Jim Wooldridge gone. It's official.

[Saulbadguy]

www.kansascity.com/mld/ka...058780.htm

Wooldridge fired after KSU’s loss
By HOWARD RICHMAN The Kansas City Star

DALLAS — Kansas State coach Jim Wooldridge was fired immediately following the Wildcats’ 73-65 lost to Texas Tech in the first round of the Big 12 tournament Thursday at American Airlines Center.

Wooldridge went 83-90 in six seasons as K-State’s head coach. It was widely speculated that his tenure in Manhattan would end once the Wildcats lost in the conference tournament. That turned out to be true, as athletic director Tim Weiser met with Wooldridge just minutes after K-State’s loss Thursday.

Wooldridge’s tenure included 12 players who left the program for a variety of reasons. The first was Kenyatta Dix in July 2000 for undisclosed violation of team rules. The most notable was Nick Williams, a promising guard, who exited in April 2002 because of differences with Wooldridge. Williams went on to help the Cincinnati Bearcats reach the NCAA Tournament.

Wooldridge was hired March 14, 2000. That was five days after Tom Asbury was fired following a 9-19 season in which the Wildcats went 2-14 in the Big 12 and finished last.

At the time of his hiring, Wooldridge told The Star, “I know some people probably wanted a bigger-name coach. But I would say to them, ‘Don’t hold that against Kansas State basketball. We need you here. We need to do this together. And we will do it.’ ”

K-State athletics director at that time, Max Urick, recently told The Star that Wooldridge was the only job candidate who had a formal on-campus interview. Urick said Wooldridge, who had been a head coach at Central Missouri State, Texas State and Louisiana Tech, came highly recommended by legendary Wildcats’ coach Tex Winter and Tim Floyd, who was working as an assistant to Floyd with the Chicago Bulls at the time Urick tapped Wooldridge.

Winter told The Star at the time Wooldridge was picked, “I can’t think of anyone I know who would be a better fit at K-State.”

Urick said last month he fully agreed.

“Absolutely,” Urick said when asked if he thought he made the right hire six years ago. “I have no regrets or second thoughts.”

But in his very first game, Wooldridge had an ominous start. In an exhibition game against Global Sports, K-State lost 78-73 in overtime.

In the regular-season opener, the Wildcats had better fortune, beating Texas-San Antonio 71-55 at Bramlage Coliseum. But at the time, basketball still took a backseat to football. Only 4,681 attended.

Although Wooldridge upset two ranked teams his first season (No. 19 Iowa and No. 20 Missouri), the Wildcats still finished 11-18 overall and 4-12 in the Big 12 (10th place). KU pounded K-State 92-66 that season at Allen Fieldhouse, but Jayhawks standout Nick Collison praised Wooldridge’s guys.

“The score might not show it, but they played us tougher than they ever have,” Collison told The Star. “They’ve got something good going there.”

K-State posted its best Big 12 finish under Wooldridge in 2001-02, going 13-16 overall and 6-10 in the conference, tying the Wildcats for seventh-place. K-State produced the first of two victories over top-10 teams that Wooldridge registered at K-State, beating No. 9 Oklahoma State 70-61. It was the Wildcats’ first triumph against a top-10 team since stunning No. 1 KU in 1994.

But the Wildcats took a step back in 2002-03, losing seven of their last eight games, and placing 11th in the Big 12. The finale that season was a real doozy, and recently was shown on ESPN as a top-10 choke. It became known as “The Pasco Fiasco.”

K-State led Colorado by a point in the first round of the Big 12 tournament in Dallas, and had the win pretty much secured when the Buffaloes misfired on an inbounds pass, instead caught by the Wildcats’ Pervis Pasco.

Pasco, caught up in the moment, celebrated by running off with the ball, got nailed for traveling with 1.8 seconds left, and Colorado capitalized when James Wright pumped in a three-point bank shot at the horn for a 77-76 CU win.

The embarrassing setback didn’t affect Wooldridge’s next recruiting class, picked No. 1 in the country by HoopScoop, a recruiting service in Lousiville, Ky. It included Jeremiah Massey, Cartier Martin and Dez Willingham.

They helped K-State show slight improvement in 2003-04. The Wildcats went 14-14 and 6-10 in the Big 12, tying them for ninth. It was Wooldridge’s first .500 season, but could’ve been much better. The memorable games included a total meltdown in Kansas City when UMKC built a 44-point lead and went on to smack K-State 93-52; and a 57-56 home loss to Oklahoma State in which the Wildcats blew a 50-34 lead.

That March, Wooldridge received a two-year contract extension.

“I have been encouraged by several things happening in our program under Jim’s leadership,” Weiser told The Star. “Jim and I recognize there is still much work to do in order to bring our basketball program to the level we both desire.”

The 2004-05 season was marred by defections. Willingham left to be closer to home, and now is playing at SMU. In February, junior Marques Hayden departed. He was the cornerstone recruit for Wooldridge, and even scored 20 points in his first regular season game. At the conclusion of the season, second-leading scorer Fred Peete transferred to New Mexico State.

Also that month, K-State suffered another crushing defeat, one in which happened too often on Wooldridge’s watch. Oklahoma guard Drew Lavender hit a runner from the left of the paint at the buzzer, rallying the Sooners past the Wildcats 69-68 at Bramlage Coliseum.

K-State concluded the season 17-12 overall, Wooldridge’s first winning season. But the Wildcats went 6-10 in the Big 12 and took 10th place. They were not extended an NIT bid. And, on March 15 a year ago, Weiser announced Wooldridge would be retained for 2005-06.

But it came with stipulations.

“Tim pretty much said, ‘We’ve got work to do.’ I agreed,” Wooldridge told The Star that day.

But the job didn’t quite get done. So K-State is searching for its next coach.

To reach Howard Richman, K-State reporter for The Star, call (816) 234-4701 or send e-mail to hrichman@kcstar.com

[Fish]

Good.... Wooldridge was an idiot.....

I think he was using the neckbrace more for attention than for neck support anyway....

[ct]

bout time they wised up

[HC_Chief]

Huggins?

[Saulbadguy]

Huggins?
Get Huggins on the line NOW!

[HC_Chief]

Get Huggins on the line NOW!

And if he accepts, beef up the Manhattan PD, because the thug count is about to rise significantly ;)

[Saulbadguy]

And if he accepts, beef up the Manhattan PD, because the thug count is about to rise significantly ;)
Fine by me. We should notify the Taco Bell, Moon Bar, and Wal-Mart too. :)

[Saulbadguy]

Press conference at 6:00 PM. Only 3 hours and 15 minutes of Wooldridge left.

But, listening to all of the things Wooly says, he is saying all the right things.

[tk13]

I don't know why on earth you would want Bob Huggins... 0 graduation rate and a choke job late in the season every single year like clockwork.

[HC_Chief]

I don't know why on earth you would want Bob Huggins... 0 graduation rate and a choke job late in the season every single year like clockwork.

True and true, but he's a solid recruiter (even if all he recruits = thugs), and he is a winner. I believe his career winning percentage is in the mid 70s.

[Dave Lane]

:cuss: :deevee:

Dave

[ArrowheadHawk]

Fine by me. We should notify the Taco Bell, Moon Bar, and Wal-Mart too. :)
:cuss:

[tk13]

True and true, but he's a solid recruiter (even if all he recruits = thugs), and he is a winner. I believe his career winning percentage is in the mid 70s.
He recruits great athletes. No doubt about that. But there's more to basketball than recruiting, that just leads to disappointment. Quin Snyder's a good recruiter, Mike Davis is a good recruiter. I think you'd be better off finding a mid-major guy who can coach.

[Saulbadguy]

I don't know why on earth you would want Bob Huggins... 0 graduation rate and a choke job late in the season every single year like clockwork.
First part is complete bullshit.

Second part, partially true. However, i'd take a choke job in the tournament every year compared to the shit i've put up with the past decade.

[tk13]

First part is complete bullshit.

Second part, partially true. However, i'd take a choke job in the tournament every year compared to the shit i've put up with the past decade.
How is that BS? And you're in the Big 12, you can strive higher than that. Southern Illinois' coach, for instance, there's a guy I'd be all over.

[Eleazar]

I don't know why on earth you would want Bob Huggins... 0 graduation rate and a choke job late in the season every single year like clockwork.

Huggins was on 810 this morning, and when asked if Mizzou had contacted him, he dodged the question and complimented the fan base and such.

In his defense, he has rebuilt several programs. He took over some JuCo that had never had a winning record and turned them around. He did the same thing at Akron when they were on probation. Same with the Bearcats, they were on probation when he arrived I think. We need a rebuilding specialist. The cupboard couldn't be much more bare in a D1 program than it is right now.

And, unlike Snyder they didn't have the NCAA poking around, they "Self"-reported, which if you ask any KU fan around here means there weren't any real violations.

I'm not totally against it. He's got a record of winning conference games. That's a hell of a lot more than we've had to work with lately.

[Ultra Peanut]

Even thinking about comparing Huggy to guys like Snyder and Davis is utterly inane.

Huggy is a winner, and a good guy. The "Huggins = thugs" stereotype is vastly overblown.

[Saulbadguy]

How is that BS? And you're in the Big 12, you can strive higher than that. Southern Illinois' coach, for instance, there's a guy I'd be all over.
0 percent graduation rate? Come on.


I wouldn't be upset with Lowery. Huggins is a proven winner though. Lowery has only been on the job 2 seasons, i'd like to see more of him without Webers recruits.

[tk13]

Whoa now, I didn't say thugs. I don't know about all that crap... I just said he recruits great athletes. Big difference between an athlete and a thug.

[Saulbadguy]

Even thinking about comparing Huggy to guys like Snyder and Davis is utterly inane.

Huggy is a winner, and a good guy. The "Huggins = thugs" stereotype is vastly overblown.
Indeed.

[Ultra Peanut]

Whoa now, I didn't say thugs. I don't know about all that crap... I just said he recruits great athletes. Big difference between an athlete and a thug.I wasn't singling you out, I was just noting that the stereotype is crap.

Indeed.And step off. He's Marshall's!

[Eleazar]

The make or break on whether Huggins succeeds will be if he goes to K-State or not. There's some kind of strange basketball anti-matter out there. :D

[Saulbadguy]

I hope to god Huggins doesn't go to MU.

[Eleazar]

I hope to god Huggins doesn't go to MU.

I would get behind the Huggins hire more than any other names I hear being put out there.

He was very complimentary on 810 this morning. Honestly, it seemed obvious he had been contacted by MU and was interested with way he was talking. Spoke about how he thought that Missouri has a great fan base, that he played against us as a player, mentioned talented teams from the Stewart era.

I don't know if I would bet on it, but I haven't heard as strong of indications about anyone else.

Anyway. I am going back to my planet hiatus. I just wanted to come here and see if the Jim Wooldridge accomplishment thread had been bumped :D

[DJJasonp]

I hope K-State gets Huggins....

Then Huggins and Sutton can hit Aggieville together....

Flip a coin on who drives......

[Saulbadguy]

Planet hiatus? **** that.

Anyways, I read that Huggins sent "feelers" to Marshall and USF and they weren't interested.

This morning on 810, K-State wasn't discussed as much as MU because we still had a coach. I wish the interview was tommorow morning.

I think MU is going to be very very careful in their coaching search.

[tk13]

And I don't know that comparing Huggins to Snyder or Davis is that crazy... both those guys have had more tournament success than Huggins. When's the last time Cincinnati went to a final four? 92? I really like Lowery though... if he can teach your guys to play defense like SIU does you'll be in the thick of the Big XII every year.

[Saulbadguy]

I hope K-State gets Huggins....

Then Huggins and Sutton can hit Aggieville together....

Flip a coin on who drives......
KU fans FEAR Huggins. I haven't heard a single KU fan think Huggins is a good idea at MU or K-State.

[Saulbadguy]

And I don't know that comparing Huggins to Snyder or Davis is that crazy... both those guys have had more tournament success than Huggins. When's the last time Cincinnati went to a final four? 92? I really like Lowery though... if he can teach your guys to play defense like SIU does you'll be in the thick of the Big XII every year.
Snyder had more tournament success than Huggins? Are you talking about Quin Snyder?

[tk13]

Snyder had more tournament success than Huggins? Are you talking about Quin Snyder?
He went to an Elite 8... when's the last time Cincinnati was in an Elite 8?

[ArrowheadHawk]

ksu should hire quin snyder

[Saulbadguy]

He went to an Elite 8... when's the last time Cincinnati was in an Elite 8?
An elite eight. Singular.

Huggy bear had 3.

[Saulbadguy]

ksu should hire quin snyder
I will stab you in the face.

[HC_Chief]

ksu should hire quin snyder

ROFL
rep

[Eleazar]

I will stab you in the face.

Come on dude. He's a great recruiter.

[Eleazar]

Did I mention that Snyder can relate to his players?

That would be a great hire for KSU.

[DJJasonp]

KU fans FEAR Huggins. I haven't heard a single KU fan think Huggins is a good idea at MU or K-State.


We fear no one my friend (except Self himself....and maybe jim boeheim)

On a serious note, it would definitely be a step up for KSU. And the guy seems to be able to recruit and do well with big-time players.

[tk13]

An elite eight. Singular.

Huggy bear had 3.
Yeaaaah. I don't know. I mean you could do a lot worse, but I just think of all those Cincinnati teams he had that were so talented and completely underachieved. That's just frustrating.

[ArrowheadHawk]

who is huggins?

[Saulbadguy]

Yeaaaah. I don't know. I mean you could do a lot worse, but I just think of all those Cincinnati teams he had that were so talented and completely underachieved. That's just frustrating.
I'll agree with that. However, we are talking about K-State, who hasn't seen postseason play since 1999, REAL postseason play since 1996, and a postseason win since 1988.

I'd love some underachieving in the tourney every year.

[Saulbadguy]

who is huggins?
Are you serious?

[ArrowheadHawk]

Are you serious?
i really didn't know who the guy in your av and sig were until today

[tk13]

I'll agree with that. However, we are talking about K-State, who hasn't seen postseason play since 1999, REAL postseason play since 1996, and a postseason win since 1988.

I'd love some underachieving in the tourney every year.
I know what you're saying, but aim high! Take out those Jayhawks! Dominate the state of Kansas! :)

[Saulbadguy]

i really didn't know who the guy in your av and sig were until today
Doesn't surprise me. You are fairly ignorant when it comes to college basketball.

"What is rpi?"

"Who is Bob Huggins"

What's next? "Who is John Wooden?"

[Ultra Peanut]

Huggins' Cincinnati resume:

16 years, 14 NCAA Tournament appearances; 399-127 overall record, 20-14 NCAA Tournament record. Four Sweet Sixteens, three Elite Eights, one Final Four.

Cincinnati's overall record under the two coaches prior to Huggins (11 years): 138-171.

[Saulbadguy]

I know what you're saying, but aim high! Take out those Jayhawks! Dominate the state of Kansas! :)
It's a matter of expectations. Right now the bar is set pretty low for K-State basketball fans.

[Saulbadguy]

Psicosis: Is John Calipari firmly behind Memphis?

I've heard some rumors that Mizzou is interested in him. I guess his wife is from Missouri?

[tk13]

Huggins' Cincinnati resume:

16 years, 14 NCAA Tournament appearances; 399-127 overall record, 20-14 NCAA Tournament record. Four Sweet Sixteens, three Elite Eights, one Final Four.

Cincinnati's overall record under the two coaches prior to Huggins (11 years): 138-171.
Well obviously that's gonna kick the behind of anybody I suggest. He's got a good resume. I won't argue that. I think you'd be just as well off to hire an up and comer though. Like last year, you coulda beat down Bruce Pearl with Bob Huggins' resume, but that doesn't mean Pearl's not a great coach.

[Saulbadguy]

With all my Huggins pimping, i've left out some other names I think should be considered AND contacted.

Rick Majerus
Rob Jeter
Chris Lowery
Mark Fox
Steve Lavin
Mike Anderson
Mick Cronin
Jeff Capel

[Ultra Peanut]

Psicosis: Is John Calipari firmly behind Memphis?Anything Mizzou can offer, he already has here. Money, facilities, everything aside from the Big XII is even or better than what's in place at Mizzou. Additionally, he likes being located in an urban environment and uses that to his advantage when pitching the opportunities The U of M provides for players after their careers are over.

I could see him leaving for a job at one of the truly elite schools, like a Kentucky, but nothing less.

Mike Anderson's name has been coming up with Mizzou, but he's from B'ham, and has already gotten UAB to a Top 25-quality level (bizarre losses to WKU, Minnesota, and DePaul aside). The school is dedicated to paying him, and he could honestly get something better in a few more years. He could take the Mizzou job, but it's no better than 50-50 at this point, I would guess.

[Ultra Peanut]

Well obviously that's gonna kick the behind of anybody I suggest. He's got a good resume. I won't argue that. I think you'd be just as well off to hire an up and comer though. Like last year, you coulda beat down Bruce Pearl with Bob Huggins' resume, but that doesn't mean Pearl's not a great coach.Pearl is ten times the slimeball that Huggy is made out to be. He's a damn good coach, though.

[Dave Lane]

Huggins would be a really bad fit for MU with all the problems they have had no way can they get a potential problem. But mildcats knock yourselves out...

Dave

[Saulbadguy]

Huggins would be a really bad fit for MU with all the problems they have had no way can they get a potential problem. But mildcats knock yourselves out...

Dave
We'll take him. Thanks!

[Dave Lane]

With all my Huggins pimping, i've left out some other names I think should be considered AND contacted.

Rick Majerus
Rob Jeter
Chris Lowery
Mark Fox
Steve Lavin
Mike Anderson
Mick Cronin
Jeff Capel


Actually as a KU guy Dougherty or Anderson is who I would least like to see there. Majerus too but I think his health is still too bad. He eats a Hardees thickburger and a Grilled chicken sandwich with 2 fries and 2 cokes for lunch cuz his doctor told him to try eating the chicken at Hardees more often...

Dave

[Saulbadguy]

Actually as a KU guy Dougherty or Anderson is who I would least like to see there. Majerus too but I think his health is still too bad. He eats a Hardees thickburger and a Grilled chicken sandwich with 2 fries and 2 cokes for lunch cuz his doctor told him to try eating the chicken at Hardees more often...

Dave
Majerus has lost a lot of weight if you've seen him on ESPN recently. He didn't want the USC job because of the lack of control.

Dougherty? Do you mean Neil Dougherty from TCU, or Matt Doherty from Florida Atlantic?

Either way, I wouldn't want either of those guys.

[Ultra Peanut]

"I've gotta go to the bathroom. Can I go?"

[Dartgod]

Doesn't surprise me. You are fairly ignorant when it comes to college basketball.

"What is rpi?"

"Who is Bob Huggins"

What's next? "Who is John Wooden?"
Who's John Wooden?

[HC_Chief]

Actually as a KU guy Dougherty or Anderson is who I would least like to see there.

I think Doherty is a good coach and an excellent recruiter (he recruited Roy's NC team). He did a great job at ND, but bailed too early. Can't really blame him: it <i>was</i> for an elite position, but it proved to be a bit much for him at the time.

[banyon]

good for K-State. We need to get the rivalry fired back up.

[Eleazar]

Planet hiatus? **** that.


Well, I just figured I would skip all the excruciating free agency stuff and come back around the draft.

"OMGZ WE NEEZ TY LAW N TROTTER N CULPEPER!!!"

Eh.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Doesn't surprise me. You are fairly ignorant when it comes to college basketball.

"What is rpi?"

"Who is Bob Huggins"

What's next? "Who is John Wooden?"
so you are telling me that because i don't follow all 150-200 NCAA teams i'm ignorant when it comes to college basketball and fyi i know who wooden is

[Eleazar]

so you are telling me that because i don't follow all 150-200 NCAA teams i'm ignorant when it comes to college basketball and fyi i know who wooden is

I can't remember reading any of your posts before, but if you don't know what RPI is or who Bob Huggins is, I can't imagine that you follow basketball very closely.

[banyon]

so you are telling me that because i don't follow all 150-200 NCAA teams i'm ignorant when it comes to college basketball and fyi i know who wooden is

BTW, there are @320 Division I teams, so that's another 100+ you can start following too.

[ROYC75]

Jim Wooldridge gone. It's official.


Bummer dude, he was a nice guy ! :)

[ArrowheadHawk]

I can't remember reading any of your posts before, but if you don't know what RPI is or who Bob Huggins is, I can't imagine that you follow basketball very closely.
i do know what rpi is and i follow the shit out of kansas basketball....i read everthing i can find on it i even have google sending me every news article with the words kansas and jayhawk in them and i try to follow as much of the big 12 as possible for me to do but I am lucky that the wife lets me watch KU basketball and KC football any sports besides ones featuring those teams and i watch what she wants.

[ArrowheadHawk]

BTW, there are @320 Division I teams, so that's another 100+ you can start following too.
ill get right on it

[tk13]

How about Steve Lavin? Huh? Saul? :)

[ChiefsCountry]

Here is K-State's next coach:

http://www.okcareertech.org/pio/champs/photos/hinson.jpg

Barry Hinson. ROFL

If you guys do hire him, thank you from Missouri State fans everywhere.

[Saulbadguy]

How about Steve Lavin? Huh? Saul? :)
I posted his name in my other candidates post.

[Saulbadguy]

Here is K-State's next coach:

http://www.okcareertech.org/pio/champs/photos/hinson.jpg

Barry Hinson. ROFL

If you guys do hire him, thank you from Missouri State fans everywhere.
I hate you.

[Saulbadguy]

i do know what rpi is and i follow the shit out of kansas basketball....i read everthing i can find on it i even have google sending me every news article with the words kansas and jayhawk in them and i try to follow as much of the big 12 as possible for me to do but I am lucky that the wife lets me watch KU basketball and KC football any sports besides ones featuring those teams and i watch what she wants.
Yep. Typical.

[ChiefsCountry]

I hate you.

Hey dont blame me.

[HemiEd]

I have lost track of this guy, wonder if he is available. Dean Smith coaching tree!

[Saulbadguy]

Press conference on 810 now.

[Raiderhater]

So, uh.... Anyone know what Lon Kruger is doing these days?

[Saulbadguy]

So, uh.... Anyone know what Lon Kruger is doing these days?
HC at UNLV. I think he may leave for Arizona State this season.

[big nasty kcnut]

Wooly fired well ain't that a bitch welcome new coach bob huggins

[Saulbadguy]

HUGGY BEAR!

I'm pumped for this coaching search. More so than the football search.

[Skip Towne]

KU fans FEAR Huggins. I haven't heard a single KU fan think Huggins is a good idea at MU or K-State.
What a load of crap. Remember all the talk about what Bobby Knight was going to do to the Big XII when he got to TT? KU has done nothing but kick the shit out of Bobby Knight. Knight has better credentials than Huggins. Hell, he has better credentials than everybody except Wooden.

[Saulbadguy]

Kietzman is going apeshit. This is great.

[Saulbadguy]

What a load of crap. Remember all the talk about what Bobby Knight was going to do to the Big XII when he got to TT? KU has done nothing but kick the shit out of Bobby Knight. Knight has better credentials than Huggins. Hell, he has better credentials than everybody except Wooden.
Exactly. You just made my point.

[Raiderhater]

HUGGY BEAR!

I'm pumped for this coaching search. More so than the football search.


Well yeah, that only makes sense.

[Saulbadguy]

Well yeah, that only makes sense.
This situation is so much better, IMO.

[Skip Towne]

Exactly. You just made my point.
There is only so much a coach can do with some of these also ran schools. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

[Saulbadguy]

There is only so much a coach can do with some of these also ran schools. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Is that why Roy left KU*?

*and then won a title

[Raiderhater]

There is only so much a coach can do with some of these also ran schools. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.


Tell that to Bill Snyder. Hell, that program didn't even qualify as an "also ran".

[CoMoChief]

Get Huggins on the line NOW!


Huggins wouldnt accept the KSU job. IMO he would go to a program with a little more prestigue.

[Demonpenz]

i heard quinn snyders name being mentioned on 610

[Saulbadguy]

Huggins wouldnt accept the KSU job. IMO he would go to a program with a little more prestigue.
Like MU*?

*MU does not have more prestige than K-State

I'm not saying MU is a worse job. It does not have more prestige, though.

I really hope WVU keeps Beilein. If he leaves for a bigger job, Huggins will go to WVU, nearly guaranteed.

[CoMoChief]

Is that why Roy left KU*?

*and then won a title



Roy left to re-unite with Dean Smith and his alma mater at UNC. He is also I think the highest paid college bball coach. Not to mention his relationship with the AD, even though they literally fired the AD to keep Roy. I'm sure you probably already know this, youre just being a smartass. :)

[CoMoChief]

Like MU*?

*MU does not have more prestige than K-State

I'm not saying MU is a worse job. It does not have more prestige, though.

I really hope WVU keeps Beilein. If he leaves for a bigger job, Huggins will go to WVU, nearly guaranteed.



I didn't say anything about MU. I disagree though to your comment, I think MU is a little bit better job as far as prestigue goes.

[Saulbadguy]

I didn't say anything about MU. I disagree though to your comment, I think MU is a little bit better job as far as prestigue goes.
I think they have better facilities, and a bigger fan base, and could offer more money. Other than that, not much. I think there is more talent on K-States roster at this point, too.

[CoMoChief]

I think they have better facilities, and a bigger fan base, and could offer more money. Other than that, not much. I think there is more talent on K-States roster at this point, too.


What is it more that you would want from a basketball program? MU has probably accomplished more than KSU from a basketball standpoint, so MU probably has a better history/bball tradition. Oh but I definately agree about the level of talent being better at KSU at this point. But I think recruiting would be better at MU

[Saulbadguy]

What is it more that you would want from a basketball program? MU has probably accomplished more than KSU from a basketball standpoint, so MU probably has a better history/bball tradition. Oh but I definately agree about the level of talent being better at KSU at this point. But I think recruiting would be better at MU
MU has accomplished more recently. Overall, K-State has a slightly better basketball tradition, and has done slightly more throughout history.

All things equal, recruiting would be slightly better at MU.

The wild card with MU is Elsen Floyd and Mike Alden, and the awful mess that AD has created.

[Skip Towne]

The edge goes to K-State in history. They have been to the Final Four at least once and I think twice. Mizzou? Well............ MU would be the better school for recuiting. It's a "Manhatan" thing. But, in the last analysis, THEY BOTH STINK.

[CoMoChief]

MU has accomplished more recently. Overall, K-State has a slightly better basketball tradition, and has done slightly more throughout history.

All things equal, recruiting would be slightly better at MU.

The wild card with MU is Elsen Floyd and Mike Alden, and the awful mess that AD has created.


Can't argue about the front office mess at MU though. It's a joke IMO. Recently is what we are talking about here though because KSU recently has an open HC job. I dont think players are gonna choose KSU over MU based on whether they made the final four 30 years ago or however long its been.

[WilliamTheIrish]

What is it more that you would want from a basketball program? MU has probably accomplished more than KSU from a basketball standpoint, so MU probably has a better history/bball tradition. Oh but I definately agree about the level of talent being better at KSU at this point. But I think recruiting would be better at MU


Really?

Name the accomplishments of MUt Bball.

I've got time....

[WilliamTheIrish]

The edge goes to K-State in history. They have been to the Final Four at least once and I think twice. Mizzou? Well............ MU would be the better school for recuiting. It's a "Manhatan" thing. But, in the last analysis, THEY BOTH STINK.


4 Final Fours.

1 championship game loss.

[Saulbadguy]

What is it more that you would want from a basketball program? MU has probably accomplished more than KSU from a basketball standpoint, so MU probably has a better history/bball tradition. Oh but I definately agree about the level of talent being better at KSU at this point. But I think recruiting would be better at MU
Recently, MU has finished 11th in the Big XII, and a couple of first round NIT exits.

Slightly better than K-State.

[Saulbadguy]

All things considered I think MU and K-State are fairly equal as far as the job goes. I don't think MU is interested in Huggins though.

[Skip Towne]

Recently, MU has finished 11th in the Big XII, and a couple of first round NIT exits.

Slightly better than K-State.
I love watching you guys arguing about who is worse. Hahahahahaha

[alanm]

Collier should be gone at Nebraska by tomorrow. :clap: :thumb:

[Saulbadguy]

I love watching you guys arguing about who is worse. Hahahahahaha
Not quite as amusing as you trying to act like you know anything about anything.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I love watching you guys arguing about who is worse. Hahahahahaha

We love that you don't want Huggins to come to KSU.

[Saulbadguy]

Collier should be gone at Nebraska by tomorrow. :clap: :thumb:
Are you sure?

[alanm]

Are you sure?
Unless of course they win tonight. By all accounts he's gone. :)

[Saulbadguy]

Unless of course they win tonight. By all accounts he's gone. :)
We'll see.

[CoMoChief]

4 Final Fours.

1 championship game loss.


As far as the BEST job right now, you cant argue that MU is better than KSU. No one is gonna care what happened 30-40-50 years ago. MU will get better recruiting, they better facilities, bigger and better fan base along with "some" national prestigue. KSU does not have that. Thats what makes it a better job IMO.

[Saulbadguy]

As far as the BEST job right now, you cant argue that MU is better than KSU. No one is gonna care what happened 30-40-50 years ago. MU will get better recruiting, they better facilities, bigger and better fan base along with "some" national prestigue. KSU does not have that. Thats what makes it a better job IMO.
I agree. The thing hurting MU is the front office mess. Thats why I say they are pretty much equal, along with more talent on K-States roster.

MU will get better recruiting if they get a better coach.

[ChiefsCountry]

K-State has the edge in history, MU has the edge in recent history, facilities, cash, market share, school, and recruiting territory.

[Skip Towne]

K-State has the edge in history, MU has the edge in recent history, facilities, cash, market share, school, and recruiting territory.
K-Sate has more cows.

[WilliamTheIrish]

As far as the BEST job right now, you cant argue that MU is better than KSU. No one is gonna care what happened 30-40-50 years ago. MU will get better recruiting, they better facilities, bigger and better fan base along with "some" national prestigue. KSU does not have that. Thats what makes it a better job IMO.

Because your and idiot I'll quote what you posted.


What is it more that you would want from a basketball program? MU has probably accomplished more than KSU from a basketball standpoint, so MU probably has a better history/bball tradition. Oh but I definately agree about the level of talent being better at KSU at this point. But I think recruiting would be better at MU

And I said: "Okay, show me the historical accomplishments of the MUt Bball program."
To which you replied... history doesn't matter... or some such horseshiot.
In recent history (20 years), the MUt's have advanced to a grand total of 1 Elite Eight. Oddly enough, that's the same number of EE's that KSU has advanced also.

MU does have a brand spanking new arena. MU also has an AD that's and idiot, a Chancellor that's and idiot, and fans that are and idiots.

[Skip Towne]

Because your and idiot I'll quote what you posted.




And I said: "Okay, show me the historical accomplishments of the MUt Bball program."
To which you replied... history doesn't matter... or some such horseshiot.
In recent history (20 years), the MUt's have advanced to a grand total of 1 Elite Eight. Oddly enough, that's the same number of EE's that KSU has advanced also.

MU does have a brand spanking new arena. MU also has an AD that's and idiot, a Chancellor that's and idiot, and fans that are and idiots.
You forgot and MUrons.

[KevB]

A couple of thoughts:

1) Calipari is not going to MU, as someone mentioned earlier. It bears repeating. He has everything he wants at Memphis, except an elite conference. And frankly, with his ability to control his non-conference schedule, I'm not sure he minds. He's guaranteed 20+ wins, most likely a conference championship, and he's proven the conference affiliation doesn't negatively affect his recruiting.

2) I think Huggins would look very hard at the KSU job. He won't get pick of the litter....in today's NCAA world, many schools won't want to take a chance (even if some of the negatives are only perception). KSU is likely one of the few schools willing to roll the dice a bit. He has a solid administration, good talent returning, a solid fan base who will swoon if he gets to the NCAA inside of two years. My only concern is that he wants to stay in a more metropolitan environment.

3) I think the national perception is that MU is the better job of the two, but if someone really took a close look that might not be the case. MU's administration, immediate expectations despite a complete lack of talent and recent NCAA problems really put a damper on that job IMO.

[Saulbadguy]

HC at UNLV. I think he may leave for Arizona State this season.
Rob Evans is out at Arizona State. Another competitor. I predict Kruger will go to Arizona State.

[Saulbadguy]

Just another reason that the K-State job could be more attractive than the MU job:

Lancelot Link

DALLAS — Eight Missouri players, including all three of the remaining starters, might not return next season.

Junior guard Thomas Gardner, junior guard James Douglas, sophomore forward Marshall Brown, sophomore guard Jason Horton, sophomore forward Glen Dandridge, freshman forward Matt Lawrence, freshman center Kalen Grimes and freshman forward Leo Lyons have expressed thoughts about leaving the program depending on who is named coach and whether interim coach Melvin Watkins is retained in some capacity.

"I said earlier that if coach Watkins is here, I would definitely come back," Gardner said.

Horton said several players thought about transferring even before former coach Quin Snyder resigned because of lack of playing time and unhappiness with the team. But those feelings have increased.

The team will meet Monday after athletics director Mike Alden speaks with them about the coaching search. Guard Jason Horton said that meeting probably will determine whether all stay or go.

"I don't think there's going to be an in between," Horton said. "I think if a couple guys say they want to stay, we'll all stay. If a couple say they want to go, we'll all go."

Alden said Watkins would not be offered the head coaching position but that he would sit down with Watkins during the next couple of weeks to determine his interest either as an assistant or a member of the basketball personnel.

Watkins said Friday he hasn't thought about staying with the Missouri staff in any capacity other than his current role as interim head coach. He said he has not talked with any of the players about them leaving if he isn't retained, but plans to do so this week.

Watkins said the idea of staying at Missouri is appealing because his son, Marcus, is a junior on the basketball team, and his daughter is enrolled in the Missouri medical school. However, Watkins maintains that he still has the desire to be a head coach.

The university has agreed in principle to work with Bob Beaudine, a recruiting specialist with Eastman-Beaudine in Plano, Texas, to aid in the coaching search. Alden said he and chancellor Brady Deaton met with Beaudine in Dallas at the Big 12 tournament on Thursday and will finalize an agreement next week.

"He possessed a lot of qualities that we wanted in a consultant," Alden said.

Missouri did not use a consultant in hiring Snyder and said that Beaudine would not only be used as a go-between for the university and sitting coaches, but also to check the candidates' backgrounds.

Alden said there is no timetable on when a new coach will be hired, but he said that coach probably would determine whether to release the players who want to leave. Players would have to sit out a season unless Missouri waives them. Alden said he didn't want to speculate about giving incoming players waivers until after a new coach was hired.

Current players would need to petition the NCAA to play right away or to get the year that they missed back at the end of their eligibility.

But the players are holding firm to their decision, and the four underclassmen said they wouldn't object to sitting out a season.

"If it takes sitting out a season, that's what we're going to do," Horton said.