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Logical
07-22-2006, 11:14 PM
I was at the movies today and saw a preview for a new TV series that I believe it said will be called something like "Fallen Angel"

I deeply hope it is a storyline based on the evils of organized religion. That would be truly sweet and I bet would have both a huge following and the RRWNJs writing letters and emails till their fingers fell off.:clap:

Anybody seen this preview and know the exact name and what network it will be on?

I am imagining a story with a fallen angel who lead different organized religious groups over the ages in horrors perpetrated by organized religions against mankind. Present day Muslim terrorists, Irish Republican Catholics, Catholic Priests against young boys, Nuns over the ages against victimized orphans and students, the Crusades. Well you get the idea. There would be a set of characters who are reincarnated in the different times to fight and eventually the defeat the evils of organized religion.

morphius
07-22-2006, 11:15 PM
ABC Family...

Logical
07-22-2006, 11:16 PM
ABC Family...

Thanks Morph, That is too bad, probably won't have the type of storyline I am hoping for.:(

Logical
07-22-2006, 11:22 PM
I was imagining a story with a fallen angel who led different groups over the ages in horrors perpetrated by organized religions against differing groups. Present day Muslim terrorists, Irish Republican Catholics, Catholic Priests against young boys, Nuns over the ages against victimized orphans and students, the Crusades. Well you get the idea. There would be a set of characters who are reincarnated in the different times to fight and eventually the defeat the evils of organized religion.

Hey this is a great idea for a thread. I think I will add it to the thread starter.:hmmm:

Mecca
07-22-2006, 11:22 PM
Hey, hey, hey ABC family show's reruns of one of the funniest sitcoms ever...........Grounded for Life. It's really to bad that show got taken off it was great.

Mr. Kotter
07-22-2006, 11:26 PM
SchadenFreude much, Jim?

:shake:

morphius
07-22-2006, 11:27 PM
I was imagining a story with a fallen angel who led different groups over the ages in horrors perpetrated by organized religions against differing groups. Present day Muslim terrorists, Irish Republican Catholics, Catholic Priests against young boys, Nuns over the ages against victimized orphans and students, the Crusades. Well you get the idea. There would be a set of characters who are reincarnated in the different times to fight and eventually the defeat the evils of organized religion.

Hey this is a great idea for a thread. I think I will add it to the thread starter.:hmmm:
I don't think it even looked remotely like that from the commercials that I have seen.

Nothing like the Giants of yester year...

Logical
07-22-2006, 11:28 PM
SchadenFreude much, Jim?

:shake:

Enjoy Damage? You sure you got the right German words Robb?

Hammock Parties
07-22-2006, 11:33 PM
Yeah, f*ck religion! *guitar squeal*

Slayer Diablo
07-22-2006, 11:34 PM
Woah, what's this about the evils perpetrated by Catholics, Muslims, and Republicans? The Protestants and all their million or so denominations have been evil...why can't they televise that? Why couldn't it even be an angel who falls from heaven to eat the "free love" hippies? Oh, wait, this is on ABC Family...well, he can still throw them in jail for smoking pot. :p

greg63
07-22-2006, 11:35 PM
RRWNJs???

morphius
07-22-2006, 11:35 PM
It appears to be about a 18 year old that was born of angel and human who has an angel sent down to protect him from being destroyed...

morphius
07-22-2006, 11:36 PM
RRWNJs???
Republican Right Wing Nut Jobs.

Mr. Kotter
07-22-2006, 11:36 PM
Enjoy Damage? You sure you got the right German words Robb?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/schadenfreude

3 entries found for schadenfreude....

scha·den·freu·de http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2Fschadenfreude) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (shädhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifn-froihttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/lprime.gifdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gif)
n. Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.

Here is Wikipedia's version:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

Slayer Diablo
07-22-2006, 11:36 PM
RRWNJs???

Really Right Wing New Jersians...

greg63
07-22-2006, 11:36 PM
Republican Right Wing Nut Jobs.


Thanks. :thumb:

Slayer Diablo
07-22-2006, 11:39 PM
Republican Right Wing Nut Jobs.

Bah, there's no such thing as a conservative republican anymore...the party's moved too far to the "moderate" zone.

morphius
07-22-2006, 11:41 PM
Bah, there's no such thing as a conservative republican anymore...the party's moved too far to the "moderate" zone.
There is such a thing, just for some reason none of them seen to be running things.

Mr. Kotter
07-22-2006, 11:42 PM
Bah, there's no such thing as a conservative republican anymore...the party's moved too far to the "moderate" zone.
Eh, they are there--they've just been "marginalized"--as they should be. The Republicans are just smart enough to placate their fringe with rhetoric, and no action....while my party seems hell-bent on self-destruction by eschewing 'electability' for sticking to their (LWNJ) 'principles.'

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

big nasty kcnut
07-22-2006, 11:46 PM
I thought this was about chris daniel the fallen angel of tna wrestling.

Slayer Diablo
07-22-2006, 11:49 PM
Eh, they are there--they've just been "marginalized"--as they should be. The Republicans are just smart enough to placate their fringe with rhetoric, and no action....while my party seems hell-bent on self-destruction by eschewing 'electability' for sticking to their (LWNJ) 'principles.'

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

good = Jesus
Jesus = right
right = conservativism
Jesus = conservative
conservatives = good

No reason for the Republicans to leave the conservative values that they're supposed to have.

Mr. Kotter
07-22-2006, 11:49 PM
I thought this was about chris daniel the fallen angel of tna wrestling.
WWE???

ROFLROFLROFL

It might as well be, nut. :thumb:

good = Jesus
Jesus = right
right = conservativism
Jesus = conservative
conservatives = good

No reason for the Republicans to leave the conservative values that they're supposed to have.

The intersection of politics and values is difficult and treacherous to navigate; one must tread carefully...

Slayer Diablo
07-22-2006, 11:55 PM
The intersection of politics and values is difficult and treacherous to navigate; one must tread carefully...

Eh, what can I say...I like challenges.

Logical
07-23-2006, 12:03 AM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/schadenfreude

3 entries found for schadenfreude....

scha·den·freu·de http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2Fschadenfreude) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (shädhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifn-froihttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/lprime.gifdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gif)
n. Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.

Here is Wikipedia's version:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude


Thanks Robb, my German is only good enough to break down the component words. This must have a special meaning when coupled.

Logical
07-23-2006, 12:04 AM
Republican Right Wing Nut Jobs.No, Religious Right Wing Nut Jobs but yours was close.;)

Mr. Kotter
07-23-2006, 12:05 AM
Thanks Robb, my German is only good enough to break down the component words. This must have a special meaning when coupled.

No prob. Same as English words, when combined, take on new meanings.

Logical
07-23-2006, 12:19 AM
It appears to be about a 18 year old that was born of angel and human who has an angel sent down to protect him from being destroyed...Thanks

[yawn]Sounds like just another variation on "Touched by an AngeL: [yawn]

Moooo
07-23-2006, 12:52 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is it about organized religion that you have something against? Is it that it doesn't encourage thinking on their own?

Just curious, not looking for an argument.

Moooo

Logical
07-23-2006, 12:57 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is it about organized religion that you have something against? Is it that it doesn't encourage thinking on their own?

Just curious, not looking for an argument.

MooooThat is a huge part of it.

RealSNR
07-23-2006, 01:08 AM
Not to shit on your thread, Jim, but shit happens anytime you get a group of people united under one epistemological belief. Not just religion, but anti-religion as well, including fascism of ALL types, not just nazism. And let's not forget the Stalinist USSR. These were far from theocracies, but as far as argument is concerned, their uniting beliefs did as much, if not more damage than many cases of religious terror throughout history. They may as well have been an extremist theocracy

Logical
07-23-2006, 01:09 AM
Not to shit on your thread, Jim, but shit happens anytime you get a group of people united under one epistemological belief. Not just religion, but anti-religion as well, including fascism of ALL types, not just nazism. And let's not forget the Stalinist USSR. These were far from theocracies, but as far as argument is concerned, their uniting beliefs did as much, if not more damage than many cases of religious terror throughout history. They may as well have been an extremist theocracyThere is much truth in what you say, it is group think in action.

Imon Yourside
07-23-2006, 01:09 AM
Common Sense is something to behold, and something severely lacking in the now. You could always worship Nambla? :p

Moooo
07-23-2006, 01:14 AM
Not to shit on your thread, Jim, but shit happens anytime you get a group of people united under one epistemological belief. Not just religion, but anti-religion as well, including fascism of ALL types, not just nazism. And let's not forget the Stalinist USSR. These were far from theocracies, but as far as argument is concerned, their uniting beliefs did as much, if not more damage than many cases of religious terror throughout history. They may as well have been an extremist theocracy

I wasn't going to say anything, but I will now.

There was a psychologist whose name escapes me at 2 am, but nonetheless he did a scale of the thought processes of the human mind in their level of comprehension of life and the such. His results came back that only 1 out of 10 people in his study thought at a level where they questioned why certain laws were legal or to put what is morally right above the function of society. That's right, only 1 out of 10.

So organizations such as this serve a good purpose for many. As one of those 1, Logical, you probably see it as hindering to finding your true self, and consequently the way to be truely right with God, but for those other 9, it serves as a purposeful tool for those who don't bother to question why.

Moooo

Logical
07-23-2006, 01:40 AM
I wasn't going to say anything, but I will now.

There was a psychologist whose name escapes me at 2 am, but nonetheless he did a scale of the thought processes of the human mind in their level of comprehension of life and the such. His results came back that only 1 out of 10 people in his study thought at a level where they questioned why certain laws were legal or to put what is morally right above the function of society. That's right, only 1 out of 10.

So organizations such as this serve a good purpose for many. As one of those 1, Logical, you probably see it as hindering to finding your true self, and consequently the way to be truely right with God, but for those other 9, it serves as a purposeful tool for those who don't bother to question why.

MooooThat is truly interesting, if you remember the psychologist name in the future. Please pass it along in a Private Message. I would probably try to find and read some of his work.

Thanks in advance if you do remember.

Logical
07-23-2006, 04:04 PM
good = Jesus
Jesus = right
right = conservativism
Jesus = conservative
conservatives = good

No reason for the Republicans to leave the conservative values that they're supposed to have.This is just silly.

tommykat
07-23-2006, 04:39 PM
Jim, you are evil and must die! Can't find a wink for that...heehee

Logical
07-24-2006, 07:46 AM
Jim, you are evil and must die! Can't find a wink for that...heehee

:evil:

BucEyedPea
07-24-2006, 08:28 AM
Irish Republican Catholics,

You forgot Belfast Protestants and Protestant Dispensationalists who support all out war in the ME for religious reasons ( end times prophecy requires defending Israel at all costs to them)

You might also add, those who feel Big Govt is a religion, anorganized one in order to correct the people's behavior particularly regarding other groups of people they won't associate with freely. In order to enforce this there is the threat of jail, a fine or both. This would be the Progressives and other socialists. Afterall, govt is their religion it just replaces a church. They do their acts of charity and good under this.

You might also separate what a religion actually professes to believe and show the proportion that does not practice those beliefs too whether organized or not, human nature being what it is.

Logical
07-24-2006, 08:40 AM
You forgot Belfast Protestants and Protestant Dispensationalists who support all out war in the ME for religious reasons ( end times prophecy requires defending Israel at all costs to them)

You might also add, those who feel Big Govt is a religion, anorganized one in order to correct the people's behavior particularly regarding other groups of people they won't associate with freely. In order to enforce this there is the threat of jail, a fine or both. This would be the Progressives and other socialists. Afterall, govt is their religion it just replaces a church. They do their acts of charity and good under this.

You might also separate what a religion actually professes to believe and show the proportion that does not practice those beliefs too whether organized or not, human nature being what it is.

Though I understand your point, it does not quite fit the plot line I envisioned.

Sully
07-24-2006, 08:49 AM
I wasn't going to say anything, but I will now.

There was a psychologist whose name escapes me at 2 am, but nonetheless he did a scale of the thought processes of the human mind in their level of comprehension of life and the such. His results came back that only 1 out of 10 people in his study thought at a level where they questioned why certain laws were legal or to put what is morally right above the function of society. That's right, only 1 out of 10.

So organizations such as this serve a good purpose for many. As one of those 1, Logical, you probably see it as hindering to finding your true self, and consequently the way to be truely right with God, but for those other 9, it serves as a purposeful tool for those who don't bother to question why.

Moooo

This study is based off of Kohlberg's levels of Moral Development. There are three levels, each with two stages. According to studies of the theory, most people never reach the third level, postconventional reasoning.

Jilly
07-24-2006, 09:31 AM
I think folks who don't believe in organized religion just haven't found the right one. It's not that I believe you can't find God without Church, or Allah without a Mosque, I believe you can....but what I believe is that when folks get it right in a church, etc (meaning that they understand how much they fail and that everyone within it fails, and this is a separate topic)...it can be a place that is freeing and a place that is full of much growth for one's faith system. I don't think folks who believe against organized religion, really understand the concept to begin with. It isn't about telling someone what they should or shouldn't believe (although many organized religions have gotten this wrong over and over again), it's about providing a safe space for people to explore and be supported in that exploration. At least, it should be.