Does anyone know why the only Floridians that seemed to have trouble with the ballots

[Pitt Gorilla]

were Democrats? One of the Dem. spin guys thought it was because a lot of Dems. aren't as intelligent as their Rep. counterparts. A Dem. said that!!! I don't know....Just looking for some ideas because it was these people who STARTED this whole mess!!!

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[DaWolf]

The problem was that the punch ballots or the older voting equipment was located in the predominantly democratic districts. Many of the republican districts had the optical scanner machines. It may be en vogue to say those people were stupid, and maybe some were, but you had a lot of older people and first time voters in those districts, and that sometimes leads to confusion...

[jcl-kcfan]

A couple of questions here;

Aren't these HISTORICLY democrat districts?

Aren't they controlled by a democrat election board?

Doesn't the election board determine what ballots and what machines are used for their districts?

Why are they b*tching and moaning about the republicans?

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[47mack]

jcl

Yes, they were designed and approved by the Democrats. The lady that designed the butterfly ballot there (a dem.) is the only one that stood by the ballot. The Dem. that approved the ballot was one of the guys agruing that it was too confusing. The court case should have ended there.

Senator Wexler (I believe he is a Senator) of Florida can also be blame for this mess. He is the one that went on television and said that he witnessed hundreds of voters crying in the parking lots because they knew that they messed up there ballot and ment to vote for Gore.

How sickening. The best thing Florida can do to make themselves look better after all this is impeach the FL. Justices (all the grounds, facts and support is there) and vote Wexler out.

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[wutamess]

It's not that the democrats or dumb... It's that GOP's candidate was at the TOP of the ballet. PRetty hard to phuck up that pick "at the top".

If it was the other way around then republicans would be crying bloody murder also.

my $.02

[Spott]

I don't think it has anything to do with who designed the ballots or their political affiliation. Plain & simple, there are just a lot of stupid people who can't follow simple instructions. Voting isn't rocket science.

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[redfan]

Maybe its because the gov is Dubyas bro! This whole thing has had a fishy flavor to me because of that. Things that make you go hmmmmm...<BR>

[Duck Dog]

Redhead, GWB's brother kept himself out of the process.

Mizzou, you my friend, have said it best. I like 'to the point' attitudes.

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Shoot 'em in the lips

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[Mosbonian]

Roger:

Here's your change from your .02 worth....

If someone is SO STUPID that they "just punch the one at the top" because it is the first one there, then they don't deserve the right to vote.

If all the "first time" voters were truly Democrat, and they were there mostly because of the heavy push by the Democratic Party, then the Dems have only themselves to blame for the problems of the "uneducated voter".

If I have a new employee I never just sit them down in front of a computer and say " here ya' go, have at it". First we have a manual with sample screens showing step by step instructions of how to proceed. Then we actually walk them through the whole process from start to finish to ensure they know what they are doing.

Your new voter is no different than a new employee(especially in Wisconsin where they were paid cigarettes to vote). If you are going to ask them to the dance, then for goodness sakes teach them the 2-step.

mark
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[Mosbonian]

redhed:

If you think that Florida was just "randomly" picked to be the state put front and center in this crisis, then you are naive'.

The Dems have known of the problems with ballots being tossed out in previous elections due to improper voting, and knew if the election was close Fl. was the place to fight.

mark
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any election with a Daley involved should be monitored closely

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[The_Grand_Illusion]

Pat Caddell, a liberal Democrat statistition, said it best on MSNBC last night. He said that we could have avoided this whole mess if the Florida Supreme Court would have decided to hand-count the whole state with the same standards in each county the FIRST time this case was brought up to them. Instead they decided to be partisen and give an edge to Gore by letting the Dems hand-count in a few Dem counties with different counting standards.

That is what the Supreme Court found constitutional problems with by a vote of 7-2.

TGI

Even though Pat Caddell is a liberal Democrat, he is very objective.<BR>

[Clint in Wichita]

MSNBC is a member of the liberal media. Don't believe anything they report. That guy's comments, and possibly the entire interview, were probably altered using computer animation.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Clint,

Make fun of that all you want. Pat Caddell has been very interesting to listen too. Especially since he is a self-proclaimed liberal Democrat. Objectivety is very rare among the liberals.

TGI<BR>

[Clint in Wichita]

That's why I don't believe it. He's probably just some three-dimensional image created with a computer.

[58Forever]

Kind of like Gore and Dubya....

[Clint in Wichita]

Gore & Bush? Three dimensions? Yeah, right.

I've seen more depth in an installment of the "Maniac Cop" series.

[The_Grand_Illusion]

Clint,

That's wishful thinking to say that.

I should have said liberal objectivity in the media is rare. I do know some liberals that can be objective. You're talking to someone who used to be a democrat so I can relate to what Pat Caddell says.

TGI<BR>

[Snapper]

Amen Mark K.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joe Seahawk]

Thr Real voting standard...

http://www.pushback.com/justice/votefraud/instruct.gif

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[Mosbonian]

Joe:

We used the very same system here in SC and everyone's vote was counted.

What is amazing there is the warning at the bottom of the ballot that very few people ever notice, until now.

BTW, did anyone see that story of the election that happened in that little town in Michigan(I think that was where it was at). The vote came up as a tie after recounts and the tie was settled by drawing a slip the read either "ELECTED" or "NOT ELECTED".

After the drawing both candidates shook hands and left with no ill feelings.

Don't you wish that they all happened that way.

mmaddog
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[Pitt Gorilla]

My college algebra students would have understood THESE instructions. Remove the darn chips!!! It's that easy!!!

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[Pitt Gorilla]

For all of the morons holding up the "count the votes" signs, the votes WERE counted. You know, if the instructions were followed, there would be no reason for a recount. I mean, who ARE these people who can't understand? I hate to sound like an elitist, but, should their vote count if they can't follow SIMPLE instructions? I mean, they read like a Dick and Jane book.

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