When I was twelve.

[Halfcan]

My Mom would not let me go see the movie "The Warriors" because it was about gangs and supposedly would make me want to be violent. I could not go see the bands Kiss and Alice Cooper, because it would make me want to kill things and worship the devil. I don't blame my mom, it was the media and government, trying to set laws and moral conduct standards.

Fast Forward

My son is 12, and he is playing the game "The Warriors" on Playstation, based on the movie of course, where he actual has to bust heads and fight, just like the movie. As far as music, Rap is mainstream-and mostly glorifies gang life. There are barely any moral conduct standards left.

Okay here is the question??

Which example is more likely to promote future violence and a menace to society.

[Mecca]

Yea but she let you listen to Rush so that explains why you ended up like you are.

[Miles]

When I was twelve Iron Maiden was still making videos that were on MTV.

[greg63]

...Equally the same, but I am not an authority on the subject.

[Mecca]

In all seriousness, if video games or seeing something on TV makes your kid become violent or act really strange. I personally think that kid had some issues to begin with. I know me personally and my brother were never shielded from any of that and we're fine.

[listopencil]

I don't know. My kids listen to the local oldies channel and love it. They don't care for rap, they think it sucks.

[Halfcan]

Yea but she let you listen to Rush so that explains why you ended up like you are.


Actually didn't start listening to Rush until the 80's.

I remember on Christmas, my sister got me Ozzy's Diary of a Madman. I opened it up in front of all my family-they all freaked. Aunts and Uncles, grandparents thought I was some devil worshiper. Here it is the Holy day, and I got this album with Ozzy with blood on him.


I loved it, best xmas present ever! :)

[Mecca]

I don't know. My kids listen to the local oldies channel and love it. They don't care for rap, they think it sucks.

Do your kids wear berets, smoke pipes and read beatnik literature too?

[Bugeater]

Kids are more likely to follow the examples you set for them. I really don't think the music they listen to or the games they play have much influence on the direction of their lives.

[Halfcan]

I don't know. My kids listen to the local oldies channel and love it. They don't care for rap, they think it sucks.


Smart kids!

[Halfcan]

Kids are more likely to follow the examples you set for them. I really don't think the music they listen to or the games they play have much influence on the direction of their lives.


Dude back in the day they were dragging Rock stars to court for crimes kids commited. Preachers were having a field day.

[Mecca]

Dude back in the day they were dragging Rock stars to court for crimes kids commited. Preachers were having a field day.

And people think society is messed up now......

[007]

I don't know. My kids listen to the local oldies channel and love it. They don't care for rap, they think it sucks.

Smart kids. :thumb: Good job.

[greg63]

Kids are more likely to follow the examples you set for them. I really don't think the music they listen to or the games they play have much influence on the direction of their lives.


I don't disagree with you here, but I do think what we absorb through our eyes and hears can influence our attitudes.

[007]

I don't disagree with you here, but I do think what we absorb through our eyes and hears can influence our attitudes.

That is why the parents need to be the moral compass. As long as partents act like parents, I believe 99% of kids turn out fine.

[listopencil]

Do your kids wear berets, smoke pipes and read beatnik literature too?

Heh-they wear what they want (within my guidelines), they're too smart to smoke like I do as I've given them the "I'm addicted to nicotine" speech quite a few times, and they read a huge variety of literature.

[Halfcan]

I don't disagree with you here, but I do think what we absorb through our eyes and hears can influence our attitudes.


But when I was 12 it was everything short of "censorship" then the 80's hit and Reagan said **** it. It just made me want me to rebel even more. That is what heavy metal was, what Rock and Roll used to be, and sadly what Rap is today.

[Bugeater]

Dude back in the day they were dragging Rock stars to court for crimes kids commited. Preachers were having a field day.

How many of them were ever convicted of anything?

[Halfcan]

How many of them were ever convicted of anything?


Well Ozzy got off on the Suicide Solution case, but then pissed on the Alamo and got a lifetime ban in San Antonio.

Judas Priest were charged but received an aquittal.

On the other hand

Vince Neil of Motley, only got 30 days for vehicular manslaughter when he wrecked his sportscar and killed Razzle of Hanoi Rocks.


Makes a lot of freakin sense :hmmm: :banghead:

[greg63]

But when I was 12 it was everything short of "censorship" then the 80's hit and Reagan said **** it. It just made me want me to rebel even more. That is what heavy metal was, what Rock and Roll used to be, and sadly what Rap is today.

True, kids are always gonna rebel against what the establishment says is wrong. I think the problem is that we parents tend to go about it all the wrong way. I'm not saying I'm right, but when I see my kids going in a direction that I don't like I try to encourage them to lead instead of follow; to think for themselves. :shrug:

[Bugeater]

I don't disagree with you here, but I do think what we absorb through our eyes and hears can influence our attitudes.

I don't think that's necessarily the case with video games and music. On the other hand, I DO think what they see on television has a substantial impact on them.

[CoMoChief]

I really never had anything censored while growing up. Of course there was the obvious that I couldnt watch porn but it was only a matter oftime before friends older brothers got playboy/hustler magazines and other porn magazines. As far as movies go I always went to go see R rated movies if it looked good. If cable companies are crackin down on TV censorships and such then they also need to censor the news because that shit is real and you can see all of the same bad shit that happens in movies on the news later that night. It just doesnt make any sense. What keeps a kid from going to a friends house to watch porn or play violent video games and such when his parents dont allow it? I remember back when I was 10-12 and Cinemax Late Night and all of that shit was on TV. Friends would come over because "I was the guy who had the good cable". Theres really no way to censor anything anymore unless they do it by the masses and that would kill ratings, lose money etc. Once again theres nothing that prevents a person from going to a friends house and not telling the parents what theyre watching etc.

[luv]

I don't disagree with you here, but I do think what we absorb through our eyes and hears can influence our attitudes.
Actually, IMO, when it comes to music, I usually listen to whatever enhances the mood I'm already in. If kids are listening to songs that talk about certain things, like killing themselves or whatever, chances are those thoughts are already in their head.

[greg63]

I don't think that's necessarily the case with video games and music. On the other hand, I DO think what they see on television has a substantial impact on them.


Agreed. :thumb:

[Bugeater]

Well Ozzy got off on the Suicide Solution case, but then pissed on the Alamo and got a lifetime ban in San Antonio.

Judas Priest were charged but received an aquittal.

On the other hand

Vince Neil of Motley, only got 30 days for vehicular manslaughter when he wrecked his sportscar and killed Razzle of Hanoi Rocks.


Makes a lot of freakin sense :hmmm: :banghead:

I remember the Ozzy deal, but not anything about JP. Those years are kind of foggy. :bong: Now if you want to start pointing out inconsistencies in the law, we can do that until the cows come home.

[luv]

I remember the Ozzy deal, but not anything about JP. Those years are kind of foggy. :bong: Now if you want to start pointing out inconsistencies in the law, we can do that until the cows come home.
Did your cows run away? What were you doing to them? :p

[007]

Did your cows run away? What were you doing to them? :p


The REAL question is.... Do we WANT to know? :hmmm:

[Bugeater]

Actually, IMO, when it comes to music, I usually listen to whatever enhances the mood I'm already in. If kids are listening to songs that talk about certain things, like killing themselves or whatever, chances are those thoughts are already in their head.

I'm pretty sure that's the conclusion they came to in the Ozzy lawsuit.

[greg63]

Actually, IMO, when it comes to music, I usually listen to whatever enhances the mood I'm already in. If kids are listening to songs that talk about certain things, like killing themselves or whatever, chances are those thoughts are already in their head.

While this certainly more than likely is the case, I do think that in attempts for kids to "fit in" it is possible for them to hear things in songs that they might not otherwise listen too that can put them in a frame of mind that they wouldn't ordinarilly find themselves in.


I'm probably talkin out of my shorts though.

[Halfcan]

I don't think that's necessarily the case with video games and music. On the other hand, I DO think what they see on television has a substantial impact on them.

My kids just laugh at Freddy and Jason like its a comedy. That was scary shit back in the day. Nowdays its, Saw 2 and The Ring, that is what's scary.

[Bugeater]

Did your cows run away? What were you doing to them? :p
:harumph: Never you mind.

[listopencil]

Once again theres nothing that prevents a person from going to a friends house and not telling the parents what theyre watching etc.



I used to watch Benny Hill at my grandma's house on cable.

[CoMoChief]

I don't think that's necessarily the case with video games and music. On the other hand, I DO think what they see on television has a substantial impact on them.


I think that rap music especially has an effect on black teenagers. A lot of them look up to these people that do nothing but promote violence, drugs and other gang related activities.

[luv]

While this certainly more than likely is the case, I do think that in attempts for kids to "fit in" it is possible for them to hear things in songs that they might not otherwise listen too that can put them in a frame of mind that they wouldn't ordinarilly find themselves in.


I'm probably talkin out of my shorts though.
Kids are also pressured into sex, drugs, breaking the law, etc. The kids that are secure enough in themselves won't fall for it. If their that insecure, then the issues lie deeper than peer pressure.

[Halfcan]

I used to watch Benny Hill at my grandma's house on cable.
LOL I loved Benny Hill-that was poor mans soft porn back then. If you couldn't get Cannel Z or Cinemax-you could watch BH.

[luv]

:harumph: Never you mind.
Do you have those gloves that go clear up to your shoulders?

[greg63]

My kids just laugh at Freddy and Jason like its a comedy. That was scary shit back in the day. Nowdays its, Saw 2 and The Ring, that is what's scary.
Well, it is all about perception, and Hollywood is always making special affects innovations that aid in that process.

[greg63]

Kids are also pressured into sex, drugs, breaking the law, etc. The kids that are secure enough in themselves won't fall for it. If their that insecure, then the issues lie deeper than peer pressure.

Agreed! :thumb:

[listopencil]

LOL I loved Benny Hill-that was poor mans soft porn back then. If you couldn't get Cannel Z or Cinemax-you could watch BH.

Yep-sometimes she would ask me what I was watching and I would go,"PBS!" and she wouldn't even look. Good stuff.

[Halfcan]

I think that rap music especially has an effect on black teenagers. A lot of them look up to these people that do nothing but promote violence, drugs and other gang related activities.


But has it been proven? They said Heavy Metal promoted Sex and Violence and Social disorder.

But like love said I was allready like that, before I started listening, it just reinforced the fact that I wanted to get laid and party while breaking every law in the book.

[luv]

But has it been proven? They said Heavy Metal promoted Sex and Violence and Social disorder.

But like love said I was allready like that, before I started listening, it just reinforced the fact that I wanted to get laid and party while breaking every law in the book.
Calling me love now? :spock:

[Bugeater]

I think that rap music especially has an effect on black teenagers. A lot of them look up to these people that do nothing but promote violence, drugs and other gang related activities.

It still goes back to what Luv said, many of them grow up in environments where those things are already a part of their lives.

[Halfcan]

Kids are also pressured into sex, drugs, breaking the law, etc. The kids that are secure enough in themselves won't fall for it. If their that insecure, then the issues lie deeper than peer pressure.


Yep I was always the bad kid looking for little miss goody two shoes, to get her drunk and other things-lol My dad always said be a leader not a follower.

[Miles]

Woh this turned into the old thread.

[Ultra Peanut]

You are old.

[luv]

I think that rap music especially has an effect on black teenagers. A lot of them look up to these people that do nothing but promote violence, drugs and other gang related activities.
White teenagers from middle-high class families are into it too. I went to a preppy, upper-class high school. There were probably more drugs there than at the schools on "the other side of town". You're into whatever you can relate to on some level.

[Halfcan]

Calling me love now? :spock:


sorry just a typo my Wuv

or

just a slip showing my true feelings :hmmm:

[Bugeater]

Do you have those gloves that go clear up to your shoulders?
C'mon now, get off my case! The cow wanted it more than I did!

[Halfcan]

C'mon now, get off my case! The cow wanted it more than I did!


Yeah but Moo means Moo! :shake:

[luv]

C'mon now, get off my case! The cow wanted it more than I did!
ROFL

I think I'm gonna go pop in a movie and crash. 'Night all.

[luv]

Yeah but Moo means Moo! :shake:
Maybe it's just me, but I actually found that funny.

[greg63]

ROFL

I think I'm gonna go pop in a movie and crash. 'Night all.


Nite Luv!


Speaking of Crash...

[Halfcan]

Maybe it's just me, but I actually found that funny.


Wow that is twice tonight I was funny. Must be the Meth.

[Halfcan]

Nite Luv!


Speaking of Crash...


I wish I could, I will be tweaking for days-lol That is all we do in Independence don't you know.

[Bugeater]

Look at me, busy as a bee! Where'd I get all this energy?!
Whoah-oh-oh meth, mmmmm meth!
I don't sleep, and I don't eat. But I've got the cleanest house on the street!
Whoah-oh-oh meth, mmmmm meth!
Get these hairs all out of my face! Get these bugs all out of my place!
One more hit, no time to waste!
Whoah-oh-oh meth! MMMmmMmm Meth!

[greg63]

I wish I could, I will be tweaking for days-lol That is all we do in Independence don't you know.


ROFLROFLROFLROFL

[big nasty kcnut]

It's better to show these kids the darkness now then someone who don't care for them does.

[007]

Yeah but Moo means Moo! :shake:
ROFL

[Chief Chief]

Halfcan, you answered your own question.

You were shielded from violence and hard rock music, yet you allow your own kid to experience them.

I doubt your parents grew up on media promoting violence and devil-worshiping music. But, maybe they did, and decided you deserved a far better life.

When you see your son today, your looking at the future menace to our society.

[Inspector]

When I was 12 I watched the Dick Van Dyke show on TV.

I found myself wanting to live in New Rochelle and I didn't even know why.

To this day I believe I was ultimately changed by this experience and still have visions of Mary Tyler Moore prancing around in those tight slacks.

Therapy is helping.

[Pants]

Which example is more likely to promote future violence and a menace to society.

If you're a good parent - neither.

[J Diddy]

Halfcan, you answered your own question.

You were shielded from violence and hard rock music, yet you allow your own kid to experience them.

I doubt your parents grew up on media promoting violence and devil-worshiping music. But, maybe they did, and decided you deserved a far better life.

When you see your son today, your looking at the future menace to our society.


Pardon me.

That's a frigging load of shit.

If you're a good parent then the video games don't raise your kids. I have yet, out of 4 children, to see grab a bat or a chain and start betting the crap out of someone cause the played it on a game. If you have taught your kids right from wrong that won't happen.

[Saulbadguy]

I know people that won't let their kids watch Harry Potter.

[chagrin]

It begins and ends with their parents