810 reporting deal in the works to send MacDougal to the ChiSox

[cmh6476]

for a left-handed prospect that figures to work his way into the starting rotation

[Pitt Gorilla]

Ick. That's one guy I'd like them to keep. Give them Affeldt, Redman, Sanders, Stairs, Sweeney, Graff, Grudz, Elarton, etc.

[tk13]

Yikes. That might make the White Sox unstoppable. MacDougal, then Jenks? Plus they have a left handed reliever, Matt Thornton, who throws 98 with a nasty slider. Their pitching staff will be unstoppable. This prospect better be good if we're trading in the division like that.

[Eleazar]

http://minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Tyler%20Lumsden&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=460274

[htismaqe]

Get this baseball shit outta here.

We're 100% Ty Law, 100% of the time.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Does this mean the Royals won't suck anymore ?

[cmh6476]

Get this baseball shit outta here.

We're 100% Ty Law, 100% of the time.bump

[tk13]

Lumsden is a 23 year old lefty out of Clemson. 6'4", 215 lbs. Was taken with the 34th overall pick in 2004. Missed all of last year after shoulder surgery on his labrum. Throws in the low 90's with a power curveball that he can throw for strikes... is considered one of the top Sox pitching prospects.

[cmh6476]

damn, check this out

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2528494

Looks like they're close to getting soriano as well :|

[Eleazar]

Lumsden is a 23 year old lefty out of Clemson. 6'4", 215 lbs. Was taken with the 34th overall pick in 2004. Missed all of last year after shoulder surgery on his labrum. Throws in the low 90's with a power curveball that he can throw for strikes... is considered one of the top Sox pitching prospects.

123 IP, 2.69 ERA, 40 BB, 72 SO... those numbers are fine for a guy who's 23. I like the prospect of this deal.

[tk13]

damn, check this out

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2528494

Looks like they're close to getting soriano as well :|
I guess that's not too surprising, the Sox have been floundering a bit lately. The Tigers were starting to expand their lead. And the Twins aren't going away with Liriano and Santana pitching 2 out of every 5 days.

[Rooster]

Get this baseball shit outta here.

We're 100% Ty Law, 100% of the time.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Maybe Law could play for the Royals too.

[Archie Bunker]

If his arm is healthy I like the deal. I dont think I can ever fully trust Mac to close games out.

[Rooster]

Moore is making some deals. I like that.

[Eleazar]

I wonder if this will be a three way trade with the Nationals, part of the Soriano deal. Maybe we'll send Mac to the Sox in exchange for Lumsden, and pick up something extra from Washington?

[sedated]

damn.

I like MacDougal.

He could be a force in the 'pen.

I don't like this move. We spent so long developing him into a good closer, just to roll the dice on another kid, and chances are he doesn't have Mac's stuff.

Plus I just ordered a MacDougal jersey. F*ck!

[Archie Bunker]

White Sox fan's reactions

http://mb3.scout.com/fchicagowhitesoxfrm1.showMessage?topicID=2827.topic

[cmh6476]

I wonder if this will be a three way trade with the Nationals, part of the Soriano deal. Maybe we'll send Mac to the Sox in exchange for Lumsden, and pick up something extra from Washington?
maybe we can send sanders to was so he can play in place of soriano. Anyone we want from the nats? PBJ

[Eleazar]

maybe we can send sanders to was so he can play in place of soriano. Anyone we want from the nats? PBJ

Uh... he's on the DL

[cmh6476]

Uh... he's on the DL
all the more reason to trade him :p

[penguinz]

all the more reason to trade him :p
You can;t trade a player who is on the DL.

[cmh6476]

You can;t trade a player who is on the DL.I know that, it was a joke. I also don't see this being a 3-way trade.

[KevB]

Not terribly excited by the 72K in 123 innings stats. I'd like to think we could get a power arm back for a "proven closer" with electric stuff. I'll just have to trust Moore on this one, as I've never seen this kid pitch.

[tk13]

I am interested in seeing how many of our good bullpen arms we trade. Dayton hasn't come out and said that, but that's one area where the Braves were way different than Baird. Baird was all about the power bullpen, the Braves have always been about good starting pitching... most people couldn't name most of their closers over the years... except for Smoltz, and John Rocker... and that's for reasons not related to baseball.

The interesting thing about Soriano to the Sox would be... who's going to play center? Podsednik I guess... they will be weakening their defense a little... that's kinda risky. Brian Anderson wasn't hitting a lick but they already had a great O and he was okay defensively.

[sedated]

the sox board mentions getting Burgos in the deal too.

f*ck that noise.

I like having a good bullpen.

[beavis]

I like having a good bullpen.
You probably shouldn't watch the Royals then.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Why is it that whenever the Royals develop a good player they have to trade him off ?

[cmh6476]

its final, we got daniel cortez as well :thumb:

[tk13]

Supposedly on the Sox' official message board, they're saying Score 670 in Chicago, the Sox flagship station, is saying it's a done deal, but the Sox haven't announced it yet.

Also said the Soriano deal is not a done deal... not like the national outlets are reporting.

[cmh6476]

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Daniel%20Cortes&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=451135

[Archie Bunker]

Looks like another good move by Moore. He sure isnt afraid to make some bold moves.

[Dartgod]

its final, we got daniel cortez as well :thumb:Link please?


EDIT: Nevermind...

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9569525

White Sox acquire MacDougal to shore up bullpen
July 24, 2006
By Scott Miller
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

The slumping Chicago White Sox, who have fallen to 6½ games behind Detroit in the AL Central, have acquired relief pitcher Mike MacDougal from Kansas City, CBS SportsLine has learned.

The move addresses the White Sox primary need as they look to tighten up an inconsistent bullpen. Last week, they released reliever Cliff Politte, who was an integral part of their 2005 World Series championship.

MacDougal, 29, has spent much of the season on the disabled list for the Royals, pitching just four innings in four appearances and giving up two hits and no runs and recording one save.He is expected to serve as one of the primary setup man for closer Bobby Jenks.

The White Sox have agreed to send two lower level minor leaguers to Kansas City in exchange for MacDougal.

Also on the Chicago trade front, the White Sox continue to be a serious player in the bidding for Washington outfielder Alfonso Soriano. As of Monday afternoon, the talks were continuing but nothing appeared imminent as the Nationals try to put together the best deal possible for the marquee slugger in July's trade market.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I don't know about this one. Unless Mac isn't coming back as healthy as he once was, I'm not sure I like it. It's hard to forget the time he threw a heater right at Pooholes' head, only to have it drop in for a strike.

Hey Dayton. Trade some of the older vets.

[duncan_idaho]

Why is it that whenever the Royals develop a good player they have to trade him off ?

This is a smart deal.

Look at the young pitching talent the Royals have. It's almost exclusively in the bullpen. They desperately need to add young starting pitching talent to their minor-league system.

MacDougal might make the Royals slightly better for the next few years... but Burgos, with some more seasoning, can be just as good if not better than MacDougal. Throw in MacDougal's injury history, and it looks even better.

They sold high, here and got good value. Quality lefthanded starters are a valuable commodity. And at least they sold to a team that hasn't fleeced them in the past (i.e. Atlanta, which still could use bullpen help, and Oakland).

[Mecca]

Sometimes you have to trade value to get value......

[FringeNC]

What a great trade...

We got two of Chicago's top pitching prospects...Sickels has them both in the top 20...

[Pitt Gorilla]

Sox fans appear to be quite upset with the trade (Rivals site); it must be a good deal!

[tk13]

Cortes is another of the White Sox top pitching prospects. He's only 19 though, so he won't be in KC any time soon. But long term, these two guys almost immediately become two of our best SP prospects, I imagine. They were both listed on the White Sox website as top pitching prospects.

The people on this White Sox board think they got fleeced actually.

http://mb3.scout.com/fchicagowhitesoxfrm1.showMessage?topicID=2829.topic

[FringeNC]

Cortes is another of the White Sox top pitching prospects. He's only 19 though, so he won't be in KC any time soon. But long term, these two guys almost immediately become two of our best SP prospects, I imagine. They were both listed on the White Sox website as top pitching prospects.

The people on this White Sox board think they got fleeced actually.

http://mb3.scout.com/fchicagowhitesoxfrm1.showMessage?topicID=2829.topic

Our system was so devoid of pitching talent that these two guys might be 1 and 2 as far as prospects go...at worst, 1 and 3 or 4.

[Mecca]

Moore realizes young pitchers who'll be ready in 2 years are alot more valuable than anything on our current roster........that's smart.

[cmh6476]

Our system was so devoid of pitching talent that these two guys might be 1 and 2 as far as prospects go...at worst, 1 and 3 or 4.
luke hochevar words!@#

[grandllamajr]

i think we should keep mac and toss elarton or sweeney for that matter all he does is take our money and then "Hurt" himself

[Eleazar]

We give up:

A 30 year old, 15-pitch reliever who is injury prone and has control problems.

We get:

A 19 year old posting a 4 ERA in A, and a 23 year old posting a sub-3 ERA in AA.


I'll make that trade any day of the week.

[Pitt Gorilla]

We give up:

A 30 year old, 15-pitch reliever who is injury prone and has control problems.

We get:

A 19 year old posting a 4 ERA in A, and a 23 year old posting a sub-3 ERA in AA.


I'll make that trade any day of the week.
Yeah, you're right. They should erect a statue of Moore if he can get value for Sanders, Graff, Stairs, et al.

[keg in kc]

I think it's a great trade. Despite what the some of the talking heads locally are saying, Mac isn't young, and he's always had problems with both control and staying healthy. I'd almost say we took them to the cleaners, but only time'll prove that out.

Starting rotation next April could include Greinke, Hochevar and Lumsden. That's a bit of a change.

Could look a lot like the Tigers rotation a few years back. Young, talented, will lose some as they struggle early, but a bright future.

[FringeNC]

luke hochevar words!@#

Wow, I forgot about Hochevar, but again, he is yet to sign.

[Eleazar]

Yeah, you're right. They should erect a statue of Moore if he can get value for Sanders, Graff, Stairs, et al.

I am going to make royal blue Dayton Moore fan club t-shirts if he can get rid of berroa and affedlt.

[keg in kc]

Dayton Moore is about to come on WHB to talk about the trade.

[tk13]

Pretty good interview. Moore said Lumsden will start in AA, but will have a chance to make the starting rotation in KC next spring. Has three quality pitches. Said his changeup is good, which is why his strikeout totals aren't huge, you expect that to be put in play. Didn't seem concerned about his injury from last year, it was just a "precautionary" move by the White Sox to protect him.

Cortes is a big young guy who throws hard. Moore said he felt comfortable with our bullpen depth, we have a lot of power arms... thinks Burgos can be the closer. Also mentioned Ryan Braun and Leo Nunez in AAA as power arms that'll be in the bullpen someday.

He's probably evaluated this organization pretty well so far... haha. He said one of the biggest keys in developing a pitcher was keeping them healthy. I'm guessing he's noticed our great track record of that.

[petegz28]

for a left-handed prospect that figures to work his way into the starting rotation


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[petegz28]

damn.

I like MacDougal.

He could be a force in the 'pen.

I don't like this move. We spent so long developing him into a good closer, just to roll the dice on another kid, and chances are he doesn't have Mac's stuff.

Plus I just ordered a MacDougal jersey. F*ck!


I agree....I wouldn't of traded Mac either. This move bothers me.

[keg in kc]

I agree....I wouldn't of traded Mac either. This move bothers me.Yeah, he's been a real difference maker this year. I don't see how we can possibly survive without him.

*likes the idea of acquiring something for nothing*

[petegz28]

Yeah, he's been a real difference maker this year. I don't see how we can possibly survive without him.

*likes the idea of acquiring something for nothing*


if anythng the injury to Mac proved Burgos is not a closer

[KChiefs1]

Dayton Moore is Da Man!

[SPchief]

if anythng the injury to Mac proved Burgos is not a closer


Burgos is what 22?? Methinks he will get better with age


EDIT: He turned 23 earlier this year. Still pretty young

[petegz28]

Burgos is what 22?? Methinks he will get better with age


EDIT: He turned 23 earlier this year. Still pretty young


Not if he doesn't get the straight out of his fastball and learn to throw something besides an in the dirt splitter.

[beavis]

I agree....I wouldn't of traded Mac either. This move bothers me.
I wasn't completely sold on it yet. But the fact that you are saying this brings me comfort.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Why is it that whenever the Royals develop a good player they have to trade him off ?

A great half season does not make Mac anything but a flash in the pan. That motion has had injury written on it from day 1. Plus the guy was all over the plate on a given day.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Could look a lot like the Tigers rotation a few years back. Young, talented, will lose some as they struggle early, but a bright future.

That's the first thing that hit me. I'm hoping we have the same result.