feeling a lot of solidarity with them in the face of the recent troubles by those terrorist muslim fanatic coward ****s.

[Pants]

Metro my brotha you have got to let it go you crazy soccer hooligan you. Don't let someone get under your skin once you learn that is their sole intention.
To be clear though I do know a little about soccer. I live in Phoenix where there are some very serious Mexican leagues and it is on the TV here all the time. That makes me an expert doesn't it?

I do like the fact that Man U was recently purchased by Tampa Bay's owner.
I think I will definetely take more of an interest in soccer once America completes it's buy-out and we see some rule changes that make the sport a little more like war and a little less like ballet.

First of all, that only became your intention once people made an idiot out of you and you realized what an ass you have made of yourself. Second, it doesn't take much to get under my skin, as I get pissed very easily, especially by such blatant dumbassery as was shown in this thread and even so you didn't really get under my skin. Third, you're clueless about soccer, you thought the USA national team was a bunch of amateurs who played in the Olympics. Fourth, you yourslef have stated that you don't care about soccer and that not knowing much about it doesn't make you ignorant. So please, stop trying to make an idiot out of me, because the idiot here is you, "brotha".

[vailpass]

First of all, that only became your intention once people made an idiot out of you and you realized what an ass you have made of yourself. Second, it doesn't take much to get under my skin, as I get pissed very easily, especially by such blatant dumbassery as was shown in this thread and even so you didn't really get under my skin. Third, you're clueless about soccer, you thought the USA national team was a bunch of amateurs who played in the Olympics. Fourth, you yourslef have stated that you don't care about soccer and that not knowing much about it doesn't make you ignorant. So please, stop trying to make an idiot out of me, because the idiot here is you, "brotha".


Hey hey hey now you feisty soccer boy you; you're getting all crazy again. Am I not allowed to ask questions and learn?
You mean the National team isn't the same one that plays in the Olympics? It is in the real sports (basketball, football, hockey,curling, syncronized swimming,etc.) so I thought it might be in soccer too.
I realize you've been a member of this board for almost a whole year; I wouldn't try to fool you. I think soccer is fine for other countries but it doesn't play in America; why does that make you so mad?
You can still see it if you want, Telemundo carries it in the middle of the night when it won't interfere with the broadcast of any real games.

[carlos3652]

Heh, don't take this personal, like I said, I always liked Argentina (hated Brazil) and they always have superb squads, but when you have Batistuta, Crespo, Veron, Kily (Gonzales), Samuel, Simeone, Zanetti, Lopez, ect you better at least get past the group stage. Your team, pretty much consisted of the top 5% of soccer players in the world, your team consisted of stars.

Also, it's funny how you bring up rankings right after saying the ranking process sucks. Argentina is definately up there, but it's not very hard to get #2 when you play people like Bolivia, Peru and Venezuela with the type of soccer players Argentina produces.

Im not taking it personal... and yes we have the top 5% talent ever year... we produce the best soccer players in the world on a consistent basis....

But when you play England (also has top 5% talent), Sweden (top 10% talent) and Nigeria (fastest mf's I have ver seen) in your first group it is very hard to win all 3, no one did that in that group... there where more ties than wins/losses...

Rankings due suck, but Argentina is a clear #2 in the world behind Brazil at this point, let me elaborate:


FIFA Confederations Cup 2005 - USA not qualified (2004 National Champions around the world on the international scale):
8 teams

Argentina ends up in the Finals vs Brazil - #2 place finish

World Youth Championship 2005 - (USA loses in round of 16) 32 Teams

Argentina ends up in #1 place

Copa America 2004 (USA did not Qualify) - 12 teams

Argentina ends up in the Finals vs Brazil. Lose on Penalties - #2 Place

Olympics 2004 (USA did not Qualify) - 16 teams

Argentina ends up #1 with 0 goals allowed throughout the whole tourney...


In the last 2 years Argentina has ended in #1 or #2 in the last 4 tournaments that include teams other than just S. America, where they play #1 quality opponents around the world. This is not counting the qualifiers where Argentina has already qualified for 2006 by beating Brazil in their last game...

Im not sure how USA merits a #6 placing, that is my argument about the ratings... they are flawed, but there is enough evidence to show that Argentina deserves the #2 spot and Brazil the number #1, everything below that I cant explain why they are ranked so high or so low...

[carlos3652]

Right now I don't have anything bad to say about anything British. They are the best ally the US could ask for and I am feeling a lot of solidarity with them in the face of the recent troubles by those terrorist muslim fanatic coward ****s.

This was a wierd post.... Im not sure we are on the same page... let me put it on the same level (Football) so you would understand. After 9/11, if anyone asked you if you liked the Raiders or the Broncos, would you have said, I have nothing bad to say about them after the situation our country is going through...????

Being from Argentina, I never liked the British (Falkland Isles / Islas Malvinas) but that doesnt mean I dont apreciate the fact that they are going through a tough time... i pray for their familes, my job consists of talking to them day in and day out because I am an international manager for my company...

But that doesnt mean you cannot hate the organization of a Soccer team in the UK....

I hope this makes sense...the last thing I want is anyone to think that I liked the bombings and have only bad things to say about Britain...

[Ultra Peanut]

World Youth Championship 2005 - (USA loses in round of 16) 32 Teams

Argentina ends up in #1 placeThe US beat Argentina and won the Group of Death without conceding a goal. One very bad game full of terrible luck against Italy in the knockout round does not erase that. Besides, these are U-20 teams, not full national sides. This has no bearing on this argument

Copa America 2004 (USA did not Qualify) - 12 teams That's like saying Argentina sucks because they "did not qualify" for the Gold Cup, or AC Milan sucks because they "did not qualify" for Copa Libertadores.

Olympics 2004 (USA did not Qualify) - 16 teamsWe didn't qualify because the retarded qualification system meant our U-23s had to go to Azteca and win in order to do so. Again, U-23s... Iraq is not a world power because of their good showing in Greece, and lots of quality soccer nations didn't make the Olympics.

[vailpass]

This was a wierd post.... Im not sure we are on the same page... let me put it on the same level (Football) so you would understand. After 9/11, if anyone asked you if you liked the Raiders or the Broncos, would you have said, I have nothing bad to say about them after the situation our country is going through...????

Being from Argentina, I never liked the British (Falkland Isles / Islas Malvinas) but that doesnt mean I dont apreciate the fact that they are going through a tough time... i pray for their familes, my job consists of talking to them day in and day out because I am an international manager for my company...

But that doesnt mean you cannot hate the organization of a Soccer team in the UK....

I hope this makes sense...the last thing I want is anyone to think that I liked the bombings and have only bad things to say about Britain...


Your post makes total sense; of course you can dislike a team while respecting the country. My comment did not come from anything you said but rather my own feelings. Five seconds before I made that post I had been on MSNBC reading about the subway drivers who are now afraid to do their jobs.
I probably had no right/reason to make that statement here anyway; it borders on political.
Again, nothing you said in any way reflects that you don't support the people of England.

It looks like Metro finally figured out how to quit taking the bait so I guess I'll dismiss myself a little early today and head on out into the Phoenix sun. Have a good weekend all.

[carlos3652]

The US beat Argentina and won the Group of Death. One very bad game full of terrible luck against Italy in the knockout round does not erase that. Besides, these are U-20 teams, not full national sides. This has no bearing on this argument

That's like saying Argentina sucks because they "did not qualify" for the Gold Cup, or AC Milan sucks because they "did not qualify" for Copa Libertadores.

We didn't qualify because the retarded qualification system meant our U-23s had to go to Azteca and win in order to do so. Again, U-23s... Iraq is not a world power because of their good showing in Greece, and lots of quality soccer nations didn't make the Olympics.

Points taken Psi... but on your second point you are wrong.... Argentina cannot qualify for the Gold cup???, and AC Milan cannot qualify for the Copa Libertadores, this are regional tournaments

I thought the US can participate in Copa America, Mexico and Costa Rica qualified...??? I might be wrong but I think they can... Not sure why Colombia played in the Gold Cup this year??? Not sure how they qualified... were they invited...??? They did nothing that I know of to merit such...

[Pants]

Hey hey hey now you feisty soccer boy you; you're getting all crazy again. Am I not allowed to ask questions and learn?
You mean the National team isn't the same one that plays in the Olympics? It is in the real sports (basketball, football, hockey,curling, syncronized swimming,etc.) so I thought it might be in soccer too.
I realize you've been a member of this board for almost a whole year; I wouldn't try to fool you. I think soccer is fine for other countries but it doesn't play in America; why does that make you so mad?
You can still see it if you want, Telemundo carries it in the middle of the night when it won't interfere with the broadcast of any real games.

Heh, I don't think you understand, I'm not angry. I know you don't know this, but soccer powers don't take Olympics serioulsy, teams send their B and C squads unless they're Iraq or some such. You're allowed to ask questions and learn, but what does that have to do with this thread? Are you implying you were simply asking questions and learning about soccer?

Also, ESPN consistently shows the Champions League, World Cups, etc. There is also a channel called Fox Soccer Channel (formerly Fox World Sports) and it shows soccer 24/7. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean "America" doesn't like it... this was my whole point about your ignorance.

[Ultra Peanut]

I thought the US can participate in Copa America, Mexico and Costa Rica qualified...??? I might be wrong but I think they can...We could compete, much like Colombia, Brazil, or South Africa (or yes, Argentina, if they so chose) can/have/could play in the Gold Cup as guests if invited, but we choose not to, for whatever reason (most frequent excu--err, reason is the travel and the timing).

[Ultra Peanut]

Also, ESPN consistently shows the Champions League, World Cups, etc. There is also a channel called Fox Soccer Channel (formerly Fox World Sports) and it shows soccer 24/7.Don't forget GolTV and Setanta Sports...

[Pants]

It looks like Metro finally figured out how to quit taking the bait so I guess I'll dismiss myself a little early today and head on out into the Phoenix sun. Have a good weekend all.

I love when people resort to this once they realize they got owned. Reminds me of c4me and Kotter (the old version).

[Ultra Peanut]

I love when people resort to this once they realize they got owned. Reminds me of c4me and Kotter (the old version).Get schooled in an argument? Don't worry, just play the, "Haha u sux0rz i was just tryin 2 mess wit u n00b!" card!

[Pants]

Get schooled in an argument? Don't worry, just play the, "Haha u sux0rz i was just tryin 2 mess wit u n00b!" card!

ROFL

[carlos3652]

OK Psi, so tell me who has the US played to merit a #6 position in the world... when they no one (except Mexico) there is a reason only 3.5 teams come out of the CONCAF (out of 34 participants) and 4.5 teams come out of South America (out of 10 Participants)

[Pants]

OK Psi, so tell me who has the US played to merit a #6 position in the world... when they no one (except Mexico) there is a reason only 3.5 teams come out of the CONCAF (out of 34 participants) and 4.5 teams come out of South America (out of 10 Participants)

Who has Argentina played to merit #2? This argument is silly, let's stop while we are ahead.

[Ultra Peanut]

I never said we deserved the #6 spot (somewhere in the 10-ish range would be much more appropriate, IMHO), but your reasoning for why Argentina deserves #2 and the US doesn't deserve #6 was flawed, at best.

[BigRedChief]

This poll is worthless without a "Gaz" option. Not to mention an option to vote that the sport is a pussified sport.

[Ultra Peanut]

As well as the option to vote that BigRedChief is so insecure in his "masculinity" that he feels the need to prove how big and bad he is by badmouthing a sport on an internet forum.

[carlos3652]

Who has Argentina played to merit #2? This argument is silly, let's stop while we are ahead.

Argentina played in the last 5 months:

Brazil (2) 1 win, 1 loss
Germany (2) both times in Germany - 2 ties
Mexico (2) 1 win, 1 tie

Thats 4 games vs TOP 5 talent in the last 5 months... going 2-1-1 only losing to #1.

And coming in 2nd @ the FIFA Confederations Cup 2005 where the champions from the regions compete...

But you are right this is silly... :harumph:

I love talking soccer with you guys though... you guys follow it well...

[carlos3652]

I never said we deserved the #6 spot (somewhere in the 10-ish range would be much more appropriate, IMHO), but your reasoning for why Argentina deserves #2 and the US doesn't deserve #6 was flawed, at best.


Point taken, I still dont think US deserves a TOP 10 spot... TOP 15 yes... TOP 10 hmm not so sure..

Gotta run, but it was nice PSI, you made good points on my crap...