Kansas ranked 5th after big win vs Florida

[chief4life]

1. UCLA (36) 4-0 1,727
2. Pittsburgh (18) 6-0 1,666
3. Ohio State (15) 6-0 1,649
4. Florida (3) 6-1 1,576
5. Kansas 5-1 1,490
6. Alabama 5-0 1,404
7. North Carolina 4-1 1,389
8. Marquette 6-0 1,240
9. Texas A&M 5-0 1,213
10. LSU 2-1 985
11. Duke 5-1 946
12. Wisconsin 5-1 807
13. Washington 5-0 731
14. Memphis 3-1 685
15. Syracuse 6-0 662
16. Arizona 3-1 652
17. Wichita State 4-0 635
18. Georgetown 3-1 628
19. Butler 7-0 572
20. Connecticut 5-0 516
21. Georgia Tech 5-1 511
22. Gonzaga 6-1 421
23. Maryland 7-0 376
24. Nevada 5-0 349
25. Virginia 4-0 91

[Mr. Laz]

wow ... i'm a bit surprised by the jump.



although i don't know why they just didn't finish the jump by flip-flopping Floride and Kansas with #4 and #5.

[noa]

I know KU lost to Oral Roberts and all, but how can you put Florida ahead of KU, and how did Florida get 3 first place votes?

[HolmeZz]

I don't get the love affair with Pittsburgh.

[chief4life]

I know KU lost to Oral Roberts and all, but how can you put Florida ahead of KU, and how did Florida get 3 first place votes?

Yeah that surprised me too! You would think we would leapfrog them and have them atleast fall below us, but I am happy. We have a great team this year and I think everyone else should Beware of the Phog. Rock Chalk Jayhawk! :KU:

[DMAC]

MO State is close! (Others Receiving Votes)

[JBucc]

33 votes for Arkansas. We're a lot better than I thought we'd be this year.

[Megbert]

Wow I figured the Hawks would move up 2-3 spots at the most. Pleasantly surprised.

[kepp]

I know KU lost to Oral Roberts and all, but how can you put Florida ahead of KU, and how did Florida get 3 first place votes?
Because Florida lost to a good team and KU lost to Oral Roberts.

[noa]

Because Florida lost to a good team and KU lost to Oral Roberts.


Florida hasn't won a game against a good team, KU has.
Florida played Samford, North Florida, Jacksonville, UT-Chatt, PV A&M, and Western Kentucky.

[Lzen]

Because Florida lost to a good team and KU lost to Oral Roberts.


Do you not realize that Oral Roberts was a tourney team last year?

And Florida had played a creampuff schedule until they played KU. Well, maybe Western Kentucky wasn't a creampuff. Not sure what they look like this year. In any case, it doesn't really matter if you're 5th or 4th this time of year. Come March, I hope KU is still up in the top 4 or 5.

[Saulbadguy]

I'm glad KU won so it would shut DaKCManAP the **** up. Noone gives a shit about Florida on this board. Noone really cares about UF basketball nationwide - the ratings were abysmal for last years championship game for a reason. $EC sucks. (for basketball)

[Bearcat]

It's really strange Florida got 3 first place votes... eh, they shouldn't even have polls for the first several weeks.

[HC_Chief]

WSU @ 17! :thumb:

[DMAC]

... eh, they shouldn't even have polls for the first several weeks.It's all for media purposes.

#1 UCLA vs. #2 Pitt will draw in more viewers than UCLA vs Pitt.

[Lzen]

I'm glad KU won so it would shut DaKCManAP the **** up. Noone gives a shit about Florida on this board. Noone really cares about UF basketball nationwide - the ratings were abysmal for last years championship game for a reason. $EC sucks. (for basketball)


I agree, nobody on this board gives a crap about Florida basketball.

[KC-TBB]

YEAH, YEAH...THEY SUCK! AHHHH HUHHHHHH...

[Bearcat]

It's all for media purposes.

#1 UCLA vs. #2 Pitt will draw in more viewers than UCLA vs Pitt.
Touché... good point considering I'm usually surprised to see the "expert" predictions in the season previews because I don't keep up that much with the college basketball offseason/recruiting and have a short term memory when it comes to who was good in the previous year's tournament.

[Saulbadguy]

I agree, nobody on this board gives a crap about Florida basketball.
Indeed. Wichita State is much more relevant here than UF.

[tk13]

It's early in the season, and there's no BCS anyway. I wouldn't get too concerned about rankings. The way this season is going they might be more meaningless than ever.

[kepp]

Florida hasn't won a game against a good team, KU has.
Florida played Samford, North Florida, Jacksonville, UT-Chatt, PV A&M, and Western Kentucky.

Do you not realize that Oral Roberts was a tourney team last year?

And Florida had played a creampuff schedule until they played KU. Well, maybe Western Kentucky wasn't a creampuff. Not sure what they look like this year. In any case, it doesn't really matter if you're 5th or 4th this time of year. Come March, I hope KU is still up in the top 4 or 5.
Nope...didn't realize either of these. In that case, KU should have probably jumped Florida. They're still riding last year's wave maybe?

[sedated]

meh.

good to see they moved up, just hope this doesn't get into the kids' heads,

they seem to lack motivation when they taste a little success

[sedated]

BTW, is there a more over-rated player in basketball than Brandon Rush?


this team just doesn't need him, he needs to play for someone with absolutley no talent so he can be the go-to guy on every play. KU has too much talent for such a one-dimensional scorer.

[Lzen]

Indeed. Wichita State is much more relevant here than UF.


To him, Florida is relevant because he attends that school. But most on Chiefs Planet could care less about the Gators. I think he wants to see them win it all again so that he can say "see, I told ya so. That's my team." But I'm betting that is going to backfire on him. Heh, it already did somewhat after Saturday night in his Journey thread. :)

[Lzen]

Nope...didn't realize either of these. In that case, KU should have probably jumped Florida. They're still riding last year's wave maybe?

They're still riding last year's wave and they destroyed every opponent leading up to the KU game. Of course, a powerhouse should destroy cream puffs.

[Saulbadguy]

To him, Florida is relevant because he attends that school. But most on Chiefs Planet could care less about the Gators. I think he wants to see them win it all again so that he can say "see, I told ya so. That's my team." But I'm betting that is going to backfire on him. Heh, it already did somewhat after Saturday night in his Journey thread. :)
It was too bad because he was able to cop out of it so easily. I hope UK pisspounds them this year.

[CoMoChief]

Thats quite a big jump but it doesnt surprise me. It puzzles me why Florida is still ranked above KU.

Butler and Wichita St are big early surprises. Theyre both playing good bball. Shockers should win out their conference. MO St is creeping up as well.

UCLA is good but cmon PITT?!?! Very overrated IMO.

[CoMoChief]

BTW, is there a more over-rated player in basketball than Brandon Rush?


this team just doesn't need him, he needs to play for someone with absolutley no talent so he can be the go-to guy on every play. KU has too much talent for such a one-dimensional scorer.

:BS:

[Mr. Laz]

BTW, is there a more over-rated player in basketball than Brandon Rush?


this team just doesn't need him, he needs to play for someone with absolutley no talent so he can be the go-to guy on every play. KU has too much talent for such a one-dimensional scorer.
Rush definitely needs to work on his drive


so much potiential and hasn't even done more then scratched the surface.

[noa]

BTW, is there a more over-rated player in basketball than Brandon Rush?


this team just doesn't need him, he needs to play for someone with absolutley no talent so he can be the go-to guy on every play. KU has too much talent for such a one-dimensional scorer.


I don't understand it either. From everything I've read, Bill Self constantly tells him to be more aggressive, and he must be hearing the same thing from other people. There's something holding him back. Being more aggressive and scoring more can only help this team, even if it reduces the stats of some of the other players.

[DaKCMan AP]

I'm glad KU won so it would shut DaKCManAP the **** up. Noone gives a shit about Florida on this board. Noone really cares about UF basketball nationwide - the ratings were abysmal for last years championship game for a reason. $EC sucks. (for basketball)

You're so pathetic ROFL I forget, how many SEC teams made the Final Four last year? Two? And who won? An SEC team? Oh yeah, the SEC sucks big time. :LOL:

My thread chronicling the journey to a repeat National Championship will continue strong.

Now, for this thread...

Although Kansas was clearly the better team Nov. 25th in Vegas, I still think Florida is a better team now (that could change come March). The only thing I could think of why the voters still have Florida ahead of KU is because it was essentially an away game for UF. The crowd was HEAVILY pro-KU, and at this point in the season if #1 lost AT #12, I don't see #12 jumping them.

Not like any of this really matters at this point. Everything will get sorted out come conference play.

[DJJasonp]

Rush definitely needs to work on his drive


so much potiential and hasn't even done more then scratched the surface.

I was at the games Fri/Sat....and a lot of KU fans were riding him pretty hard....

He did disappear in stretches, but he passes up a ton of open looks...he's probably too unselfish....the looks are there, he just keeps passing.

If he could add driving to the bucket to his game (like Langford)...he'd be the most dangerous guy on the court....

[DJJasonp]

You're so pathetic ROFL I forget, how many SEC teams made the Final Four last year? Two? And who won? An SEC team? Oh yeah, the SEC sucks big time. :LOL:

My thread chronicling the journey to a repeat National Championship will continue strong.

Now, for this thread...

Although Kansas was clearly the better team Nov. 25th in Vegas, I still think Florida is a better team now (that could change come March). The only thing I could think of why the voters still have Florida ahead of KU is because it was essentially an away game for UF. The crowd was HEAVILY pro-KU, and at this point in the season if #1 lost AT #12, I don't see #12 jumping them.

Not like any of this really matters at this point. Everything will get sorted out come conference play.

Much of this may be true....but even though it might have been considered a pro-ku crowd....the referees were definitely pro-Florida!

[DaKCMan AP]

To him, Florida is relevant because he attends that school. But most on Chiefs Planet could care less about the Gators. I think he wants to see them win it all again so that he can say "see, I told ya so. That's my team." But I'm betting that is going to backfire on him. Heh, it already did somewhat after Saturday night in his Journey thread. :)

I want them to win it all again for the same reasons I want the Chiefs to win the Superbowl, the Gators to win a NC (in football) or any other team I follow to win it all. Saying "I told ya so" is the least of my concerns.

I want to be able to run out on University Avenue and party with 20,000 of my closest friends again this April (unless I can attend the FF). That was one hell of a time, and reason enough.

[Eleazar]

Rush definitely needs to work on his drive


so much potiential and hasn't even done more then scratched the surface.

It runs in the family.

[DaKCMan AP]

Much of this may be true....but even though it might have been considered a pro-ku crowd....the referees were definitely pro-Florida!

I watched the game with my dad & uncle (both KU alum) and we all agreed it was one of the best officiated games we've seen in a while. I don't think it was one-sided at all as both teams had guys in foul trouble.

I'm not saying Kansas shouldn't be ranked ahead of Florida (although I think Florida is the better team), I was just saying that may be a reason the voters voted that way.

[Mr. Laz]

I was at the games Fri/Sat....and a lot of KU fans were riding him pretty hard....
what were they saying?

it's not like he's playing bad ..... it's just that he could do so much more if he was more aggressive.


Self needs to make him start driving with the ball.


setup practice with 1 on 4 ... 4 guys have to stay in zone.


Rush gets the ball and can't shoot anything outside the paint. Make him do crazy ass drives until he gets good at it.

[DJJasonp]

what were they saying?

it's not like he's playing bad ..... it's just that he could do so much more if he was more aggressive.


Self needs to make him start driving with the ball.


setup practice with 1 on 4 ... 4 guys have to stay in zone.


Rush gets the ball and can't shoot anything outside the paint. Make him do crazy ass drives until he gets good at it.

Obviously, Saturday night was all positive (cause we looked good)...but Friday evening....everyone was ripping the hi/lo offense, Rush, Kaun, you name it....I was actually surprised at how pissed people (KU fans) were getting...considering we were winning by double-digits....yeah, it was an ugly win, but I think you're going to get that from time to time...especially when the other team throws a zone at us (which will happen more and more often as the season progresses)

I think they were sleep walking through the first five games, waiting for Florida....

[Phobia]

There must be some mistake. There's only 2 Big Ten teams in the top 25.

[sedated]

Saturday night was all positive (cause we looked good

I can't even say we looked great against Florida.

we did everything we could to give away that game - up 4 with, like, 16 seconds left, to OT?

the only thing that won the game was Shady's free throws.

let's not forget that Florida had a chance to tie or win, and got a damn good look, at the end of OT.

[ImuMamalukabubuday]

The only thing I could think of why the voters still have Florida ahead of KU is because it was essentially an away game for UF. The crowd was HEAVILY pro-KU, and at this point in the season if #1 lost AT #12, I don't see #12 jumping them.

This argument kills me. It was a neutral site. KU fans are just more loyal and travel better than just about any school in the country. If you want it to be more even...buy a ticket. It's not like KU fans were offered more tickets than Florida fans. Apparently anytime KU plays at a neutral venue we should consider it a home game because we travel so well as fans. That argument is pure horseshyte. KU was the better team all night long, and Florida couldn't take the victory when KU tried to hand it to them at the end.

And yes, the refs did try to give this game to Florida. The most amazing no-call of the night was when Horford blocked a shot then took 4 full strides before passing the ball off. I was honestly waiting for him to bust out a stiff arm or a Barry Sanders spin move. KU was also called for much more contact under the basket than Florida's bigs were.

[HolmeZz]

The reason Florida is still ahead of Kansas is that it was a competitive game that was decided at the end. Most voters probably felt Kansas losing at home to ORU meant more in separating the 2 than the difference in their head to head matchup.

Polls at this point are meaningless though. If their resumes are close later in the year, Kansas will have the edge then.

[DaKCMan AP]

This argument kills me. It was a neutral site. KU fans are just more loyal and travel better than just about any school in the country. If you want it to be more even...buy a ticket. It's not like KU fans were offered more tickets than Florida fans. Apparently anytime KU plays at a neutral venue we should consider it a home game because we travel so well as fans. That argument is pure horseshyte. KU was the better team all night long, and Florida couldn't take the victory when KU tried to hand it to them at the end.

It's not an argument I'm trying to make. I was just saying it's the only thing I can think of as to why the voters decided what they did.

Also, LV is a little (1000 miles) closer to KS than Florida. If the game was played in, say, Atlanta I guarantee you Florida fans would have outnumbered KU fans. Not that any of this really matters.

[DaKCMan AP]

Polls at this point are meaningless though.

Completely agree.

[the Talking Can]

BTW, is there a more over-rated player in basketball than Brandon Rush?


this team just doesn't need him, he needs to play for someone with absolutley no talent so he can be the go-to guy on every play. KU has too much talent for such a one-dimensional scorer.

you've set a world record for dumb

[Saulbadguy]

It's not an argument I'm trying to make. I was just saying it's the only thing I can think of as to why the voters decided what they did.

Also, LV is a little (1000 miles) closer to KS than Florida. If the game was played in, say, Atlanta I guarantee you Florida fans would have outnumbered KU fans. Not that any of this really matters.
Doubtful. It would be even. KU fans are manical about traveling. UF, basketball is still second fiddle to football. Couple that with the fact that UF vs FSU was the same day, I bet KU fans would outnumber the UF fans 2 to 1.

[DaKCMan AP]

Doubtful. It would be even. KU fans are manical about traveling. UF, basketball is still second fiddle to football. Couple that with the fact that UF vs FSU was the same day, I bet KU fans would outnumber the UF fans 2 to 1.

You're right. If the UF/FSU game was the same day, KU fans would outnumber UF fans at the bball game.

However, if it was played on a day when there was not a UF football game, then I still think UF fans outnumber KU fans (not by 2-1 or anything) if it's within a reasonable distance.

[ImuMamalukabubuday]

You're right. If the UF/FSU game was the same day, KU fans would outnumber UF fans at the bball game.

However, if it was played on a day when there was not a UF football game, then I still think UF fans outnumber KU fans (not by 2-1 or anything) if it's within a reasonable distance.

I hear you...it's just unfortunate how many UF fans have used the "home game for KU" thing as an excuse (not that you are). KU executed better the entire night and deserved the win, regardless of the crowd involvement. I also hate the UF fans who claim that Florida just played awful, yet KU played the best game they could possibly play. I've heard tons of Florida fans claim they are still the better team, and they'd beat us "8 times out of 10". Sorry, but you've got to give that respect to KU's defense for limiting florida to very little on offense. KU could have played a much better game as well, and I think the result would most likely be similar if they played again on a neutral court (aka KU home game anywhere but the state of Florida).

[teedubya]

So is Butler gonna be KU's killer B this year?

[Lzen]

ImuMamalukabubuday,
You should have seen some comments by non-KU fans the night of the game. Things like "if Fla. plays up to their usual level, they will steamroll KU". WTF? As if KU has no talent. Idiots.

[Lzen]

So is Butler gonna be KU's killer B this year?

Shuddup, you.

[teedubya]

I hear you...it's just unfortunate how many UF fans have used the "home game for KU" thing as an excuse (not that you are). KU executed better the entire night and deserved the win, regardless of the crowd involvement. I also hate the UF fans who claim that Florida just played awful, yet KU played the best game they could possibly play. I've heard tons of Florida fans claim they are still the better team, and they'd beat us "8 times out of 10". Sorry, but you've got to give that respect to KU's defense for limiting florida to very little on offense. KU could have played a much better game as well, and I think the result would most likely be similar if they played again on a neutral court (aka KU home game anywhere but the state of Florida).


Dude, how do you remember your username to log in? heh.

Oh, and KCDAPmanAP or whatever the ****... Saul said STFU! He doesnt want to hear from you anymore. Understand?

[HolmeZz]

ImuMamalukabubuday,
You should have seen some comments by non-KU fans the night of the game. Things like "if Fla. plays up to their usual level, they will steamroll KU". WTF? As if KU has no talent. Idiots.

Stop being a stooge.

[Lzen]

Stop being a stooge.

How about that steamroll job? :rolleyes:

[HolmeZz]

How about that steamroll job? :rolleyes:

How about losing to Oral Roberts on your home floor?

[Lzen]

Stop being a stooge.


A stooge? Why, because I called you to the matt for your moronic statements?

[HolmeZz]

A stooge? Why, because I called you to the matt for your moronic statements?

*mat

And you didn't call me on anything. For whatever reason you got your panties in a bunch as if what I said was some kind of indictment of KU, when in fact, I was speaking of how highly I think of Florida. You won the game. Congratulations. Now act like you expected to.

[sedated]

you've set a world record for dumb

nice retort, interesting information. you've really opened my eyes.

We don't need a pure scorer like him on a team loaded with scoring talent - Chalmers, Wright, Arthur, Collins, Kaun, etc - there aren't enough shots to go around.

he can't do enough other things to contribute enough to live up to his potential. he has the talent to score 20+ per game, but will only have the opportunity to score between 12-15.

[the Talking Can]

nice retort, interesting information. you've really opened my eyes.

We don't need a pure scorer like him on a team loaded with scoring talent - Chalmers, Wright, Arthur, Collins, Kaun, etc - there aren't enough shots to go around.

he can't do enough other things to contribute enough to live up to his potential. he has the talent to score 20+ per game, but will only have the opportunity to score between 12-15.

you've never watched him play obviously....he is a great defender and a great rebounder....pay attention for christs sake...you make KU fans look bad

[CoMoChief]

So is Butler gonna be KU's killer B this year?

Shit, Butler is playing their asses off.