Colts vs. Patriots SNF Game Thread

[tk13]

Time for the annual battle. Manning vs. Brady. Colts vs. Pats, John Madden vs. John Madden. After today's action, probably the game for the title of best team in the NFL right now.

[007]

Beat ya to it.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=151466

[Bowser]

Is it wrong to watch just to see if both QB's end up with their heads on backwards?

[VonneMarie]

For some reason, I really don't give a crap about this game.

[the Talking Can]

watching Belicheck own Manning never gets old...

[Easy 6]

watching Belicheck own Manning never gets old...

I heard Manning has to go babysit Bills kids after the games so him & his wife can go celebrate. He's not allowed to have friends over to play video games either.

[2112]

watching Belicheck own Manning never gets old...
He only owns him in the postseason..redneck(manning) always comes up big when it counts the least..I expect him to have a big game..

[007]

Has anybody else noticed that NBC carries more red in their signal? It is really kind of annoying.

[Basileus777]

Bill Belichick is the smartest hobo I've ever seen.

And we have a Bradyception.

[Bob Dole]

Tom Terrific with the INT!

Guess letting Collinsworth blow him before the game was a bad idea.

[Mr. Laz]

his foot got hit ...... he was down in the endzone



bellichek just missed a challenge

[Basileus777]

New England is killing the Colties on the ground and the first throw they make gets picked off in the end zone. I love it :)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Rodney Harrison down after Peyton Vick scrambles outside like a double amputee and hits Harrison for the big gainer.

Any injury Harrison gets is warranted, IMO. That guy is so damned dirty he's got a 10 year run of "My name is Earl" to make up for all the bad karma he's accumulated.

[Basileus777]

Manning shows the Vick-like skills

[Coach]

TD Colts.

[Basileus777]

The Patriots might want to cover Harrison.

[Easy 6]

Ya know...I USED to be a John Cougar fan but the guys at Chevy marketing have killed it. Its taken on "Head-On" levels of insanity :banghead:

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Manning helping out my fantasy team.

That Stephen Jackson, Fred Taylor, Roy Williams trade for Peyton, Todd Heap, and Muhsin Muhammad is looking better for me all the time. :thumb:

(It's a weird league with two RB's, Two WR's and two WR/RB slots, one TE, One QB, DEF, K, D lineman and D Back)

[2112]

The Patriots might want to cover Harrison.
It's not a playoff game..so redneck is on fire as usual

[Bob Dole]

The officials must be confused. Nobody but KC gets flagged for taunting like that.

[the Talking Can]

He only owns him in the postseason..redneck(manning) always comes up big when it counts the least..I expect him to have a big game..

you may be right....

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'm sorry Belichick, but if you don't trust your kicker from that distance, you need to cut the mf.

[the Talking Can]

Brass Balls

4th and 3...nice

[tk13]

I'm sorry Belichick, but if you don't trust your kicker from that distance, you need to cut the mf.
I think he was more afraid of falling down 14-3.

[Bob Dole]

Did you see the way Tom Brady handed that ball off?

Wow. Just wow.

Tom's terrificness is only surpassed by Peyton's laser-rocket arminess.

[NUMBER7]

Great drive by the Pats.

[headsnap]

Ya know...I USED to be a John Cougar fan but the guys at Chevy marketing have killed it. Its taken on "Head-On" levels of insanity :banghead:
Like a ROCK!!!!!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I think he was more afraid of falling down 14-3.

He's done it all season. He has 0 faith in that guy.

[2112]

He's done it all season. He has 0 faith in that guy.
Thats not why..BB knows he has to score TD's against redneck tonight to win..especially the way he's throwing the ball..he's on fire right now..

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Thats not why..BB knows he has to score TD's against redneck tonight to win..especially the way he's throwing the ball..he's on fire right now..

It's not the strategy I'm critiquing it's the absence of faith in his kicker and the message it sends to his defense.

I have no prob with that in the second half...on the second drive it sends a definite message to your D. I mean, if you have that little faith in them, just onside kick it every time after you score.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Terrence Wilkins jus got run down by a D lineman....wow.

[dj56dt58]

uhh..block in the back maybe??

[Direckshun]

What do you guys think -- is Laurence Maroney the real deal?

Or do you think he's just benefitting from a powerful New England passing game?

[dj56dt58]

they were both goin for the ball and ran into eachtoher..the calls the colts and broncos get and the stuff they get away with pisses me off

[dj56dt58]

see how the pats disguise their blitzes? Gunther?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Maroney is a badass. He's the real deal. I still can't believe he didn't go to Missouri, being from St. Louis. F*cking Missouri recruiting :banghead:

['Hamas' Jenkins]

These New England fans are classless. Booing a guy who kicked 3 SB winning FG's for them, and then chanting bullshit when they get a f*cking break on a call.

[Simplex3]

WTF? Why are they sucking Bellichick's c**k and not throwing that f**king flag? The NFLWWE is in full effect.

[Simplex3]

Do head coaches have to stay between certain yard markers on the sideline?
Yeah, that painted area on the sidelines. The entire team has to stay in there. I'm not sure the yardage markers the ends of that fall on.

[2112]

These New England fans are classless. Booing a guy who kicked 3 SB winning FG's for them, and then chanting bullshit when they get a f*cking break on a call.
:clap: :clap:

They have no loyalties

[tk13]

Do head coaches have to stay between certain yard markers on the sideline?
Yeah, they're supposed to... you can see the lines marked off on the sideline area. I think it's between the 30's?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

HOW THE F*CK can you boo this guy the NE Front Office screwed his ass

[Simplex3]

Man, boo a guy that single-handedly gave you two Super Bowl trophies. Representing the East coast well, Pats fans.

:shake:

[cdcox]

Wow, what a homer play by the ref.

[Bob Dole]

Winter is on the payroll. JEsus.

[Simplex3]

WWFL in total effect. No f**king way that's a 1st down. His momentum was stopped several times.

[BucEyedPea]

:clap: :clap:

They have no loyalties

You mean some of the players have no loyalties?
Gee, he did promise to allow the Pats to match the deal and then he renegged.
Seems he deserves some dissin'...but it's about 50% of the fans...not all of them. They're divided. Anyhow if it dsitracts him why not...he's the enemy now.

[Simplex3]

Winter is going to f**k the Colts for the 3rd time.

[siberian khatru]

It's shit like that that makes me think the NFL is fixed.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You mean some of the players have no loyalties?
Gee, he did promise to allow the Pats to match the deal and then he renegged.
Seems he deserves some dissin'...but it's about 50% of the fans...not all of them. They're divided. Anyhow if it dsitracts him why not...he's the enemy now.

BULLF*CK!

No less a Pats fan than Bill Simmons himself mentioned the Front Office's ineptitude regarding this, because they purposely lowballed him.

[cdcox]

ROFL

[the Talking Can]

Brady wasn't even close


big screw job

[KCFalcon59]

I like NE, but that was a terrible terrible call.

[Frazod]

Damn, that's bent. But anything that f#cks Manning works for me.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wow, the NFL should be embarrassed with the f*cking jackasses they trot out to officiate their games.

[Reerun_KC]

Just complete BS.. Kind of like the hosing Minnesota got last week...

[Simplex3]

Well, the NFL is going to either fix this or they're going to start seeing a decline in their viewership. I know I only watched about 4 1/2 hours today instead of my usual 12.

[2112]

You mean some of the players have no loyalties?
Gee, he did promise to allow the Pats to match the deal and then he renegged.
Seems he deserves some dissin'...but it's about 50% of the fans...not all of them. They're divided. Anyhow if it dsitracts him why not...he's the enemy now.
I was talking about the fans not having loyalty for someone who started the whole ball rolling..that kick in the snow against the Raiders, is still the greatest clutch kick I have ever seen..it started the whole dynasty..

I use bill parcells as a user name..I dont care what he is doing now with the Cowboys..but he saved the franchise from the ravages of Kotite..he was the only coach at that time and place that could have done it..I still here people hating Parcells on my Jet board for leaving after 1999..and I just dont get it..

same scenario here

[BucEyedPea]

BULLF*CK!

No less a Pats fan than Bill Simmons himself mentioned the Front Office's ineptitude regarding this, because they purposely lowballed him.
Nice language. I followed the whole thing. It was not a big difference in the end moneywise. Vinateiri wanted out PERIOD. He was unhappy with the franchise tag earlier. He wanted to go out playing in a dome too. He even said so.

Besides, he was cheered at the beginning tonight.

[BucEyedPea]

I was talking about the fans not having loyalty for someone who started the whole ball rolling..that kick in the snow against the Raiders, is still the greatest clutch kick I have ever seen..it started the whole dynasty..

I use bill parcells as a user name..I dont care what he is doing now with the Cowboys..but he saved the franchise from the ravages of Kotite..he was the only coach at that time and place that could have done it..I still here people hating Parcells on my Jet board for leaving after 1999..and I just dont get it..

same scenario here


Adam was cheered tonight at the start. What does anyone expect once the game is goin' in their own stadium? Silence? He's now the enemy. At that point any distraction any noise to try to win is fair game.

[chagrin]

You guys are spending way too much on a non issue, until that guy kicks a bowl winning field goal for Peyton - it doesn't matter.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Nice language. I followed the whole thing. It was not a big difference in the end moneywise. Vinateiri wanted out PERIOD. He was unhappy with the franchise tag earlier. He wanted to go out playing in a dome too. He even said so.

Besides, he was cheered at the beginning tonight.

They could have signed him for a deal equivalent to his worth as a money kicker for them. They treated him like dog shit. They didn't have to tag him. The Patriots are a very efficient franchise, but they treat their players like absolute dog shit. It's hard to like a team that pisses on the players who put their bodies on the line like that.

[chagrin]

I am so happy Dallas lost

[cdcox]

Ocho choking back the tears.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I was talking about the fans not having loyalty for someone who started the whole ball rolling..that kick in the snow against the Raiders, is still the greatest clutch kick I have ever seen..it started the whole dynasty..

I use bill parcells as a user name..I dont care what he is doing now with the Cowboys..but he saved the franchise from the ravages of Kotite..he was the only coach at that time and place that could have done it..I still here people hating Parcells on my Jet board for leaving after 1999..and I just dont get it..

same scenario here

Here's the difference: Jeff Suppan signs with the Yankees, comes back to Busch for interleague. I guaranf*ckingtee he gets a standing ovation. If we booed him I'd want to hand in my Cardinal fan status. These NE fans think they are entitled to success and they piss all over the greatest clutch player in the history of their franchise as soon as they have a chance.

[chagrin]

Ocho choking back the tears.

That was hilarious. I love when it's week 8, it's when the men start to seperate themselves from the boys (Cowboys, heh) Teams are starting to wear down, others starting to pick it up, KC enjoying a win streak - weeks 8-16 to me seem to be the most exciting, to me anyway. It was a weird day of games today.

[BucEyedPea]

They could have signed him for a deal equivalent to his worth as a money kicker for them. They treated him like dog shit. They didn't have to tag him. The Patriots are a very efficient franchise, but they treat their players like absolute dog shit. It's hard to like a team that pisses on the players who put their bodies on the line like that.
Pats will not overpay for certain positions period. That's their system and it's worked. He's only a kicker. Yes he's clutch but he was also put into those positions by Belichick too. His last season he lost about 5 yards off his kicke and started missin' too. BB didn't use him as much in certain situation like long kicks to work around it. This is a team sport. They WILL pay certain players and positions like Seymour. It must WORK as they've been a proven playoff team.

Fact is someone in the Boston press analyzed his endorsements over time in NE as a legend. He would have made more.

[Coach]

Why is Collinsworth even employed?

Sonofabitch just should be fired and should be working at McDonalds. F**king bastard doesn't even know what the f**k he's babbling about.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Ocho choking back the tears.

I like the fact that he cares. That guy could play for me anyday. That's the difference between Chad and TO. TO doesn't give a f*ck what his team does, he just wants the stats. Chad clearly cares about the team's success.

[Simplex3]

Well, they've shown this game how many freaking times now? Not a highlight from about half the games, but we've seen this thing half a dozen times.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Pats will not overpay for certain positions period. That's their system and it's worked. He's only a kicker. Yes he's clutch but he was also put into those positions by Belichick too. His last season he lost about 5 yards off his kicke and started missin' too. BB didn't use him as much in certain situation like long kicks to work around it. This is a team sport. They WILL pay certain players and positions like Seymour. It must WORK as they've been a proven playoff team.

Fact is someone in the Boston press analyzed his endorsements over time in NE as a legend. He would have made more.

You have 0 super bowls with a regular kicker in his place. 0.

[Reerun_KC]

I like the fact that he cares. That guy could play for me anyday. That's the difference between Chad and TO. TO doesn't give a f*ck what his team does, he just wants the stats. Chad clearly cares about the team's success.


agreed.

[chagrin]

Why is Collinsworth even employed?

Sonofabitch just should be fired and should be working at McDonalds. F**king bastard doesn't even know what the f**k he's babbling about.

If I'm not mistaken, but I think he is, or was, a practicing attorney as well, creepy eh? I'm no buceyedpea, but even I know that guy is a hack!

[2112]

Here's the difference: Jeff Suppan signs with the Yankees, comes back to Busch for interleague. I guaranf*ckingtee he gets a standing ovation. If we booed him I'd want to hand in my Cardinal fan status. These NE fans think they are entitled to success and they piss all over the greatest clutch player in the history of their franchise as soon as they have a chance.
Dude..they kept Carl Yastremski away from all events at fenway until the red sox won the world series in 2004..because he was known as the picture of their futility over the years..then..after they win it all in 2004,he is welcomed back with open arms???

Pathetic

[BucEyedPea]

These NE fans think they are entitled to success and they piss all over the greatest clutch player in the history of their franchise as soon as they have a chance.

Quit overgeneralizing, overlooking the intro cheers and passing judgement. The fans are divided. Look at some of the signs that were held up earlier in the stadium wishing Vinateiri well. It's not everybody.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Quit overgeneralizing, overlooking the intro cheers and passing judgement. The fans are divided. Look at some of the signs that were held up earlier in the stadium wishing Vinateiri well. It's not everybody.

No, just clearly audible boos every time he steps out onto the field. The least you could do is treat him like any other not Vanderjagt kicker. Don't do anything when he comes out. But what do those trolls do? They boo. Those fans don't deserve the success they've had

[Garcia Bronco]

i'd booo him too

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Dude..they kept Carl Yastremski away from all events at fenway until the red sox won the world series in 2004..because he was known as the picture of their futility over the years..then..after they win it all in 2004,he is welcomed back with open arms???

Pathetic

Funny how Buckner was only welcomed back afterwards....

Funny that after years of futility, after the Cardinals opened the gates of Busch to let 1,000 of their fans in for free and they run Jimmy Fallon and Drew "Saddlebags" Barrymore out onto the field to celebrate/desecrate.

Boston fans run neck and neck with Philly as the scum of the sports earth.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

i'd booo him too

You also cheered John Elway. You have no credibility.

[cdcox]

Players can't expect loyalty when they switch theirs for the $. That's part of what they gave up when the $ became almighty.

[Coach]

Not so clutch.

[cdcox]

Speak of the devil.

[the Talking Can]

well well well

[BucEyedPea]

LMAO! I love it. Thanks for the karma Hamas! :)

[Garcia Bronco]

You also cheered John Elway. You have no credibility.
I can't hear you...the Super Bowl trophies were too loud

[Coach]

Let's say, general speaking of course, that if Tony Gonzo doesn't get his contract and goes to a different team, and that Tony's new team comes to KC, would you boo him after those years for KC?

[the Talking Can]

fumble, but the Colts player was down by contact...no TD

[tk13]

Big call coming up here. I couldn't tell if he got the ball out of Dillon's hands or not.

[siberian khatru]

Big call coming up here. I couldn't tell if he got the ball out of Dillon's hands or not.

I agree with TC. Even if it's a fumble, I think he's down by contact.

[the Talking Can]

replay shows the knee down, imho

not a fumble

[Simplex3]

Big call coming up here. I couldn't tell if he got the ball out of Dillon's hands or not.
It was a fumble but it was close enough that they can give it to NE.

But DON'T?!?!?!

[KCFalcon59]

No fumble. But I guess it is make up for the blown call earlier.

[the Talking Can]

well, I was right the first time....though I think the replay showed his knee down...makes up for the 4th and 1 call I guess

[BucEyedPea]

Dodged a bullet...but really Pats not doing well in TOs which doesn't bode well.
They don't seem to be in Pay-me-a-ton's face like they usually are when they beat Indy. Not good.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Dodged a bullet...but really Pats not doing well in TOs which doesn't bode well.
They don't seem to be in Pay-me-a-ton's face like they usually are when they beat Indy. Not good.

Well, they are only going to get pressure through the blitz, which is a risky proposition against Manning. I guess they have decided to die a slow death tonight.

[Simplex3]

Keep barking Seau. You're losing, but keep barking like an idiot.

[siberian khatru]

That's a catch.

[tk13]

That is a catch. That was amazing. Harrison is the man.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That was an unreal catch.

[cdcox]

Harrison might be the second best reciever I've seen.

[KCinNY]

Keep barking Seau. You're losing, but keep barking like an idiot.

Jeezus, the guy's pushing 40 and he still jumps around like a moron.

[siberian khatru]

Harrison might be the second best reciever I've seen.

Behind Lake Dawson?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Keep barking Seau. You're losing, but keep barking like an idiot.

Typical Junior, running his mouth while his team is getting the f*ck whipped out of them.

[Mecca]

Harrison got a taunting penalty.....won't see that often.

[cdcox]

Behind Lake Dawson?

As if,




Snoop Minis.

[BucEyedPea]

Well, they are only going to get pressure through the blitz, which is a risky proposition against Manning. I guess they have decided to die a slow death tonight.
Well that's what they've done in the past to beat him, including in the Championship game. They had him so frustrated he stomped off the field angry. It worked.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Well that's what they've done in the past to beat him, including in the Championship game. They had him so frustrated he stomped off the field angry. It worked.

They also had Willie McGinest to blitz and Ty Law to cover in the secondary. Those are hard losses to replace.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

As if,




Snoop Minis.

Sean LaChappelle

[JBucc]

This Brady guy sucks. Put that USC kid in.

[Basileus777]

The Patriots need to go back to the run.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Big kick there by the rookie.

[Basileus777]

Big break for the Pats...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wow...Wilkins lays it on the turf. New Englad gets a huge break there.

[tk13]

It's hard to believe that you have two 7-0 teams coming into today. One just committed their 5th turnover of the season... the other has committed 6 turnovers in a game... twice.

[Simplex3]

NFLWWE is now engaged to keep the game close.

[Simplex3]

The Colts just got F**KED A-G-A-I-N

[JBucc]

That was ugly.

[Basileus777]

Madden:

"When Bob Sander's comes; he comes fast." :)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It's hard to believe that you have two 7-0 teams coming into today. One just committed their 5th turnover of the season... the other has committed 6 turnovers in a game... twice.

Well...we that second team had played Green Bay, Minnesota, Arizona, Buffalo, Detroit, San Fran, and a Shaun Alexander-less Seattle before today. That sked is a a fuggin joke.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Madden:

"When Bob Sander's comes; he comes fast." :)

I thought it was when he comes, he really comes; either way, it's awesome. It would have been better if he called Sanders the Peter North of the NFL.

[Coach]

Damn. Ron Winters crew has to be a very flag-happy crew ever in this league.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Damn. Ron Winters crew has to be a very flag-happy crew ever in this league.

It's Hochuli-esque.

[Coach]

Manning picked off!

[cdcox]

Smack Manning around a few times, he gets happy feet and throws a pick.

[Frazod]

St. Manning with the immaculate interception. nlm

[FAX]

I think he wiggled his butt a little too much on that throw.

FAX

[Coach]

It's Hochuli-esque.

No kidding. 13 flags thrown, and that's not including the ones that were declined, which that number would have been higher. Probably in excess of 20.

And some of the penalties were badly called by this crew.

[KurtCobain]

damn pats got the ball back.

[Basileus777]

Bradyception.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Tom Brady got....JACKED UP

And whoever said it was right...Brady now has 3 INT's and 0 TD's.

[VonneMarie]

There's Bradys' 3rd INT. ROFL

[JBucc]

Bradytipperception!

[Frazod]

And Tom Terrific stinks it up again.

[ccsells]

God dog - this is why I love the planet.

[007]

Damn, the Brady blowjob is over.

[JBucc]

When I thought of this game, one of the scenario's that went through my head was Vinatieri missing a FG with the Colts down by 2 with 3 seconds left. That would be quite humorous.

[Basileus777]

This is a sloppy game.

[VonneMarie]

Quick, somebody get me the winning lottery numbers and wish for a Chiefs SB victory. :)

[tk13]

Geez, can somebody please throw it to the right colored jersey?

[BucEyedPea]

This is a sloppy game.
Sure is. Too many mistakes. Stupid Colvin. That was huge and unecessary by him.

[Mecca]

I think the Colts are finally going to prove this year you can make a Superbowl with a bad defense......provided your offense has 3 unstoppable players.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I think if the draft was held again Maroney would go in the top 5 and Bush would be a third rounder.

[cdcox]

I think the Colts are finally going to prove this year you can make a Superbowl with a bad defense......provided your offense has 3 unstoppable players.

They have to get beyond their playoff chokatude first. Manning and Dungy is a lot of mojo to over come.

[Mecca]

I think if the draft was held again Maroney would go in the top 5 and Bush would be a third rounder.

I think you are high........Reggie Bush doesn't have jaw dropping stats but if you watch a Saints game you'll see what he does for them. They can fake him the ball and the entire defense will start to move and open things up. He is valuable to them for many reasons.

[Mecca]

They have to get beyond their playoff chokatude first. Manning and Dungy is a lot of mojo to over come.

The AFC is down this year from what it was so I think they have a pretty good shot of doing it this year.

[Chiefaholic]

Why are the refs not calling false start against Manning and his O-Line?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I think you are high........Reggie Bush doesn't have jaw dropping stats but if you watch a Saints game you'll see what he does for them. They can fake him the ball and the entire defense will start to move and open things up. He is valuable to them for many reasons.

Reggie Bush is Dave Meggett. Nothing more, nothing less. People key on him because they think he's important, not because he really is, and the 3rd round comment was obvious hyperbole....nevertheless, if teams actually looked at what a player could contribute rather than his hype he would have slid way down the board.

[Mecca]

Reggie Bush is Dave Meggett. Nothing more, nothing less. People key on him because they think he's important, not because he really is, and the 3rd round comment was obvious hyperbole....nevertheless, if teams actually looked at what a player could contribute rather than his hype he would have slid way down the board.

Keep telling yourself that........he's part of the reason the Saints are a much better team this year.

I like how he's playing injured but hey he sucks right?

The Meggett comparison is frankly laughable in every way, other than they both return/returned punts.

[Coach]

Hahahahhahaha...

Missed wide right!

[cdcox]

LMAO

[Demonpenz]

reggie bush would be the best reciever on the chiefs if he signed with us. Bush is marshell faulk with a second gear that is crazy.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

And Vinatieri misses twice.

Here's my prediction, NE scores to tie the game, Vinatieri kicks the game winner in OT.

[tk13]

No good! LMAO

[Mecca]

HAHA......Brady picked off again.

[cdcox]

The Planet was wrong. 4 INTS.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

ROFL ROFL....Brady.....my prediction was off, but I'll gladly take being wrong to watch the golden boy fall apart.

[Coach]

Wow...

Brady is picked off for the 4th time.

That's gonna be the ballgame.

[VonneMarie]

Braderception! ROFL

Game, set, match.

[Mecca]

Maybe the Brady jizz fest can end now.

[Frazod]

Jesus. What an ugly game. If this is the best the league has to offer, the league has serious issues. :shake:

[tk13]

Colts just clinched home field, again. Let the fun begin.

[JBucc]

I wish Brady would hawk a big wet loogey in his hand right before shaking with Mangina.

[Mecca]

I wish Brady would hawk a big wet loogey in his hand right before shaking with Mangina.

I still find Brady more annoying than Manning.....

[tk13]

Jesus. What an ugly game. If this is the best the league has to offer, the league has serious issues. :shake:
People laugh, the Chiefs have a shot. Just look at the watered down Super Bowl last year. The key is to just get in the playoffs, give yourself a chance. Look at all the "best" teams that played today. Chicago turned the ball over 6 times (and it wasn't the first time they did it), Indy and New England both looked sloppy, the Giants barely beat the Texans, the Falcons flopped, Chargers let the Browns hang around far too long. There isn't a dominant team right now. Really the Colts are the closest thing... and nobody trusts them in January.

[KCFalcon59]

Reggie Bush hasn't done shit. He has a punt return that is all. He is averaging 3 yds a carry rushing and almost 7 receiving. No td's. That's a contribution? I expected him to make an impact. He has not.

[Mecca]

Reggie Bush hasn't done shit. He has a punt return that is all. He is averaging 3 yds a carry rushing and almost 7 receiving. No td's. That's a contribution. I expected him to make an impact. He has not.

Are you one of those guys that picked him in fantasy football thinking he'd put up 1500/500 and 10?

[L.A. Chieffan]

fock it. brady might get over exposure but peyton gets WAAAAAAAAAAY too much play. i was hoping the pats could pull it off just to see that pissed off whiney face manning always makes when things go wrong

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Are you one of those guys that picked him in fantasy football thinking he'd put up 1500/500 and 10?

A running back that goes #2 in the draft should be able to get you 1200 yards rushing. Given that he's not a pure running back, he should at least give them 1500 yards from scrimmage to justify that draft pick.

[KCFalcon59]

Are you one of those guys that picked him in fantasy football thinking he'd put up 1500/500 and 10?

I picked him up late. Thought he would at least score once in a while.

[Mecca]

A running back that goes #2 in the draft should be able to get you 1200 yards rushing. Given that he's not a pure running back, he should at least give them 1500 yards from scrimmage to justify that draft pick.

Not when they give more carries to the other back....because they're busy lining Bush up at WR half the time because Devery Henderson isn't that great.....and then using him as a decoy to get things open.

[Eleazar]

Reggie Bush hasn't done shit. He has a punt return that is all. He is averaging 3 yds a carry rushing and almost 7 receiving. No td's. That's a contribution. I expected him to make an impact. He has not.

You mean 11 carries for -5 yards isn't good?

I thought he would make more of a difference, but the Saints are playing well and spreading the ball around, and Bush just hasn't. He's got zero touchdowns on offense and hasn't accounted for 100 yards since week 1. I wonder what the deal is.

[Mecca]

Does everyone think Chad Johnson sucks now also?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I picked him up late. Thought he would at least score once in a while.

I'm playing in a league with RB and WR/RB slots, so a lot of people have 4 or 5 RBs. I have him as my 4th/5th RB (Behind Portis, Chester Taylor, Droughns, Mike Bell)...even there, he has sucked ass. I'm not holding that against the guy though, he's just not that good. Everyone is fast in the NFL, and Bush isn't ANYWHERE near Marshall Faulk's league. Whoever said that needs to have his head screwed on straight.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Not when they give more carries to the other back....because they're busy lining Bush up at WR half the time because Devery Henderson isn't that great.....and then using him as a decoy to get things open.

Joe Horn and Colston are their WRs. Conwell plays TE. Henderson doesn't see the field that much.

[2112]

Does everyone think Chad Johnson sucks now also?
I have to admit..I thought he was going to be a factor this year..

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Does everyone think Chad Johnson sucks now also?

Chad Johnson actually has produced on the NFL level....

[Mecca]

I'm playing in a league with RB and WR/RB slots, so a lot of people have 4 or 5 RBs. I have him as my 4th/5th RB (Behind Portis, Chester Taylor, Droughns, Mike Bell)...even there, he has sucked ass. I'm not holding that against the guy though, he's just not that good. Everyone is fast in the NFL, and Bush isn't ANYWHERE near Marshall Faulk's league. Whoever said that needs to have his head screwed on straight.

He has that kind of talent........you have to realize the Saints aren't an overly talented great team. Their Oline is below average at best. There's a reason they picked 2nd last year. They have a good record somehow because when you see them they don't look that good......

He has Faulk type of talent and may end up as that sort of player but no he's not that right now....probably partially him adjusting to the league and the Saints not having that much else either.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Not when they give more carries to the other back....because they're busy lining Bush up at WR half the time because Devery Henderson isn't that great.....and then using him as a decoy to get things open.

Jesus, now Reggie Bush is a pro bowl offensive lineman because he opens up everything. Deuce McAllister is a pro bowl RB...everyone forgets this. That offense has weapons, but none of them are named Bush.

[L.A. Chieffan]

i hate to say that i agree with mecca about anything, but it's a little early just to go into 'bush is a bust and forget it just cut him now' mode

[Mecca]

Jesus, now Reggie Bush is a pro bowl offensive lineman because he opens up everything. Deuce McAllister is a pro bowl RB...everyone forgets this. That offense has weapons, but none of them are named Bush.

If you really think Reggie Bush does nothing for that team you just look at their stat sheet and that's about it........

Anyway jumping on if players suck or not in their first year is short sighted it usually takes 3 years........take a look at Reggie Williams down in Jacksonville he's productive after 2 years of everyone saying he sucked.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

He has that kind of talent........you have to realize the Saints aren't an overly talented great team. Their Oline is below average at best. There's a reason they picked 2nd last year. They have a good record somehow because when you see them they don't look that good......

He has Faulk type of talent and may end up as that sort of player but no he's not that right now....probably partially him adjusting to the league and the Saints not having that much else either.

Drew Brees Pro Bowl QB
Joe Horn Pro Bowl WR
Deuce McAllister Pro Bowl HB
Colston Offensive ROY at this point.

Mecca: F*cking idiot. You have no clue what you are talking about.

They picked #2 b/c their QB was Aaron Brooks and McAllister shredded his knee, not b/c their O-line sucks.

[Mecca]

Drew Brees Pro Bowl QB
Joe Horn Pro Bowl WR
Deuce McAllister Pro Bowl HB
Colston Offensive ROY at this point.

Mecca: F*cking idiot. You have no clue what you are talking about.

.......McAllister was a Pro Bowler 2 years ago, now he's back from his torn ACL......

Joe Horn is an over 30 WR who's still good but isn't the top 5 WR in the league he was a few years ago.

Colston has been a very solid surprise for them....

And Brees is a good game manager QB he isn't going to do anything great....by the way who's blocking for these guys they don't have a good Oline.

[Eleazar]

Jeez. The amount of excuse-making here is just insane. To say the Saints don't have any talent when they are a top 10 offense and a respectable defense too, and sitting on a 6-2 record... well, that does something for your credibility.

[ChiefsCountry]

Mecca: F*cking idiot. You have no clue what you are talking about.

They picked #2 b/c their QB was Aaron Brooks and McAllister shredded his knee, not b/c their O-line sucks.

Also they were kind of in shambles last year with Katrina forcing them to go around the country.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

.......McAllister was a Pro Bowler 2 years ago, now he's back from his torn ACL......

Joe Horn is an over 30 WR who's still good but isn't the top 5 WR in the league he was a few years ago.

Colston has been a very solid surprise for them....

And Brees is a good game manager QB he isn't going to do anything great....by the way who's blocking for these guys they don't have a good Oline.

Yeah because Brees isn't in the top 5 for QB touchdowns over the last 2 1/2 seasons or anything. That guy is a f*cking bum.

Deuce is tearing it up this year, and Joe Horn came on before he tweaked his groin and he had been lights out in NO....So first you say that Bush makes all these players good, and then when I point to their past success you say they suck.

At least you're not contradicting yourself ROFL

[Mecca]

Jeez. The amount of excuse-making here is just insane. To say the Saints don't have any talent when they are a top 10 offense and a respectable defense too, and sitting on a 6-2 record... well, that does something for your credibility.

Like saying Reggie Bush sucks when he's played half a season?

I think it's funny the absolute hate this guy draws.....you'd think he bitch slapped some peoples moms or something.

[Eleazar]

Yeah because Brees isn't in the top 5 for QB touchdowns over the last 2 1/2 seasons or anything. That guy is a f*cking bum.

Deuce is tearing it up this year, and Joe Horn came on before he tweaked his groin and he had been lights out in NO....So first you say that Bush makes all these players good, and then when I point to their past success you say they suck.

At least you're not contradicting yourself ROFL

Whatever dude. As soon as Reggie Jesus joined the team, they all repented of their past suckage and went from being lowly saints to Reggie's apostles with super powers.

[Mecca]

I'll be the first one to say Reggie Bush needs a line and good blocking to make plays he's mostly speed if guys get up on him really fast he's not going to shed tackles like McAllister who's about 30lbs heavier than he is.

[Bowser]

Allriiiiight! A Mecca pile on!

USC SUCKS!!!

[Mecca]

Allriiiiight! A Mecca pile on!

USC SUCKS!!!

ROFL

It's cool, I just think some people were expecting more out of Bush than he really was due to ESPN's hype machine. Bush is an unbelieable talent but he's impatient and basically all speed it's going to take time for him to be that player.

In college he didn't have to worry about it because even against the top competition he was on a whole nother level.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'll be the first one to say Reggie Bush needs a line and good blocking to make plays he's mostly speed if guys get up on him really fast he's not going to shed tackles like McAllister who's about 30lbs heavier than he is.

Then why...WHY would you spend a #2 pick on a guy like that when you could draft a franchise LT??

[Mecca]

Then why...WHY would you spend a #2 pick on a guy like that when you could draft a franchise LT??

Personally I don't think Fergusons a franchise LT.......he's a little light, and after that senior bowl.

They went for the most talented guy overall. But like I said it will take Bush some time to become that player.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Personally I don't think Fergusons a franchise LT.......he's a little light, and after that senior bowl.

They went for the most talented guy overall. But like I said it will take Bush some time to become that player.

11 carries for -5 makes Mike Cloud look like Barry Sanders.

[Mecca]

11 carries for -5 makes Mike Cloud look like Barry Sanders.

Of course the Tampa 2 completely negates Reggie Bush's strength....so yea he's going to look really bad against a defense that gets to the edge.

He's not a good between the tackles runner at this point, he's not patient. It'll take him some time, but the talent is there.

[Basileus777]

He's been worse than anybody could've possibly imagined. I thought he would never be able to shoulder the full load, and would need a LenDale-type to compliment him. I said he'd be a better and more durable version of Brian Westbrook. But Bush isn't Westbrook, he's Michael Bennett with better hands. He is fast and has all the physical tools to be a good back, but he doesn't have the vision or running instincts elite rbs have.

Many people wondered a loud if Matt Leinart's production was benefitted by his supporting cast. I think that objective question was used on the wrong Heismann winner.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Of course the Tampa 2 completely negates Reggie Bush's strength....so yea he's going to look really bad against a defense that gets to the edge.

He's not a good between the tackles runner at this point, he's not patient. It'll take him some time, but the talent is there.

Look up Tampa's run stats coming into this game.

[Mecca]

Look up Tampa's run stats coming into this game.

Up the gut........running to the edges is the worst thing you can do against Tampa.

For the other post and the Westbrook comment......Westbrook was nothing but a punt returner for 2-3 years. Let's give Bush some time before we decide if he sucks. He wasn't totally NFL ready to begin with.......ESPN covering him made everyone think he was going to be great right away he has things he has to get better at before he shows what he is.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Up the gut........running to the edges is the worst thing you can do against Tampa.

For the other post and the Westbrook comment......Westbrook was nothing but a punt returner for 2-3 years. Let's give Bush some time before we decide if he sucks. He wasn't totally NFL ready to begin with.......ESPN covering him made everyone think he was going to be great right away he has things he has to get better at before he shows what he is.

Up the gut...even Kevin Faulk would do better than -.5 yards per carry against that team between the tackles. You can't tell me that Bush is too goddamned stupid to pick a hole and at least take it until the second level.

As for Westbrook...he was carrying the load for Philly by his second year.