Who do you choose? [Archive]

milehighfan

11-28-2005, 01:40 PM

I like T. Bell a lot. Plus, they can be fairly effective with Mike Anderson and Dayne if they have to. Probably not as explosive as LJ, but they can suffer an injury and still be fairly productive. I think priest is done.

Dunit35

11-28-2005, 01:42 PM

Priest, LJ.

jspchief

11-28-2005, 01:52 PM

Priest and LJ. No contest.

That duo in Denver's blocking scheme would easily out-perform your current RB corps.

Iowanian

11-28-2005, 01:54 PM

This isn't much tougher than say....Choosing between collecting $200 owed vs having Bill Braskey kick my ass.

Priest and LJ hands down, and anyone who would take Denver's backfield instead probably wears a hockey helmet during waking hours...or at least should.

milehighfan

11-28-2005, 01:57 PM

Priest and LJ. No contest.

That duo in Denver's blocking scheme would easily out-perform your current RB corps.

So, instead of (Bell, Dayne and Anderson) you would choose Shanahan?

vailpass

11-28-2005, 01:58 PM

Iowanian

11-28-2005, 01:59 PM

Its a damn shame that the pregnant mothers of so many Donk fans chose to eat their Cheerios with Night Train and thalidimide instead of milk and sugar.

milehighfan

11-28-2005, 02:03 PM

I actually think LJ is a hell of a back. I'm not sold that the chief will be able to control him off the field though. If the chiefs don't make the playoffs this year and maybe next, I expect LJ will be a problem. Denver has had decent luck with keeping egos in check in the runnin back area.

jspchief

11-28-2005, 02:04 PM

So, instead of (Bell, Dayne and Anderson) you would choose Shanahan?No.

What I'm saying is that I belive Denver's RBs are a product of their system, but in general are average to below average. Holmes and LJ would be more likely to succeed regardless of the system they were in, and would be more successful than Bell, Dayne, Anderson in any system.

What the hell do any of Denver's RBs do better than Holmes and Johnson?

Rausch

11-28-2005, 02:06 PM

I like Anderson better than Bell, but LJ better than either of them.

Anderson is probably the more polished HB but LJ has far more talent...

vailpass

11-28-2005, 02:07 PM

No.

What I'm saying is that I belive Denver's RBs are a product of their system, but in general are average to below average. Holmes and LJ would be more likely to succeed regardless of the system they were in, and would be more successful than Bell, Dayne, Anderson in any system.

What the hell do any of Denver's RBs do better than Holmes and Johnson?

Acquire playoff tickets for their families :p

Seek

11-28-2005, 02:07 PM

HemiEd

11-28-2005, 02:08 PM

If I'm understanding the question correctly the option is for an injured, and therefore unable to play, Priest plus LJ vs. Denver's three RBs.
In this scenario you have to factor in the possibility that LJ goes down leaving you with nothing or one of Denver's backs goes down lwaving you with the other two.
IMHO that makes the choice a whole lot tougher.

Yep, when LJ went down yesterday it was not a comfortable feeling I had. It was stated in some other posts, we need to start getting Dee Brown some reps. I keep hearing that LJ demands to stay in, well DV needs to stand up to him and tell him to set his ass down.

milehighfan

11-28-2005, 02:08 PM

If I'm understanding the question correctly the option is for an injured, and therefore unable to play, Priest plus LJ vs. Denver's three RBs.
In this scenario you have to factor in the possibility that LJ goes down leaving you with nothing or one of Denver's backs goes down lwaving you with the other two.
IMHO that makes the choice a whole lot tougher.

My whole point is I think Priest may be done. Now KC is left with only LJ. Would you take the broncos 3 decent backs or would you rather have the explosive/implosive LJ only?

AZforBroncos

11-28-2005, 02:09 PM

if priest wasn't injured and his career not in jeopardy, i would take priest + LJ pretty easily cause priest is a superb back. otherwise, i go with bell + dayne + anderson...it ensures we're deep and can handle any injuries, always have a fresh back in the fourth quarter, and can punish up the middle as well as having one of the better big play backs in the league.

StcChief

11-28-2005, 02:11 PM

So what is the booger-picker Shana-rat involved in this.
Like he's the difference maker?

LJ, Priest would rule in Dungver.

vailpass

11-28-2005, 02:13 PM

I like Anderson better than Bell, but LJ better than either of them.

Anderson is probably the more polished HB but LJ has far more talent...

This time next year will be a good time to tell whether LJ is an actual feature back or not. He is coming off of big games against the two worst defenses in the NFL.

Let's see how he does against real defenses that include him in their gameplan week in and week out for a whole season while getting 20-30 carries a game after half the current KC O-line retires.

vailpass

11-28-2005, 02:17 PM

So what is the booger-picker Shana-rat involved in this.
Like he's the difference maker?

LJ, Priest would rule in Dungver.

Wrong. Denver's running scheme is not for everyone. It is a disciplined stretch offense that relies on quick hits.

Priest would be damn good if he would conform to the one-cut- and- run-downhill system.

LJ has a bit too much Clinton Portis attitude in him to make it in Denver. He would be flashing that ghetto diamond sign out of the plane window while his ass was being traded to Washington.

Extra Point

11-28-2005, 02:22 PM

Priest and LJ. No contest.

That duo in Denver's clipping and holding scheme would easily out-perform your current RB corps.

Fixed your post. Hope you fixed your car problem.

Rausch

11-28-2005, 02:22 PM

Let's see how he does against real defenses that include him in their gameplan week in and week out for a whole season while getting 20-30 carries a game after half the current KC O-line retires.

LJ tore up the Broncos last year when you were a top defense.

Next year Bell may be more productive but the question was obviously meant to ask who you would take NOW (pointed out by the inclusion of the injured Holmes.)

Right now the Donks are the no 1 team stopping the run. If LJ tops 100 against you guys I'd say that proves he's one tough hombre...

milehighfan

11-28-2005, 02:23 PM

LJ has a bit too much Clinton Portis attitude in him to make it in Denver. He would be flashing that ghetto diamond sign out of the plane window while his ass was being traded to Washington.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. the league, coaches and fans have become somewhat tired of the attention grabbing, I need more money antics of players on the field. Fans continue to pay higher ticket prices while listening to players complain about only making 5 million this year. I think all running backs and wide receivers should do like the Denver O line and keep their F'ing mouths shut and let their play do the talking.

Mark M

11-28-2005, 02:27 PM

Acquire playoff tickets for their families :p

Okay ... I have to admit it ... that's some good stuff right there.

MM
~~ROFL :cuss:

vailpass

11-28-2005, 02:29 PM

LJ tore up the Broncos last year when you were a top defense.

Next year Bell may be more productive but the question was obviously meant to ask who you would take NOW (pointed out by the inclusion of the injured Holmes.)

Right now the Donks are the no 1 team stopping the run. If LJ tops 100 against you guys I'd say that proves he's one tough hombre...

I think its already been established that LJ is tough. You don't make it to the NFL without being tough.
IMHO you can't tell whether a RB is the real deal until they are the starter for a season. Anderson is starting over Bell because he has proved to be more durable over a season. I'm not knocking LJs ability, I'm taking a wait-and-see.
This Sunday will be very interesting, I can't wait to see how it plays out.
Denver really wants to win and KC really has to; it should be a frigging head knocker.

Rausch

11-28-2005, 02:32 PM

Denver really wants to win and KC really has to; it should be a frigging head knocker.

You look at the last 6 meetings and the team that runs better wins.

Ground game and turnovers are deciding factors this time...

htismaqe

11-28-2005, 02:36 PM

LJ tore up the Broncos last year when you were a top defense.

Next year Bell may be more productive but the question was obviously meant to ask who you would take NOW (pointed out by the inclusion of the injured Holmes.)

Right now the Donks are the no 1 team stopping the run. If LJ tops 100 against you guys I'd say that proves he's one tough hombre...

Exactly.

The Bronco defense last year gave up 3.82 ypc. Johnson took them for 30 carries, 151 yards, and 2 TD's.

The Bronco defense this year is giving up 3.98 ypc.

There's only one way the Broncos stop Larry Johnson.

Denver's defense is 2nd in the league in rushing yards per game and 1st in attempts against. They're 28th in the league in passing yards per game and 32nd in attempts against.

Denver needs to get an early lead and hold it. This game isn't about their defense, it's about their offense.

stevieray

11-28-2005, 02:40 PM

I think the fact that you are comparing three backs to two
(basically one) answers your question.

There is no comparison.

Mark M

11-28-2005, 02:42 PM

Denver needs to get an early lead and hold it. This game isn't about their defense, it's about their offense.

I think we have a winner.

The Chiefs have GOT to get to a lead early -- and FGs ain't gonna cut it.

If they do that, they take away the play-action Jake relies upon and force him into making stupid mistakes. He's been doing well this year because he's played within the system and stopped trying to be Elway.

But he can be rattled and piss the game away, and that's something he seems to do often at Arrowhead. (Anyone know his career stats in KC?).

Get a lead, get the crowd going, steamroll LJ through their defense, and the INTs will fall like rain.

MM
~~:thumb:

vailpass

11-28-2005, 02:42 PM

Exactly.

The Bronco defense last year gave up 3.82 ypc. Johnson took them for 30 carries, 151 yards, and 2 TD's.

The Bronco defense this year is giving up 3.98 ypc.

There's only one way the Broncos stop Larry Johnson.
Denver's defense is 2nd in the league in rushing yards per game and 1st in attempts against. They're 28th in the league in passing yards per game and 32nd in attempts against.

Denver needs to get an early lead and hold it. This game isn't about their defense, it's about their offense.

LJ has a long way to go before he proves he is a reasonable replacement for Priest, as much as KC fans would like to believe otherwise.

Denver's D does not need any help in containing LJ, and that's all they have to do to keep KC's offense between the 20s. On paper it looks like KC's scoring will come 3 points at a time.

Saul Good

11-28-2005, 02:50 PM

My whole point is I think Priest may be done. Now KC is left with only LJ. Would you take the broncos 3 decent backs or would you rather have the explosive/implosive LJ only?

If LJ goes down, all we have to do is go out and find a high-round draft pick who didn't make an NFL roster. Where is Maurice Clarett anyway?

morphius

11-28-2005, 02:50 PM

Priest and LJ with a healthy Chiefs OL and and OC that knows the best way to use them.

vailpass

11-28-2005, 02:55 PM

If LJ goes down, all we have to do is go out and find a high-round draft pick who didn't make an NFL roster. Where is Maurice Clarett anyway?

He's hanging out with Snoop Minnis waiting for Kris Wilson to arrive.

JohninGpt

11-28-2005, 02:57 PM

Let's see how he does against real defenses that include him in their gameplan week in and week out for a whole season while getting 20-30 carries a game after half the current KC O-line retires.
Now that's just silly. When will Anderson and Bell have to run behind a brand new O-line to prove their worthiness?
Here is how it looks to me this year:

Larry Johnson KC 968 191 5.1 9 46
Mike Anderson DEN 813 187 4.3 8 44

Johnson has 155 more yards than Anderson, but that's ok, because he had four more carries. Bell is a few spots farther down the list.
Good enough for me.

vailpass

11-28-2005, 03:04 PM

Now that's just silly. When will Anderson and Bell have to run behind a brand new O-line to prove their worthiness?
Here is how it looks to me this year:

Larry Johnson KC 968 191 5.1 9 46
Mike Anderson DEN 813 187 4.3 8 44

Johnson has 155 more yards than Anderson, but that's ok, because he had four more carries. Bell is a few spots farther down the list.
Good enough for me.

John,
I made that comment because it appears that KC's 2 best O-linemen will retire next year and IMO that will factor into LJ's performance in 2006 and beyond.
Again, I'm not knocking LJ but, like any NFL RB, his performance over the course of an entire season will tell the tale.

htismaqe

11-28-2005, 03:17 PM

LJ has a long way to go before he proves he is a reasonable replacement for Priest, as much as KC fans would like to believe otherwise.

Denver's D does not need any help in containing LJ, and that's all they have to do to keep KC's offense between the 20s. On paper it looks like KC's scoring will come 3 points at a time.

This isn't about LJ replacing Priest, it's likely he'll NEVER do that.

This is about LJ putting up big numbers on the Donks, just like he did last year.

Stick your fingers in your ear, let's see how it goes.

vailpass

11-28-2005, 03:58 PM

This isn't about LJ replacing Priest, it's likely he'll NEVER do that.

This is about LJ putting up big numbers on the Donks, just like he did last year.

Stick your fingers in your ear, let's see how it goes.

WTF?

Skyy God

11-28-2005, 04:04 PM

Its a damn shame that the pregnant mothers of so many Donk fans chose to eat their Cheerios with Night Train and thalidimide instead of milk and sugar.

This just may be the crack of the year. Nothing beats a flipper baby insult.

Lzen

12-05-2005, 01:32 PM