It's gonna be Butch Davis

[ILChief]

just seems like a "Carl move"

[Imon Yourside]

I hope this is a jinx thread.

[Brock]

I don't see it happening.

[kcfanXIII]

god NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i can't even stand his segmant on the NFL network

[BigChief68]

just seems like a "Carl move"

Lets hope NOT!!!!!!!!

[nascher]

he is already signed rumor central chiefsplanet.

[B2chiefsfan]

NNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[Tribal Warfare]

I have a little puke in my mouth just thinking about it.

[Imon Yourside]

Surprise Surprise Surprise Lebo wants Butch Davis, which has nothing to do with the fact he's an Oklahoma grad.

[greenisgod10]

Butch Davis is a joke...i'd rather let Al have a shot then butch, but i think Carl should go after gregg williams. snyder is bluffing about matching any offer, hes all talk, and williams could bring the old defensive mentality back to the chiefs cause god knows gunther hasn't.

[dirk digler]

Surprise Surprise Surprise Lebo wants Butch Davis, which has nothing to do with the fact he's an Oklahoma grad.

I heard that as well, he thinks Stoops chokes in big games or at least that is what I took from what he was saying

[dirk digler]

Does anyone know the D stats for the Browns under Davis?

[Mecca]

Butch Davis is a joke...i'd rather let Al have a shot then butch, but i think Carl should go after gregg williams. snyder is bluffing about matching any offer, hes all talk, and williams could bring the old defensive mentality back to the chiefs cause god knows gunther hasn't.

You do realize Gregg Williams was a worse head coach than Davis right? Buffalo players made fun of the guy for being a dope, I view Williams as worse than Davis in the head coaching area.

[nychief]

the miss use of "quotations" on this board is amazing.

[siberian khatru]

Does anyone know the D stats for the Browns under Davis?

Points allowed:
15
10
12
24

[dirk digler]

Points allowed:
15
10
12
24

Thanks

[Brock]

You do realize Gregg Williams was a worse head coach than Davis right? Buffalo players made fun of the guy for being a dope, I view Williams as worse than Davis in the head coaching area.

They haven't exactly kicked ass for the new guy either. Maybe the coach wasn't the problem.

[Mr. Laz]

Does anyone know the D stats for the Browns under Davis?

offense

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&season=2&year=2003


defense

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?sort=ypg&stat=team&pos=def&league=nfl&season=2&year=2003

change it to 2002 for more ... around 20 rank

[ILChief]

Butch Davis is a joke...i'd rather let Al have a shot then butch, but i think Carl should go after gregg williams. snyder is bluffing about matching any offer, hes all talk, and williams could bring the old defensive mentality back to the chiefs cause god knows gunther hasn't.

I'm not on board with hiring Davis, but what makes him a joke and Williams the answer? Davis's record as HC is bettter. I'm not enamored with either of them.

[Mecca]

They haven't exactly kicked ass for the new guy either. Maybe the coach wasn't the problem.

They did have a nice turnaround last year where they put together a streak at the end of the year and almost made the playoffs. They let Bledsoe go and not having a solid QB pretty much ruined thier season this year.

[Jamie]

I'm hoping the Butch Davis rumors are Carl's way of making everyone thankful for whoever he actually hires. "He sucks, but at least he's not Butch Davis!"

[dirk digler]

According to 610, Butch Davis was at the game yesterday as a "personal guest" of CP and he sat in the suite with CP.

[Brock]

I'm hoping the Butch Davis rumors are Carl's way of making everyone thankful for whoever he actually hires. "He sucks, but at least he's not Butch Davis!"

Right before Vermeil was hired, the rumor swirling around was Rick Neuheisel. So you may be on the money.

[Bowser]

According to 610, Butch Davis was at the game yesterday as a "personal guest" of CP and he sat in the suite with CP.

Kinda like Vermeil did in 2000.

Shit.

[dirk digler]

Kinda like Vermeil did in 2000.

Shit.

I messed up. Bob Stoops was a guest in CP suite at yesterday's game.

[Eleazar]

I wouldn't be upset. He didn't succeed in Cleveland, but he inherited absolutely jack. He took over a team that had won a total of 5 games over the previous two seasons. The offense was dead last in the league, the defense in the bottom two or three. It would have been rough for anyone to turn that franchise around. He went 7-9, then 9-7, but the team regressed in the third year to 5-11.

In Cleveland, the cupboard was totally bare. But the Chiefs are not a team that someone is going to have to implode and rebuild from the ground up. 2 or 3 key acquisitions on either side of the ball along with some new coaching philosophies might be all that it takes for this team to get to the next level.

Not every good football coach is immediately successful in the NFL. He can coach football, everyone knows that, the question is whether he can make the personnel moves. Butch Davis had a hell of a hill to climb in Cleveland after Palmer's abject failure in thier expansion seasons. I wouldn't expect the same thing to happen again. I would consider him.

[chefsos]

I messed up. Bob Stoops was a guest in CP suite at yesterday's game.

Eh, it's a minor detail. Trent Green said Butch was at training camp as a guest, though, so this quote still applies:Kinda like Vermeil did in 2000.

Shit.

[Alphaman]

I'm not on board with hiring Davis, but what makes him a joke and Williams the answer? Davis's record as HC is bettter. I'm not enamored with either of them.

When I first heard about Davis yesterday, I was totally disgusted. However, from what I could gather, Davis did pretty well in Cleveland until the cap forced him to cut some vets. He and the leadership there didn't manage the cap very well. He won't have that responsibility in KC.

Before that he finished 2nd in the nation with the University of Miami going 11-1.

Before that he spent time alot of time with Jimmy Johnson as his D-Coordinator and D-Line coach in Dallas, at the Univ of Miami, and at Oklahoma State. We need help at D-Line coaching so that may be a good fit.

[gblowfish]

Play "Guess the Dictator" and use Carl Peterson!
http://www.smalltime.com/dictator.html

[greenisgod10]

Williams also didnt have any talent in buffalo. he has some in washington and look at his success. plus, hes defensive minded, something we need, and motivates his players well, similar to dick vermeil. regardless, i think we need a defensive minded coach to switch things up a little bit.

[FloridaMan88]

Williams also didnt have any talent in buffalo. he has some in washington and look at his success. plus, hes defensive minded, something we need, and motivates his players well, similar to dick vermeil. regardless, i think we need a defensive minded coach to switch things up a little bit.

Bullshit. He had talent in Buffalo. Bledsoe was a 4000 yard QB in 2002, he had decent WRs in Moulds and Price. An 1000 yard rusher in Travis Henry and then his third offseason there they brought in a lot of talent on defense, guys like Takeo Spikes, Jeff Posey, London Fletcher, Sam Adams, Lawyer Malloy and that third season his team totally collapsed and went 6-10.

Gregg Williams was a complete failure in Buffalo, and it wasn't because he didn't have the talent... he did a miserable job.

Those people who are quick to bash Butch Davis and kiss Gregg Williams ass forget the fact Butch Davis actually took the Browns to the playoffs (which is amazing considering how pathetic that franchise is), which is something Gregg Williams failed to do in Buffalo.

Butch Davis wouldn't be my choice to be the Chiefs next HC, but I'd rather have him compared to Gregg Williams.

[SLAG]

I just Heard a rumor that stoops has already accepted the job

[tomahawk kid]

I just Heard a rumor that stoops has already accepted the job

Excuse me while I go puke up a lung.

BUTCH FREAKING DAVIS?

This has to be a nightmare......

[SLAG]

Excuse me while I go puke up a lung.

BUTCH FREAKING DAVIS?

This has to be a nightmare......


Im pretty sure I said Stoops

[Chan93lx50]

Im pretty sure I said Stoops

And yes you did!

[Reaper16]

Im pretty sure I said Stoops
Interestingly, that produces the exact same lung-puking reaction.

[acasas4]

Gunther says he's interested in the job.:)

[KcMizzou]

I'd go with Gurnny.

[Chan93lx50]

Gunther says he's interested in the job.:)

I bet he is!

[jiveturkey]

There is no clear cut choice. Every option has had their flaws exposed.

It would really have to come down to the interview and the plan that each candidate presents.

From what I've read today 75% of this board is going to hate whoever gets the job.

[Chan93lx50]

There is no clear cut choice. Every option has had their flaws exposed.

It would really have to come down to the interview and the plan that each candidate presents.

From what I've read today 75% of this board is going to hate whoever gets the job.

I agree, hell I don't even know who in the hell I really want!

[jiveturkey]

I agree, hell I don't even know who in the hell I really want!I'm with ya. This has me leaning towards Saunders for now but I seriously doubt that he'll get the job.

I've heard a lot of the cases against and for the current front runners and all of them sound like the same person to me.

I'm hoping that there's an unknown dark horse that will present themselves at the last minute.

[Deberg_1990]

I'm hoping that there's an unknown dark horse that will present themselves at the last minute.

"Id like to Welcome a good friend of mine as the next head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs: Jim Mora"


Carl Peterson

[philfree]

There is no clear cut choice. Every option has had their flaws exposed.

It would really have to come down to the interview and the plan that each candidate presents.

From what I've read today 75% of this board is going to hate whoever gets the job.


You shouldn't even have to open a thread to know that ROFL


PhilFree:arrow:

[RINGLEADER]

if butch is signed the chiefs won't win 10 games in the next two years...

[FloridaMan88]

Butch Davis' coaching record= 24-35, 1 winning season, 1 playoff appearance

Gregg Williams' coaching record= 17-31, 0 winning seasons, 0 playoff appearances

Not sure why anyone would want either one, but if I had to choose one, I'd pick Butch.

[Mecca]

Butch Davis' coaching record= 24-35, 1 winning season, 1 playoff appearance

Gregg Williams' coaching record= 17-31, 0 winning seasons, 0 playoff appearances

Not sure why anyone would want either one, but if I had to choose one, I'd pick Butch.

You can add in that Buffalo had far more talent than Cleveland did when they were the coaches.

[Reaper16]

You can add in that Buffalo had far more talent than Cleveland did when they were the coaches.
AFC East was arguably a tougher division with Buffalo having to play tough Pats, Jets, and Dolphins teams twice a year. AFC North then still had the pre-Lewis' improvements Bengals, and Pittsburgh wasn't at the level they are now.

[Halfcan]

From DICK to BUTCH-there is a joke in there somewhere?

[greg63]

From DICK to BUTCH-there is a joke in there somewhere?
ROFL
...With fan reaction being the punch line.

[Reaper16]

From DICK to BUTCH-there is a joke in there somewhere?
Yes.

[ChiefaRoo]

"if butch is signed the chiefs won't win 10 games in the next two years..."


Well at least we'd get good draft picks so we could trade down into the second round and stock up on 4th rounders ;)~