wow 2 black head coachs!

[blackhawk]

going two the superbowl $hit just hit the fan!

[FDS]

Is Dungy part of the Schottenheimer coaching tree. Poor Marty, Cowher than Dungy.

PBJ FirstDownSamie PBJ

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Tom Jackson, Michael Irvin, and Shannon Sharpe are living in heaven right now.

Even better, no matter what happens a black coach will end up winning the Super Bowl.

It shouldn't even be about race, it should be about how good of a coach both Dungy and Smith are, but I assure you that Jackson, Sharpe, and Irvin will remind us for the next two weeks that there are two black coaches in the Super Bowl, and one will win it.

[Bob Dole]

While this is a step forward, there's still a lot of room for improvement. Both starting QBs are still white.

[luv]

I don't see why it matters.

[NJ Chief Fan]

Honestly who gives...? Lovie Smith is a good coach, but Tony Dungy is a fraud. For the 3rd straight season, I am not going to be watching the Super Bowl.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I don't see why it matters.

Believe me, there's a lot of racist black people that will beat the drum the whole two weeks.

[milkman]

Why don't we know the ethnicity of the equipment managers?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Why don't we know the ethnicity of the equipment managers?

Because they don't matter, sure some are brothas', but we pull in the benjis and ride on dubs, not the lowly equipment peeps.

/Irvin

[ChiefaRoo]

Who gives a shite what color they are? Good game by Manning. He pulled the monkey right off of his back with that game. I predict the Colts win it all.

[elvomito]

in honor of equal rights, this superbowl will end in a tie

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Who gives a shite what color they are? Good game by Manning. He pulled the monkey right off of his back with that game. I predict the Colts win it all.

He has to win it first, then the monkey will be off his back.

[Deberg_1990]

We still havent come far enough.....still not enough black centers in the NFL.

[FDS]

Smith and Dungy rised to the top. Shell and Green fell out the bottom.

PBJ FirstDownSamie PBJ

[Mecca]

Who gives a shite what color they are? Good game by Manning. He pulled the monkey right off of his back with that game. I predict the Colts win it all.

Larry Johnson cares what color they are....

[milkman]

Who gives a shite what color they are? Good game by Manning. He pulled the monkey right off of his back with that game. I predict the Colts win it all.

You're a racist, aren't you?

[Phobia]

I honestly don't care what color they are. Somebody please tell me when it's a non-story.

[ChiTown]

You're a racist, aren't you?

Where's Taco when you need him....

[ChiefaRoo]

You're a racist, aren't you?
ROFL

[JBucc]

What would I do with a millon dollars? Two black head coaches at the same time.

[JBucc]

You're a racist, aren't you?I got banned for making monkey jokes. This guy deserves the same. Racist ****er.

[Demonpenz]

wait Dungy is black?

[ChiefaRoo]

wait Dungy is black?


I thought he was Turkish.

[jAZ]

I honestly don't care what color they are. Somebody please tell me when it's a non-story.
It's going to be a story for 2 endless weeks, just like every story every year leading up to the Super Bowl.

This is one of the last hurdles to be cleared in the NFL (short of black ownership). The NFL has done an outstanding job of breaking down barriers, they should be applauded for that. And maybe next year, a player's/coach's will be less noteworthy.

[HMc]

more black kickers

[KurtCobain]

more black kickers

It's what we need.

[KurtCobain]

but where's the white running backs? I won't be satisfied until the superbowl winning team features a mexican coach, black QB, white running back, and telitubby WR.

[Rausch]

Didn't even think about it, which is improvement right there.

[Hound333]

Yes but if the world stops thinking about it the Jessie Jackson's of the world won't have a job. That isn't gonna work for them.

I honestly didn't think about it until it was brought up this week as well.

[Chiefs_Fan]

This is going to be a long two weeks! I hate the colts!

[Skip Towne]

more black kickers
Has there ever been a black kicker?

[boogblaster]

No black kickers that I know of..some punters tho...

[acesn8s]

going two the superbowl $hit just hit the fan!
Until you metioned it, I didn't care what color of skin they had but now THAT will be the annoying story for the next two weeks. And I thought Katrina annoying.

[Bob Dole]

Yay. Good Morning America is even talking about it.

[Bwana]

Baaaa, this is warm and fuzzy and all but where is the love for the Koreans! How many Korean coaches are there in the NFL? What about Irianians! Is there even one Iranian employed in the NFL, even as a ball boy??


:)

[Jenson71]

Has there ever been a black kicker?

I can think of Roby - but he was a punter.

[Saulbadguy]

To be fair, Dungy is only half black. At least he looks like it.

[Phobia]

Yes, there's been a black kicker. The giants had one a couple years ago.

[Reerun_KC]

To be fair, Dungy is only half black. At least he looks like it.


Regardless of skin color who cares?


This is so sad that we have to make a big deal over this. Hell I dont care what color the players, coaches or jock sniffers are. As long at the Chiefs are competative and can get a first down in a playoff game, I dont care about the color of skin...


I am offended in general that this is even an issue...

[Jenson71]

The crickets and the rust-beetles scuttled among the nettles of the sage thicket. "Vámonos, amigos," he whispered, and threw the busted leather flintcraw over the loose weave of the saddlecock. And they rode on in the friscalating dusklight.

[Fairplay]

Regardless of skin color who cares?




Because the networks will be running this issue into the ground between now and the Superbowl.

Unfortunately the media makes more of an issue of it then what it should be.

[jAZ]

Yes, there's been a black kicker. The giants had one a couple years ago.
I think the Colts had one a few years ago. I think he was a kickoff specialist. Don't remember his name.

[Kclee]

No black kickers that I know of


Donald Igwebuike

[StcChief]

Glad Dungy dismissed that talk yesterday.

[DJ_is_the_realdeal]

The only thing amazing about it is what it does for young black kids all over the world. Instead of dreaming to be a football player now they can dream of being a coach. I don't think that either of these teams started the season saying lets get to the super bowl so we can have our black coach be the first one to get in. It shouldn't be about color im just glad that its over with and it will not be an issue anymore.

[shaneo69]

Donald Igwebuike

Played for the Bucs from '85-'89, then in 1990 he was charged with assisting a $1 mil heroin smuggling plot.

[Chief Chief]

Played for the Bucs from '85-'89, then in 1990 he was charged with assisting a $1 mil heroin smuggling plot.

He was only involved in that because the smugglers were required by EEO to hire a black or they'd face stiff penalties.

[acesn8s]

Regardless of skin color who cares?


This is so sad that we have to make a big deal over this. Hell I dont care what color the players, coaches or jock sniffers are. As long at the Chiefs are competative and can get a first down in a playoff game, I dont care about the color of skin...


I am offended in general that this is even an issue...
I agree. :banghead:

[blackhawk]

In a game that focused on the quarterbacks -- Williams because he was the first black to play the position in the Super Bowl, and Denver's John Elway because of his overall brilliance -- Williams staged one of pro football's greatest big-game performances. The ecstatic Cooke hailed Williams, extending heartfelt congratulations "not just to a black quarterback, but to a great quarterback."
Williams out-Elwayed Elway with his deep passes, and lobbed shorter ones with the precision of an artist. The crowd behind the Redskins bench roared for the first time since the kickoff when Williams hit Sanders on a fly pattern, an 80-yard message that Washington would be heard from.

[FloridaMan88]

black head coaches are only a novelty still in SEC country with the hick school presidents and their white trash boosters

[blackhawk]

PITTSBURGH -- Mike Tomlin, the defensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings, was hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers -- the first black head coach in the team's 74-year history
He accepted the job Sunday night and the hiring was announced Monday, with the contract to be completed later in the day. He was negotiating a four-year contract expected to pay him about $2.5 million a year. The Steelers will hold a press conference at 3:30 p.m. ET Monday.

[blackhawk]

dam there go's the neighborhood!

[shaneo69]

black head coaches are only a novelty still in SEC country with the hick school presidents and their white trash boosters

Sylvester Croom's doing a fine job at Miss. St.

[acesn8s]

In a game that focused on the quarterbacks -- Williams because he was the first black to play the position in the Super Bowl, and Denver's John Elway because of his overall brilliance -- Williams staged one of pro football's greatest big-game performances. The ecstatic Cooke hailed Williams, extending heartfelt congratulations "not just to a black quarterback, but to a great quarterback."
Williams out-Elwayed Elway with his deep passes, and lobbed shorter ones with the precision of an artist. The crowd behind the Redskins bench roared for the first time since the kickoff when Williams hit Sanders on a fly pattern, an 80-yard message that Washington would be heard from.
Exactly what did race have to do with the outcome of that game?

[RP_McMurphy]

Croom is doing ok right now. He has struggled at times as Jackie Sherill left a god awful mess in Starkville for him. His win over Bama this year gave him breathing room for now. Kentucky's Offensive Coordinator in Joker Phillips most likely will be the next black head coach in the SEC when he takes over for Rich Brooks in a year or two.

[ChiTown]

PITTSBURGH -- Mike Tomlin, the defensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings, was hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers -- the first black head coach in the team's 74-year history
He accepted the job Sunday night and the hiring was announced Monday, with the contract to be completed later in the day. He was negotiating a four-year contract expected to pay him about $2.5 million a year. The Steelers will hold a press conference at 3:30 p.m. ET Monday to announce that Mike Tomlin is, indeed, black.

[blackhawk]

williams was better qb than horse face but horse face is in the hall of fame doug williams is not!

[Fairplay]

I predict a black coach will win the superbowl.

[acesn8s]

I predict a black coach will win the superbowl.
Now that is going out on a limb.

Where will the justice be when a black coach loses the Super Bowl? Will it be because the Man is holding him down?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

The only thing amazing about it is what it does for young black kids all over the world. Instead of dreaming to be a football player now they can dream of being a coach. I don't think that either of these teams started the season saying lets get to the super bowl so we can have our black coach be the first one to get in. It shouldn't be about color im just glad that its over with and it will not be an issue anymore.

Give me a ****ing break.

How does that help any kid, black or white, want to be a coach? If you want something, go out and get it, damn.

If I'm danish and I want to be a kicker, does it help me that Mort Andersen is danish and a kicker? **** no. It's a load of shit. Same with Dungy and Smith, they're coaching in the Super Bowl because they're good coaches, not because they're black, or white, or orange, or whatever.

[DJ_is_the_realdeal]

So you are telling me that blacks didn't get certain jobs because of the color of their skin? How long did people say that blacks couldn't be quarterbacks? Are you in denial? How many talented blacks get looked over because no one wanted to rock the good ol' boy boat? By the way you must be messed up in the head because of all the kickers out there you pick freakin Morten Andersen! WOW!

[jAZ]

Give me a ****ing break.

How does that help any kid, black or white, want to be a coach? If you want something, go out and get it, damn.

If I'm danish and I want to be a kicker, does it help me that Mort Andersen is danish and a kicker? **** no. It's a load of shit. Same with Dungy and Smith, they're coaching in the Super Bowl because they're good coaches, not because they're black, or white, or orange, or whatever.
Awareness of examples of successful role models helps insprire kids. Black kids aren't any different than white kids in that way. There are plenty of things that kids don't have the confidence that they can achieve. Role models help move kids to do great things. That doesn't just happen on it's own.

[DJ_is_the_realdeal]

Jaz, could not of put it any better.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Wow, then these kids must have low self-esteem. I don't need to see someone do something to let me know it's "okay" for me to do it because he did it.

Either that, or I have a bigger than average ego. :)

And where are the parents? Don't their parents show them that they can do anything if they put their minds to it? Dang.

[Fish]

Awareness of examples of successful role models helps insprire kids. Black kids aren't any different than white kids in that way. There are plenty of things that kids don't have the confidence that they can achieve. Role models help move kids to do great things. That doesn't just happen on it's own.

The thing about it that gets me is... kids don't know what a successful role model is supposed to be these days....

The average young black kid would be more inclined to look up to Michael Vick or T.O., than he would Tony Dungy or Lovie Smith. That's why I won't bitch about them making a big deal about this situation... If this one situation can give a young black kid a role model other than a rapper or sports thug, then it's probably a good thing.

JMO...

[luv]

Okay, so my mom calls me today. She asked if I saw the game last night. I say yes. She says she's happy that the "blue team" won, since they'd never been to a Super Bowl. I'm rolling my eyes at this point. She's also happy the Bears got in because it'd been so long. I asked her if she'd ever root for KC in that scenario (she doesn't like the Chiefs). She said she might have to if they could ever make it past the playoffs.

Anyway, she goes on two tell me about the historic event of there being two African American head coaches in the Super Bowl. I told her that the QB's were both white. She said, "So?" I told her that's exactly my sentiment about the coach thing. It doesn't matter. I hate the media.

[DJ_is_the_realdeal]

Vanilla, that's the point you are missing. Do you have kids? I have 4 kids 3 girls and one boy and its tough out there. Kids aren't like they use to be. They fight on a dime, they are having kids way to early and you also have these parents that are young themselves and don't know how to raise them. So when you have a kid out there that is raised poorly and has no male role model in his life, its HARD. My first post was wrong because I said it would help black kids, but thats what I know. Jaz was right it should help any kid that needs that needs a role model black or white.

[blackhawk]

for a white guy jaz you all right!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

The thing about it that gets me is... kids don't know what a successful role model is supposed to be these days....

The average young black kid would be more inclined to look up to Michael Vick or T.O., than he would Tony Dungy or Lovie Smith. That's why I won't bitch about them making a big deal about this situation... If this one situation can give a young black kid a role model other than a rapper or sports thug, then it's probably a good thing.

JMO...

I agree, but why does the role model have to be black? Why does it have to be about color?

[Mr. Plow]

I have a black friend.

[DJJasonp]

We should call up and Vanilla Ice and Eminem and ask them if this is the kind of crap they had to put up with throughout their careers?

[jAZ]

I agree, but why does the role model have to be black? Why does it have to be about color?
Because in some ways all humans are basically simplistic creatures who understand that which they can relate to. In an exaggerated sense, t's the same reason that my son would have a lot harder time looking up to a rattle snake as a role model. In a less exaggerated sense, it's why a boy needs a father as a role model.

[Fish]

I agree, but why does the role model have to be black? Why does it have to be about color?

It doesn't have to be about color. But with today's media that's what we get... that's the juiciest angle for them and generates the biggest response, so we're stuck with it. I think the majority can agree that it "shouldn't" be about color, but our society is still hung up on it. And because our society is still hung up on it, young kids are going to look toward people of their own race first for role models. That's not right, but we're not going to change that social mindset before the SB, so what's the harm in using this as an opportunity to show kids that anybody can make it to the top and be a SB coach?

[jAZ]

Wow, then these kids must have low self-esteem. I don't need to see someone do something to let me know it's "okay" for me to do it because he did it.

Either that, or I have a bigger than average ego. :)

And where are the parents? Don't their parents show them that they can do anything if they put their minds to it? Dang.
It's not that it's "okay". It's that it's not "impossible" or "a waste of time". The parents of the sorts of kids we are talking about likely had crappy role models as well.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I see...

[LV Tim]

for a white guy jaz you all right!

:spock:

I will be glad when, or if, people finally get past this.

Would it be ok if I were to qualify peoples character based on race, sex, nationality, religion, or anything else?

I would be ashamed to tell someone
"you're ok . . . for a _____" woman, Mexican, Catholic, whatever

[jAZ]

:spock:

I will be glad when, or if, people finally get past this.

Would it be ok if I were to qualify peoples character based on race, sex, nationality, religion, or anything else?

I would be ashamed to tell someone
"you're ok . . . for a _____" woman, Mexican, Catholic, whatever
In all seriousness, I'm sure most would completely agree with you. I took it as a joke.

[crazycoffey]

:spock:

I will be glad when, or if, people finally get past this.

Would it be ok if I were to qualify peoples character based on race, sex, nationality, religion, or anything else?

I would be ashamed to tell someone
"you're ok . . . for a _____" woman, Mexican, Catholic, whatever



If you know me at all you would know I'm not a racist.

That disclaimer aside, one time I accidently said "that's mighty white of you" to a fellow solider.


he was black


I am white


It did get very tense for a few moments, because he didn't know me as well as I thought he did.


I truely do not know what came over me to say it in the first place.

[DJ_is_the_realdeal]

Hey LV Tim what does the underline mean?

[stevieray]

so, until yesterday, (african)american kids didn't know what they could achieve?

I don't buy it.

[LV Tim]

Hey LV Tim what does the underline mean?

It means "insert you're qualifier here" like what followed.

[jAZ]

so, until yesterday, (african)american kids didn't know what they could achieve?

I don't buy it.
Do you have kids?

[Brock]

Do you have kids?

You've had yours for how long?

[stevieray]

Do you have kids?

cut the cord on both girls.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Everyone who doesn't like the talk about the coaches' race won't have to endure it very much longer. Going forward, it really won't matter and that is a great thing.

[jAZ]

cut the cord on both girls.
Congratulations... so you understand the significance of kids and their need to learn by example or experience rather than merely trying to understand some abstract idea that they have no connection with.

Hell, it's not even just kids... I'm sure you consider yourself an eternal student of your artwork. You observe other artists, gain inspiration from visual experiences, etc.

Imagine trying to become a great artist based on someone telling you... "hey kid, I know you've never even so much as seen a crayon before, but trust me... you can be a great artist".

You of all people should likely appreciate the role of seeing something done before really understanding what it means and believing that you might be able to do that yourself.

[jAZ]

Everyone who doesn't like the talk about the coaches' race won't have to endure it very much longer. Going forward, it really won't matter and that is a great thing.
Tis true.

People stopped talking about the triumph of the black quarterback. Vince Young was great because he performed on the field.

[Nightwish]

going two the superbowl $hit just hit the fan!
If Rush Limbaugh were dead, he'd be spinning in his grave.

[stevieray]

Congratulations... so you understand the significance of kids and their need to learn by example or experience rather than merely trying to understand some abstract idea that they have no connection with.

Hell, it's not even just kids... I'm sure you consider yourself an eternal student of your artwork. You observe other artists, gain inspiration from visual experiences, etc.

Imagine trying to become a great artist based on someone telling you... "hey kid, I know you've never even so much as seen a crayon before, but trust me... you can be a great artist".

You of all people should likely appreciate the role of seeing something done before really understanding what it means and believing that you might be able to do that yourself.

and as it should be, the content of your post has nothing to do with the color of the artist's skin.

white coaches inspire white and black kids and players.
black coaches inspire white and black kids and players .
white players inspire white and black kids
black players inspire white and black kids.

another thing we can thank lamar for.