America

[Jenson71]

This year, 230 years ago, thirteen colonies of the British empire signed a declaration that shook the world's foundation and broke American ties which led to a nation that would one day be the world's finest.

More than two hundred years have passed since the American Revolution, the writing of the U.S. Constitution, the election of Washington as our president, and the Louisana Purchase.

America has a proud history. One of fighting the uphill battle. Of taking circumstances and making them to our advantage. Of fighting and glory. Of freedom and everything that comes with it. Of baseball and inventions and novels that capture the American spirit.

Has the United States of America, 230 years since Thomas Jefferson wrote that declaration of Independece, not lived up to it's potential? Are we seeing a decline of "the American empire"? Would the founders of this nation frown with disgust or smile proudly at what we are today?

How can we get better? What changes must be made for America to be better than She ever has been? What can we do to make America the greatest nation in all aspects history has ever seen?

[Demonpenz]

stop illegal immigration

[luv]

I was born in the bicentennial year. You just reminded me that I'll be thirty this year. Thanks.

[Chiefs_Fan_n_64081]

Restore the value of the word brotherhood.

[BigMeatballDave]

I was born in the bicentennial year. You just reminded me that I'll be thirty this year. Thanks.
ROFL

[greg63]

The return of basic moral values.

[greg63]

I was born in the bicentennial year. You just reminded me that I'll be thirty this year. Thanks.


There is life after 30 luv. :D

[007]

The return of basic moral values.


Definitely!!!!

[Mecca]

The return of basic moral values.

Are you going to give me a morality speech.........

[luv]

Parents who aren't afraid to discipline their children and give them rules and guidelines.

[Miles]

Que up the Simon and Garfunkle.

[007]

Parents who aren't afraid to discipline their children and give them rules and guidelines.

You mean... take responsibility? Oh my God.... What are you thinking? :banghead:

[pikesome]

stop illegal immigration

The illegal ones...yes. But I still want your tired, your poor. Our strength is based on incorporating the best from everywhere. We aren't perfect in this but we should continue to strive for perfection. That Mexican washing your dishes might give birth to the one who cures cancer or AIDS or does something else. The Arabic cab-driver we like to make fun of is working hard to bring growth to our economy. There is so much we take for granted because so few know what its like to immigrate any more. /soapbox

[beer bacon]

First things first we need a king.

[007]

First things first we need a king.

Go back to Britain huh?

[beer bacon]

Go back to Britain huh?

Our king is going to be pure America.

Somebody call up John Goodman.

[luv]

Our king is going to be pure America.
Someone who doesn't give a shit?

[Miles]

Our king is going to be pure America.

Somebody call up John Goodman.

Nice bad movie reference.

[chappy]

1.Stop NAFTA.
2.Stop illegal immigration
3.Stop being the world police
4.Create a logical bill for Campaign Financing
5.Remove and Ban Lobbyist from Washinton
6.Stop Corporate Sponsership of those employed by the people of the United States of America.(politicians)
7. This one is the most important to the survival of the USA!!! Create a huge outsourcing tax on American Companies that up and leave the Red, White, and Blue for the cheap labor of Communist China or any other country for that matter.
8.Help to Create a International OPEC and workers rights collition that holds companies accountable for what they do in every country.

[007]

1.Stop NAFTA.
2.Stop illegal immigration
3.Stop being the world police
4.Create a logical bill for Campaign Financing
5.Remove and Ban Lobbyist from Washinton
6.Stop Corporate Sponsership of those employed by the people of the United States of America.(politicians)
7. This one is the most important to the survival of the USA!!! Create a huge outsourcing tax on American Companies that up and leave the Red, White, and Blue for the cheap labor of Communist China or any other country for that matter.
8.Help to Create a International OPEC and workers rights collition that holds companies accountable for what they do in every country.

Sounds like a good beginning to me.

[Oz_Chief]

1. set up national health care system
2. ban the manufacture and distribution of non-dairy creamer
3. stop using styrofoam

[Simplex3]

One thing and only one thing is necessary to return America to greatness:

A return to individualism. You do your thing, I'll do my thing, and as long as neither of us infringes on the other's rights to life, liberty, and the PERSUIT of happiness the shut the f**k up and move the f**k on. This also requires everyone to stay the hell out of everyone else's pocketbook because without financial freedom no man is truly free. Ditto for health care, if the govt. can control your means to acquire health care they run your life. People need to be responsible for themselves and their own.

[way2kalm]

I was born in the bicentennial year. You just reminded me that I'll be thirty this year. Thanks.

I was born that year as well. Of course I won't see the age of 30 until the end of November. So we are still in our 20's until that dreadful 30th b-day!! Damn they went by quick!!!

[kepp]

1.Stop NAFTA.
2.Stop illegal immigration
3.Stop being the world police
4.Create a logical bill for Campaign Financing
5.Remove and Ban Lobbyist from Washinton
6.Stop Corporate Sponsership of those employed by the people of the United States of America.(politicians)
7. This one is the most important to the survival of the USA!!! Create a huge outsourcing tax on American Companies that up and leave the Red, White, and Blue for the cheap labor of Communist China or any other country for that matter.
8.Help to Create a International OPEC and workers rights collition that holds companies accountable for what they do in every country.
I'd vote for ya

[Mr. Kotter]

This year, 230 years ago, thirteen colonies of the British empire signed a declaration that shook the world's foundation and broke American ties which led to a nation that would one day be the world's finest.

More than two hundred years have passed since the American Revolution, the writing of the U.S. Constitution, the election of Washington as our president, and the Louisana Purchase.

America has a proud history. One of fighting the uphill battle. Of taking circumstances and making them to our advantage. Of fighting and glory. Of freedom and everything that comes with it. Of baseball and inventions and novels that capture the American spirit.

Has the United States of America, 230 years since Thomas Jefferson wrote that declaration of Independece, not lived up to it's potential? Are we seeing a decline of "the American empire"? Would the founders of this nation frown with disgust or smile proudly at what we are today?

How can we get better? What changes must be made for America to be better than She ever has been? What can we do to make America the greatest nation in all aspects history has ever seen?

Got another homework assignment, huh?

[way2kalm]

1.Stop NAFTA.
2.Stop illegal immigration
3.Stop being the world police
4.Create a logical bill for Campaign Financing
5.Remove and Ban Lobbyist from Washinton
6.Stop Corporate Sponsership of those employed by the people of the United States of America.(politicians)
7. This one is the most important to the survival of the USA!!! Create a huge outsourcing tax on American Companies that up and leave the Red, White, and Blue for the cheap labor of Communist China or any other country for that matter.
8.Help to Create a International OPEC and workers rights collition that holds companies accountable for what they do in every country.

I'll agree with that!

[tyton75]

One thing and only one thing is necessary to return America to greatness:

A return to individualism. You do your thing, I'll do my thing, and as long as neither of us infringes on the other's rights to life, liberty, and the PERSUIT of happiness the shut the f**k up and move the f**k on. This also requires everyone to stay the hell out of everyone else's pocketbook because without financial freedom no man is truly free. Ditto for health care, if the govt. can control your means to acquire health care they run your life. People need to be responsible for themselves and their own.


ditto.. stay outta my business and I'll stay outta yours.

I might add that many of the socialists tennants that were instituted by FDR should probably be repealed.. if anything is proven is that Gov't can't handle money worth a chit.
FDR had the right idea at the time and his ideas got us out of the great depression, but most had a timeline to be disolved but Congress got a hold of them and convuluted them into something completely off the point.. to keep tax money rolling in.

[Mr. Kotter]

...2. ban the manufacture and distribution of non-dairy creamer....

:spock:

Explain? :hmmm:

[Bowser]

:spock:

Explain? :hmmm:

And after that, tell us what youhave against styrofoam

[MOhillbilly]

Restore the value that a mans word is his bond.

[MOhillbilly]

One thing and only one thing is necessary to return America to greatness:

A return to individualism. You do your thing, I'll do my thing, and as long as neither of us infringes on the other's rights to life, liberty, and the PERSUIT of happiness the shut the f**k up and move the f**k on. This also requires everyone to stay the hell out of everyone else's pocketbook because without financial freedom no man is truly free. Ditto for health care, if the govt. can control your means to acquire health care they run your life. People need to be responsible for themselves and their own.

Here,Here!!

[Phobia]

Our king is going to be pure America.

Somebody call up John Goodman.

Too bad he is deceased.

The real solution is to put all the lawyers to work in the fast food industry and make all the fry guys lawyers.

[Bowser]

Too bad he is deceased.

The real solution is to put all the lawyers to work in the fast food industry and make all the fry guys lawyers.

That would suck. I wouldn't understand a single word my lawyer would say.

[Simplex3]

Too bad he is deceased.

The real solution is to put all the lawyers to work in the fast food industry and make all the fry guys lawyers.
They'd be just as greedy in no time.

[Inspector]

One thing and only one thing is necessary to return America to greatness:

A return to individualism. You do your thing, I'll do my thing, and as long as neither of us infringes on the other's rights to life, liberty, and the PERSUIT of happiness the shut the f**k up and move the f**k on. This also requires everyone to stay the hell out of everyone else's pocketbook because without financial freedom no man is truly free. Ditto for health care, if the govt. can control your means to acquire health care they run your life. People need to be responsible for themselves and their own.


Mr. President, you have my support.

[tiptap]

One thing and only one thing is necessary to return America to greatness:

A return to individualism. You do your thing, I'll do my thing, and as long as neither of us infringes on the other's rights to life, liberty, and the PERSUIT of happiness the shut the f**k up and move the f**k on. This also requires everyone to stay the hell out of everyone else's pocketbook because without financial freedom no man is truly free. Ditto for health care, if the govt. can control your means to acquire health care they run your life. People need to be responsible for themselves and their own.

Does this mean we all have to live like the Amish and each of us build and raise everything for our selves?

It has been coordination of human activity that has been our success. Now I understand you think the government is wasteful but actually the overhead for SS and Medicaire is way less than in Private Insurance. In addition the amount of fraud is less as well.

But to go along with the general direction of your thoughts, government or business will be efficient when the best people direct the activity. But that would be coordinated activity with oversight.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

America, f#ck yeah!!!

[Bowser]

America, f#ck yeah!!!
"Get out of here, you drunk pollock!!"

[Phobia]

They'd be just as greedy in no time.

Yeah, but at least they'd be smarter.

[luv]

Does this mean we all have to live like the Amish and each of us build and raise everything for our selves?

It has been coordination of human activity that has been our success. Now I understand you think the government is wasteful but actually the overhead for SS and Medicaire is way less than in Private Insurance. In addition the amount of fraud is less as well.

But to go along with the general direction of your thoughts, government or business will be efficient when the best people direct the activity. But that would be coordinated activity with oversight.
There won't be any SS by the time I retire. My retirement is going to be based on my ability to save, and how well the stock market is doing. Very scary thought. But, hey, if we're living like the Amish, then I won't have to worry about it anyway.

[Simplex3]

Does this mean we all have to live like the Amish and each of us build and raise everything for our selves?

It has been coordination of human activity that has been our success. Now I understand you think the government is wasteful but actually the overhead for SS and Medicaire is way less than in Private Insurance. In addition the amount of fraud is less as well.

But to go along with the general direction of your thoughts, government or business will be efficient when the best people direct the activity. But that would be coordinated activity with oversight.
Nothing in my plan stops people from working together when they choose to, it simply stops you from being able to force me to work with you by threat of prison.

BTW, several estimates put the govt. overhead at 70% to 80%. Of course 20 or 30 cents on the dollar actually making it to the program is was collected for isn't corruption, that's just "the cost of doing business", right?

[luv]

Nothing in my plan stops people from working together when they choose to, it simply stops you from being able to force me to work with you by threat of prison.
We'll have a nation full of people who are only out for themselves. How is that different?

[Simplex3]

We'll have a nation full of people who are only out for themselves. How is that different?
They won't be able to steal from you.

The majority of people will always be out for themselves. That's just how it is and will always be. The only "cure" is to remove their power to take from you by force. The only entity in the US that can legally take things by force is the govt, and people like tiptap keep giving the govt. more power and control. Everything that the govt. controls can have force applied along with threat of the loss of your liberties (jail time, etc). That makes greedy and useless pricks pine for a position in govt. where they can do what polititians today do, run other people's lives the way they see fit.

[MOhillbilly]

We'll have a nation full of people who are only out for themselves. How is that different?

and we have a Republic of people that would help you and not need thanks.

[Skip Towne]

Damn, I must have strayed into the DC forum. Let me out of here.

[greg63]

Are you going to give me a morality speech.........


Nope.


Parents who aren't afraid to discipline their children and give them rules and guidelines.


Yup!




1.Stop NAFTA.
2.Stop illegal immigration
3.Stop being the world police
4.Create a logical bill for Campaign Financing
5.Remove and Ban Lobbyist from Washinton
6.Stop Corporate Sponsership of those employed by the people of the United States of America.(politicians)
7. This one is the most important to the survival of the USA!!! Create a huge outsourcing tax on American Companies that up and leave the Red, White, and Blue for the cheap labor of Communist China or any other country for that matter.
8.Help to Create a International OPEC and workers rights collition that holds companies accountable for what they do in every country.


Works for me.

[luv]

They won't be able to steal from you.

The majority of people will always be out for themselves. That's just how it is and will always be. The only "cure" is to remove their power to take from you by force. The only entity in the US that can legally take things by force is the govt, and people like tiptap keep giving the govt. more power and control. Everything that the govt. controls can have force applied along with threat of the loss of your liberties (jail time, etc). That makes greedy and useless pricks pine for a position in govt. where they can do what polititians today do, run other people's lives the way they see fit.
So, we just change laws. Cool. I can speed all the time. No one will pull me over, and my insurance rates won't go up.

Laws are put into place by the the people we elect, or for the amendments we vote for ourselves. A very low percentage of people actually vote, while a very high percentage of people complain about what's being done. I think more people should better utilize the system we already have rather than dreaming up ways of totally revamping the whole thing.

[Simplex3]

The only problem with chappy's points #4, #5, & #6 are this little thing called the First Amendment.

Point #7 is retarded and would only serve to drive companies completely out of America. Take Chrysler, for instance. When they merged with the smaller company Daihmler they chose to make it the lead and headquarter in a socialist country because the tax structure was better. That's just f**king wrong. Not that they chose to do it, that the taxes are cheaper in a G** Damned socialist country than in our supposedly "free" country.

As to point #8, who is chappy planning on appointing as The King of the World? Talk about an ability to abuse power.

[greg63]

The only problem with chappy's points #4, #5, & #6 are this little thing called the First Amendment.

Point #7 is retarded and would only serve to drive companies completely out of America. Take Chrysler, for instance. When they merged with the smaller company Daihmler they chose to make it the lead and headquarter in a socialist country because the tax structure was better. That's just f**king wrong. Not that they chose to do it, that the taxes are cheaper in a G** Damned socialist country than in our supposedly "free" country.

As to point #8, who is chappy planning on appointing as The King of the World? Talk about an ability to abuse power.


True, however, I think points 1,2 and 3 have merit.

[Simplex3]

So, we just change laws. Cool. I can speed all the time. No one will pull me over, and my insurance rates won't go up.

Laws are put into place by the the people we elect, or for the amendments we vote for ourselves. A very low percentage of people actually vote, while a very high percentage of people complain about what's being done. I think more people should better utilize the system we already have rather than dreaming up ways of totally revamping the whole thing.
No, we keep laws. Like most people in this country, it doesn't sound like your public school did much to teach you about how our country was intended to be run. Have you ever considered why Germany, Italy, China, Brazil, etc were called "States" 200 years ago when our "States" were named? They were supposed to be roughly equivilant, that's why. Each "State" in the US was supposed to run it's own affairs with the "United States of America" being in charge of a few, very specific things including international treaties and a common defense or military. Over the past 200 years we've totally reversed that and f**ked up what was best about this country: choice and freedom.

In the US 200 years ago if the state I lived in was enacting an overly burdensome tax structure I could move to another state yet still retain my rights granted to me under the Constitution. Now, with the majority of this crap centralized in the Federal govt, I no longer have that option. There is no place for me to go and still remain an American and maintain my Constitutional rights. I've had my choice removed.

America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to 'the common good,' but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance -- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.
In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other.
The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.

The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods.

[greg63]

No, we keep laws. Like most people in this country, it doesn't sound like your public school did much to teach you about how our country was intended to be run. Have you ever considered why Germany, Italy, China, Brazil, etc were called "States" 200 years ago when our "States" were named? They were supposed to be roughly equivilant, that's why. Each "State" in the US was supposed to run it's own affairs with the "United States of America" being in charge of a few, very specific things including international treaties and a common defense or military. Over the past 200 years we've totally reversed that and f**ked up what was best about this country: choice and freedom.

In the US 200 years ago if the state I lived in was enacting an overly burdensome tax structure I could move to another state yet still retain my rights granted to me under the Constitution. Now, with the majority of this crap centralized in the Federal govt, I no longer have that option. There is no place for me to go and still remain an American and maintain my Constitutional rights. I've had my choice removed.


I'll bet King George is laughing in his grave.

[luv]

No, we keep laws. Like most people in this country, it doesn't sound like your public school did much to teach you about how our country was intended to be run.

Or it could've just been the fact that my history teachers were boring old dinosaurs.

Have you ever considered why Germany, Italy, China, Brazil, etc were called "States" 200 years ago when our "States" were named?

No.

They were supposed to be roughly equivilant, that's why. Each "State" in the US was supposed to run it's own affairs with the "United States of America" being in charge of a few, very specific things including international treaties and a common defense or military. Over the past 200 years we've totally reversed that and f**ked up what was best about this country: choice and freedom.

In the US 200 years ago if the state I lived in was enacting an overly burdensome tax structure I could move to another state yet still retain my rights granted to me under the Constitution. Now, with the majority of this crap centralized in the Federal govt, I no longer have that option. There is no place for me to go and still remain an American and maintain my Constitutional rights. I've had my choice removed.
Understood.

[Amnorix]

The return of basic moral values.

Are you referring to the slave-boinking Thomas Jefferson, or perhaps Benjamin Franklin, who was a notorious womanizer?

Alexander Hamilton, who committed adultery and may have been blackmailed as a result, or Jefferson's Vice President, Aaron Burr, who shot and killed Hamilton?

Are you referring to the slave-owning South, or the North that willingly transported those slaves on ships from Africa under abominable conditions? You're also, of course, referring to a society that was utterly dominated by white males, and inevitably wealthy white males.

Keep your moralistic sermons to youself, if you please.

[luv]

Are you referring to the slave-boinking Thomas Jefferson, or perhaps Benjamin Franklin, who was a notorious womanizer?

Alexander Hamilton, who committed adultery and may have been blackmailed as a result, or Jefferson's Vice President, Aaron Burr, who shot and killed Hamilton?

Are you referring to the slave-owning South, or the North that willingly transported those slaves on ships from Africa under abominable conditions? You're also, of course, referring to a society that was utterly dominated by white males, and inevitably wealthy white males.

Keep your moralistic sermons to youself, if you please.
I believe this was more of a sermon. He just made a statement. You're the one taking it personally, it seems.

[Simplex3]

Are you referring to the slave-boinking Thomas Jefferson, or perhaps Benjamin Franklin, who was a notorious womanizer?

Alexander Hamilton, who committed adultery and may have been blackmailed as a result, or Jefferson's Vice President, Aaron Burr, who shot and killed Hamilton?

Are you referring to the slave-owning South, or the North that willingly transported those slaves on ships from Africa under abominable conditions? You're also, of course, referring to a society that was utterly dominated by white males, and inevitably wealthy white males.

Keep your moralistic sermons to youself, if you please.
ROFL

[BIG_DADDY]

To stay on top we will need to quit femanizing our young males and keep our work ethic high.

[luv]

To stay on top we will need to quit femanizing our young males and keep our work ethic high.
These are things that parents can teach at an early age. Make them realize the worth of a dollar earned.

[Simplex3]

These are things that parents can teach at an early age. Make them realize the worth of a dollar earned.
Can we change that to "a dollar THEY earned"?

[Amnorix]

I believe this was more of a sermon. He just made a statement. You're the one taking it personally, it seems.

He made a worthless statement essentially based on a completely incorrect understanding of historical reality. I'm just pointing that out.

[luv]

Can we change that to "a dollar THEY earned"?
Definitely. Give them chores. When they do something wrong, punish them. Children need to know what it means to be held accountable for their actions. There is positive and negative reinforcement. How often do I hear older people complaining that the younger generation shows no one respect? IMO, it's because they were not shown how to or made to respect people, such as their parents, when they were little. I'm not talking about being a Hitler to your poor kids, but don't let them walk all over you.

[luv]

He made a worthless statement essentially based on a completely incorrect understanding of historical reality. I'm just pointing that out.
He was sharing his opinion, the same way you just did.

[ChiefsfaninPA]

Lets face it, look at the Roman Empire or any other empire/dynasty that ruled over the world the way America currently does. It usually only lasts a short amount of time (200-300 yrs.) before another nation rises up and assumes the role of world dominant nation. Also, look at all of those other countries that were once powerful, it was money, power and immorality that eventually did them in. We are only repeating history, there is nothing we can do. Lets just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[Simplex3]

Definitely. Give them chores. When they do something wrong, punish them. Children need to know what it means to be held accountable for their actions. There is positive and negative reinforcement. How often do I hear older people complaining that the younger generation shows no one respect? IMO, it's because they were not shown how to or made to respect people, such as their parents, when they were little. I'm not talking about being a Hitler to your poor kids, but don't let them walk all over you.
As a father of two believe me, I don't disagree.

[BIG_DADDY]

He made a worthless statement essentially based on a completely incorrect understanding of historical reality. I'm just pointing that out.

Amnorix is a fan of hitting that pootay and a student of our forefathers backgrounds in that area.

[Donger]

Definitely. Give them chores. When they do something wrong, punish them. Children need to know what it means to be held accountable for their actions. There is positive and negative reinforcement. How often do I hear older people complaining that the younger generation shows no one respect? IMO, it's because they were not shown how to or made to respect people, such as their parents, when they were little. I'm not talking about being a Hitler to your poor kids, but don't let them walk all over you.

That's all fine and dandy. But, the little f*ckers are geting smart. My eldest brother's eldest boy just got busted for drinking (he's 14). My brother grounded him, took all privileges away, etc. My nephew retaliated by threatening to call a lawyer and his school, telling them that he was being beaten.

Little f*cker didn't call a lawyer, but he did call his school.

[Donger]

He was sharing his opinion, the same way you just did.

Amno was pointing out facts, not opinions.

[luv]

That's all fine and dandy. But, the little f*ckers are geting smart. My eldest brother's eldest boy just got busted for drinking (he's 14). My brother grounded him, took all privileges away, etc. My nephew retaliated by threatening to call a lawyer and his school, telling them that he was being beaten.

Little f*cker didn't call a lawyer, but he did call his school.
Hell, I'm surprised he told them he was being beaten. He could have just said his civil rights had been taken away, and people would jump all over that. I'd tell him that he can call whoever he wants, but he's still grounded.

[BIG_DADDY]

Lets face it, look at the Roman Empire or any other empire/dynasty that ruled over the world the way America currently does. It usually only lasts a short amount of time (200-300 yrs.) before another nation rises up and assumes the role of world dominant nation. Also, look at all of those other countries that were once powerful, it was money, power and immorality that eventually did them in. We are only repeating history, there is nothing we can do. Lets just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Wrong, it was the pussy ass liberals that brought them down. If it wasn't for them Rome would have stood much longer.

We are in a very good position now but we must not femanize our young boys and keep up in the education and work ethic areas. Money and power does not lead to a fall. Immorality you must define for me to have an opinion but if it's sex your refering to I would say that no nation has fallen from power because of what they were doing in bed.

[luv]

Amno was pointing out facts, not opinions.
Validates my point. He was jumping all over him for sharing his opinion. Guess I stated that the wrong way. Hope he doesn't jump all over me for that.

[Simplex3]

That's all fine and dandy. But, the little f*ckers are geting smart. My eldest brother's eldest boy just got busted for drinking (he's 14). My brother grounded him, took all privileges away, etc. My nephew retaliated by threatening to call a lawyer and his school, telling them that he was being beaten.

Little f*cker didn't call a lawyer, but he did call his school.
Have your brother tell him the same thing my parents told me:

You want them to be your parents? We'll help you pack.

They also told me that if they ever caught me with drugs or alcohol their first call was going to be to the cops and that they would testify against me.

[BIG_DADDY]

That's all fine and dandy. But, the little f*ckers are geting smart. My eldest brother's eldest boy just got busted for drinking (he's 14). My brother grounded him, took all privileges away, etc. My nephew retaliated by threatening to call a lawyer and his school, telling them that he was being beaten.

Little f*cker didn't call a lawyer, but he did call his school.

The kid should have already known that if he ever did either he would be in foster care and never welcome back. You think you can go find better parents, go for it. Challenging the parents should never be an option unless they plan on not returning.

[Amnorix]

No, we keep laws. Like most people in this country, it doesn't sound like your public school did much to teach you about how our country was intended to be run. Have you ever considered why Germany, Italy, China, Brazil, etc were called "States" 200 years ago when our "States" were named? They were supposed to be roughly equivilant, that's why. Each "State" in the US was supposed to run it's own affairs with the "United States of America" being in charge of a few, very specific things including international treaties and a common defense or military. Over the past 200 years we've totally reversed that and f**ked up what was best about this country: choice and freedom.

Your argument, based on the etymology of the word "state" is interesting, but not quite correct. First, the word "state" was first used in connection with the British colonies as far back as 1634, or nearly 150 years prior to their declaring independence.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=state

There is also, of course, no doubt that under the Articles of CONFEDERATION, which were adopted by the colonies after declaring independence, the states were sovereign. That system was deemed unworkable, however, and a constitutional convention that was summoned to tweak the Articles, instead scrapped them and replaced them whole cloth with a Constitution, which established a FEDERATION.

There's no argument, of course, but that the years have seen a steady increase in the relative power of the federal government compared to the states, in particular as a result of (1) the Civil War and (2) the New Deal era. There's also little doubt that in large part that's because of the inherent changes in the world that the US was forced to react to. A weak federal government wouldn't work very well in the modern era to say the least.

In the US 200 years ago if the state I lived in was enacting an overly burdensome tax structure I could move to another state yet still retain my rights granted to me under the Constitution. Now, with the majority of this crap centralized in the Federal govt, I no longer have that option. There is no place for me to go and still remain an American and maintain my Constitutional rights. I've had my choice removed.

Suffice to say that many Founding Fathers would be horrified by this (Jefferson, Madison) while others would shed not a tear over the amassing of power by the federal government at the expense of the states (Hamilton, arguably Washington).

[Donger]

Validates my point. He was jumping all over him for sharing his opinion. Guess I stated that the wrong way. Hope he doesn't jump all over me for that.

More that his opinion was not backed up by historical fact, I would venture.

[BIG_DADDY]

They also told me that if they ever caught me with drugs or alcohol their first call was going to be to the cops and that they would testify against me.

Short of fearing for your safety there is never an excuse to call the cops on family. If any member ever called the cops on me for something like that I would never speak to them again no matter what.

[ChiefsfaninPA]

Wrong, it was the pussy ass liberals that brought them down. If it wasn't for them Rome would have stood much longer.

We are in a very good position now but we must not femanize our young boys and keep up in the education and work ethic areas. Money and power does not lead to a fall. Immorality you must define for me to have an opinion but if it's sex your refering to I would say that no nation has fallen from power because of what they were doing in bed.

Nah, I wasn't talking about what we do in bed as immoral, just our values as a society. Look around at the way people act. It is no wonder things are screwed up the way they are. I don't know if it is a liberal or conservative thing, they both have there downfalls, one no more than the other.

[Donger]

The kid should have already known that if he ever did either he would be in foster care and never welcome back. You think you can go find better parents, go for it. Challenging the parents should never be an option unless they plan on not returning.

They've made the mistake of wanting to be "the cool parents." No bullsh*t.

[Amnorix]

I've been reading a fair bit of ancient history. Suffice to say that the ancient empires fell for alot of reasons, not just one. Usually it ended up being because (1) there was a really long period of time without great (or good enough) leaders, (2) the army was ignored for too long and became weak, (3) stupid political decisions, and/or (4) infighting among the power groups that resulted in allowing external enemies to penetrate the cracks in the armor that developed as a result of infighting.

Generally, though, it was alot simpler back then. Having the biggest army meant you were king of your block. You didn't like your enemy -- just go in and kick his ass and chop of his head, and the heads of his wife(wives) and kids, no matter how young. Sack/rape/pillage his cities, and then leave. Or keep the territory if you want.

Keep the biggest army, and you're all set. But sooner or later the king dies, and is replaced by a bad king. Enough bad kings in a row, and forget about the whole kingdom.

[MOhillbilly]

Lord of the Rings



haha

[ChiefsfaninPA]

I've been reading a fair bit of ancient history. Suffice to say that the ancient empires fell for alot of reasons, not just one. Usually it ended up being because (1) there was a really long period of time without great (or good enough) leaders, (2) the army was ignored for too long and became weak, (3) stupid political decisions, and/or (4) infighting among the power groups that resulted in allowing external enemies to penetrate the cracks in the armor that developed as a result of infighting.

Generally, though, it was alot simpler back then. Having the biggest army meant you were king of your block. You didn't like your enemy -- just go in and kick his ass and chop of his head, and the heads of his wife(wives) and kids, no matter how young. Sack/rape/pillage his cities, and then leave. Or keep the territory if you want.

Keep the biggest army, and you're all set. But sooner or later the king dies, and is replaced by a bad king. Enough bad kings in a row, and forget about the whole kingdom.

So in laymens terms, we need to look in the mirror because we are following down this path?

[patteeu]

We could try this (http://www.thecourier.com/manifest.htm).

[Amnorix]

So in laymens terms, we need to look in the mirror because we are following down this path?


:shrug: No country or power stays in power forever. It's not possible. Things change.

Rome was a Republic for 500 years and then became an Empire BECAUSE it's military got too strong. But if you let the military get too weak the you get conquered.

The Empire technically lasted nearly 500 years also, the last Emperor being Romulus Augustus, but in reality everything had changed. By the year ~300, when Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople. Rome itself was already an irrelevant city -- too far from the borders to be useful in either defending the Empire or administering it efficiently. Emperors had started appointing "co-Emperors" to try to run it, just because it was ineffectively big.

But, basically, times change, and it's impossible for anyone to stay on top forever. In 5,000 years of human history, it's fairly clear that staying on top forever is impossible. The United Kingdom had a GREAT system, but even they couldn't stay on top forever.

[Calcountry]

This year, 230 years ago, thirteen colonies of the British empire signed a declaration that shook the world's foundation and broke American ties which led to a nation that would one day be the world's finest.

More than two hundred years have passed since the American Revolution, the writing of the U.S. Constitution, the election of Washington as our president, and the Louisana Purchase.

America has a proud history. One of fighting the uphill battle. Of taking circumstances and making them to our advantage. Of fighting and glory. Of freedom and everything that comes with it. Of baseball and inventions and novels that capture the American spirit.

Has the United States of America, 230 years since Thomas Jefferson wrote that declaration of Independece, not lived up to it's potential? Are we seeing a decline of "the American empire"? Would the founders of this nation frown with disgust or smile proudly at what we are today?

How can we get better? What changes must be made for America to be better than She ever has been? What can we do to make America the greatest nation in all aspects history has ever seen?They would be mighty pround of AM3RIKA.

[ChiefsfaninPA]

:shrug: No country or power stays in power forever. It's not possible. Things change.

Rome was a Republic for 500 years and then became an Empire BECAUSE it's military got too strong. But if you let the military get too weak the you get conquered.

The Empire technically lasted nearly 500 years also, the last Emperor being Romulus Augustus, but in reality everything had changed. By the year ~300, when Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople. Rome itself was already an irrelevant city -- too far from the borders to be useful in either defending the Empire or administering it efficiently. Emperors had started appointing "co-Emperors" to try to run it, just because it was ineffectively big.

But, basically, times change, and it's impossible for anyone to stay on top forever. In 5,000 years of human history, it's fairly clear that staying on top forever is impossible. The United Kingdom had a GREAT system, but even they couldn't stay on top forever.

Thats where I am trying to get at. No matter what America does, eventually someone will surpass us as a "Superpower". It is just history repeating itself.

[Dave Lane]

What can we do to make America the greatest nation in all aspects history has ever seen?

Conquer the known world ala Alexander and the Romans. Also last 1500 years like the Romans or 3000 like the Egyptians

Dave

[Amnorix]

Conquer the known world ala Alexander and the Romans. Also last 1500 years like the Romans or 3000 like the Egyptians

Dave


Alexander's empire crumbled about a week after they buried his body. Rome lasted for 1,000 years as the "Roman" Empire (I'm ignoring the Byzantium Empire here, sometimes known as the "Later Roman Empire"), but only 500 of those were as a republic. The last 450 or so were as an empire under dictators, nearly half of whom were crazed, and most of whom were killed by assassination -- often by their own soldiers.

Egypt's empire was so long ago that absolutely nothing useful can be drawn from it. Chariots were the foremost military weapon for like 2,000 years. I mean -- there's no comparison. Their greatest enemies were often the Nubians, which is so far forgotten in the dustbin of history nobody has ever even heard of them.

[NJ Chief Fan]

get rid of coppers and legalize THE REEFER!!PUFF!!!!PUFF!!!COUGH!!!!!

[Calcountry]

Thats where I am trying to get at. No matter what America does, eventually someone will surpass us as a "Superpower". It is just history repeating itself.There is nothing new under the sun.

[greg63]

Are you referring to the slave-boinking Thomas Jefferson, or perhaps Benjamin Franklin, who was a notorious womanizer?

Alexander Hamilton, who committed adultery and may have been blackmailed as a result, or Jefferson's Vice President, Aaron Burr, who shot and killed Hamilton?

Are you referring to the slave-owning South, or the North that willingly transported those slaves on ships from Africa under abominable conditions? You're also, of course, referring to a society that was utterly dominated by white males, and inevitably wealthy white males.

Keep your moralistic sermons to youself, if you please.

I wasn't aware that making reference to condoning moral behavior was sermonizing. As to keeping it to myself; I do believe first amendment rights afford me the ability to say what I want when I want, within the law. If you don't like my opinion fine - don't read it, but I will voice it whether you like it or not.

[FloridaChief]

"Let us be lovers we'll marry our fortunes together."
"I've got some real estate here in my bag."
So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies
And we walked off to look for America

"Kathy," I said as we boarded a Greyhound in Pittsburgh
"Michigan seems like a dream to me now"
It took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw
I've gone to look for America

Laughing on the bus
Playing games with the faces
She said the man in the gabardine suit was a spy
I said "Be careful his bowtie is really a camera"

"Toss me a cigarette, I think there's one in my raincoat"
"We smoked the last one an hour ago"
So I looked at the scenery, she read her magazine
And the moon rose over an open field

"Kathy, I'm lost," I said, though I knew she was sleeping
I'm empty and aching and I don't know why
Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike
They've all gone to look for America
All gone to look for America
All gone to look for America

[Psyko Tek]

That's all fine and dandy. But, the little f*ckers are geting smart. My eldest brother's eldest boy just got busted for drinking (he's 14). My brother grounded him, took all privileges away, etc. My nephew retaliated by threatening to call a lawyer and his school, telling them that he was being beaten.

Little f*cker didn't call a lawyer, but he did call his school.


one of mine did dial 911 (he's 10), told them he was being abused, cause we made him do the dishes
the lady cop that came out told us to beat his ass

and if he called again she would beat his ass and haul him to jail

[|Zach|]

I don't think America is going down the tubes...maybe thats just me though.

[Amnorix]

I wasn't aware that making reference to condoning moral behavior was sermonizing. As to keeping it to myself; I do believe first amendment rights afford me the ability to say what I want when I want, within the law. If you don't like my opinion fine -don't read it, but I will voice it whether you like it or not.

The First Amendment grants freedom of speech from GOVERNMENTAL oppression. Last I checked, I'm not the government. So nothing I do can possibly be a violation of the First Amendment.

Second, of course, you will voice your opinion regardless. This is an internet bulletin board -- it's sole purpose is for all of us schmucks to gather together in cyberspace and babble our opinions at each other.

And I meanwhile, will voice my opinion as well, and will use facts to show that other people's opinions are silly when that is my particular opinion.

[Saulbadguy]

I don't think America is going down the tubes...maybe thats just me though.
Tubes? What tubes? Where are these tubes...and where do they go?

[Saulbadguy]

The only thing I find wrong these days is it seems corporations are running this country.

[FloridaChief]

Tubes? What tubes? Where are these tubes...and where do they go?

And why has nobody ever seen them?

[patteeu]

We could surrender our sovereignty to the United Nations in the hope that one world government works out well for us.

[greg63]

The First Amendment grants freedom of speech from GOVERNMENTAL oppression. Last I checked, I'm not the government. So nothing I do can possibly be a violation of the First Amendment.

Second, of course, you will voice your opinion regardless. This is an internet bulletin board -- it's sole purpose is for all of us schmucks to gather together in cyberspace and babble our opinions at each other.

And I meanwhile, will voice my opinion as well, and will use facts to show that other people's opinions are silly when that is my particular opinion.I never said you violated anything; simply voicing objection to your demand that I not voice an opinion to which I have every right to.


So, in your opinion it is silly to advocate for morality?


The morality I spoke of is that of decent law abiding citizens.

[|Zach|]

What this country needs is more simplistic figurtive language about the past.

[Saulbadguy]

What this country needs is more simplistic figurtive language about the past.
and more cowbell.

[Jenson71]

What this country needs is more simplistic figurtive language about the past.

I'm good at that.

[Ultra Peanut]

They would be mighty pround of AM3RIKA.I prefer Amerikkka.

[listopencil]

2. ban the manufacture and distribution of non-dairy creamer




Oh no you don't. Don't **** with my coffee or I swear to God I will go on a killing spree that will make the streets run red with blood. I'm not joking.

[greg63]

He made a worthless statement...


…Worthless to whom? …You? Gosh; I guess I should retract right away.


...essentially based on a completely incorrect understanding of historical reality. I'm just pointing that out.

Sorry this doesn't carry any weight either; you don't know me well enough to speak to what my "understanding of historical reality" is. That, to me, makes what you say pretty worthless.

[RealSNR]

What America needs now....

...is love, sweet love....

[Rausch]

What America needs now....

...is love, sweet love....

No, we need to splice the genes of Reagan and ****ing FDR...

[HIChief]

You can start by dropping the descriptive Empire term. That would mean we'd have an Emperor as head of our government. Wait.....
we DO have an emperor at the head of our government!! Okay, we're an EMPIRE!

[Rausch]

You can start by dropping the descriptive Empire term. That would mean we'd have an Emperor as head of our government. Wait.....
we DO have an emperor at the head of our government!! Okay, we're an EMPIRE!

Nein!

Oh, there's definitely one common denominator with Hitler, Caligula, Saddam, and King George.

I'll give you a hint:

http://www.gamertagpics.com/messages/THEASSKICKER/eds%20retarded%20red%20shirt%20friend.jpg

[Inspector]

:shrug: No country or power stays in power forever. It's not possible. Things change.

Rome was a Republic for 500 years and then became an Empire BECAUSE it's military got too strong. But if you let the military get too weak the you get conquered.

The Empire technically lasted nearly 500 years also, the last Emperor being Romulus Augustus, but in reality everything had changed. By the year ~300, when Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople. Rome itself was already an irrelevant city -- too far from the borders to be useful in either defending the Empire or administering it efficiently. Emperors had started appointing "co-Emperors" to try to run it, just because it was ineffectively big.

But, basically, times change, and it's impossible for anyone to stay on top forever. In 5,000 years of human history, it's fairly clear that staying on top forever is impossible. The United Kingdom had a GREAT system, but even they couldn't stay on top forever.

Is there going to be a pop quiz?

[Amnorix]

I never said you violated anything; simply voicing objection to your demand that I not voice an opinion to which I have every right to.

So, in your opinion it is silly to advocate for morality?

The morality I spoke of is that of decent law abiding citizens.

Morality is fine, as far as it goes. Generally it's a good thing, but empires don't rise and fall because of its laws regarding divorce or adultery or whatever.

You're just spouting meaningless platitudes. That's fine. But I just wanted to point out that they are meaningless platitudes. :thumb:

[Amnorix]

What this country needs is more simplistic figurtive language about the past.

ROFL :toast:

[Hammock Parties]

They've made the mistake of wanting to be "the cool parents." No bullsh*t.

Some people love their kids too much.

What is needed is more "tough love."

[Chief Henry]

I wasn't aware that making reference to condoning moral behavior was sermonizing. As to keeping it to myself; I do believe first amendment rights afford me the ability to say what I want when I want, within the law. If you don't like my opinion fine - don't read it, but I will voice it whether you like it or not.

Greg,
They want the abiltity to: say-do and act with out having any consiquences to they're actions.

[pikesome]

Some people love their kids too much.

What is needed is more "tough love."

What do you do with these kids?

(CBS) BELLWOOD A UPS driver was savagely beaten by middle school students while delivering packages in the western suburbs.

The attack happened in Bellwood along the 3200 block of St. Charles.

In a CBS 2 excusive, Joanie Lum talked to the man who was savagely beaten just trying to do his job.

UPS driver Thomas Murphy says he was beaten by a group of school kids on busy St. Charles Road in Bellwood, the route he has driven for 12 years.

He says a teenager walked out in front of his delivery truck Friday at about 3 p.m. When he stopped the truck, 15 to 20 youths surrounded him.

"Somebody clocked me with a pipe. I took kicks from my right. My eyes caked over. I tried to get up and defend myself as best I could," Murphy said.

He was beaten from his head to his ankles.

"I remember being down on one knee, falling to the ground with kids on top of me," Murphy said.

He thinks a passing motorist called for help.

The Bellwood police believe the attackers came from Roosevelt Middle School, located a couple of blocks away. They have stepped up patrols in the area.

“If other delivery drivers are going to face this, we want our patrols in the area," said Bellwood Police Chief Robert Collins.

“Somebody should be held accountable for these kids. They run wild like a pack of wolves, where's the parents?" Murphy said.

In spite of his trauma, Murphy says he wants to get back to work.

"I have every intention of getting back on my route. I'd like to do it with some sense of security," he said.

Police say an anonymous witness has come forward with the names of several people involved in the attack. Murphy identified a couple of people in a photo lineup Monday afternoon, but no one's been arrested yet.

[patteeu]

We need cars like the one George Jetson drives. Preferably solar powered.

[greg63]

Morality is fine, as far as it goes. Generally it's a good thing, but empires don't rise and fall because of its laws regarding divorce or adultery or whatever.

You're just spouting meaningless platitudes. That's fine. But I just wanted to point out that they are meaningless platitudes. :thumb:


Point taken, however, I think you and I will have to agree to disagree regarding the role of morality in the rise or fall of an empire. My definition of morality transcends that of the simplistic definition you have outlined above. :thumb:

[Hammock Parties]

What do you do with these kids?

(CBS) BELLWOOD A UPS driver was savagely beaten by middle school students while delivering packages in the western suburbs.

The attack happened in Bellwood along the 3200 block of St. Charles.

In a CBS 2 excusive, Joanie Lum talked to the man who was savagely beaten just trying to do his job.

UPS driver Thomas Murphy says he was beaten by a group of school kids on busy St. Charles Road in Bellwood, the route he has driven for 12 years.

He says a teenager walked out in front of his delivery truck Friday at about 3 p.m. When he stopped the truck, 15 to 20 youths surrounded him.

"Somebody clocked me with a pipe. I took kicks from my right. My eyes caked over. I tried to get up and defend myself as best I could," Murphy said.

He was beaten from his head to his ankles.

"I remember being down on one knee, falling to the ground with kids on top of me," Murphy said.

He thinks a passing motorist called for help.

The Bellwood police believe the attackers came from Roosevelt Middle School, located a couple of blocks away. They have stepped up patrols in the area.

“If other delivery drivers are going to face this, we want our patrols in the area," said Bellwood Police Chief Robert Collins.

“Somebody should be held accountable for these kids. They run wild like a pack of wolves, where's the parents?" Murphy said.

In spite of his trauma, Murphy says he wants to get back to work.

"I have every intention of getting back on my route. I'd like to do it with some sense of security," he said.

Police say an anonymous witness has come forward with the names of several people involved in the attack. Murphy identified a couple of people in a photo lineup Monday afternoon, but no one's been arrested yet.

Obviously their parents did not give them tough love.

[|Zach|]

Obviously their parents did not give them tough love.
It isnt good for parents to enable their children either...

[MOhillbilly]

less lawyers would also be a start in the right direction.

[luv]

Some people love their kids too much.

What is needed is more "tough love."
Not necessarily "tough love". They just need to act like parents instead of trying to be their kids best friends. Your kids will tell you they hate you. They don't hate you, they hate the fact that you've actually said no for once. Get over it, they will.

[patteeu]

Another way to improve the country would be to give everyone one vote for every dollar they pay in taxes.

[greg63]

Not necessarily "tough love". They just need to act like parents instead of trying to be their kids best friends. Your kids will tell you they hate you. They don't hate you, they hate the fact that you've actually said no for once. Get over it, they will.

Good point.


As a parent for more years then I care to reveal, I have long since abandon the notion that my kids be pleased with everything I say or do that affect their lives in the short term.

[Oz_Chief]

:spock:

Explain? :hmmm:

The most powerful and prosperous country in the history of civilisation should not be handing out non-dairy creamer while every other nationaltiy gets the wholesome goodness of milk or cream.

[BIG_DADDY]

Another way to improve the country would be to give everyone one vote for every dollar they pay in taxes.


NICE!!! :clap:

[MOhillbilly]

ban pittbulls.

[mike_b_284]

1.Stop NAFTA.
2.Stop illegal immigration
3.Stop being the world police
4.Create a logical bill for Campaign Financing
5.Remove and Ban Lobbyist from Washinton
6.Stop Corporate Sponsership of those employed by the people of the United States of America.(politicians)
7. This one is the most important to the survival of the USA!!! Create a huge outsourcing tax on American Companies that up and leave the Red, White, and Blue for the cheap labor of Communist China or any other country for that matter.
8.Help to Create a International OPEC and workers rights collition that holds companies accountable for what they do in every country.

??

[BIG_DADDY]

ban pittbulls.

ROFL While were at it make all our young boys wear skirts, own poodles and make pipe smoking a required class in school. ROFL

[Jenson71]

Does the military industrial complex...."theory" have any solid ground to stand upon? I wouldn't dismiss it.

Is the "police force" a front for the mass productions of bomb after bomb and jet after jet? How much money does the military make for our country?

[Jenson71]

Does the military industrial complex...."theory" have any solid ground to stand upon? I wouldn't dismiss it.

Is the "police force" a front for the mass productions of bomb after bomb and jet after jet? How much money does the military make for our country?

Bump.

[Rausch]

Does the military industrial complex...."theory" have any solid ground to stand upon?

No.

[Jenson71]

No.

Would you care to explain?

[Rausch]

Would you care to explain?

Should I explain why aliens aren't really the masterminds behind the US gubment?

Why Elvis is dead?

[Jenson71]

Should I explain why aliens aren't really the masterminds behind the US gubment?

Why Elvis is dead?

Has a US president ever told the nation to be aware of aliens being behind the US gubment or why Elvis isn't dead?

[DenverChief]

I was born in the bicentennial year. You just reminded me that I'll be thirty this year. Thanks.

me too :)

[Rausch]

Has a US president ever told the nation to be aware of aliens being behind the US gubment or why Elvis isn't dead?

Reagan made a speech to the UN about aliens and more than one president has spoken the words "Elvis is alive."

Look it up, it's good trivia...

[Rausch]

me too :)

Ditto.

What a ****ing Motley crue we make... ROFL

[Hammock Parties]

What would return this country to greatness is getting all them damned southern JOs to stop driving like insane maniacs. ive noticed there is a huge population of mothers with minivans that cant drive worth the shit there, its horrible. when they drive like that they're teaching bad habbits to their children which in turn screws up their generation of drivers, lol. Screw the JOs, DOT RULES!!!!!!!

[Rausch]

What would return this country to greatness is getting all them damned southern JOs to stop driving like insane maniacs. ive noticed there is a huge population of mothers with minivans that cant drive worth the shit there, its horrible. when they drive like that they're teaching bad habbits to their children which in turn screws up their generation of drivers, lol. Screw the JOs, DOT RULES!!!!!!!

Women can't drive for $#it.

Men can't decorate for $#it.

It's just a universal truth...

[Hammock Parties]

Eh i guess your right. though i say i can decorate fairly well. i decorated our apartment fairly well, cause my wife really cant do it... doesnt look horrible, but i ant no martha stewart either.

[luv]

Women can't drive for $#it.

Men can't decorate for $#it.

It's just a universal truth...
I can too drive! I have several speeding tickets to prove it, too!

[Hammock Parties]

America is the only country that doesnt provide everybody with free health care, i think, (other than 3rd world countries) so id say help your people out with that cause healthcare is rather expensive. Also, require everybody to take Drivers Ed, and if they dont or havent yet, take away their liscence and dont let them drive, cause it really does make a difference. I hate when people just get over into the next lane without looking, its horrible. thats a JO thing to do, lol!!!

[greg63]

I love America; it's probably the only place in the whole world where you find people going to fast food joints to order a double bacon cheeseburger, large fries and a diet coke. :D

[Boyceofsummer]

La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

[greg63]

Hey I think I just found another I love... thread.

[luv]

I love America; it's probably the only place in the whole world where you find people going to fast food joints to order a double bacon cheeseburger, large fries and a diet coke. :D
Gotta watch those empty calories!

[Rausch]

La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

Nice.

The first post of yours I've liked.

[greg63]

Gotta watch those empty calories!

ROFL
Yup! Plus, if you drink a diet coke then you can just go hog wild because after all your drinking diet coke.

[Rausch]

ROFL
Yup! Plus, if you drink a diet coke then you can just go hog wild because after all your drinking diet coke.

Check the carbs on a can of coke vs diet coke and compare them to the hamburger buns...

[luv]

Check the carbs on a can of coke vs diet coke and compare them to the hamburger buns...
Pul-eeze. Counting carbs is so last year...lol.

[greg63]

Pul-eeze. Counting carbs is so last year...lol.


Atkins rules! :p :D

[patteeu]

We could repeal the 19th Amendment.

[BIG_DADDY]

Nice.

The first post of yours I've liked.

ROFL

[BIG_DADDY]

Does the military industrial complex...."theory" have any solid ground to stand upon? I wouldn't dismiss it.

Is the "police force" a front for the mass productions of bomb after bomb and jet after jet? How much money does the military make for our country?

Bring the violence, it's significant.

[RickObie]

To the life
If you've ever known anyone
Bring the violence
It's significant
To the life
Can you feel it?

[MahiMike]

Ban movies like BrokeBack Mountain.... STFU

[Hammock Parties]

Ban movies like BrokeBack Mountain.... STFU

It's called free speech, dumbass. If you don't like it DON'T GO SEE IT.

[BIG_DADDY]

To the life
If you've ever known anyone
Bring the violence
It's significant
To the life
Can you feel it?
:thumb:

[Jenson71]

Reagan made a speech to the UN about aliens and more than one president has spoken the words "Elvis is alive."

Look it up, it's good trivia...

Maybe so. But you still haven't explained why the military industrial complex theory has no solid grounding.

[Dayze]

stop paying elected officials like CEO's (although base salaries aren't in the millions, they get kickbacks from all over); that way people pursuing public office are in it for the 'golden parachute', rather in it for the civil service.

quit making it so GD easy to get into college. It has minimized the value of a degree (no...I don't hold a degree) and education.



and now for a more relative/realistic expectation -
parents need to be paretns; not friends with their kids. And parents shouldn't have to worry aboue lawsuits/charges inititated by either the kids, or neighbors, if they discipline their children (within reason). I called my mom a b*tch once when I was 13...my dad came home; found out, and grabbed my by the throat and pinned me against the wall and said if I ever said that again, I was a dead man. Put the fear of god in me, and I never said that chit again. And despite the media's portrayal of parents who discipline their kids...I'm not a methhead, runaway, HS dropout as a result of their discipline.

[Hammock Parties]

Maybe so. But you still haven't explained why the military industrial complex theory has no solid grounding.

I can't believe anyone is so interested in something at 18. I know I didn't give a rat's ass about "military industrial complexes" when I was graduating.

[Amnorix]

Reagan made a speech to the UN about aliens and more than one president has spoken the words "Elvis is alive."

Look it up, it's good trivia...

Eisenhower lived his whole life INSIDE the military-industrial complex. It's not like Clinton talking about it, it's freaking EISENHOWER, you know, five star general, military genius (he wasn't, but whatever), blah, blah, blah. Little difference there.