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petegz28
11-20-2005, 04:00 PM
I know a lot of us were making fun of their off-season moves but right now they are looking like a huge payoff.

What makes this team so good this year?

Mecca
11-20-2005, 04:01 PM
Jake Plummer stopped throwing the ball to the other team.

joesomebody
11-20-2005, 04:03 PM
Because I hate them. Because I once again had high hopes this year. Thats why.

JBucc
11-20-2005, 04:03 PM
Plummer doesn't have to think anymore. They still have a great run game and the D-line is healthy and playing well and probably some luck in there too.

beer bacon
11-20-2005, 04:04 PM
Great running game, efficient passing game, and pretty good defense.

ChiefsfaninPA
11-20-2005, 04:05 PM
The amazing part of that is that a big part of there defense came from the Browns.

Deberg_1990
11-20-2005, 04:05 PM
Shanny is a good coach. Denver has always been competative under him. They will probably win the division but they wont win in the playoffs.

CupidStunt
11-20-2005, 04:05 PM
I actually thought they'd be quite good, just not this good. Them and SD are real teams, what we aspire to be. They're also far more complete without a HUGE hole. SD has pass defense but they have a pass-rush to compensate some.

petegz28
11-20-2005, 04:05 PM
I agree everty team playing as good as they are has the ball bouncing their way too. But it just seems like that they are doing what we used to do back in the MArty days. Line up then execute. And play like you want to win.

DV is very soft compared to Shanahan and I think that is the difference there.

Hammock Parties
11-20-2005, 04:06 PM
The Jets suck. Don't start sucking off Denver just yet.

Deberg_1990
11-20-2005, 04:07 PM
I agree everty team playing as good as they are has the ball bouncing their way too. But it just seems like that they are doing what we used to do back in the MArty days. Line up then execute. And play like you want to win.

DV is very soft compared to Shanahan and I think that is the difference there.

I dont think any of us would argue with you on any of these points.

petegz28
11-20-2005, 04:08 PM
The Jets suck. Don't start sucking off Denver just yet.


Aside from one game this year Denver has pretty much kicked ass all year. They beat the crap out of Philly, never came down to 1 play with them and Raiders. They beat SD. They beat the crap out of us. They are mowing down the Jets the way they should.

I say them and Indy in the AFC Championship right now.

Hammock Parties
11-20-2005, 04:12 PM
Denver doesn't have a road win that impresses me yet.

Rain Man
11-20-2005, 04:14 PM
They cheat.
They chop-block.
They cheat on the salary cap.
They're lucky.
They use cooking spray.
They hold on offense.
They interfere with the draft.
They have a deal with Satan.
They are Satan.

stevieray
11-20-2005, 04:16 PM
refs keep their opening drives alive at home.

Black Jack Savage
11-20-2005, 04:20 PM
Denver is good, but they are one dimensional offensively. Our problem is that we cannot exploit that, and they haven't played a defense that can do that thus far.

Plain and simple, there aren't many good defenses in the NFL right now, and even the really good ones have a hard time against a team that constantly cut blocks and gets away with it because they are Denver.

They also have not had to play from behind this year at all, and when they do they will get exposed for what they are--a team that can't rely on their quarterback to win games for them. They can only rely on Plummer to not lose games.

OldTownChief
11-20-2005, 04:22 PM
They are a balanced, complete football team. Something we have not seen in years.

Black Jack Savage
11-20-2005, 04:25 PM
They are not balanced. They are nothing without their running game. Even their passing game is a running game in disguise. It's all a derivative of the sprint right option play. If you put 9 in the box and actually have speed on defense as well as the discipline for people to use gap contain to filter them in you can beat them.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-20-2005, 04:26 PM
Denver is good, but they are one dimensional offensively. Our problem is that we cannot exploit that, and they haven't played a defense that can do that thus far.

Plain and simple, there aren't many good defenses in the NFL right now, and even the really good ones have a hard time against a team that constantly cut blocks and gets away with it because they are Denver.

They also have not had to play from behind this year at all, and when they do they will get exposed for what they are--a team that can't rely on their quarterback to win games for them. They can only rely on Plummer to not lose games.

Pretty much.

OldTownChief
11-20-2005, 04:30 PM
They are not balanced. They are nothing without their running game. Even their passing game is a running game in disguise. It's all a derivative of the sprint right option play. If you put 9 in the box and actually have speed on defense as well as the discipline for people to use gap contain to filter them in you can beat them.


That's a lot of if's. So far today they have run for 92 yds. and thrown for 144 in the 1st half. Pretty balanced.

Black Jack Savage
11-20-2005, 04:34 PM
No it's not, it's one scheme, DECENT talent, and some motherf*ckin discipline. It's good coaching and some skill on the field, that's all it is.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-20-2005, 04:40 PM
Holding and cutblocking goes a long way for a line that small...hehe

Black Jack Savage
11-20-2005, 04:43 PM
Holding and cutblocking goes a long way for a line that small...hehe

F*ckin A' right man.

CupidStunt
11-20-2005, 04:48 PM
No it's not, it's one scheme, DECENT talent, and some motherf*ckin discipline. It's good coaching and some skill on the field, that's all it is.

So?

They are balanced. Sure, they suck without the running game. Uh, newsflash: so does KC. And I bet SD would struggle without it, too.

In fact, most teams in the entire fricken league would. Running sets up everything.

Bottom line, they are a FAR AND AWAY better coached team than us, with more consistently and discipline, defensive talent and offensive balance. Oh, AND special teams to rub salt into the wound.

OldTownChief
11-20-2005, 04:51 PM
No it's not, it's one scheme, DECENT talent, and some motherf*ckin discipline. It's good coaching and some skill on the field, that's all it is.

It will be interesting to see how they handle their next 3 games on the schedule. At Dallas, KC, and home for Balt. Should tell us how good they really are.

Black Jack Savage
11-20-2005, 04:53 PM
It will be interesting to see how they handle their next 3 games on the schedule. At Dallas, KC, and home for Balt. Should tell us how good they really are.

I agree. If they beat us in KC then I'll put them in the AFC championship.

GoTrav
11-20-2005, 04:55 PM
their at home, and against a shitty Jets team?

OldTownChief
11-20-2005, 04:55 PM
I agree. If they beat us in KC then I'll put them in the AFC championship.


Only to be destroyed by Indy...AGAIN.

Black Jack Savage
11-20-2005, 04:55 PM
What I'm saying is that they have NO passing game without a running game. SD and KC (with Roaf) can sit back and sling the ball if they need to in order to get back into a game. If Plummer has to pass from the pocket he's passing for 40 percent and throwing 3-4 picks. That is not a balanced football team. They are exactly like Pittsburgh. If you can't rely on your QB to win games when the going gets tough, you aren't really balanced.

OldTownChief
11-20-2005, 04:56 PM
their at home, and against a shitty Jets team?


They're police in 3...2...1...

keg in kc
11-20-2005, 05:10 PM
They're not "good". They're the 90's Chiefs. They won't win when it counts.

mikey23545
11-20-2005, 06:05 PM
They're not "good". They're the Vermeil Chiefs. They won't win a lot of the time.

Fixed your post for you...

Red Dawg
11-20-2005, 06:30 PM
Denver has no shot at the SB. Either Indy or Pitt will definitely beat them in the playoffs.

keg in kc
11-20-2005, 06:31 PM
Fixed your post for you...I'd prefer if you just shut the f*ck up, but whatever floats your boat. Moron.

Johnson&Johnson
11-20-2005, 06:34 PM
Denver has no shot at the SB. Either Indy or Pitt will definitely beat them in the playoffs.

Umm.. correction. The team that everyone overlooks is the JAcksonville Jaguars.

Jags has the best shot at taking down Colts, Donks or Steeles in postseason.

Garcia Bronco
11-20-2005, 06:38 PM
They cheat.
They chop-block.
They cheat on the salary cap.
They're lucky.
They use cooking spray.
They hold on offense.
They interfere with the draft.
They have a deal with Satan.
They are Satan.

That's us

Boardin Bronco
11-21-2005, 12:20 AM
Plain and simple, there aren't many good defenses in the NFL right now, and even the really good ones have a hard time against a team that constantly cut blocks and gets away with it because they are Denver.

Gets away with cut blocking? Cut blocking is a legal football manuever from the high school ranks to the pros. No matter how much you folks cry about them, they are part of the game.

ceebz
11-21-2005, 12:23 AM
Denver will lose 4 of their last 6, followed by a first round loss in the playoffs, again.

Quote me on that.

gcbroncos
11-21-2005, 01:52 AM
They are not balanced. They are nothing without their running game. Even their passing game is a running game in disguise. It's all a derivative of the sprint right option play. If you put 9 in the box and actually have speed on defense as well as the discipline for people to use gap contain to filter them in you can beat them.

Not balanced?....I think you need to look up the word in the dictionary and then re-evaluate your comments...

Our balance is what keeps us going on offense....

What team IS good w/o a run game?

You put 9 in the box on us and we'll toast you...that's why you don't see anyone doing that....

MGRS13
11-21-2005, 06:50 AM
The refs love them...and they don't play road games.

fan4ever
11-21-2005, 09:32 AM
When the Broncos have to come from behind, and Jake has to do something besides rolling out and throwing those little ten yard dink passes 50% of the pass plays, you'll see the faulty design of Shannahan. Jake has finally stopped throwing incredibly stupid passes because on these roll out plays, he's only really having to deal with 1/2 of the football field, and his brain is able to process that reduced amount of information. Wait until they're down a couple of scores, and watch Jake have to rely on pocket passing and going down field.

HemiEd
11-21-2005, 09:42 AM
They cheat.
They chop-block.
They cheat on the salary cap.
They're lucky.
They use cooking spray.
They hold on offense.
They interfere with the draft.
They have a deal with Satan.
They are Satan.


Perfect

Dr. Johnny Fever
11-21-2005, 09:52 AM
What makes this team so good this year?
Their deal with the devil.

Braincase
11-21-2005, 10:14 AM
Mike Shanahan went to the Crossroads, and had the Devil tighten the spring on his clipboard, and tune his whistle.

ChiefsCountry
11-21-2005, 10:28 AM
Denver will lose the next 2 weeks. Dallas and us will get them.

ceebz
11-21-2005, 10:31 AM
Denver will lose the next 2 weeks. Dallas and us will get them.


Then they play Baltimore. I know the Ravens aren't very good this year but, they've dominated the donkeys in recent years.

Donkeys reeling from two straight road losses, and then they play Baltimore?

I like it. http://justinmg.home.comcast.net/forums/gshappy.gif

TEX
11-21-2005, 10:37 AM
They're good but we'll see how good in the weeks to come. Thus far, they did what they had to do early, and that is take advantage of the way their schedule played out. They are simply playing .500 on the road (when they actually do play on the road) and winning at home. The schedule makers did them a HUGE favor early on (again) with getting to play so many home games in the first half of the year. Even at this point, they have played 6 home games to only 4 road games,and none have been back-to-back on the road. In fact, they only play back-to-back road games ONCE all year. (At Dallas and at KC is coming up).

They have also managed to stay relatively healthy and they have a very good defense.
Just my take on things.

vailpass
11-21-2005, 10:38 AM
Denver will lose the next 2 weeks. Dallas and us will get them.

Keep on waiting for the Bronco collapse Chiefs fans, most of you predicted it would have already occurred.

This year's Denver team has a good mix of veterans and young studs who all have the right attitude instilled by the coaching staff: go tough from start to finish without making dumb mistakes.

Shannahan has done a damn fine job so far with this group; IMHO it's the best coaching season he has had since arriving at Denver. Of course he doesn't give out very many hugs but......

Mile High Mania
11-21-2005, 11:18 AM
The road schedule is tough... and I'm glad that throttling the Texans has made this place happy again.

HemiEd
11-21-2005, 11:30 AM
Keep on waiting for the Bronco collapse
Shannahan has done a damn fine job so far with this group; IMHO it's the best coaching season ......


The road schedule is tough... and I'm glad that throttling the Texans has made this place happy again.


We had a lot of fun laughing at Shannahan about the "Browncos", but it is starting to look like he knew what he was doing. It may have been the steal of the decade from my current perspective.

vailpass
11-21-2005, 11:49 AM
We had a lot of fun laughing at Shannahan about the "Browncos", but it is starting to look like he knew what he was doing. It may have been the steal of the decade from my current perspective.

Howdy Ed,
Congrats on treating the Texans like doormats yesterday. LJ looked pretty good.

As to the draft/free agent signings Shanny pulled off this year IMHO the only way to gauge whether any moves made are worth a darn is if they result in playoff success. Another first-round exit would make this year's team the same as the others.

HemiEd
11-21-2005, 11:59 AM
Howdy Ed,
Congrats on treating the Texans like doormats yesterday. LJ looked pretty good.

As to the draft/free agent signings Shanny pulled off this year IMHO the only way to gauge whether any moves made are worth a darn is if they result in playoff success. Another first-round exit would make this year's team the same as the others.

Hey Vail!
It was fun to watch a laugher, it has been a while since the Jets game. Our "notso Special Teams" tried to make it closer than it ended up.

I was concerned when the Broncos signed Plummer, but it turned out ok until recently. Now, this Defensive line thing has me concerned as I pull out of denial. Those guys were all Browns first rounders IIRC, apparantly not all busts dang it.