The OFFICIAL UFC 61 Bitter Rivals thread

[Immaculate]

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Gilbert Aldana http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Gilbert_Aldana2.JPG vs. Cheick Kongo http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/kango2004_profile.jpg

My pick: Alanda. He has tons of heart as was shown in his fight with Paul Beuntello. [b]I'm taking Alada by 2nd round KO.[/b

[Immaculate]

Jeff Monson http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Jeff_Monsen_profile2.JPG vs. Anthony Perosh

My pick: Monson. Both really good grapplers, But Perosh isn't very active at all. Both BJJ black-belts, So this could be a snoozer. Monson by UD.

[Immaculate]

Josh Burkman http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Josh_Burkmann2.JPG vs. Josh"The Dentist"Neer http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Josh2.JPG

My pick: Neer. He has more experience, Fought better opponents. And trains with a better camp. Neer by 2nd round submission.

[Immaculate]

Hermes Franca http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Hermes_Franca2_profile.JPG vs. Joe Jordan http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Joe_Jordan2.JPG

My pick: Franca. Jordan had to take this fight on short notice. Franca is one of the best @155lbs. Franca 2nd round submission.

[Immaculate]

Dan "The Sandman" Christison http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Christison2.JPG Vs. Frank Mir http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Frank_Mir.jpg

My pick: Dan. He's a huge monster, With alot of talent. frank isn't the same fighter as he used to be. Dan KO 1st round.

[Immaculate]

Yves Edwards http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Edwards2.JPG Vs. Joe Stevenson http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Joe_Stevenson2_profile.JPG

My pick: Edwards. With his takedown/Sub defene. I don't think Joe has much of a chance. Yves Unanimous Decision.

[Immaculate]

Tito Ortiz http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/ortiz_profile.jpg Vs. Ken Shamrock http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/shamrock_profile.jpg

My pick: Tito. I shouldn't even have to give a reason for this one. Tito ref stoppage 3rd round.

[Immaculate]

Tim "The Maine-Iac" Sylvia http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/sylvia_profile.jpg Vs. Andrei "The Pitbull" Arlovski http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Arlovski2.JPG

My pick: The Pitbull. Andrei will take his time, not make another stupid mistake like he did in the last fight. Arlovski TKO 2nd round.

[58-4ever]

What about the heavyweight title?

[58-4ever]

I guess you were getting there.

[Immaculate]

I guess you were getting there.

Yup. :clap:

[Immaculate]

Ken Shamrock UFC 61 Pre Fight Interview


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=2896

[Immaculate]

Tim Sylvia UFC 61 Pre Fight Interview

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=2878

[Immaculate]

Andrei Arlovski UFC 61 Pre Fight Interview

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=2877

[KC_John]

Ill be watching this Saturday as well..I look for AA to get the belt back and for Tito to brutally defeat Slamcock err Shamrock. Monson, Mir, Yves,Neer I think should win. If Mir loses, his career is done and prolly end up in the announcing booth somewhere. I look for Tito to call out Sobral and Chuck after he wins demanding a title shot after there fight. IF Tim wins I hope he doesnt humiliate himself again and call out Fedor HAHAHAHAH. "Bring on Fedor! " Tim would piss himself if he seen Fedor walk to the ring! Sorry i got off track, but it always makes me LOL.

[Bill Lundberg]

The Neer vs. Burkman fight will be the fight of the night.
The Dentist by ref stoppage!!

[Immaculate]

The Neer vs. Burkman fight will be the fight of the night.
The Dentist by ref stoppage!!

Somehow I doubt that. I hope it's a good fight none the less.

[BIG_DADDY]

Anyone see the last Pride Critical Countdown this last weekend? Awesome. Watching Wanderlei take down Fujita was special indeed.

[Iowanian]

I'm glad to see that Neer didn't hurt his knee afterall in the last fight.

[Redcoats58]

Anyone know if the fight is being shown anywhere in the KC MO area? For a charge or not? I would love to watch this.

[Eleazar]

Anyone know if the fight is being shown anywhere in the KC MO area? For a charge or not? I would love to watch this.

Time warner will have it on PPV. I think just about any other provider will have it available.



As for the fights, I am on Andrei's side, but both his fights with sylvia have been less than 1 round. It's just a powderkeg type of fight that could go either way.

I don't know how well Shamrock is going to hold up. I thought Gracie could handle his opponent last time but he got embarrassed.

[Sully]

I'm ordering it PPV on Comcast.

[Bill Lundberg]

Somehow I doubt that. I hope it's a good fight none the less.

You doubt that it will be the fight of the night or that Neer will win by ref stoppage? Obviously I'm biased because I know Neer, but I still think it will be a great fight and that he will come out victorious.

[Eleazar]

Go Andrei -

"I must break you."

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~jfrancis/rocky.jpg

[Immaculate]

You doubt that it will be the fight of the night or that Neer will win by ref stoppage? Obviously I'm biased because I know Neer, but I still think it will be a great fight and that he will come out victorious.

I doubt it will be fight of the night. I think that will go to Sylvia/Arlovski, Or Stevenson/Edwards.

[Immaculate]

UFC 61:BITTER RIVALS Weigh In


http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=2909

[Fishpicker]

Anyone see the last Pride Critical Countdown this last weekend? Awesome. Watching Wanderlei take down Fujita was special indeed.

I held off on that one. I dont know why really. it's the first prideFC that I have missed since they began showing it on PPV. how would you rate the card?

[GoTrav]

I doubt it will be fight of the night. I think that will go to Sylvia/Arlovski, Or Stevenson/Edwards.

I'll be watching as well.

I'm really torn between Sylvia/Arlovski. Sylvia is no push over and could end the fight and just about any minute. I'm pulling for Arlovski but my gut is telling me Sylvia to win in a similar fashion as their last match.

But I'm looking forward to Tito stomping a mudhole in Shamrock's as$. I don't see that one getting out of the 1st.

[Immaculate]

Tonight mother ****ers!!

[HC_Chief]

Anyone see the last Pride Critical Countdown this last weekend? Awesome. Watching Wanderlei take down Fujita was special indeed.

Wanderlei Silva is the #&$^ing MAN! :thumb:

[Halfcan]

When do the fights start?

Someone please post the results.

[Iowanian]

I'm debating about buying it...

Last time, I caught most of the fights on youtube and google video soon after....and before they took them down.

I'm wondering if that will be an option again...

[ArrowheadHawk]

all i gotta say is keep f'ng doubting shamrock......he will break one of tito's chicken legs (seriously has anyone else noticed how small his legs are?)

[Bowser]

I know very little about UFC. What's the deal between Shamrock and Ortiz? And is Shamrock a big puss? Seems like the people in the know don't like him or his chances very much.

[Iowanian]

I was always a shamrock fan....he's kind of like the Skiptowne of ufc....if skip had been an original champion of Chiefsplanet....Tito is pretty cocky and had some blatant disrespect for one of shamrocks fighters and then shamrock.

Tito beat his ass like a rented mule last time...and probably will again.

Originally, shamrock was a bad, bad man....I think he's just getting old, and the MMA has kind of passed his skills a little.

[ArrowheadHawk]

I know very little about UFC. What's the deal between Shamrock and Ortiz? And is Shamrock a big puss? Seems like the people in the know don't like him or his chances very much.
back in the day when tito was fighting someone out of the same camp as shamrock he donned a t shirt that said ** is my bitch, ** being the fighter on shamrocks team. shamrock thought that was disrespectful.
shamrock is a lot older than tito also, shamrock will be in the ufc hall of fame

[TrickyNicky]

His moniker, The World's Most Dangerous Man, should have circa 1994 added to the end of it.

[Immaculate]

Wanderlei Silva is the #&$^ing MAN!

Until he has to step in the ring with The Iceman.

[Immaculate]

all i gotta say is keep f'ng doubting shamrock......he will break one of tito's chicken legs (seriously has anyone else noticed how small his legs are?)


ROFL ROFL He got his ass handed to him in a 1:18. Foot in mouth?

[Bill Lundberg]

I thought Neer fought just ok, he seemed to have the fire, he just didn't act on it as often as Burkman. I thought the decision was correct. One thing is for sure, Neer will be back and will work twice as hard for his next fight

[Ultra Peanut]

TEST YOUR MIGHT

[Immaculate]

I thought Neer fought just ok, he seemed to have the fire, he just didn't act on it as often as Burkman. I thought the decision was correct. One thing is for sure, Neer will be back and will work twice as hard for his next fight

He needs to start changing levels, And use head movement more. I've never seen someone stick their chin out that much since the first time I saw Arona fight.

[ArrowheadHawk]

ROFL ROFL He got his ass handed to him in a 1:18. Foot in mouth?
BS ref stoppage in my opinion

[BIG_DADDY]

I thought Neer fought just ok, he seemed to have the fire, he just didn't act on it as often as Burkman. I thought the decision was correct. One thing is for sure, Neer will be back and will work twice as hard for his next fight

I like Neer. Burkman is a developing talent.

[Immaculate]

BS ref stoppage in my opinion

You would have seen Shamrock carried out if it went another 5 seconds.

[ArrowheadHawk]

You would have seen Shamrock carried out if it went another 5 seconds.
at least then i would have known for sure who won......as of right now i think it was stopped too early......in the stevensen fight the guy was gushing from his skull and they didn't stop that....they should let big john ref them all....**** herb dean

[Immaculate]

at least then i would have known for sure who won......as of right now i think it was stopped too early......in the stevensen fight the guy was gushing from his skull and they didn't stop that....they should let big john ref them all....**** herb dean

He trains in Overland Park. If you want you can go tell him that.

Shamrock should send him a dozen roses and a thank you card.

[ArrowheadHawk]

He trains in Overland Park. If you want you can go tell him that.

TITO should send him a dozen roses and a thank you card.
i fixed your post

[BIG_DADDY]

at least then i would have known for sure who won......as of right now i think it was stopped too early......in the stevensen fight the guy was gushing from his skull and they didn't stop that....they should let big john ref them all....**** herb dean

I liked Tito's line before the fight. "Now he wants to compare himself to Randy Couture? Wake the **** up dude"

[Immaculate]

i fixed your post

I just don't see how people still think Shamrock is even deserving to be in the UFC. MMA has obviously passed him by. He's a prick, And would get wrecked by B level guys nowadays. He was never the best, Never close. Is it because of his pro wrestling stint?

Tito could fight Ken 100 times, And he's going to win 99 of them. It's not even sporting how bad Tito has beaten Ken two times now.

I guess some people are just delusional.

[Immaculate]

I liked Tito's line before the fight. "Now he wants to compare himself to Randy Couture? Wake the **** up dude"

For sure. Those two don't belong in the sane scentence.

[ArrowheadHawk]

the guy is a legend and in the UFC Hall of Fame

UFC HISTORY

UFC 1: The Beginning (11/12/93) He defeated his first opponent, kickboxer Pat Smith, very quickly with a heel hook submission. In the second round, Shamrock lost to eventual champion Royce Gracie by choke.

UFC 3: The American Dream (9/09/94) Shamrock returned to go after the title and Gracie. He won his first round bout against Christophe Leininger by submission due to strikes. In the semifinals, Shamrock defeated Felix Mitchell by submission due to a choke. But, he suffered a hand injury and had to bow out of the final bout.

UFC 5: Return Of The Beast (04/07/95) Shamrock got his rematch with Gracie in the first ever super fight. The bout lasted over 35 minutes and was declared a draw. Most agree if there had been judges, Shamrock would have been declared the winner.

UFC 6: Clash Of The Titans (7/14/95) Shamrock faced Dan "The Beast" Severn for the Super Fight Championship. He defeated him by submission with a guillotine choke just 2:14 into the contest. Shamrock was crowned the first UFC Super Fight Champion.

UFC 7: The Brawl In Buffalo (9/8/95) His opponent was a one-time training partner, "The Russian Bear" Oleg Taktarov. The fight was declared a draw after 33 minutes and Shamrock retained the title.

UFC 8: David vs. Goliath (2/16/96) Shamrock successfully defended his Super Fight Championship by defeating Kimo by submission due to knee bar. Shamrock worked quickly again, winning in just over four minutes.

UFC 9: Motor City Madness (5/17/96) Shamrock granted Dan Severn a rematch. After 30 minutes in a slow, mostly stand-up fight, Severn was awarded the decision.

Shamrock returned on December 7, 1996, to compete in another 8-man tournament at Ultimate Ultimate, a year-end showcase of champions in Birmingham, Alabama. Shamrock squared off with Brian Johnston in the first round and controlled the fight, pushing Johnston against the cage and punishing him with strikes. After five minutes, Shamrock forced Johnston to submit due to a choke. Unfortunately, he suffered a broken hand and could not advance to face Tank Abbott in the next round.

After Ultimate Ultimate, Shamrock joined the World Wrestling Federation in February 1997 and astounded many wrestling insiders with his transition from Mixed Martial Arts fighting to wrestling. He was voted 1997's "Rookie of the Year" by World Wrestling Federation Magazine and went on to win the King of the Ring and the Intercontinental Championship before leaving the WWF in 2000 and returning to mixed martial arts fighting in Japan.

Throughout his WWF career, Shamrock continued to train and coach UFC fighters. At UFC 19: Young Guns, January 8, 1999, in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi, one of his students, Guy Mezger, fought newcomer Tito Ortiz. After Mezger lost, Shamrock felt Ortiz' post-fight behavior was disrespectful of him and his camp. Shamrock and Ortiz exchanged words and had to be separated. The feud has been boiling ever since.

UFC 40: Vendetta (11/22/02), Shamrock returned to the UFC to settle the score with Tito Ortiz. Shamrock laid it all on the line and threw everything he had at Ortiz. He showed tremendous heart and tenacity. However, after the third round, Shamrock's corner decided he had had enough and threw in the towel. Shamrock walked across the ring and gave Ortiz his respect as he raised his hand and exclaimed him the best fighter in the world.

UFC 48: Payback (6/19/04) Shamrock defeated Kimo Leopoldo by KO (Knee) at 1:26 of the first round.

The Ultimate Fighter Finale (4/9/05) Shamrock lost to Rich Franklin by TKO (Strikes) at 2:44 of the first round.

[Immaculate]

He's a bum. I know blue belts that would wreck him.

[ArrowheadHawk]

For sure. Those two don't belong in the sane scentence.
the ufc thinks you are wrong

UFC Hall Of Fame Inductees:
Last Name First Name
Couture Randy
Gracie Royce
Severn Dan
Shamrock Ken

[KC Kings]

at least then i would have known for sure who won......as of right now i think it was stopped too early......in the stevensen fight the guy was gushing from his skull and they didn't stop that....they should let big john ref them all....**** herb dean

The last time I saw Ken fight, it was against the big Japanese guy in a Pride match. Ken couldn't knock the guy down, was getting his tail handed to him, and he motions over to the corner to have his guys throw in the the towel.

The last time Ken fought Tito, Ken couldn't knock him down and was getting his tail handed to him. Ken's corner threw in the towel.

This time when Ken was fighting Tito, Tito threw him to the ground and knocked him limp with a hard elbow. The ref stopped the fight 5 or 6 hits prior to Shamrocks corner throwing in the towel.

Screw Ken Shamrock. None of those old guys can compete against the true MMA crowd. I used to like Ken and hate Tito. After all of Ken's towel throwing and watching Ultimate Fighter 3, I now find myself supporting Tito and hating Ken. Shamrock's arms were down, the elbows were flying, and the ref saved Ken a ton on his insurance.

[Immaculate]

The guy has lost 6 out of his last 8 fights. He lost them all convincingly. I think the most delusional Slamcock fan is Ken himself. He needs to hang it up. Trainning fighters as well.

I could coach fighters better than he did on TUF. It just upsets me that the sport is finally becoming legit, And we still have hangers-on like Ken. He klnows he doesn't have it anymore, the rest of the world knows it as well. I hope I never have to see this guy waste a spot for a more deserving fighter to get thier shot at the big time.

[BIG_DADDY]

I guess some people are just delusional.

The odds makers weren't. Shamrock should have worked on Jiu-Jitsu long ago instead of wasting unlimited time on ground and pound. He is still in denial. Ultimate Fighter proved that. I agree Shamrock is just too old and not rounded enough at this stage to really compete at this level

[Immaculate]

the ufc thinks you are wrong

UFC Hall Of Fame Inductees:
Last Name First Name
Couture Randy
Gracie Royce
Severn Dan
Shamrock Ken

He earned his stripes I guess back in the day. But barring Severn, He is the least deserving Hall of famer. Royce tooled him.

[BIG_DADDY]

The last time I saw Ken fight, it was against the big Japanese guy in a Pride match. Ken couldn't knock the guy down, was getting his tail handed to him, and he motions over to the corner to have his guys throw in the the towel.

The last time Ken fought Tito, Ken couldn't knock him down and was getting his tail handed to him. Ken's corner threw in the towel.

This time when Ken was fighting Tito, Tito threw him to the ground and knocked him limp with a hard elbow. The ref stopped the fight 5 or 6 hits prior to Shamrocks corner throwing in the towel.

Screw Ken Shamrock. None of those old guys can compete against the true MMA crowd. I used to like Ken and hate Tito. After all of Ken's towel throwing and watching Ultimate Fighter 3, I now find myself supporting Tito and hating Ken. Shamrock's arms were down, the elbows were flying, and the ref saved Ken a ton on his insurance.

Lets not get carried away, Couture did one hell of a job.

[HC_Chief]

UFC Hall Of Fame Inductees:
Last Name First Name
Couture Randy -- Freak of nature; excellent MMA
Gracie Royce -- Impecible JJ technique
Severn Dan -- the "Brawny Man" (seriously, dude looks like the paper towel mascot. Used sheer size & strength to overpower all of his opponents... all, that is, until he met Royce Gracie ;)
Shamrock Ken -- was a bad G&P fighter in the <I><b>early</i></b> UFC days. The MMA world has passed him by so fast he's left spinning.

[Immaculate]

UFC Hall Of Fame Inductees:
Last Name First Name
Couture Randy -- Freak of nature; excellent MMA
Gracie Royce -- Impecible JJ technique
Severn Dan -- the "Brawny Man" (seriously, dude looks like the paper towel mascot. Used sheer size & strength to overpower all of his opponents... all, that is, until he met Royce Gracie ;)
Shamrock Ken -- was a bad G&P fighter in the <I><b>early</i></b> UFC days. The MMA world has passed him by so fast he's left spinning.


What about Oleg? Tank? Bas? There re more HOF'ers than that.

[BIG_DADDY]

What about Oleg? Tank? Bas? There re more HOF'ers than that.

Did Bas even fight in the UFC? Tank isn't HOF material IMO. Oleg eh :shrug: I liked him but I am not sure he is HOF material either.

[Immaculate]

Did Bas even fight in the UFC? Tank isn't HOF material IMO. Oleg eh :shrug: I liked him but I am not sure he is HOF material either.

Are you serious? He was HW champion. You don't remeber him knocking TK silly in overtime of thier fight? Or him beating Randleman?

[HC_Chief]

What about Oleg? Tank? Bas? There re more HOF'ers than that.

Just expounding on ArrowheadHawk's list.

Tank doesn't deserve to be in the HoF.

[Immaculate]

And Oleg is a bad, bad man! One of the toughest guys to ever fight.

[BIG_DADDY]

Are you serious? He was HW champion. You don't remeber him knocking TK silly in overtime of thier fight? Or him beating Randleman?

No. Somehow I missed that.

[Immaculate]

One of the best KO's ever!

[Immaculate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2_3toN_Zms&search=Bas%20Rutten

[BIG_DADDY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2_3toN_Zms&search=Bas%20Rutten

cool, thanks for looking that up.

[Immaculate]

cool, thanks for looking that up.
That's what I'm here for. :shrug:

[BIG_DADDY]

That's what I'm here for. :shrug:

Tank had plenty of fights but never had enough skill IMO. He probably has the best chance of the 3 of getting in.

Taktarov was mean as hell. Fun to watch too going for those leg submissions. I know he had a few fights in the UFC but I wonder if it will be enough to get him in.

Bas probably didn't have enough fights to qualify I would think. Bas is an easy guy to like.

[ArrowheadHawk]

What about Oleg? Tank? Bas? There re more HOF'ers than that.
i pulled that list from this website

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.HallOfFame

nobody else is listed

[Immaculate]

i pulled that list from this website

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.HallOfFame

nobody else is listed


Hmm intresting. I distinctly remember the event when they brought a bunch of fighters into the octagon to induct them into the Hall of fame.

Oleg, Pat Miletich, Tank, and quite a few others.

[HC_Chief]

Hmm intresting. I distinctly remember the event when they brought a bunch of fighters into the octagon to induct them into the Hall of fame.

Oleg, Pat Miletich, Tank, and quite a few others.

Miletich definitely deserves to be in the HoF! His camp is dominant.

[BIG_DADDY]

Miletich definitely deserves to be in the HoF! His camp is dominant.
I agree