Per Kietzman on 810....

[tomahawk kid]

Verduzco, Guinta, Ganz Jr, Hairston and Pugac have all been let go by the team.

[Saulbadguy]

GOOD re: Guinta, Ganz Jr, Hairston

[Brock]

UH-ohhhhh...

[Hammock Parties]

Sweet.

[siberian khatru]

Did they have to call in a SWAT team to ensure Verduzco leaves peacefully?

[Hoover]

Good this is what most of us wanted.

If I were Herm, I'd also fire Al Saunders just for Shits and giggles, its not like he is coming back as OC.

[morphius]

Sweet! Guinta dumped! There is a god!

[Bill Lundberg]

Sweet.


How many points is that?

[tk13]

Hopefully we can bring in the Jets special teams coach. I really haven't watched them much but it seems like everybody and their dog says their special teams coach is one of the best.

[tomahawk kid]

Sweet! Guinta dumped! There is a god!


That's what I was thinking.

So much for Carl picking Herm's staff.

[jspchief]

Guinta and Gansz Jr topped my wish list. This Herm guy is growing on me.

[Hammock Parties]

How many points is that?

I'm going to wait for official confirmation by the KC Star, but here are my initial feelings:

Verduzco: +0
Guinta: +1
Ganz Jr: +1
Hairston: +1
Pagac: +1

[siberian khatru]

Guinta and Gansz Jr topped my wish list. This Herm guy is growing on me.

Low-hanging fruit. Wait to see what he does with big-ticket items (to mix metaphors).

[Seek]

Now if he will clean house with the wasted players these guys kept around for too long. IE.. Bartee, Stills, McCleon, Woods.

[Kylo Ren]

What positions did these guys coach?
Verduzco - ??
Guinta - DBs?
Ganz Jr. - ST
Hairston - DL?
Pagac - LB?

[Cormac]

Wasn't Pagac Gun's choice going into last season? The one assistant he actually got to hire? Interesting if it's true.

[Rausch]

UH-ohhhhh...

Wait, I thought Herm was just Carl's puppet and all these guys would be retained...

[Hammock Parties]

What positions did these guys coach?
Verduzco - ??
Guinta - DBs?
Ganz Jr. - ST
Hairston - DL?
Pagac - LB?

Correct. Verduzco was TE coach.

[Cormac]

What positions did these guys coach?
Verduzco - ??
Guinta - DBs?
Ganz Jr. - ST
Hairston - DL?
Pagac - LB?

Verduzco was TE coach, IIRC. Giunta and Vernon Dean were co-DB coaches. What a sweet gig :)

[Mr. Laz]

change is good

[Kylo Ren]

Now if he will clean house with the wasted players these guys kept around for too long. IE.. Bartee, Stills, McCleon, Woods. ............and Hicks, Browning, Daulton.

[htismaqe]

Hallelujah!!!

[morphius]

Wasn't Pagac Gun's choice going into last season? The one assistant he actually got to hire? Interesting if it's true.
No, I think that was still a DV guy, just hired the same year.

[Coogs]

Low-hanging fruit. Wait to see what he does with big-ticket items (to mix metaphors).

Yep!

I am encouraged by the start of things though.

[Bob Dole]

What positions did these guys coach?
Verduzco - ??
Guinta - DBs?
Ganz Jr. - ST
Hairston - DL?
Pagac - LB?

For your bookmark collection:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coaches/

[Wile_E_Coyote]

is Hairston "Big Daddy"

[SLAG]

For your bookmark collection:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coaches/


ive got the 2004 Team Poster hanging in my Cube for quick reference

[tomahawk kid]

is Hairston "Big Daddy"

No. That's Billy Long.

[Alton deFlat]

How about Bob Karmelowicz, the DL coach? I heard the ax fell on him too.

[Logical]

PBJPBJPBJPBJPBJPBJ
Now just let Gun go and my defensive desires for the coaching staff will be complete.

[Rausch]

PBJPBJPBJPBJPBJPBJ
Now just let Gun go and my defensive desires for the coaching staff will be complete.

Who would you like to have as DC?...

[tomahawk kid]

How about Bob Karmelowicz, the DL coach? I heard the ax fell on him too.


Didn't catch that. Be great though.

[Logical]

Hopefully we can bring in the Jets special teams coach. I really haven't watched them much but it seems like everybody and their dog says their special teams coach is one of the best.Unfortunately he is under contract, so I don't think that is possible.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

No. That's Billy Long.

thanks :thumb:

[Logical]

Who would you like to have as DC?...My first choice is Marinelli (sp?)

[dirk digler]

This is all great news but what about dumb ass Gun?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

PBJPBJPBJPBJPBJPBJ
Now just let Gun go and my defensive desires for the coaching staff will be complete.


Yea, that would be just great, we could start to completely rebuild our Defensive scheme and in 4 years when our Offense sucks we'll have a top 5 Defense. Moron.

[Chief Faithful]

Nice start to the offseason. Considering Herm has not been around long enough to know these assistants how has he been so surgically accurate with his cuts? Do you think the weekly talks with DV had an impact or has Gun been providing more lists?

[Rausch]

My first choice is Marinelli (sp?)

Probably a good choice.

I'd like Capers or Marinelli.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

My first choice is Marinelli (sp?)


Who hasn't proven shit!

[Rausch]

Nice start to the offseason. Considering Herm has not been around long enough to know these assistants how has he been so surgically accurate with his cuts? Do you think the weekly talks with DV had an impact or has Gun been providing more lists?

I hear Peterson's been here for a while, he might have an opinion on who sucks ass...

[Coogs]

Yea, that would be just great, we could start to completely rebuild our Defensive scheme and in 4 years when our Offense sucks we'll have a top 5 Defense. Moron.

Or we could just stick with Gun. He has improve the defense 5 spots in 2 years. That is a pretty good rate.

[Chief Faithful]

How about Bob Karmelowicz, the DL coach? I heard the ax fell on him too.

That would be something. Isn't Karmelowicz the last coach left from the Marty years?

[FAX]

Now we have lots fewer coaches!

Break out the dancing bananas!!!

FAX

[siberian khatru]

Unfortunately he is under contract, so I don't think that is possible.

We should trade a 3rd-round pick for him.

[ChiefsCountry]

Can you say hello to:

Mike Westhoff
Special Teams
http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Westhoff_Mikeweb.jpg
http://www.newyorkjets.com/coaches/index.php?coaches_id=4#4

Donnie Henderson ;)
Defensive Backs
http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Henderson_Donnieweb.jpg

Bob Sutton
Linebackers
http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Sutton_Bobweb.jpg

[Chief Faithful]

I hear Peterson's been here for a while, he might have an opinion on who sucks ass...

If that's the case then I speculate Gun will survive the cut.

[htismaqe]

Someone should stick to hog farming.

Rod Marinelli hasn't proven shit.

[Otter]

If Peter Guinta is truely gone my hat goes off to Herm for getting off on the right foot. This was a long time coming.

Now Bartee and McLeon need to be shown the door.

[Hammock Parties]

Can you say hello to:

Mike Westhoff
Special Teams
http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Westhoff_Mikeweb.jpg
http://www.newyorkjets.com/coaches/index.php?coaches_id=4#4

Donnie Henderson ;)
Defensive Backs
http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Henderson_Donnieweb.jpg

Bob Sutton
Linebackers
http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Sutton_Bobweb.jpg

The only way we can steal these guys is if we promote them.

Am I wrong?

[Frankie]

I probably would have kept Pagac.

[dirk digler]

The only way we can steal these guys is if we promote them.

Am I wrong?

Since they are under contract the Jets have to give the Chiefs permission but the Jets aren't obliged to give it.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Someone should stick to hog farming.

Rod Marinelli hasn't proven shit.


I will.

I know. Thats what I said.

[Frankie]

My first choice is Marinelli (sp?)
Not Curt Shottenheimer?

[royr17]

Can somebody explain to me what a cover-2 defense is and how does it work ?

[Hammock Parties]

Can somebody explain to me what a cover-2 defense is and how does it work ?

http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/davie/1437187.html

[Logical]

Probably a good choice.

I'd like Capers or Marinelli.I know Capers is a good judge of defensive talent, but I do not recall what type of defense he runs. Hopefully not bend but don't break. As long as it is not that and he lets his best corner cover the best WR tight then most likely I would be fine with it.

[Logical]

Not Curt Shottenheimer?
:cuss:ROFL

[Spicy McHaggis]

Who hasn't proven shit!

Marinelli has sure as shit proved he can coach the DLine. He's been a top name for promotion to DC for a while now and is familiar with the Dungy/Edwards defensive scheme. Its not like Herm is pulling names out his ass. Him or Capers would be more than welcome to come call plays in KC.

[htismaqe]

I will.

I know. Thats what I said.

So, as a farmer, how does it feel to know that the livestock you tend to have a higher IQ than you do?

[Otter]

Can somebody explain to me what a cover-2 defense is and how does it work ?

http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/davie/1437187.html

[Carlota69]

Well so far it is awesome to see Herm taking care of the defensive side of things and not touching the offense (except for VerSpazzo).

Although I wouldn't start slashing my wrists if we kept Gun, I sure wouldn't mind someone familiar with Tampa Bays' style of D either.

[penchief]

............and Hicks, Browning, Daulton.

I don't know why people insist on dogging John Browning.

[dirk digler]

Per Nick:

List of Chiefs Coaches Looking for Work

JASON VERDUZCO, TIGHT ENDS COACH
PETER GIUNTA, DEFENSIVE BACKS COACH
FRED PAGAC, LINEBACKERS COACH (Could Come Back)
BOB KARMELOWICZ, DEFENSIVE LINE COACH
VERNON DEAN, ASSISTANT DEFENSIVE BACKS COACH
CARL HAIRSTON, DEFENSIVE LINE COACH (Might Come Back)
FRANK GANSZ, JR., SPECIAL TEAMS
CHAD O'SHEA, ASSISTANT SPECIAL TEAMS
IRV EATMAN, ASSISTANT LINE COACH

[big nasty kcnut]

Ok i want to keep gun but also want to get mike singletary for linebacker/ asst. dc

[Rukdafaidas]

Well so far it is awesome to see Herm taking care of the defensive side of things and not touching the offense (except for VerSpazzo).

Although I wouldn't start slashing my wrists if we kept Gun, I sure wouldn't mind someone familiar with Tampa Bays' style of D either.
Irv Eatman was also cut.

I'm on the side that would like to see Gun keep the DC job. I really don't think Gun had a fair go when they forced all of the crappy assistants that were here on him.
Regardless of what people are saying about Gun now, he's a proven DC and had never had a team finish outside of the top 10 until he returned here two years ago and took over a horrendous defensive unit and assistant coaches.
I won't be pissed if Herm brings in someone else. But, I also think a new DC and scheme will set the Chiefs back a year or two and I don't think the offense can wait.

[htismaqe]

Regardless of what people are saying about Gun now, he's a proven DC and had never had a team finish outside of the top 10 until he returned here two years ago and took over a horrendous defensive unit and assistant coaches.

100% false. He's had ONE season where his defense finished top 10 in both yards and point allowed. ONE.

Year - Points Allowed - Yards Allowed
Chiefs
2005 - 16th - 25th
2004 - 29th - 31st

Chiefs
1998 - 22nd - 9th
1997 - 1st - 15th
1996 - 11th - 17th
1955 - 1st - 4th

Raiders
1994 - 17th - 12th
1993 - 21st - 10th
1992 - 11th - 8th

[Coach]

100% false. He's had ONE season where his defense finished top 10 in both yards and point allowed. ONE.

Year - Points Allowed - Yards Allowed
Chiefs
2005 - 16th - 25th
2004 - 29th - 31st

Chiefs
1998 - 22nd - 9th
1997 - 1st - 15th
1996 - 11th - 17th
1955 - 1st - 4th

Raiders
1994 - 17th - 12th
1993 - 21st - 10th
1992 - 11th - 8th

Jeez, I knew Gun is old, but damn, I didn't know he was THAT old! ;)

[Rukdafaidas]

100% false. He's had ONE season where his defense finished top 10 in both yards and point allowed. ONE.

Year - Points Allowed - Yards Allowed
Chiefs
2005 - 16th - 25th
2004 - 29th - 31st

Chiefs
1998 - 22nd - 9th
1997 - 1st - 15th
1996 - 11th - 17th
1955 - 1st - 4th

Raiders
1994 - 17th - 12th
1993 - 21st - 10th
1992 - 11th - 8th
Interesting. I had read sometime back that he had a top ten defense every year as a DC. BTW, where did you get those numbers?

[FringeNC]

100% false. He's had ONE season where his defense finished top 10 in both yards and point allowed. ONE.


Compare that to someone like Gregg Williams. I wonder how many joint top ten finishes he has had when coordinator or head coach?

The Guntherphilia is a mystery to me.

[FringeNC]

Per Nick:

List of Chiefs Coaches Looking for Work

JASON VERDUZCO, TIGHT ENDS COACH
PETER GIUNTA, DEFENSIVE BACKS COACH
FRED PAGAC, LINEBACKERS COACH (Could Come Back)
BOB KARMELOWICZ, DEFENSIVE LINE COACH
VERNON DEAN, ASSISTANT DEFENSIVE BACKS COACH
CARL HAIRSTON, DEFENSIVE LINE COACH (Might Come Back)
FRANK GANSZ, JR., SPECIAL TEAMS
CHAD O'SHEA, ASSISTANT SPECIAL TEAMS
IRV EATMAN, ASSISTANT LINE COACH

I have never heard of Chad O'Shea.

[Brock]

I have never heard of Chad O'Shea.

Unpaid intern.

[Rukdafaidas]

I have never heard of Chad O'Shea.
His main job was to retrieve the tee after kick offs.

[beavis]

I have never heard of Chad O'Shea.
Me either. Is it really necessary to have an assistant special teams coach? Sounds like some people were just drawing a paycheck to me.

[DTLB58]

I know Capers is a good judge of defensive talent, but I do not recall what type of defense he runs. Hopefully not bend but don't break. As long as it is not that and he lets his best corner cover the best WR tight then most likely I would be fine with it.

Capers runs a 3-4 Zone blitz if my memory serves me right. It was the hot D in the 90's.

[Frankie]

Or we could just stick with Gun. He has improve the defense 5 spots in 2 years. That is a pretty good rate.
Actually he has improved it 15 spots as our '04 'D' was 42nd in a 32 team league.

[The Bad Guy]

Yea, that would be just great, we could start to completely rebuild our Defensive scheme and in 4 years when our Offense sucks we'll have a top 5 Defense. Moron.

Yes, we should stay status quo because of our 25th ranked defense.

I didn't know we had a defensive scheme. But I imagine any coordinator could play our corners 10 yards off the LOS and when a RB goes into the flat, have the corner cover him and have a linebacker cover the receiver.

How will we ever survive without Gunther?

Gosh, I don't know. But if he's gone, I surely will miss the times we didn't cover a team's #1 receiver with our best corner.

You're the f'n moron for loving mediocrity so much.

Moron.

[The Bad Guy]

Who hasn't proven shit!

Do you just watch Chiefs games and ignore the rest of the NFL?

You show just how much of a cluess idiot you are every time you talk about defense.

You love Gun, who hasn't proven diddily shit as a DC in over 9 years, but you criticize someone like Marinelli, someone who has been wanted by Bill Parcells, Tony Dungy and Herm in NY?

Marinelli coached one of the finest units in the NFL.

[Ralphy Boy]

Why Verduzco? Hopefully not so we can see Terry Shea become the OC. His ass should have gotten the axe.

[Brock]

Why Verduzco? Hopefully not so we can see Terry Shea become the OC. His ass should have gotten the axe.

Based on what?

[Frankie]

I have never heard of Chad O'Shea.
I think it's short for "Child of Shea." They had to find a legal way to keep Shea's illegitimate son on the payroll so he wood be exempt from child support.

Carl works in mysterious ways!

[Frosty]

Jeez, I knew Gun is old, but damn, I didn't know he was THAT old! ;)

I wonder what Gun was doing between 1955 and 1992?

[Mecca]

I wonder what Gun was doing between 1955 and 1992?

He was repeatedly growing beards and ripping off his sleeves.

[Logical]

Capers runs a 3-4 Zone blitz if my memory serves me right. It was the hot D in the 90's.Thanks

[Halfcan]

Guinta and Gansz Jr topped my wish list. This Herm guy is growing on me.


I agree. Torn over Gun though, its hard to tell if he will be successful with such shitty players.

Since Herm is so churchy-I think we need someone that will cuss these lazy f#cks into practicing hard.

[Mecca]

I agree. Torn over Gun though, its hard to tell if he will be successful with such shitty players.

Since Herm is so churchy-I think we need someone that will cuss these lazy f#cks into practicing hard.

Considering Edwards told his coaches NOT to cuss at players when he was with the Jet's. I'm sure Gun cussing at players will go over real well with Herm........

[sedated]

it seems like everybody and their dog says their special teams coach is one of the best.


my dog says I should kill my boss and light my house on fire.

crazy dog

[milkman]

Since Verduzco is the only one on the offensive staff other than Al to be involved in all aspects of the game planning, his loss concerns me.

He was also QB coach in '04 when Shea was in Chicago, and Trent had his best season.

[Hammock Parties]

He was also QB coach in '04 when Shea was in Chicago, and Trent had his best season.

I don't think '04 was Trent's best season at all. He threw 17 interceptions.

[FAX]

my dog says I should kill my boss and light my house on fire.

crazy dog

ROFL ROFL

[milkman]

I don't think '04 was Trent's best season at all. He threw 17 interceptions.

But he did throw for more yards, more TDs, and have the hightest completion Pct., and highest QB rating of his career.

[Halfcan]

But he did throw for more yards, more TDs, and have the hightest completion Pct., and highest QB rating of his career.


Yep-with Rookie or inconsistent WR's no less. :clap: :clap:

[Hammock Parties]

Yep-with Rookie or inconsistent WR's no less. :clap: :clap:

Um...rookies?

You really are a n00b.

[Hammock Parties]

But he did throw for more yards, more TDs, and have the hightest completion Pct., and highest QB rating of his career.

Anyway, I thought 2003 was his best year.

[milkman]

Anyway, I thought 2003 was his best year.

'03 was a very good year also.

Combined with the team's 13-3 record, one could easily make the argument that it was his best year.

But in terms of personal numbers, '04 was better.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

So, as a farmer, how does it feel to know that the livestock you tend to have a higher IQ than you do?

I guess my livestock have a higher IQ than Peterson and Edwards according to todays events. ROFL

[htismaqe]

I guess my livestock have a higher IQ than Peterson and Edwards according to todays events. ROFL

What's that got to do with your assinine statement that Marinelli hasn't proven shit?

[shaneo69]

What's that got to do with your assinine statement that Marinelli hasn't proven shit?

Hey htis, did you hear? Gunther's staying!!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

What's that got to do with your assinine statement that Marinelli hasn't proven shit?

He inherited a SB defense and they sucked the first half of the year.

[redbrian]

Not to bust your bubbles too much, but some of these guys may be back.

They were not fired, they were told at this time the Chiefs would not be extending their contracts, allowing them to look around for other jobs.

Edwards has not said he would not resign some of these guys.

He is going to run a smaller staff than DV.

[BigMeatballDave]

Not to bust your bubbles too much, but some of these guys may be back.

They were not fired, they were told at this time the Chiefs would not be extending their contracts, allowing them to look around for other jobs.

Edwards has not said he would not resign some of these guys.

He is going to run a smaller staff than DV.As long as Guinta is gone...

[phxchief]

As long as Guinta is gone...

Unlike a couple of the others, he's still here (for now, at least).