View Full Version : Mualball does not equal Martyball
milkman
11-26-2006, 12:24 AM
For those of you that can't seem to grasp the difference, allow me to define the philosophies.
Maulball is the aggressive attempt to physically dominate the opponent in pursuit of victory.
Martyball is the passive attempt to minimize mistakes in the pursuit of not losing, most often seen in crucial late season games and in the playoffs.
Mr. Laz
11-26-2006, 12:31 AM
gee thanks .... i feel so much smarter for reading this.
A perfect example of this was the Jets vs Chargers playoff game 2 years ago...thank you Marty :thumb: ..and good ole Hermy pulled the same stunt the next week in Pittsburgh :cuss: :cuss:
what kind of ball are we playing now
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milkman
11-26-2006, 12:48 AM
what kind of ball are we playing now
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The Chiefs didn't passively attempt to score points in the red zone, as some seem to think, against Denver.
Parker provided the numbers.
The Chiefs passed the ball in the red zone 8 times in 20 plays within the red zone.
That tells you that this is not Martyball.
What we don't know yet is whether Hermie will resort to Martyball in the playoffs.
Jets fans believe that is his MO.
The Chiefs didn't passively attempt to score points in the red zone, as some seem to think, against Denver.
Parker provided the numbers.
The Chiefs passed the ball in the red zone 8 times in 20 plays within the red zone.
That tells you that this is not Martyball.
What we don't know yet is whether Hermie will resort to Martyball in the playoffs.
Jets fans believe that is his MO.
they say his MO was also HORRIBLE clock management... now i have noticed a few blips with the Clock management here and there but overall he has done a good job
now does Dick Curl Get the credit I dont know but His name is Dick Curl
blueballs
11-26-2006, 12:51 AM
it's all KCJohnny porn
How does he curl his..........errrr...nevermind.
cdcox
11-26-2006, 12:57 AM
The Chiefs didn't passively attempt to score points in the red zone, as some seem to think, against Denver.
Parker provided the numbers.
The Chiefs passed the ball in the red zone 8 times in 20 plays within the red zone.
That tells you that this is not Martyball.
What we don't know yet is whether Hermie will resort to Martyball in the playoffs.
Jets fans believe that is his MO.
I watched the SD-Jets and the Jets-Steeler game pretty carefully and I've reviewed the play-by-play game logs a couple times since. Herm did a great Marty-ball impersonaltion in both games. I'm hoping he's learned his lesson, and will give him the chance to prove himself based on his outstanding performance in leading the team through injuries and turmoil so far this season. I think you mentioned earlier today you were running along side the bandwagon. I'm running along side you, trying to decide whether to jump on board or use the rope in my hand to lassoe Herm off. For now, I'm just going to keep trotting along side.
milkman
11-26-2006, 01:00 AM
I watched the SD-Jets and the Jets-Steeler game pretty carefully and I've reviewed the play-by-play game logs a couple times since. Herm did a great Marty-ball impersonaltion in both games. I'm hoping he's learned his lesson, and will give him the chance to prove himself based on his outstanding performance in leading the team through injuries and turmoil so far this season. I think you mentioned earlier today you were running along side the bandwagon. I'm running along side you, trying to decide whether to jump on board or use the rope in my hand to lassoe Herm off. For now, I'm just going to keep trotting along side.
The hope here, for me as well, is that Hermie learned from his experience.
The hope here, for me as well, is that Hermie learned from his experience.
I have to tell you..it looked like Herm was more hands off with Huard this year..last year when Bollinger took over for Pennington in Baltimore..Herm said ''any drive that ends in a kick is a good drive''..that kid never had a chance..
Maybe he did learn something by that experience..any time Herm is hands off on offense..it's a good thing
Halfcan
11-26-2006, 02:31 AM
We will need to be able to run the ball come December and the weather changes-might as well kick it in gear now.
Mecca
11-26-2006, 02:33 AM
I have my windows open.......this is odd weather.
CHIEF4EVER
11-26-2006, 02:58 AM
The problem with Marty wasn't that he didn't USE Maulball, he just didn't know when to QUIT using it. 3rd and 8 and the ignorant pissant would run Donnell Bennett up the centers ass or throw a swing pass.
Kerberos
11-26-2006, 04:56 AM
For those of you that can't seem to grasp the difference, allow me to define the philosophies.
Maulball is the aggressive attempt to physically dominate the opponent in pursuit of victory.
Martyball is the passive attempt to minimize mistakes in the pursuit of not losing, most often seen in crucial late season games and in the playoffs.
This sounds good.... I hope he doesn't have flashbacks and proove you wrong!
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milkman
11-26-2006, 07:16 AM
This sounds good.... I hope he doesn't have flashbacks and proove you wrong!
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I never said we won't see Martyball from Hermie.
I am just defining the difference between the two philosophies.
What we've seen, so far, from Hermie is Maulball.
Crush
11-26-2006, 07:54 AM
The problem with Marty wasn't that he didn't USE Maulball, he just didn't know when to QUIT using it. 3rd and 8 and the ignorant pissant would run Donnell Bennett up the centers ass or throw a swing pass.
Exactly. Marty was a giant conservative predictable puss.
Easy 6
11-26-2006, 09:23 AM
We all get better & more effecient at our jobs as we go along, Herms learning from his earlier mistakes. He's still a young man by most coaching standards and will continue to improve his methods IMO.
Eleazar
11-26-2006, 09:26 AM
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Baby Lee
11-26-2006, 09:39 AM
Marty-bashing does not equal football knowledge;
For those of you that can't seem to grasp the difference, allow me to define the philosophies. . . . :p
Seriously dude, Marty AGAIN has one of the best teams in the league, and they've come of two huge comebacks, the second coming in a place where the Chiefs have NEVER won.
But you're gonna continue to pool your entire reserve of football knowledge into the proposition that "Marty is gonna make a mistake sometime, somewhere."
It's pathological.
Deberg_1990
11-26-2006, 09:42 AM
Marty in KC never had a pure downfield passer as good as T Green.
KChiefs1
11-26-2006, 09:45 AM
It ain't the skill, it's the will
milkman
11-26-2006, 09:48 AM
Marty-bashing does not equal football knowledge;
For those of you that can't seem to grasp the difference, allow me to define the philosophies. . . . :p
Seriously dude, Marty AGAIN has one of the best teams in the league, and they've come of two huge comebacks, the second coming in a place where the Chiefs have NEVER won.
But you're gonna continue to pool your entire reserve of football knowledge into the proposition that "Marty is gonna make a mistake sometime, somewhere."
It's pathological.
This thread has nothing to do with Marty, specifically.
I am only defining the difference between Martyball and Maulball to point out the fact that the perception that Hermie is playing Martyball is an incorrect perception.
Deberg_1990
11-26-2006, 09:52 AM
The only thing that scares me is that he tutored under Marty and Tony Dungy. Two of the biggest "big game" chokers of all time.
cdcox
11-26-2006, 09:53 AM
But you're gonna continue to pool your entire reserve of football knowledge into the proposition that "Marty is gonna make a mistake sometime, somewhere."
That mantra has been good since 1985. He showed it again the the Baltimore game this season, so we can't say that is the old Marty. I believe he seriously wants to change his philosophy, but whether he will be able to...
The idea that Marty will screw up somewhere in the playoffs has been one of the most reliable bets in football. That can change, but until it does...
Baby Lee
11-26-2006, 09:58 AM
That mantra has been good since 1985. He showed it again the the Baltimore game this season, so we can't say that is the old Marty. I believe he seriously wants to change his philosophy, but whether he will be able to...
The idea that Marty will screw up somewhere in the playoffs has been one of the most reliable bets in football. That can change, but until it does...
Maybe it's his history here, but IMO the idea that Peytie-pie will screw the pooch in the playoffs is just as sure a bet, but nobody rags on 'Cut That Meat' as a born loser week in, week out.
cdcox
11-26-2006, 10:04 AM
Maybe it's his history here, but IMO the idea that Peytie-pie will screw the pooch in the playoffs is just as sure a bet, but nobody rags on 'Cut That Meat' as a born loser week in, week out.
Yeah, I do look at Peyton the same way, especially coupled with Dungy. The fact is that Peyton has not played very well in his playoff losses. I think there is a good chance Peyton willl eventually break through, just like Elway did after 4 SB choke jobs. There is just too much talent there. That doesn't mean I think it will happen this year or in any other given year. The safe bet is on failure until he proves otherwise.
milkman
11-26-2006, 10:05 AM
Maybe it's his history here, but IMO the idea that Peytie-pie will screw the pooch in the playoffs is just as sure a bet, but nobody rags on 'Cut That Meat' as a born loser week in, week out.
You might, if Maningina played in the AFC West.
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-26-2006, 10:10 AM
Marty-bashing does not equal football knowledge;
For those of you that can't seem to grasp the difference, allow me to define the philosophies. . . . :p
Seriously dude, Marty AGAIN has one of the best teams in the league, and they've come of two huge comebacks, the second coming in a place where the Chiefs have NEVER won.
But you're gonna continue to pool your entire reserve of football knowledge into the proposition that "Marty is gonna make a mistake sometime, somewhere."
It's pathological.
It's not pathological, it's consistent and repeatable. Year after year, Marty has had very good to great teams go into the playoffs and year after year he has throttled the life out of those teams by coaching and game-planning not to lose. There's a reason why he's 5-12 in the playoffs, and it's not bad luck. One only needs to look at the gameplans that he has implemented in playoff and late season games as evidence of this. The Xmas Eve game last year was a perfect example, as was the Chargers/Jets playoff game, or any one of the numerous shitbaths he made Chiefs fans endure. He's afraid to take the chances necessary to win when you play good teams with a lot on the line, and you can't win like that. He's like a hold-em player who waits for pocket Aces or Kings...maybe he plays those hands really well, but it doesn't change the fact that if you only wait for those two hands you are going to end up blinding yourself off to inferior competition just as he has repeatedly lost to inferior teams in the playoffs.
Reerun_KC
11-26-2006, 10:17 AM
It's not pathological, it's consistent and repeatable. Year after year, Marty has had very good to great teams go into the playoffs and year after year he has throttled the life out of those teams by coaching and game-planning not to lose. There's a reason why he's 5-12 in the playoffs, and it's not bad luck. One only needs to look at the gameplans that he has implemented in playoff and late season games as evidence of this. The Xmas Eve game last year was a perfect example, as was the Chargers/Jets playoff game, or any one of the numerous shitbaths he made Chiefs fans endure. He's afraid to take the chances necessary to win when you play good teams with a lot on the line, and you can't win like that. He's like a hold-em player who waits for pocket Aces or Kings...maybe he plays those hands really well, but it doesn't change the fact that if you only wait for those two hands you are going to end up blinding yourself off to inferior competition just as he has repeatedly lost to inferior teams in the playoffs.
Very nice and well thought out!
Baby Lee
11-26-2006, 10:33 AM
Year after year, Marty has had very good to great teams go into the playoffs and year after year he has throttled the life out of those teams by coaching and game-planning not to lose.
That's a very telling sentence. The team he 'has' is expressed passively, but the losses in the playoffs are described with visceral action verbs aplenty.
Sure, great teams just happen to sprout up around him, THEN . . . he throttles, extinguishes, murders and mutilates the their life-essence through sheer stupidity.
I'll accept that Horse-face had the mojo to fell him every time. That's like half of his playoff losses. And besides, it's not like anyone else in the AFC had the mojo to fell Elway in those playoff runs. Seems like he went to the SB every time he beat the Chiefs/Browns in the playoff. And I'll accept that the Colts game was a fiasco. But Marty didn't gameplan Montana's concussion in Buffalo, or the phantom holding call in Miami. And whether people like it or not, he BUILT those very good to great teams. Better than the Chiefs have had before or since for as long as I've been alive.
Reerun_KC
11-26-2006, 10:39 AM
That's a very telling sentence. The team he 'has' is expressed passively, but the losses in the playoffs are described with visceral action verbs aplenty.
Sure, great teams just happen to sprout up around him, THEN . . . he throttles, extinguishes, murders and mutilates the their life-essence through sheer stupidity.
I'll accept that Horse-face had the mojo to fell him every time. That's like half of his playoff losses. And besides, it's not like anyone else in the AFC had the mojo to fell Elway in those playoff runs. Seems like he went to the SB every time he beat the Chiefs/Browns in the playoff. And I'll accept that the Colts game was a fiasco. But Marty didn't gameplan Montana's concussion in Buffalo, or the phantom holding call in Miami. And whether people like it or not, he BUILT those very good to great teams. Better than the Chiefs have had before or since for as long as I've been alive.
True, Marty built great teams. Not doubting you there. Marty's only fault is he lets history repeat itself each time it gets to crunch time. Example the Jets/Chargers a few years ago. (which will go down in history as two classic Martyball coaches, trying to out Marty each other). Marty has a great team this year. Built a very solid team. I would like to think he will make some noise in the playoffs, but Marty is still Marty. I guess the Jury is still out and only time will tell.
Herm on the other hand? Has he learned from his past yet? I guess we will see...
Brock
11-26-2006, 10:55 AM
But you're gonna continue to pool your entire reserve of football knowledge into the proposition that "Marty is gonna make a mistake sometime, somewhere."
It's pathological.
I'll eat my words as soon as he stops doing it. He's had (excuse me, BUILT) the best team in football no fewer than 3 times by my count and has won 5 playoff games in over 20 years of coaching. I respect him for rebuilding the Chiefs to respectability, but come on, he is what he is.
This year, once again, he (has) built the best team in football.
I've seen this movie before.
dj56dt58
11-26-2006, 11:27 AM
He had to run the ball a lot in NY. Green/Huard>Pennington/Testaverde....ect
Deberg_1990
11-26-2006, 11:32 AM
I'll eat my words as soon as he stops doing it. He's had (excuse me, BUILT) the best team in football no fewer than 3 times by my count and has won 5 playoff games in over 20 years of coaching. I respect him for rebuilding the Chiefs to respectability, but come on, he is what he is.
This year, once again, he (has) built the best team in football.
I've seen this movie before.
So what happens if its the Colts Vs. Chargers in the AFC Championship game??
The world promptly implodes????
milkman
11-26-2006, 11:40 AM
So what happens if its the Colts Vs. Chargers in the AFC Championship game??
The world promptly implodes????
A sure and certain sign that the Apocalyspe is upon us.
'Hamas' Jenkins
11-26-2006, 04:58 PM
That's a very telling sentence. The team he 'has' is expressed passively, but the losses in the playoffs are described with visceral action verbs aplenty.
Sure, great teams just happen to sprout up around him, THEN . . . he throttles, extinguishes, murders and mutilates the their life-essence through sheer stupidity.
I'll accept that Horse-face had the mojo to fell him every time. That's like half of his playoff losses. And besides, it's not like anyone else in the AFC had the mojo to fell Elway in those playoff runs. Seems like he went to the SB every time he beat the Chiefs/Browns in the playoff. And I'll accept that the Colts game was a fiasco. But Marty didn't gameplan Montana's concussion in Buffalo, or the phantom holding call in Miami. And whether people like it or not, he BUILT those very good to great teams. Better than the Chiefs have had before or since for as long as I've been alive.
Whitlock may say a lot of dumb things, but he hits it right on the head when he called him the best coach in the NFL Monday-Saturday. Some people just don't have the nerve to take risks in professional situations, and he is one of them.
Without Joe Montana as his QB, his playoff record is 3-11, with him he's 5-12.
Since that concussion game, Marty is 0-4 in the playoffs, even though three of those games have been at home, and he's had a lead in all four games.
Good playoff coaches don't lose to a 9-7 team who played in a dome, at home, when it's 5 degrees, when they have the best team in football. Good playoff coaches don't castrate their teams to the tune of 7 and 10 points in consecutive games when they are a #1 seed. Good playoff coaches don't win at a 32 percent lower clip in the postseason than the regular season.
Some people can win big games, some can't. Sometimes you're Karl Malone or Dominique Wilkins, and sometimes you're Larry Bird.
Deberg_1990
11-26-2006, 05:00 PM
Whitlock may say a lot of dumb things, but he hits it right on the head when he called him the best coach in the NFL Monday-Saturday. Some people just don't have the nerve to take risks in professional situations, and he is one of them.
Without Joe Montana as his QB, his playoff record is 3-11, with him he's 5-12.
Since that concussion game, Marty is 0-4 in the playoffs, even though three of those games have been at home, and he's had a lead in all four games.
Good playoff coaches don't lose to a 9-7 team who played in a dome, at home, when it's 5 degrees, when they have the best team in football. Good playoff coaches don't castrate their teams to the tune of 7 and 10 points in consecutive games when they are a #1 seed. Good playoff coaches don't win at a 32 percent lower clip in the postseason than the regular season.
Some people can win big games, some can't. Sometimes you're Karl Malone or Dominique Wilkins, and sometimes you're Larry Bird.
Very well said....Marty is still Marty or Chuck Knox until he proves otherwise
So what the heck is MaultyBall?
FAX
Baby Lee
11-27-2006, 09:15 AM
Whitlock may say a lot of dumb things, but he hits it right on the head when he called him the best coach in the NFL Monday-Saturday.
OK, but after the third straight come from behind win, can we countenance moving him from Mr. Mon-Sat, up to the best coach in the NFL February to December, subject to further revision depending on future events?
I mean he's had a few too many 13-3 seasons to say he NEVER shows up on Sunday.
Reerun_KC
11-27-2006, 09:40 AM
OK, but after the third straight come from behind win, can we countenance moving him from Mr. Mon-Sat, up to the best coach in the NFL February to December, subject to further revision depending on future events?
I mean he's had a few too many 13-3 seasons to say he NEVER shows up on Sunday.
I would agree, best coach in the NFL for 16 games each year. After that? The Dude just flat out blows...
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