K State Basketball to get National TV Games

[HemiEd]

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/15077617.htm


K-State gets TV games
Eagle staff
K-STATE SCHEDULE
Bob Huggins' impact on Kansas State basketball was shown Wednesday in the release of the Wildcats' basketball schedule for next season -- two national appearances on ABC, two on ESPN's "Big Monday."

K-State hasn't been on ABC in 20 years and on "Big Monday" since 2002.

Home dates against Texas Tech on Jan. 8 and Kansas on Feb. 19 will be the "Big Monday" games. K-State is on ABC on Feb. 3 at Texas at 2:30 p.m. The other ABC game is March 3, when the Wildcats host Oklahoma at 2:30 p.m.

"We are obviously excited about the exposure all these television opportunities give our program," Huggins said in a statement. "I think every kid in America wants to see their team showcased on national television for their family and friends back home."

The season opens Nov. 11 against William & Mary. One nonconference game will be added to the schedule.

Nearly 10,000 public and student season tickets have been ordered.

[Braincase]

"We are obviously excited about the exposure..."

The Emperor showing off his new clothes on national TV. W00t!

[Saulbadguy]

Big Monday: K-State vs Texas Tech. Can't wait!

[HemiEd]

I would say their motivation is Huggins vs Bobby Knight, wouldn't you? I see no other reason for the TT selection.

[DJJasonp]

The streak continues February 19th (on Natl TV no less!) :)

[Saulbadguy]

The streak continues February 19th (on Natl TV no less!) :)
"The streak" is already over. :)

[ROYC75]

WOW, KSU on national TV now because of a coach,the team hasn't done anything yet, what are they going to do next ? This is BIG TIME news for them,really it is, did they pay the networks off ?

Next thing ya know, KSU will claim they were the one's responsible for the cow jumping over the moon, which of course came from their farm research program .


Just having a little fun here Kittens, don't go meowing around about the spilt milk, OK. ;)

[ROYC75]

"The streak" is already over. :)


Not your home losing streak ............ :)

[Saulbadguy]

WOW, KSU on national TV now because of a coach,the team hasn't done anything yet, what are they going to do next ? This is BIG TIME news for them,really it is, did they pay the networks off ?

Next thing ya know, KSU will claim they were the one's responsible for the cow jumping over the moon, which of course came from their farm research program .


Just having a little fun here Kittens, don't go meowing around about the spilt milk, OK. ;)
He's already sold over 3,000 new season tickets. He's gotten the entire athletic department a Nike deal worth 8 figures. He's gotten us more TV appearances, and a much better recruiting class than we are used to.

All without coaching a game in Manhattan. Not bad, eh?

[Saulbadguy]

Not your home losing streak ............ :)
I know. That is not "the" streak. That is just another shitty streak we have that I am looking forward to seeing broken.

[CoMoChief]

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/15077617.htm


K-State gets TV games
Eagle staff
K-STATE SCHEDULE
Bob Huggins' impact on Kansas State basketball was shown Wednesday in the release of the Wildcats' basketball schedule for next season -- two national appearances on ABC, two on ESPN's "Big Monday."

K-State hasn't been on ABC in 20 years and on "Big Monday" since 2002.

Home dates against Texas Tech on Jan. 8 and Kansas on Feb. 19 will be the "Big Monday" games. K-State is on ABC on Feb. 3 at Texas at 2:30 p.m. The other ABC game is March 3, when the Wildcats host Oklahoma at 2:30 p.m.

"We are obviously excited about the exposure all these television opportunities give our program," Huggins said in a statement. "I think every kid in America wants to see their team showcased on national television for their family and friends back home."

The season opens Nov. 11 against William & Mary. One nonconference game will be added to the schedule.

Nearly 10,000 public and student season tickets have been ordered.


OMG!!!!! Start reserving tix to the Final 4 KSU fans.

[CoMoChief]

He's already sold over 3,000 new season tickets. He's gotten the entire athletic department a Nike deal worth 8 figures. He's gotten us more TV appearances, and a much better recruiting class than we are used to.

All without coaching a game in Manhattan. Not bad, eh?


Whenever you get a high profiled coach, these things will take place. Welcome to the Big Boys club KSU.

[Saulbadguy]

Whenever you get a high profiled coach, these things will take place. Welcome to the Big Boys club KSU.
Thanks. We are happy to be here!

[ROYC75]

He's already sold over 3,000 new season tickets. He's gotten the entire athletic department a Nike deal worth 8 figures. He's gotten us more TV appearances, and a much better recruiting class than we are used to.

All without coaching a game in Manhattan. Not bad, eh?

I told you long ago it is a step in the right direction, something you kittens have needed for a long time.

The wins will come soon as well, just because of coaching alone, the talent will follow.

But you will still be # 2 , err , is that # 3 in the state of Ks. ? # 1 is locked up in college basketball and to the end of the yellow brick road is is rather a long and winding road that takes time to travel. Huggins is not going to walk right in and change that overnight.

[Saulbadguy]

I told you long ago it is a step in the right direction, something you kittens have needed for a long time.

The wins will come soon as well, just because of coaching alone, the talent will follow.

But you will still be # 2 , err , is that # 3 in the state of Ks. ? # 1 is locked up in college basketball and to the end of the yellow brick road is is rather a long and winding road that takes time to travel. Huggins is not going to walk right in and change that overnight.
Of course not. However, that is not our main concern. That is for you guys to worry about, not us. The main concern is making the NCAA tournament consistently. After that...everything else is just icing on the cake.

[CoMoChief]

Of course not. However, that is not our main concern. That is for you guys to worry about, not us. The main concern is making the NCAA tournament consistently. After that...everything else is just icing on the cake.


Dont set the expectations of a first year head coach too high. But I think you know that there will be bumps in the road.

[HemiEd]

Of course not. However, that is not our main concern. That is for you guys to worry about, not us. The main concern is making the NCAA tournament consistently. After that...everything else is just icing on the cake.

Exactly, I would love to see what happened in 1981 become a regular occurance. All three teams in the "Sweet 16."

[ChiefaRoo]

Thanks. We are happy to be here!


Saul, Saul, Saul, your delusional as usual. KSU hasn't joined the big boy ranks. You guys didn't even make the NIT last year. Here's what has happened. KSU signed a coach with a name and he got the kitties on TV. All it means is your new Coach and team with it's new Freshmen will be kicking the ball around on national TV. Mark this thread for future reference KSU will finish in the lower part if not the bottom of the Big 12 next year and KSU wins 16 to 17 games max and maybe makes the NIT based on the Freshmen and Huggy (Jabba) dropping some hundies in a plain envelope to the selection committee.

By the way when will you be starting the Ron Prince/KSU national title thread?

WSU will spank KSU if they play in LV

[WilliamTheIrish]

Saul, Saul, Saul, your delusional as usual. KSU hasn't joined the big boy ranks. You guys didn't even make the NIT last year. Here's what has happened. KSU signed a coach with a name and he got the kitties on TV. All it means is your new Coach and team with it's new Freshmen will be kicking the ball around on national TV. Mark this thread for future reference KSU will finish in the lower part if not the bottom of the Big 12 next year and KSU wins 16 to 17 games max and maybe makes the NIT based on the Freshmen and Huggy (Jabba) dropping some hundies in a plain envelope to the selection committee.

By the way when will you be starting the Ron Prince/KSU national title thread?

WSU will spank KSU if they play in LV


Quoted for posterity... and the author's stupidity.

A few hundies?? That's gold!!

[ChiefaRoo]

Quoted for posterity... and the author's stupidity.

A few hundies?? That's gold!!


Drink the Purple Koolaid Will. Heck pour me a glass too and I'll head up for some KSU football this fall. I might even wear purple if your buying the beer. However, when it comes to basketball forget it.

[WilliamTheIrish]

However, when it comes to basketball forget it.

Why? Why can't Huggins bring winning Bball to KSU?

He's been a winner everwhere. I'm anxious to hear your argument.

[ChiefaRoo]

Why? Why can't Huggins bring winning Bball to KSU?

He's been a winner everwhere. I'm anxious to hear your argument.


You misunderstand. He probably will bring a new level of success to KSU but what does that mean? I don't think it's going to happen next year (too young, team won't mesh until after Christmas and then has to face the Big 12 schedule). Long term winning the Big 12 probably won't happen though as Huggy will find it harder to bring in recruits now that his "365 a day recruiting party freeroll" is over. KU, OU, TX will make it extremely hard for KSU to win a title and therefore it will hurt recruiting in the long term. Just ask Mizzou and Bobby Knight about that.

Bottom line it is going to take years and years of incredibly hard work to bring KSU up to the level of the elite in the Big 12 and the country IMO and it's possible Huggy doesn't want to work that hard anymore as he's a lot older than he used to be. I mean, look at Bobby Knight his recruits have backslid the TT program after he initially added to it. Knight does not attend Juco and HS games like he used to and it's showed. I think the same might happen with Huggy.

Should be fun to watch it all on the court though. Good luck.

By the way I don't really think Huggy is crooked. He's just a hard as nails guy who manipulates and pushes his own personal agenda first. Weiser has his hands full.

He drinks a lot in public too so he's not squeeky clean like say Mark Turgeon is. By chance I ran into him in the VIP bar at Grand Casino in Tunica, Mississippi the weekend before it was announced that Cincy was going to fire him. He was friendly, loose and interesting to talk too and he had 4 stolis in the hour I spoke to him while he was wearing a Cincy Bearcats sweater. Not very collegiate in my opinion but it's his right to tie one on so I'll leave it to each individual here to make their own judgment.

[Saulbadguy]

Dont set the expectations of a first year head coach too high. But I think you know that there will be bumps in the road.
I agree. It will take a couple years, but I think the returning group of players + new players is capable of getting to the NCAAs.

[Saulbadguy]

Saul, Saul, Saul, your delusional as usual. KSU hasn't joined the big boy ranks. You guys didn't even make the NIT last year. Here's what has happened. KSU signed a coach with a name and he got the kitties on TV. All it means is your new Coach and team with it's new Freshmen will be kicking the ball around on national TV. Mark this thread for future reference KSU will finish in the lower part if not the bottom of the Big 12 next year and KSU wins 16 to 17 games max and maybe makes the NIT based on the Freshmen and Huggy (Jabba) dropping some hundies in a plain envelope to the selection committee.

By the way when will you be starting the Ron Prince/KSU national title thread?

WSU will spank KSU if they play in LV
Neither has WSU. Making the Sweet Sixteen once every 20 years does not mean you are "joining the ranks".

[WilliamTheIrish]

You misunderstand. He probably will bring a new level of success to KSU but what does that mean? I don't think it's going to happen next year (too young, team won't mesh until after Christmas and then has to face the Big 12 schedule). Long term winning the Big 12 probably won't happen though as Huggy will find it harder to bring in recruits now that his "365 a day recruiting party freeroll" is over. KU, OU, TX will make it extremely hard for KSU to win a title and therefore it will hurt recruiting in the long term. Just ask Mizzou and Bobby Knight about that.

Bottom line it is going to take years and years of incredibly hard work to bring KSU up to the level of the elite in the Big 12 and the country IMO and it's possible Huggy doesn't want to work that hard anymore as he's a lot older than he used to be. I mean, look at Bobby Knight his recruits have backslid the TT program after he initially added to it. Knight does not attend Juco and HS games like he used to and it's showed. I think the same might happen with Huggy.

Should be fun to watch it all on the court though. Good luck.

By the way I don't really think Huggy is crooked. He's just a hard as nails guy who manipulates and pushes his own personal agenda first. Weiser has his hands full.

He drinks a lot in public too so he's not squeeky clean like say Mark Turgeon is. By chance I ran into him in the VIP bar at Grand Casino in Tunica, Mississippi the weekend before it was announced that Cincy was going to fire him. He was friendly, loose and interesting to talk too and he had 4 stolis in the hour I spoke to him while he was wearing a Cincy Bearcats sweater. Not very collegiate in my opinion but it's his right to tie on so I'll leave it to each individual here to make their own judgment.

Great post.

1) I don't think Huggins is here for a payday. The guy has millions.


2)I'll disagree with the Huggins isn't willing to work hard. And I think it's easier to build a top notch program than you may think. The Big 12 is not a power conference in Bball. Hell,Gillespie went to aTm and in two years had them finishing 4th. Unlike power conference football, where you actually have to win the title to participate in the big payday bowls, in Bball they take the top 4 in the conference. Sometimes the top 6.
Yes the conference titles are great, but when was the last time a Big 6/ 7/ 8/12 conference champ won the NCAA title. IN 88 KU finished 5th.
So, it's getting that counts. That's all Huggins has to do.

3))And he still likes to hit the sauce. He frequents the watering holes in Manhattan.

Turgeon squeaky clean? That's funny. He's got lot's of folks hoodwinked. But he studied under Roy, and Turg learned that "Aww, shucks.. the kids. It's all about kids... shucks, I'm just along for the ride..."

We'll get to continue this soon enough.

[ChiefaRoo]

Neither has WSU. Making the Sweet Sixteen once every 20 years does not mean you are "joining the ranks".


WSU will be better next year Saul.

[Saulbadguy]

WSU will be better next year Saul.
We'll see. Both teams return alot. They might not even play if K-State can't beat USC, or WSU can't beat UNM.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Dont set the expectations of a first year head coach too high. But I think you know that there will be bumps in the road.

Yes. By all means have low expectations. Because low expectations get you ..... umm... what exactly do low expectations get you? I'll tell you what low expectations get you. No NCAA in 10 years. A 20 year home losing streak to your in state.. hell I can barely call the Jhoax a rival. It gets a road record of 4-70 since the inception of the Big 12.

That's what low expectations get you.

And don't try to tell that low expectation crap to aTm coach Gillespie.

[arrowheadnation]

too young, team won't mesh until after Christmas and then has to face the Big 12 schedule
They may not have to do much to win early in the season (maybe just show up...William and Mary will be a tuffy though). I don't know if you've seen the rest of the schedule yet, but the non-con schedule equates to that of a 3rd grade biddy ball tournament. There are some schools on the schedule that I didn't even know existed (Chicago State, Cleveland State, Kennesaw (Ga.) State, and the second coming of the old unstoppable UCLA teams....Maryland-Eastern Shore).

[ChiefaRoo]

Great post.

1) I don't think Huggins is here for a payday. The guy has millions.


2)I'll disagree with the Huggins isn't willing to work hard. And I think it's easier to build a top notch program than you may think. The Big 12 is not a power conference in Bball. Hell,Gillespie went to aTm and in two years had them finishing 4th. Unlike power conference football, where you actually have to win the title to participate in the big payday bowls, in Bball they take the top 4 in the conference. Sometimes the top 6.
Yes the conference titles are great, but when was the last time a Big 6/ 7/ 8/12 conference champ won the NCAA title. IN 88 KU finished 5th.
So, it's getting that counts. That's all Huggins has to do.

3))And he still likes to hit the sauce. He frequents the watering holes in Manhattan.

Turgeon squeaky clean? That's funny. He's got lot's of folks hoodwinked. But he studied under Roy, and Turg learned that "Aww, shucks.. the kids. It's all about kids... shucks, I'm just along for the ride..."

We'll get to continue this soon enough.



Come on Will, Turg. is a boyscout from Topeka which is not to say he's not tough as nails but he's an honorable guy. I'll also tell you it has just about taxed him to the max. to bring WSU back and he's a lot younger and is hungrier than Huggy. Your right it may not be necessary for KSU to win a title to get to the NCAA's but I assume that KSU and Huggy want a national title and you have to win the Big12 to have a realistic shot at that although anything is possible.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Come on Will, Turg. is a boyscout from Topeka which is not to say he's not tough as nails but he's an honorable guy. I'll also tell you it has just about taxed him to the max. to bring WSU back and he's a lot younger and is hungrier than Huggy. Your right it may not be necessary for KSU to win a title to get to the NCAA's but I assume that KSU and Huggy want a national title and you have to win the Big12 to have a realistic shot at that although anything is possible.

Turg a boyscout? ROFL

I went to the same schools as him. Grade school on up. Still see him when he returns home. But enough about that.

I don't think you need a conference title to win it all. It helps. Gets that higher seed. But for the most part, if you have the players (George Mason) or ONE player (KU 88) and play your ass off for 5 games, you can make it.

That's what I believe.

[ChiefaRoo]

Turg a boyscout? ROFL

I went to the same schools as him. Grade school on up. Still see him when he returns home. But enough about that.

I don't think you need a conference title to win it all. It helps. Gets that higher seed. But for the most part, if you have the players (George Mason) or ONE player (KU 88) and play your ass off for 5 games, you can make it.

That's what I believe.

I love Turg. and what he's done for WSU. That being said you have to at least admit that he does have the haircut of a boyscout :)

[Saulbadguy]

They may not have to do much to win early in the season (maybe just show up...William and Mary will be a tuffy though). I don't know if you've seen the rest of the schedule yet, but the non-con schedule equates to that of a 3rd grade biddy ball tournament. There are some schools on the schedule that I didn't even know existed (Chicago State, Cleveland State, Kennesaw (Ga.) State, and the second coming of the old unstoppable UCLA teams....Maryland-Eastern Shore).
The schedule isn't as bad as Woolys last 2 years. He didn't have alot of time to put them together, either.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I just read the comments section after the article: ROFL

What a joke. K-State has done nothing but hire a dirty coach and they get two Big Monday games. WSU goes to the sweet sixteen and will only be on ESPNU.

Posted by: Kevin

[Saulbadguy]

Owned.

[ChiefaRoo]

Owned.


Please. Just because Billy Packer wants to see the Big 12 over the MVC doesn't mean KSU has arrived.


PS - I know he works for CBS not ESPN I'm using him as a metaphor for the big media.

[Saulbadguy]

Please. Just because Billy Packer wants to see the Big 12 over the MVC doesn't mean KSU has arrived.
It's pretty funny though.

BTW, when are you going to run back to shockernet saying "Help, help! I can't handle all these meanies!"?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Please. Just because Billy Packer wants to see the Big 12 over the MVC doesn't mean KSU has arrived.


PS - I know he works for CBS not ESPN I'm using him as a metaphor for the big media.

Quit crying about Packer.

Christ, you sound like a KU fan.

[WilliamTheIrish]

It's pretty funny though.

BTW, when are you going to run back to shockernet saying "Help, help! I can't handle all these meanies!"?

Who is this guy Saully?

[Saulbadguy]

Waaa, waaa. The media is keeping WSU down. The board of regents is keeping WSU down. Billy Packer is keeping WSU down.

[Saulbadguy]

Who is this guy Saully?
http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=3981&highlight=chiefsplanet

"Little help guys"

[ChiefaRoo]

It's pretty funny though.

BTW, when are you going to run back to shockernet saying "Help, help! I can't handle all these meanies!"?



You think it's funny because your in the Big 12. If KSU's program had to stand on it's own, got good and was still not given all the attention due to it you wouldn't think it was so funny.

I think it's funnier that KSU is the third best team in Kansas and doesn't fill it's own barn most of the time.

[WilliamTheIrish]

http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=3981&highlight=chiefsplanet

"Little help guys"


ROFL It's like watching skip play puppeteer with aarowhead.

[ChiefaRoo]

Waaa, waaa. The media is keeping WSU down. The board of regents is keeping WSU down. Billy Packer is keeping WSU down.

Billy Packer sucks Baows and is a Big East homer and if he could would fold the Big 12 into the Big East. Guess what Saul, Billy would only want KU, OU and Texas and he'd punt KSU into a Nebraska cornfield if he could. Make no mistake he doesn't give a shite about KSU's program either.

[WilliamTheIrish]

.

I think it's funnier that KSU is the third best team in Kansas and doesn't fill it's own barn most of the time.

That's not funny. It's pathetic.

But Llittle Help Guys?" Now that's humor. Top shelf.

[Saulbadguy]

I've never run to SN and done that Saul.

You think it's funny because your in the Big 12. If KSU's program had to stand on it's own, got good and was still not given all the attention due to it you wouldn't think it was so funny.

I think it's funnier that KSU is the third best team in Kansas and doesn't fill it's own barn most of the time.
What's funny is until recently, when K-State sucked, WSU usually sucked more. You guys make the NCAA tournament once in 18 years, and think you are now the best program in the state. JFC, even K-State has a better track record than that.

I remember the reaction by the KU fans in my office after they saw WSU in the brackets. "I thought WSU was Division 2. Oh well, I will root for them too!"

[WilliamTheIrish]

Great profile. ROFL

Location: The DooDah Metroplex
Website:
Occupation: Sales Mangler
Interests: b-ball, pimpin and being a playa'


You can't make this stuff up.

[ChiefaRoo]

ROFL It's like watching skip play puppeteer with aarowhead.

Actually I destroyed every arguement with fact that was presented in that thread. There were a lot of lame swings but not one made contact.

Now get yer' shine box Saul

[tk13]

Bob Knight recruits a far different kind of kid than Huggins does. I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. Knight wouldn't touch most of Huggins kids with a 39 and a half foot pole. And vice versa probably.

[ChiefaRoo]

Great profile. ROFL




You can't make this stuff up.


I should change it. It should read Doo Dah Megaplex. :)

[ChiefaRoo]

Bob Knight recruits a far different kind of kid than Huggins does. I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. Knight wouldn't touch most of Huggins kids with a 39 and a half foot pole. And vice versa probably.


I agree that's true now but at one time he would have and now he doesn't due to age. Recruiting is a young man's game IMO.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Actually I destroyed every arguement with fact that was presented in that thread. There were a lot of lame swings but not one made contact.

Now get yer' shine box Saul

Sorry guy. I hit the link thinking it was to this thread. Then I realized it was a thread from June.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I agree that's true now but at one time he would have and now he doesn't due to age. Recruiting is a young man's game IMO.

You really don't know much about Bobby Knight do you?

[ChiefaRoo]

What's funny is until recently, when K-State sucked, WSU usually sucked more. You guys make the NCAA tournament once in 18 years, and think you are now the best program in the state. JFC, even K-State has a better track record than that.

I remember the reaction by the KU fans in my office after they saw WSU in the brackets. "I thought WSU was Division 2. Oh well, I will root for them too!"

That's just stupid. It's analgous to New Yorkers thinking there is no USA between New York and L.A.

WSU is back in basketball Saul and you know that. Turg. got his contract and Coach Spinelli is already doing his recruiting thing and is paying dividends. The future is bright. Last year the MVC was better than the Big 12 as Bradley proved. Lets not debate that all over again people can look at the thread you linked to this one if they want to debate last year.

I think KU is loaded this year though. Should be a much better team.

Spottswoodes' preseason picks for D1 programs in KS

1) KU
2) WSU
3) Kitties

All three programs should be better. We'll see on the court

Now go get yer' f***ing shine box Saul!!

[DJay23]

Huggy Bear's tourney record:
92: Final 4 (29-5)
93: Elite 8 (27-5)
94: First Round (22-10)
95: Second Round (23-11)
96: Elite 8 (28-5)
97: Second Round (26-8)
98: Second Round (27-6)
99: Second Round (27-6)
00: Second Round (29-4)
01: Sweet 16 (25-10)
02: Second Round (31-4)
03: First Round (17-12)
04: Second Round (25-7)
05: Second Round (25-8)

Huggins hasn't been relevant in the Tourney since '96.

[ChiefaRoo]

You really don't know much about Bobby Knight do you?


I know the WIBW guys out of Topeka said that Knight doesn't travel like he used to and relies on his assistants to bring him prospects of which they together then choose which ones to offer schollies to. His assistants have not evaluated talent properly and it has cost him and TT on the court. Plus times are a changin' and less and less players want to go and play for the old bastage.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Huggy Bear's tourney record:
92: Final 4 (29-5)
93: Elite 8 (27-5)
94: First Round (22-10)
95: Second Round (23-11)
96: Elite 8 (28-5)
97: Second Round (26-8)
98: Second Round (27-6)
99: Second Round (27-6)
00: Second Round (29-4)
01: Sweet 16 (25-10)
02: Second Round (31-4)
03: First Round (17-12)
04: Second Round (25-7)
05: Second Round (25-8)

Huggins hasn't been relevant in the Tourney since '96.

And Self has yet to be relevant. Right?

Great point however. Considering we (KSU) haven't sniffed the friggin thing in 10 years, all I ask for is the taste of one victory. Then one more.

[tk13]

I agree that's true now but at one time he would have and now he doesn't due to age. Recruiting is a young man's game IMO.
Eh. Huggins recruits kids nobody else will touch. That's how he acquires so much talent. Knight's really not the only one who wouldn't touch Huggins' kids. But Knight's probably at the opposite end of the spectrum. He's gotta find kids who can put up with him, and ones who actually go to class, which is probably even harder nowadays.

[DJay23]

And Self has yet to be relevant. Right?

Great point however. Considering we (KSU) haven't sniffed the friggin thing in 10 years, all I ask for is the taste of one victory. Then one more.
Elite 8 in 04 with KU, and I believe in 00 w/ Illinois

[WilliamTheIrish]

Elite 8 in 04 with KU, and I believe in 00 w/ Illinois

Ok, so Self was more recently relevant in 00 and 04? I see.

So is he's more relevant with back to back 1st round exits?

[DJay23]

Ok, so Self was more recently relevant in 00 and 04? I see.

Yes

So is he's more relevant with back to back 1st round exits?
This question makes no sense. Please translate.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Yes


This question makes no sense. Please translate.

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish
So is he's more relevant with back to back 1st round exits?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Gotta go to work.

Catch you guys later.

[ChiefaRoo]

Gotta go to work.

Catch you guys later.


Later

[DJay23]

:shrug:

[Saulbadguy]

Eh. Huggins recruits kids nobody else will touch. That's how he acquires so much talent. Knight's really not the only one who wouldn't touch Huggins' kids. But Knight's probably at the opposite end of the spectrum. He's gotta find kids who can put up with him, and ones who actually go to class, which is probably even harder nowadays.
Yeah. That's why they have more than one scholarship offer, because "noone" else would touch them.

[hawkchief]

Yeah. That's why they have more than one scholarship offer, because "noone" else would touch them.

Sounds like Saul's been tipping afew cool ones with Huggy this afternoon.

Interesting how all the purples get so defensive about their newfound hero Hugs. Just becasue you say he doesn't recruit kids with problems, doesn't mean it's so, kitties. Check out his history, and the police records of the kids he has coached. It aint pretty. Acceptance is the first step, and by doing so, it will make your newfound, overnight, "success" more enjoyable for you. Seems like everyone except the KSU fans understands what Huggins is, KSU folks just won't admit it. BTW, I doubt Roy, K or Self will be all over Tyree, Whaley et al anytime soon. Much as you want to think and like to say that they recruit the same type of player.

[ArrowheadHawk]

so how many nationally televised games will ku have this year? My guess is more them the kitties

[HemiEd]

Check out his history, and the police records of the kids he has coached. It aint pretty. Acceptance is the first step, .


Excuse me, what was the Brawl Record of KU BB players in the last couple of years? (Giddens)I seem to remember some pretty serious bar incidents. This same highly recruited, can't miss player, was in serious trouble before ever leaving for KU.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Excuse me, what was the Brawl Record of KU BB players in the last couple of years? (Giddens)I seem to remember some pretty serious bar incidents. This same highly recruited, can't miss player, was in serious trouble before ever leaving for KU.
did bill self recruit him??

[hawkchief]

Excuse me, what was the Brawl Record of KU BB players in the last couple of years? (Giddens)I seem to remember some pretty serious bar incidents. This same highly recruited, can't miss player, was in serious trouble before ever leaving for KU.

Nice try, Ed, but last time I checked there are bar fights in college towns virtually every night of the year. Giddens was shown the door after his incidence happened. Conversely, it's pretty rare when a college hoops coach recruits and knowingly infests his schools' campus with kids involved in rape and the types of behavior Hugs kids at Cinci engaged in. If it makes your rationalization of Hugs' hire work for you, then congratulations!

[Saulbadguy]

did bill self recruit him??
Apparently.

http://kansas.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=6239

[CoMoChief]

did bill self recruit him??

Good point

[CoMoChief]

Apparently.

http://kansas.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=6239



Giddens came in with David Padgett, both being Roy's recruits IIRC in the Spring '03 which was Roy's last moments with the Jayhawks. Roy recruited him all of that year and then left and Self came in with their letters of intent already signed and Giddens decided to stay. Remember how Padgett always bitched about the way Self was using him?

[Saulbadguy]

Giddens came in with David Padgett, both being Roy's recruits IIRC.
But Bill Self did recruit him. It does show interest from Illinois.

[CoMoChief]

But Bill Self did recruit him. It does show interest from Illinois.


Many coaches recruited him, he was a MCD's All American. He chose to go to KU at the time Roy was still the coach not knowing Self was gonna be the successor.

[Saulbadguy]

Many coaches recruited him, he was a MCD's All American. He chose to go to KU at the time Roy was still the coach not knowing Self was gonna be the successor.
Yep. I was just answering ArrowheadHawks question.

[vailpass]

Big Monday: K-State vs Texas Tech. Can't wait!

Not a bad JV game. Who's playing in the Varsity match-up?

[Saulbadguy]

Not a bad JV game. Who's playing in the Varsity match-up?
Steve Alford. Snicker.

[hawkchief]

But Bill Self did recruit him. It does show interest from Illinois.

Congratulations, Saul! I'm sure you have convinced most people that follow sports, that Roy Williams and Bill Self operate like Huggins, and have a documented history of knowingly recruiting guys like Tyree Evans, Robert Whaley et al. Nice parallel.

[vailpass]

Steve Alford. Snicker.

Bob Huggins. Hiccup.

[Saulbadguy]

Congratulations, Saul! I'm sure you have convinced most people that follow sports, that Roy Williams and Bill Self operate like Huggins, and have a documented history of knowingly recruiting guys like Tyree Evans, Robert Whaley et al. Nice parallel.
I didn't draw the parallel. I was just answering a question. Obsess much?

[vailpass]

Saul,
All smack aside: are you seriously proud to have Huggins in your program? Do K-State fans want to win so badly that they would welcome a proven used-car salesman huckster with boat-loads of character issues who couldn't give a shit if his kids graduate as long as they aren't in jail on game days?

It seems to me that you, and a reputable institution like K-State, have traded your character for wins and $$.

Am I completely off base here? I respect your opinion or I wouldn't ask.

[ROYC75]

Saul,
All smack aside: are you seriously proud to have Huggins in your program? Do K-State fans want to win so badly that they would welcome a proven used-car salesman huckster with boat-loads of character issues who couldn't give a shit if his kids graduate as long as they aren't in jail on game days?

It seems to me that you, and a reputable institution like K-State, have traded your character for wins and $$.

Am I completely off base here? I respect your opinion or I wouldn't ask.


Yes, it has been a loooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggg time and KSU, the kittens have sold their soul to the devil.
ROFL

[HemiEd]

Nice try, Ed, but last time I checked there are bar fights in college towns virtually every night of the year. Giddens was shown the door after his incidence happened.

In your honest opinion, why was he shown the door? Was it because of these incidents, or the fact that he could not hit the outside shot he was recruited for on a consistent basis? I think the latter was the reason. I truly think if he had performed well on the court they would have worked the off-court issues out.

[hawkchief]

I didn't draw the parallel. I was just answering a question. Obsess much?

Pretty easy to tell from many of your 24,000+ posts who the one "obsessing" is.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Pretty easy to tell from many of your 24,000+ posts who the one "obsessing" is.
ouch

[hawkchief]

In your honest opinion, why was he shown the door? Was it because of these incidents, or the fact that he could not hit the outside shot he was recruited for on a consistent basis? I think the latter was the reason. I truly think if he had performed well on the court they would have worked the off-court issues out.

Giddens was a Roy recruit that Self inherited. No question that he would have stayed at KU had the Moon Bar incident not occured - the fight did really steam Self per those in the KU hoops inner-circle. It is accurate that JR wasn't one of Self's favorites due mainly to his lack of hustle and lack of defense more than anything, but you are way out on a limb to suggest that JR was released for anything other than the fight. Nice try, though.

[HemiEd]

Giddens was a Roy recruit that Self inherited. No question that he would have stayed at KU had the Moon Bar incident not occured - the fight did really steam Self per those in the KU hoops inner-circle. It is accurate that JR wasn't one of Self's favorites due mainly to his lack of hustle and lack of defense more than anything, but you are way out on a limb to suggest that JR was released for anything other than the fight. Nice try, though.

Now who is drinking the Koolaid? If he had been scoring like he was supposed to, the only reason he would have left early would have been for the NBA.

[ChiefaRoo]

Now who is drinking the Koolaid? If he had been scoring like he was supposed to, the only reason he would have left early would have been for the NBA.

Very interesting point Ed. Would JR of been invited to leave after the Moon bar fight if he was hitting 40% from 3 point range? It does make one wonder.

[ChiTown]

ROFL

KU fans make me laugh.

"WE DON'T CARE, WE DON'T CARE........HUGGINS IS A BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT WE DON'T CARE...."

Seriously, this is good stuff. Thanks

[ArrowheadHawk]

ROFL

KU fans make me laugh.

"WE DON'T CARE, WE DON'T CARE........HUGGINS IS A BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT WE DON'T CARE...."

Seriously, this is good stuff. Thanks
glad we can help out

[WilliamTheIrish]

Saul,
All smack aside: are you seriously proud to have Huggins in your program? Do K-State fans want to win so badly that they would welcome a proven used-car salesman huckster with boat-loads of character issues who couldn't give a shit if his kids graduate as long as they aren't in jail on game days?

It seems to me that you, and a reputable institution like K-State, have traded your character for wins and $$.

Am I completely off base here? I respect your opinion or I wouldn't ask.

I'll answer this one.

1)I don't give one good damn what Huggins did or who he recruited at Cinci. To me, it matters not. He's here and I'm damn glad about it.

2) Graduation.
Am I foolish enough to believe that every athlete that plays bball (or football) is there for anything but to polish their game for a career in the NFL, the Association, or Greece, or Italy....wherever? Hell no. College sports isn't driven by grad rates. It's driven by money. And to get a piece of the pie you have to win.

Look at the roster(s) of any NCAA team. You can't tell me that a very high % of the players are there for academics. If they graduate... Yipee.. if they don't... I don't care.
Character issues? Same thing.

And fans that want to point at Huggins and say he's the problem, well they can kiss my ass. The problem is the NCAA is an institution that has been bought and paid for by the corporate dollar. The NCAA has set it up rather simply: Get good players and win and get in the tourney where you make money. Or get crummy players, lose and get nothing.

KSU tried the mid major approach with Tom Asbury. He sucked.
KSU tried to go back to it's roots and hired Jim Wooldrige. He sucked.

KSU got the best coach available. And the results will speak for themselves.

Now excuse me while KSU gets in on a piece of the pie.

[arrowheadnation]

I'll answer this one.

1)I don't give one good damn what Huggins did or who he recruited at Cinci. To me, it matters not. He's here and I'm damn glad about it.

2) Graduation.
Am I foolish enough to believe that every athlete that plays bball (or football) is there for anything but to polish their game for a career in the NFL, the Association, or Greece, or Italy....wherever? Hell no. College sports isn't driven by grad rates. It's driven by money. And to get a piece of the pie you have to win.

Look at the roster(s) of any NCAA team. You can't tell me that a very high % of the players are there for academics. If they graduate... Yipee.. if they don't... I don't care.
Character issues? Same thing.

And fans that want to point at Huggins and say he's the problem, well they can kiss my ass. The problem is the NCAA is an institution that has been bought and paid for by the corporate dollar. The NCAA has set it up rather simply: Get good players and win and get in the tourney where you make money. Or get crummy players, lose and get nothing.

KSU tried the mid major approach with Tom Asbury. He sucked.
KSU tried to go back to it's roots and hired Jim Wooldrige. He sucked.

KSU got the best coach available. And the results will speak for themselves.

Now excuse me while KSU gets in on a piece of the pie.
Translated: Kevin and the rest of the Flowercats got so tired of being in the basketball gutter that they sold their collective souls to get some attention (and MAYBE become a winner).

[WilliamTheIrish]

Translated: Kevin and the rest of the Flowercats got so tired of being in the basketball gutter that they sold their collective souls to get some attention (and MAYBE become a winner).

Translation:
This quoted post was brought to you by the staff at Phlognet, that is absolutely not concerned about KSU basketball. Not one bit.

Say hi to Skip, Tom.

[ChiefaRoo]

I think a strong argument could be made that the levels of integrity and sportsmanship at all three D1 schools has changed a lot in the past 20 years. It wasn't too many years ago that WSU was at the bottom with KU and KSU being squeaky clean with the likes of Ted Owens and Jack Hartman at the helm. Today WSU has Mark Turgeon and an AD and President in Don Beggs who run a very transparent and clean program in Wichita while KU is currently under investigation for violating NCAA rules and losing "institutional control". Meanwhile KSU has brought a wolf into the hen house in the form of Huggy/Jabba the hut who obviously is a win at all costs type of guy. Very interesting indeed.

[ChiTown]

I think a strong argument could be made that the levels of integrity and sportsmanship at all three D1 schools has changed a lot in the past 20 years. It wasn't too many years ago that WSU was at the bottom with KU and KSU being squeaky clean with the likes of Ted Owens and Jack Hartman at the helm. Today WSU has Mark Turgeon and an AD and President in Don Beggs who run a very transparent and clean program in Wichita while KU is currently under investigation for violating NCAA rules and losing "institutional control". Meanwhile KSU has brought a wolf into the hen house in the form of Huggy/Jabba the hut who obviously is a win at all costs type of guy. Very interesting indeed.

:rolleyes:

Well, at least you hve an informed opinion........
ROFL

[Saulbadguy]

Saul,
All smack aside: are you seriously proud to have Huggins in your program? Do K-State fans want to win so badly that they would welcome a proven used-car salesman huckster with boat-loads of character issues who couldn't give a shit if his kids graduate as long as they aren't in jail on game days?

It seems to me that you, and a reputable institution like K-State, have traded your character for wins and $$.

Am I completely off base here? I respect your opinion or I wouldn't ask.
Just read Williams post and that is how I feel.

[HemiEd]

I think a strong argument could be made that the levels of integrity and sportsmanship at all three D1 schools has changed a lot in the past 20 years. It wasn't too many years ago that WSU was at the bottom with KU and KSU being squeaky clean with the likes of Ted Owens and Jack Hartman at the helm. Today WSU has Mark Turgeon and an AD and President in Don Beggs who run a very transparent and clean program in Wichita while KU is currently under investigation for violating NCAA rules and losing "institutional control". Meanwhile KSU has brought a wolf into the hen house in the form of Huggy/Jabba the hut who obviously is a win at all costs type of guy. Very interesting indeed.

I think the NBA taking more and more talent straight out of High School has had a tremendous impact.
I may have missed something, but I do not think the Jayhawks are under investigation for the BB program.
Huggins is a proven winner, it is all good.
I just recently learned about Wilson not returning for the Shockers, do not know how I missed that. He was homesick?

[DJay23]

I think the NBA taking more and more talent straight out of High School has had a tremendous impact.
I may have missed something, but I do not think the Jayhawks are under investigation for the BB program.
Huggins is a proven winner, it is all good.
I just recently learned about Wilson not returning for the Shockers, do not know how I missed that. He was homesick?
Darnell Jackson I believe got a ride from somebody connected to the program to Oklahoma when his grandma was sick or some such.

[ChiefaRoo]

I think the NBA taking more and more talent straight out of High School has had a tremendous impact.
I may have missed something, but I do not think the Jayhawks are under investigation for the BB program.
Huggins is a proven winner, it is all good.
I just recently learned about Wilson not returning for the Shockers, do not know how I missed that. He was homesick?

Ed,

Your confused. Kyle Wilson will be a SR. next year and a likely team captain. He did transfer 2 plus years ago from Illinois to WSU after being homesick.

WSU returns everyone except one SR in Paul Miller who graduated.

[ChiefaRoo]

Darnell Jackson I believe got a ride from somebody connected to the program to Oklahoma when his grandma was sick or some such.

As much as I would like to see KU beat down a bit I hope nothing comes of it.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Darnell Jackson I believe got a ride from somebody connected to the program to Oklahoma when his grandma was sick or some such.

ROFL

[vailpass]

Just read Williams post and that is how I feel.

Wiiliam & Saul,

You really believe this?:

1)I don't give one good damn what Huggins did or who he recruited at Cinci. To me, it matters not. He's here and I'm damn glad about it.
The criminal's he brought in who had absolutely zero interest in ever being a student? The drunken driving? The national disgust and hatred? You are o.k. with your alma mater being represented by these things?
2) Graduation.
Am I foolish enough to believe that every athlete that plays bball (or football) is there for anything but to polish their game for a career in the NFL, the Association, or Greece, or Italy....wherever? Hell no. College sports isn't driven by grad rates. It's driven by money. And to get a piece of the pie you have to win.

Look at the roster(s) of any NCAA team. You can't tell me that a very high % of the players are there for academics. If they graduate... Yipee.. if they don't... I don't care.
I can tell you with utmost surety that Huggins's grad rates are at the very bottom of the barrel.

Character issues? Same thing.
Rapists, thieves, drug busts, thuggery, ghetto boys, etc. at your alma mater doesn't bother you? Really? You have no concern whatsoever that the rest of the country will view your program in the same negative, dissaproving light they viewed Cinci? Have you been doormats for so long you are willing to prostitute yourselves for a few wins? Or will only a few wins change your mind? How many wins or championships will it take in your eyes to make selling out worth it?

[WilliamTheIrish]

I guess I'm just not pollyanna about college athletics like most people on this board. It's not a purer version of sports. It's cash cow, with a history of corruption.

Graduation rates? The NCAA has the most ridiculous set of rules governing those rates. A student athlete gets 6(?) years to complete a degree, but if he transfers and graduates he doesn't count. If he leaves early for the NBA, and returns later to finish, it doesn't count.


If they really wanted to do away with guys like Huggins, they would. He got a DUI. It's on tape. That was a bad thing. Hopefully he'll take a cab from now on, if he's learned his lesson. If it happens again I'd imagine he'd be fired.

I look at college athletics through the same jaded lens as Olympic sports. They like to pretend they are about the "student athlete'. That's bullshiot. They're about 1 thing. Money.

I can't change the way people view Bob Huggins or Cinci. That's their problem. Media and opposing fans were critical of Bill Snyder. I didn't care then either.

I love the "prostitute yourselves for wins" line. It classic Jhoax. It's not like you to follow the crowd like that.

Finally, I'm pretty sure KSU did their due dilligence on Huggins. He's a winner. He can recruit. He's done it everywhere. I'm actually happy that people are so concerned.

[Big Dick Jones]

I guess I'm just not pollyanna about college athletics like most people on this board. It's not a purer version of sports. It's cash cow, with a history of corruption.

Graduation rates? The NCAA has the most ridiculous set of rules governing those rates. A student athlete gets 6(?) years to complete a degree, but if he transfers and graduates he doesn't count. If he leaves early for the NBA, and returns later to finish, it doesn't count.


If they really wanted to do away with guys like Huggins, they would. He got a DUI. It's on tape. That was a bad thing. Hopefully he'll take a cab from now on, if he's learned his lesson. If it happens again I'd imagine he'd be fired.

I look at college athletics through the same jaded lens as Olympic sports. They like to pretend they are about the "student athlete'. That's bullshiot. They're about 1 thing. Money.

I can't change the way people view Bob Huggins or Cinci. That's their problem. Media and opposing fans were critical of Bill Snyder. I didn't care then either.

I love the "prostitute yourselves for wins" line. It classic Jhoax. It's not like you to follow the crowd like that.

Finally, I'm pretty sure KSU did their due dilligence on Huggins. He's a winner. He can recruit. He's done it everywhere. I'm actually happy that people are so concerned.
Uh, William, surely you are aware that "Huggy Bear" sat for 7 months with absolutely nobody willing to give him a Div I job? Even after he publicly proclaimed that he would take ANY Div 1 job available. Also, William, are you aware Mizzou passed on him before you guys caved in and sacrificed any future credibility as far as integrity is concerned? Yeah, sorry pal, even Mizzou had more self respect.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Uh, William, surely you are aware that "Huggy Bear" sat for 7 months with absolutely nobody willing to give him a Div I job? Even after he publicly proclaimed that he would take ANY Div 1 job available. Also, William, are you aware Mizzou passed on him before you guys caved in and sacrificed any future credibility as far as integrity is concerned? Yeah, sorry pal, even Mizzou had more self respect.

No skip.

[HemiEd]

Ed,

Your confused. Kyle Wilson will be a SR. next year and a likely team captain. He did transfer 2 plus years ago from Illinois to WSU after being homesick.

WSU returns everyone except one SR in Paul Miller who graduated.

Maybe I am confused but I read this in the Eagle a couple days ago.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/colleges/wichita_state_university/15047865.htm

"The first July evaluation period ended Saturday; the next one begins next Saturday. WSU coaches are looking for guards and a post player as they prepare for the departure of forwards Kyle Wilson and Ryan Martin and guard Karon Bradley."

Maybe they are talking about 2007-2008, but they seemed to have signed 3 possibly 4 players and I only thought they had 1 scholarship.
Here is an excerpt from the Shocker writer at the Eagle.

QCan you please tell me who WSU has signed for men and womens basketball.......for the life of me I can't seem to find a site that has that listed anywhere......I know about the recent signings, but what about the previous 3, are they still coming and how do you think the four players will do this next season?
Eddie deRoulet, Houston, TX 7/14/06
AMen: J.T. Durley (6-7), Arbry Butler (6-7), Chris Brown (6-7) and Gal Mekel (6-3), who has committed but won't sign a letter of intent. The women have Jacie Hoyt, Kristin Donnell and Breezy Martin. I would guess Mekel will play a lot. One of the big men may turn into a key reserve. It would seem difficult for all three of the forwards to play a lot; perhaps one or two will redshirt.
Paul Suellentrop 7/14/06