OFFICIAL KU vs Texas A&M

[teedubya]

#8 Texas A&M @ #6 Kansas

Big Game at Allen Fieldhouse.

Lets see what the 'Hawks got.

[Saulbadguy]

CU beats OSU.
K-State beats tU.
ISU is up on Baylor.
Make it a perfect sweep of the South?

[Bearcat]

Haven't seen A&M play this year... their resume is pretty similar to Kansas'... played with the at-the-time #1 team in the nation, beat Oklahoma State, lost @Texas Tech.

Shouldn't be hard to get focused for this one.

[teedubya]

CU beats OSU.
K-State beats tU.
ISU is up on Baylor.
Make it a perfect sweep of the South?


you go to KSU / Texas today? Would have been a good one for ya. Congrats.

[Saulbadguy]

you go to KSU / Texas today? Would have been a good one for ya. Congrats.
No, it was in Austin.

[KcMizzou]

No, it was in Austin.Wow, damn. That's a hell of a win.

Grats.

[BWillie]

Dick Vitale, Jay Bilas, and Digger are all in the house. Is it just me, or do Dick and Digger not like each other? It appeared Dick was joking around, but it looked like Digger wasn't to pleased.

[Lzen]

Where is leviw? He is supposed to start these game threads. Ari, if the Jayhawks lose, it's on you. :cuss:

[BWillie]

Where is leviw? He is supposed to start these game threads. Ari, if the Jayhawks lose, it's on you. :cuss:

I've only started one, and that was against Florida. So far I'm 1/1 against the best team in the country (supposedly). I blame Ari if we lose :mad:

:)

[Lzen]

WTF? ESPN just showed Julian Wright had a career high 17 points last Monday against Nebraska? I thought his career high was 20 something against Florida.

[kstater]

Hope the chickenhawks win, will make Wednesday much more sweeter.

[BWillie]

Hope the chickenhawks win, will make Wednesday much more sweeter.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

K-State fans think they are going to win, that's cute.

[Bearcat]

WTF? ESPN just showed Julian Wright had a career high 17 points last Monday against Nebraska? I thought his career high was 20 something against Florida.

23 against URI and 21 against Florida.

[Lzen]

23 against URI and 21 against Florida.

OK, so the ESPN stats tracking people suck.

[Lzen]

Hope the chickenhawks win, will make Wednesday much more sweeter.

Wednesday will be a good game. Make no mistake, though. KU will not come out flat against KSU this year. I predict a KU victory. :)

[Lzen]

KU is something like 31-0 against the Big 12 South in Allen Fieldhouse, btw. Here's to making it 32-0. :toast:

[the Talking Can]

rock chalk!

[the Talking Can]

god bless Erin Andrew's large breasts

[CoMoChief]

Collins should start.

[Lzen]

Collins should start.
Eh, there's something to be said for Russell Robinson's leadership. Plus, he's a better defender.

[CoMoChief]

Eh, there's something to be said for Russell Robinson's leadership. Plus, he's a better defender.
Collins overall is a better player. I dont think Robinson is the leader of that team anyways.

[CoMoChief]

Kaun is terrible.

[Lzen]

Kaun is terrible.


Oh, c'mon. Don't you think that's a little harsh? Kaun is a little clumsy. Although not as clumsy as some KU big men of the past like Ostertag. Kaun is a valuable asset. Sure, he makes some boneheaded plays. But he makes plenty of good plays, as well. And he is a great defensive presence.

[Lzen]

Russell Robinson with the block!

[CoMoChief]

KU will lose this game if they keep turning the ball over.

[Lzen]

No doubt. Those turnovers are killers. Need to play smarter.

[CoMoChief]

Oh, c'mon. Don't you think that's a little harsh? Kaun is a little clumsy. Although not as clumsy as some KU big men of the past like Ostertag. Kaun is a valuable asset. Sure, he makes some boneheaded plays. But he makes plenty of good plays, as well. And he is a great defensive presence.

No it's harsh. His foot work is horrible, constantly bobbles passes down low. Every move down low he does it with his head pointed down to the floor. He just doesnt have any presence of where the basket is at. I would much rather have Ostertag than Kaun.

[the Talking Can]

A&M hasn't given up more than 70 all year

they are tight defensively

[BWillie]

No it's harsh. His foot work is horrible, constantly bobbles passes down low. Every move down low he does it with his head pointed down to the floor. He just doesnt have any presence of where the basket is at. I would much rather have Ostertag than Kaun.

Kaun had a 5 game stretch this year where he looked like the best player on our team. He'll be ok, you have to live with his mistakes. He's a post presence that we dearly need to play well.

[DJay23]

If KU played with the hustle, fundamentals, and execution of A&M we'd win by 30.

[the Talking Can]

If KU played with the hustle, fundamentals, and execution of A&M we'd win by 30.

good lord, relax...no one is going to beat A&M by 30

[Lzen]

Rush is finally heating up.

[CoMoChief]

Rush needs to get going.

[the Talking Can]

Collins = WOW

[Anyong Bluth]

Collins finish on that penetration was ridiculous

[Lzen]

Man, how many times are they gonna allow AM to push off?

[DJay23]

That's a horrible no-call.

[the Talking Can]

That's a horrible no-call.

no shit... and then the T.....screw job

[leviw]

Dammitt. I forgot to start this thread. If KU loses, I'll take the blame.

But as of now, this is setting up to be a good one...

[Anyong Bluth]

I'm rooting for KU for sure, but the game is really good!

[Lzen]

Wow, I love how Collins attacks the paint.

[DJay23]

Boy Collins is exciting to watch.

[Saulbadguy]

Did I hear a "bullshit" chant? ;)

[DJay23]

Why do they continue to allow Wright to shoot jumpers?

[the Talking Can]

Collins is like 5'2 and totally fearlesss....he will have a great career here

[leviw]

Collins is like 5'2 and totally fearlesss....he will have a great career here

Word.

[Lzen]

Did I hear a "bullshit" chant? ;)

Probably. Refs allowed Law to get away with a pushoff. The was at least the 2nd one that I've seen. Then Self is getting onto the refs for not calling the foul on Law. Then Self gets the technical foul. It was a BS sequence all around.

[Saulbadguy]

Probably. Refs allowed Law to get away with a pushoff. The was at least the 2nd one that I've seen. Then Self is getting onto the refs for not calling the foul on Law. Then Self gets the technical foul. It was a BS sequence all around.
A&M and KU play the same style of basketball, very physical.

The best thing they can do is let them play, otherwise there would be 50+ fouls called.

[Lzen]

A&M and KU play the same style of basketball, very physical.

The best thing they can do is let them play, otherwise there would be 50+ fouls called.

I realize this. But when a guy pushes the defender to the floor, you gotta call the offensive foul. It happened when Chalmers was guarding a Texas AM player the first time I noticed it. Then Robinson was guarding Law when Self went ballistic. Physical is okay. Overly physical is not acceptable. A foul is still a foul.

[DJay23]

Overall pretty well officiated. They lett Acie Law get away with murder on a couple plays, but for as rough a game as it's been the refs have been pretty good.

We need to push the ball a bit in the second half, especially early on, try to push the lead to about 10. A&M has been good at getting back in transition, but we've got to wear them down. We've got better depth. We're pretty evenly matched otherwise.

[the Talking Can]

and we need to get Rush some shots

Rush and Collins

[BWillie]

Can KU go the whole year without having a inside scoring presence? We might not even need it. I've been waiting for it to develop but our guards are so good. With Collins and Chalmers penetrating the lane, I guess it's a good substitute.

[leviw]

and we need to get Rush some shots

Rush and Collins

KU just needs to keep playing D. That's what suits this team the best. The points will come.

[Lzen]

Herm Edwards is at the KU game.

[CoMoChief]

WTF is Herm doing at the game?!?!

[leviw]

WTF is Herm doing at the game?!?!

NOT preparing for the Super Bowl.


Ho Hum.

[DJay23]

Heh, Herm is there.

[CoMoChief]

Boschee needs to suit up lol.

[Saulbadguy]

WTF is Herm doing at the game?!?!
It's a "be seen" place. Why do you think most of the chairbacks have people who don't stand or cheer, or wear crimson and blue?

[CoMoChief]

That seemed like a clean block to me.

[CoMoChief]

Kaun sucks.

[Buck]

A&M just put up the worst defensive sequence I've ever seen and KU didnt even score.

[Lzen]

I've seen games with KC Chiefs players before. Seems like Tony Gonzalez and a couple other KC Chiefs were at a game earlier this year. Who is to say that the Chiefs coach can't attend?

[CoMoChief]

Ive seen Boomer there, but I think he actually takes classes at KU IIRC.

[DJay23]

God bless Erin Andrews and her lovely big breasteses.

[leviw]

I've seen games with KC Chiefs players before. Seems like Tony Gonzalez and a couple other KC Chiefs were at a game earlier this year. Who is to say that the Chiefs coach can't attend?

He looked hammered.

[CoMoChief]

I've seen games with KC Chiefs players before. Seems like Tony Gonzalez and a couple other KC Chiefs were at a game earlier this year. Who is to say that the Chiefs coach can't attend?


Because they havent won a playoff game since 1994. :p

[Lzen]

God bless Erin Andrews and her lovely big breasteses.

That's the 2nd time tonight someone has said that. ;)

[Lzen]

He looked hammered.

Maybe he was. Drowning in his sorrow of not getting anywhere in the playoffs.

[CoMoChief]

Horseshit call IMO.

[Lzen]

WTF is up with these refs? Terrible call.

[DJay23]

That's ****ing terrible.

A couple plays already Aggies went sliding after loose balls. They were close no calls, but still ok. THAT was not travelling, not even in the slightest.

[Mr. Laz]

don't wanna hear any garbage about how KU always gets all the calls.

:banghead:

[DaKCMan AP]

God bless Erin Andrews and her lovely big breasteses.

Gator alum.

[Lzen]

Wow, all of KU's guards are doing a great job of attacking the paint tonight.

[Lzen]

Gator alum.

I'll bet they're fake.

[CoMoChief]

Kaun sucks.

[CoMoChief]

Self needs to bench Kaun.

[DJay23]

Our guys are really hustling on the boards.

I like the looks of Rush tonight. He is going AT THEM.

[leviw]

Sasha Kaun's play hurts my feelings.

[Mr. Laz]

Self needs to bench Kaun.
go **** yourself

[CoMoChief]

Hmmm I dont know about that foul. Collins seemed a little out of control.

[Lzen]

Kaun sucks.
Dude, Kaun does not suck. Yes, he is having a subpar game tonight. But his presence has been a big reason for KU winning a lot of games. If he had been healthy for the Oral Roberts game, I think KU would have won.

[DJay23]

I'll bet they're fake.
If I can touch em....they're real.

[Mr. Laz]

Dude, Kaun does not suck. Yes, he is having a subpar game tonight. But his presence has been a big reason for KU winning a lot of games. If he had been healthy for the Oral Roberts game, I think KU would have won.
:clap:

[CoMoChief]

go **** yourself
He's such an offensive liability it's not even funny. Against a good defensive team like AM we need as many scorers as we can have.

Oh, and go **** yourself as well.

[CoMoChief]

They've been calling 3 sec more than I'm used to seeing.

[CoMoChief]

That a baby Collins.

[Skip Towne]

COLLINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CoMoChief]

Herm looks like a black Payne Stewart.

[Mr. Laz]

Kaun is raw ... too bad he isn't playing for a coach who knows how to develop a big guy.

i've yet to see Self develop any of the big guys at KU.

[leviw]

He's such an offensive liability it's not even funny. Against a good defensive team like AM we need as many scorers as we can have.

Oh, and go **** yourself as well.

You almost have to have Kaun's inside presence. His inablility to hit inside shots on a consistent basis is tough to watch, but without him, KU doesn't have that "big" post that Self likes.

Jackson doesn't play defense. Wright and Arthur are finesse guys.

[Lzen]

CoMoChief,
you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I just think you're blind to the impact of Kaun. I know we like to criticize Self for his coaching decisions, but he is a good coach. I'm sure if Kaun was so terrible, as you say, Self would be smart enough to leave him on the bench.

[Bearcat]

If I can touch em....they're real.

Just make sure there isn't a SO in the room. They probably wouldn't understand why you're sitting so close to the TV.

[DJay23]

They've been calling 3 sec more than I'm used to seeing.
Good post D.

And who plays in the post for KU?.....

[Buck]

HAHA!!! Great Coach LMAO

[Mr. Laz]

CoMoChief,
you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I just think you're blind to the impact of Kaun. I know we like to criticize Self for his coaching decisions, but he is a good coach. I'm sure if Kaun was so terrible, as you say, Self would be smart enough to leave him on the bench.
Kaun does a ton of the "other things"

he steps out on the screen ... he rolls to the weakside help. He sets screens every game.

he works hard ... we have no real half court offense, the big guys are pretty much left to fend for themselves on this team.

[Lzen]

You almost have to have Kaun's inside presence. His inablility to hit inside shots on a consistent basis is tough to watch, but without him, KU doesn't have that "big" post that Self likes.

Jackson doesn't play defense. Wright and Arthur are finesse guys.

You put into words exactly how I feel about it. :thumb:

[Bearcat]

"Any truth to the rumor that you're going to talk to Bill Self after the game about installing the Hi-Lo in your offense, or are the passes too long for your liking?"

[DJay23]

Too bad Brandon aired that one out. He borke that dude's ankles.

[CoMoChief]

Kaun does a ton of the "other things"

he steps out on the screen ... he rolls to the weakside help. He sets screens every game.

he works hard ... we have no real half court offense, the big guys are pretty much left to fend for themselves on this team.


You're acting like setting screens is hard to do and only some people can do it. Anyone can set a screen.

[Lzen]

Holy cow!! What a heads up play by Darnell Jackson!!

[Mr. Laz]

man ... collins has turned into a beast

:clap:

[Mr. Laz]

You're acting like setting screens is hard to do and only some people can do it. Anyone can set a screen.
there are alot of things in basketball that "anyone can do"

but people still don't do them ... kaun does

[CoMoChief]

Kaun is raw ... too bad he isn't playing for a coach who knows how to develop a big guy.

i've yet to see Self develop any of the big guys at KU.

Brian Cook was good

[CoMoChief]

man ... collins has turned into a beast

:clap:

Which is why he needs to start.

[Mr. Laz]

Brian Cook was good
who the heck is brian cook?

[Lzen]

who the heck is brian cook?

Illinois player.

[Mr. Laz]

Holy cow!! What a heads up play by Darnell Jackson!!
on both ends of the court


:)

[Mr. Laz]

Illinois player.
oh ...

like i said "i've yet to see Self develop any big man AT KU"

[Anyong Bluth]

Can KU go the whole year without having a inside scoring presence? We might not even need it. I've been waiting for it to develop but our guards are so good. With Collins and Chalmers penetrating the lane, I guess it's a good substitute.


If they can get decent production out of the post, and add in Collins, Chalmers and Rush getting penetration, they can work to keep teams from collapsing down on the post and keep the D playing honest. Penetration and Post play will keep the outside shots open and let them run the O fine.

[Mr. Laz]

dam ... desperation 3's are keeping A&M in the game.

[DJay23]

Jesus Christ, I bet we're one of the worst 3 pt FG against teams in the country.

[CoMoChief]

Once again bad call by the refs.

[Mr. Laz]

Jesus Christ, I bet we're one of the worst 3 pt FG against teams in the country.
cause we alway roll and help ... you just can't move as fast as the ball can be passed.

it leaves people open eventually.

[DJay23]

What was the call on that foul by Collins? Looked like a play on situation to me.

[CoMoChief]

Jesus Christ, I bet we're one of the worst 3 pt FG against teams in the country.


Im gonna keep saying this. We need a guard that can shoot well. Collins has that, why he doesn't start I dont know.

[DJay23]

cause we alway roll and help ... you just can't move as fast as the ball can be passed.

it leaves people open eventually.

[Mr. Laz]

What was the call on that foul by Collins? Looked like a play on situation to me.
chalmers i think


he ran through a screen ........ literally..

[Lzen]

cause we alway roll and help ... you just can't move as fast as the ball can be passed.

it leaves people open eventually.
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Yep. And often times it seems that the double team is unnecessary. :banghead:

[DJay23]

chalmers i think


he ran through a screen ........ literally..
Announcer said Collins' 3rd, did they get it wrong?

[CoMoChief]

TOLD YA BABY!!!!!!!

[DJay23]

I love Collins

[Mr. Laz]

chalmers i think


he ran through a screen ........ literally..
my bad ... it was collins

[CoMoChief]

Holy Shit Kaun made one!

[Mr. Laz]

Sasha!!

[DJay23]

Sasha's post moves are as fast as molasses in January.

[Skip Towne]

Bury these mofos.

[Lzen]

Im gonna keep saying this. We need a guard that can shoot well. Collins has that, why he doesn't start I dont know.

I'm gonna guess that Collins will be starting next year. Either way, it's nice to have 3 very talented guards. Then you can add in Rush who is listed as a guard but I think he's more like a small forward.

[DJay23]

Chalmers has had a quiet night.

[CoMoChief]

I see Collins has the LJ haircut.

[Lzen]

I'm gonna guess that Collins will be starting next year. Either way, it's nice to have 3 very talented guards. Then you can add in Rush who is listed as a guard but I think he's more like a small forward.

I should add that it's possible that Rush isn't here next year. Although it is my opinions that his game still isn't quite ready for the NBA.

[Mr. Laz]

Sasha's post moves are as fast as molasses in January.
he's still learning ... didn't play basketball until he junior year of high school IIRC.

he would be further along if they went to him with more consistency.

[Mr. Laz]

why wasn't that traveling on him ... he was rolling all over the place.

robinson didn't even do that much.

[CoMoChief]

We need to limit them shooting 3's.

[Lzen]

If Kaun is so terrible, why is AM doubling him?

[the Talking Can]

this is our best job on the boards all season...but A&M won't go away...everytime we get up 8-10 we get impatient on the offensive end and they hit a 3...

still I'm happy with our play...

[Mr. Laz]

If Kaun is so terrible, why is AM doubling him?
he isn't terrible ... he just isn't Kevin Durant.

[DJay23]

he's still learning ... didn't play basketball until he junior year of high school IIRC.

he would be further along if they went to him with more consistency.
Yes, I know all of this.

[CoMoChief]

If Kaun is so terrible, why is AM doubling him?


Because as uncoordinated as he is (im sure they know that) they know they can probably force a TO.

[Lzen]

One area where Kaun and Wright really struggle is FT shooting. Uggh.

[Mr. Laz]

Yes, I know all of this.
just talking :shrug:

[Mr. Laz]

One area where Kaun and Wright really struggle is FT shooting. Uggh.
our entire team is pretty weak on the FT line

robinson and chalmers are the only ones that don't suck

[Anyong Bluth]

No one is leaving KU this year for the draft.

[Lzen]

Because as uncoordinated as he is (im sure they know that) they know they can probably force a TO.
Lame

[CoMoChief]

One area where Kaun and Wright really struggle is FT shooting. Uggh.

Yeah no kidding. I wish Wright would work on his shooting more.

[Mr. Laz]

No one is leaving KU this year for the draft.
yep ... nobody is good enough for the NBA right now

[Mr. Laz]

dammit, dammit, dammit

[CoMoChief]

We better not blow this ****ing game.

[the Talking Can]

I don't understand why we try so hard to get it to Kaun....run screens for Rush/Mario/Collins...if Kaun gets a rebound great...

[Mr. Laz]

did CoMo used to go by the name Gunther fan?

[DJay23]

It's nut check time boys...

[the Talking Can]

so you can tackle players now?

[Mr. Laz]

Hack-a-Kaun

[CoMoChief]

Not a bad gameplan by A&M. Foul the worst player on the court. Self needs to bench Kaun now.

[Lzen]

Ok, need to get getter FT shooters in there.

[DJay23]

That's ****ing cheap.

[CoMoChief]

that wasnt a foul.

[Mr. Laz]

oh bullshit

[Buck]

Where's the foul?

[DJay23]

Not a bad gameplan by A&M. Foul the worst player on the court. Self needs to bench Kaun now.
Yeah except it was intentional.

[the Talking Can]

have we scored in an hour, or are we still trying to feed Kaun in the post?

[DJay23]

I retract my statement about the officiating. It's really sucked in the second half.

[the Talking Can]

Where's the foul?

uh, when he tackled him to the floor...or is that legal now?

[the Talking Can]

nice feed by RR!

[Mr. Laz]

need the big stop

[CoMoChief]

Jesus Christ.

[Mr. Laz]

oh crap ... self called a timeout


the quickest way to kill our offense is for Self to actually call a play.

[the Talking Can]

YOU KNEW HE WAS GOING TO SHOT A 3

GUARD HIM FOR **** SAKE


jesus....there was no doubt they would make a 3, so guard them for the love of god

[Mr. Laz]

watch that retard tell them to hold the ball until 10 seconds are left so we don't have time to do anything.

[CoMoChief]

Good lord.

[Mr. Laz]

nice play call

[Buck]

That was shitty.

[the Talking Can]

gee that wasn't predicatable

our set plays eat ass

way to blow it guys

[CoMoChief]

Why did AM call a timeout?

[the Talking Can]

watch that retard tell them to hold the ball until 10 seconds are left so we don't have time to do anything.

bingo

[Mr. Laz]

we need to have robinson,chalmer,collins,wright and rush in the game

[CoMoChief]

Great we're drawing up another play.

[Lzen]

Hate to say it, but the officiating gave this game away. Seems when KU was on a great run there, they were trying to do everything they could to keep AM in it. :shake:

[CoMoChief]

Hate to say it, but the officiating gave this game away. Seems when KU was on a great run there, they were trying to do everything they could to keep AM in it. :shake:


This game was really poor officiating.

[DJay23]

Why did AM call a timeout?
Set up their D I guess.

Some coaches would rather tell their guys what to do rather than rely on chaos from the other team.

[ChiTown]

Hate to say it, but the officiating gave this game away. Seems when KU was on a great run there, they were trying to do everything they could to keep AM in it. :shake:


ROFL

Are you serious?

[CoMoChief]

Boy that was a terrible play.

[DJay23]

Gay

[Mr. Laz]

hey ... so lets see how many streaks Bill Self can kill.

[CoMoChief]

ROFL

Are you serious?


If you watched the game you have to admit it was terrible officiating. Never let em play. HAving that said it shouldnt have come down to that.

[Al Czervik]

Nope....Officiating wasnt the problem....The problem is Self....

[Lzen]

ROFL

Are you serious?

Yes, I am serious. Did you watch the game? There were several key plays where the refs totally screwed us. Now, I give them credit for hanging in there and playing great defense, but there was a few key BS calls that really changed the momentum.

[DJay23]

ROFL

Are you serious?
Here come the weak as rivals.

[Simply Red]

FuK!!

UNC now KU?

SH!T!

[Saulbadguy]

Gee, thanks. Now we can't take over 1st place if we win on Wednesday.

[Mr. Laz]

Nope....Officiating wasnt the problem....The problem is Self....
Self is a pretty weak ass coach


he's saved by good recruiting

[Lzen]

Here come the weak as rivals.

No kidding. Never fails.

[chiefsfan987]

Nope....Officiating wasnt the problem....The problem is Self....

I agree. Kaun should never be in the game in the final minutes if its a tight game, he's garunteed to throw the ball away, miss free throw's, commit a dumb foul etc.

[Saulbadguy]

Hate to say it, but the officiating gave this game away. Seems when KU was on a great run there, they were trying to do everything they could to keep AM in it. :shake:
ROFL

Come on man. That's weak.

[ChiTown]

Here come the weak as rivals.

Nah.

I just can't believe ANY KU fan would have the balls to call out officials after the 100+ years of calls they've been getting from the refs at AFH.

[DJay23]

No kidding. Never fails.
Saul was the only one in here the whole game. And he doesn't even really count becuase he's a closet KU fan.

[Lzen]

WTF was up with giving the last shot to Chalmers? He didn't do much the whole game. Why not let Rush or Collins take the last second 3 attempt?

[Saulbadguy]

Anyways, A&M is a pretty damn good team. At first I thought they were overrated but I was wrong. We had em on the ropes in College Station but let them off the hook..DAMN, that pisses me off.

Wed. night should be a good game.

[Simply Red]

Nah.

I just can't believe ANY KU fan would have the balls to call out officials after the 100+ years of calls they've been getting from the refs at AFH.

Maybe a little, Nothing like the calls Duke get...

[Mr. Laz]

WTF was up with giving the last shot to Chalmers? He didn't do much the whole game. Why not let Rush or Collins take the last second 3 attempt?
Self

[BWillie]

Man, that was a choke job there. Up by 11, then just piss it down your leg. That was one pathetic ending. Give credit to Law, that guy is one amazing player but Jeesus.

[Saulbadguy]

Saul was the only one in here the whole game. And he doesn't even really count becuase he's a closet KU fan.
I rooted for them tonight because I wanted Wednesday night to be the battle for first place.

[Lzen]

ROFL

Come on man. That's weak.

Push offs by AM players that weren't called, traveling on Robinson that wasn't even close, tackling of Kaun that should have been called intentional, etc., etc. The thing that was weak was the officiating. The only reason you purple pussy fans say it is weak is because you enjoy watching KU lose, screw job or not.

[Silock]

So, you're saying that of the two fouls on Kaun, neither was intentional? He gets tackled in the backcourt, then when they don't get the foul called for him, he gets intentionally hacked without the ball, and it's not a T?

Come on.

That being said, KU blew an 11 point lead. Again. At home.

I have zero confidence in this squad. A&M is good, but they shouldn't beat KU at home.

[DJay23]

Nah.

I just can't believe ANY KU fan would have the balls to call out officials after the 100+ years of calls they've been getting from the refs at AFH.
There is one call in particular that could have won us this game, and that was the intentional foul against Kaun that they didn't call intentional after they missed the FIRST one where Kaun got tackled at half court on an inbounds play. First half I though with the exception of Acie Law doing what he wanted to his defenders it was pretty well reffed. Second half it sucked balls.

[the Talking Can]

we still don't have one guy who is THE MAN

at the end of the game everyone tries to make a play and it looks like giraffes humping hamsters...sigh

[ChiTown]

Push offs by AM players that weren't called, traveling on Robinson that wasn't even close, tackling of Kaun that should have been called intentional, etc., etc. The thing that was weak was the officiating. The only reason you purple pussy fans say it is weak is because you enjoy watching KU lose, screw job or not.

ROFL

Let it all out.........

[Saulbadguy]

Push offs by AM players that weren't called, traveling on Robinson that wasn't even close, tackling of Kaun that should have been called intentional, etc., etc. The thing that was weak was the officiating. The only reason you purple pussy fans say it is weak is because you enjoy watching KU lose, screw job or not.
Naw, I didn't care about the outcome of this game, I actually wanted KU to win because it would help KSU.

But, really, KU fans should never complain about calls. Ever. Even if you aren't a KU fan, you shouldn't complain about calls, or say it cost you the game. Hell, K-State shot 6 free throws today in Austin compared to 18 by Texas and we still won.

[DJay23]

Anyways, A&M is a pretty damn good team. At first I thought they were overrated but I was wrong. We had em on the ropes in College Station but let them off the hook..DAMN, that pisses me off.

Wed. night should be a good game.
I have a feeling we'll crush K-State. Just a feeling I have.

[Saulbadguy]

I have a feeling we'll crush K-State. Just a feeling I have.
Probably. I don't see KU losing two in a row, but I don't think it will be a blow out with the way we've been playing defense.

[Lzen]

ROFL

Let it all out.........

Obviously, you either A: didn't watch the game and just saw the end or B: your purple colored glasses cloud your sense of objectivity.

[DJay23]

Naw, I didn't care about the outcome of this game, I actually wanted KU to win because it would help KSU.

But, really, KU fans should never complain about calls. Ever. Even if you aren't a KU fan, you shouldn't complain about calls, or say it cost you the game. Hell, K-State shot 6 free throws today in Austin compared to 18 by Texas and we still won.
I usually agree. KU blew a big lead, lost their intensity in the last 5 minutes. That being said, there were several HORRIBLE calls by the refs. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

[ChiTown]

Naw, I didn't care about the outcome of this game, I actually wanted KU to win because it would help KSU.

But, really, KU fans should never complain about calls. Ever. Even if you aren't a KU fan, you shouldn't complain about calls, or say it cost you the game. Hell, K-State shot 6 free throws today in Austin compared to 18 by Texas and we still won.


I agreee Saul. I was pulling for KU all the way. Why?

1. I always root for the North

2. I wanted K-State to face KU on a roll and in sole possession of 1st

[BWillie]

I blame Herm Edwards, he was sitting behind the KU bench. Bad Karma right there

[ROYC75]

Same old shit ........ This team has no one who can step up in the end as much as no team leadership. A world of talent and no clue how to put a game away..........

Some of my fellow Jayhawk fans were pissed cause I wasn't happy after the NU game, I told them we lose focus too easily ....... 12 point lead at home tonight and lose ?

Self is a great recruiter ..... average coach.

[Mr. Laz]

Push offs by AM players that weren't called, traveling on Robinson that wasn't even close, tackling of Kaun that should have been called intentional, etc., etc. The thing that was weak was the officiating. The only reason you purple pussy fans say it is weak is because you enjoy watching KU lose, screw job or not.
it's true ... KU got screwed on several calls throughout the game.


But Self is the bigger problem


we've got no offensive gameplan ... tonight it was screens,screens and more screens. Next game is will be Hi-low Hell.

all you have to do is look at vitually ever play called at the end of the half or the game by Self ... it looks like somebody vomited on a chalkboard.

i mean how many times are we gonna wait until 10 seconds are left only to run out of time?

Bill Self and Herman Edward are to offense what lorena Bobbitt is to a hardon.

[Lzen]

Naw, I didn't care about the outcome of this game, I actually wanted KU to win because it would help KSU.

But, really, KU fans should never complain about calls. Ever. Even if you aren't a KU fan, you shouldn't complain about calls, or say it cost you the game. Hell, K-State shot 6 free throws today in Austin compared to 18 by Texas and we still won.

Yeah, that was pretty bad. However, Texas was playing zone and KSU was shooting a lot of 3s. That combination leads to less foul calls. Still, KSU probably should have shot more FTs. That's the thing. Pretty much in any game, the home team gets the benefit. Hell, this game in the 2nd half seemed liked it was being officiated in College Station.

[ChiTown]

Obviously, you either A: didn't watch the game and just saw the end or B: your purple colored glasses cloud your sense of objectivity.

a. wrong - I watched the whole game

b. I find it funny for any KU fan to whine about officiating at AFH. If the officials blow 100 consecutive games for KU, they still won't have made a dent in the "favors" they have done for you over the years.

[Saulbadguy]

I usually agree. KU blew a big lead, lost their intensity in the last 5 minutes. That being said, there were several HORRIBLE calls by the refs. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
You guys are just pissed off, it happens. When you wake up tomorrow morning you'll realize you are wrong, the refs didn't cost you the game.

[Lzen]

I usually agree. KU blew a big lead, lost their intensity in the last 5 minutes. That being said, there were several HORRIBLE calls by the refs. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

Exactly. I hardly ever call out the officiating in any game. However, when I see completely bad officiating, I'm gonna call it like I see it. I mean, it's like people expect you to just accept the fact the officials decided the outcome of a particular game. Most games, the calls usually balance out for both teams. This game was decided in the 2nd half in favor of AM and anyone who says otherwise is either blind, retarded, or just a KU hating jackass.

[ROYC75]

a. wrong - I watched the whole game

b. I find it funny for any KU fan to whine about officiating at AFH. If the officials blow 100 consecutive games for KU, they still won't have made a dent in the "favors" they have done for you over the years.

This game , just like the 3 previous games we have lost should have never came down to fouls or FT's.

We just didn't close the game out........we got up by 12 and quit playing.

[Lzen]

I agree with the KU fans that say Self was also a big factor. He is a decent coach, but he makes some boneheaded decisions sometimes.

[BWillie]

The Refs didn't cost this game, choking it and pissing it down your leg did. Law took over the game. I agree there should of probably been a intentional foul call on Kaun there, but other than that I don't really see how this was a bad refed game. I really don't. What am I missing? I mean shit, all of their guys got into foul trouble.

[Saulbadguy]

aggies - 14 Free throw attempts
KU - 21

blah blah blah.

[Lzen]

You guys are just pissed off, it happens. When you wake up tomorrow morning you'll realize you are wrong, the refs didn't cost you the game.

Go back to KU's last game thread in which they lost. I think you'll find that most KU fans were objective in the fact that we see that Knight just outcoached Self. That's not the case tonight.

[ROYC75]

The Refs didn't cost this game, choking it and pissing it down your leg did. Law took over the game. I agree there should of probably been a intentional foul call on Kaun there, but other than that I don't really see how this was a bad refed game. I really don't. What am I missing? I mean shit, all of their guys got into foul trouble.

I can find at least 3 - 4 bad calls per any game played in CBB ....... Just like football, I never complain about calls. We blew this game.........

[DJay23]

You guys are just pissed off, it happens. When you wake up tomorrow morning you'll realize you are wrong, the refs didn't cost you the game.
Wrong

[Lzen]

I still haven't seen anyone make a good argument about the key fouls calls or non calls and the BS traveling call on Robinson. And you all know that that dude tackled Kaun twice and wasn't called for the intentional. Sure, Kaun should have hit his FTs. And frankly, Self is a dumbass for leaving a 53% FT shooter in a game that tight. That still doesn't take away from the fact that the refs screwed up those key plays.

[Saulbadguy]

I still haven't seen anyone make a good argument about the key fouls calls or non calls and the BS traveling call on Robinson. And you all know that that dude tackled Kaun twice and wasn't called for the intentional. Sure, Kaun should have hit his FTs. And frankly, Self is a dumbass for leaving a 53% FT shooter in a game that tight. That still doesn't take away from the fact that the refs screwed up those key plays.
17-4 run.

[DJay23]

I still haven't seen anyone make a good argument about the key fouls calls or non calls and the BS traveling call on Robinson. And you all know that that dude tackled Kaun twice and wasn't called for the intentional. Sure, Kaun should have hit his FTs. And frankly, Self is a dumbass for leaving a 53% FT shooter in a game that tight. That still doesn't take away from the fact that the refs screwed up those key plays.
Don't forget Acie Law going LT on the KU guards in teh first half, stiff arming left and right. Then the T on Self after he called the refs out for their ineptitude.

[BWillie]

I still haven't seen anyone make a good argument about the key fouls calls or non calls and the BS traveling call on Robinson. And you all know that that dude tackled Kaun twice and wasn't called for the intentional. Sure, Kaun should have hit his FTs. And frankly, Self is a dumbass for leaving a 53% FT shooter in a game that tight. That still doesn't take away from the fact that the refs screwed up those key plays.

The Robinson call was in the middle of the second half. Good teams should be able to rebound from that. You have a point about leaving Kaun in there, but I don't think many coaches in America would of thought about fouling Kaun off the ball. That is kind of a dick move, but it worked. It was genius thinking, it's the 1-1 he has a 50% chance to make one, if he makes it big deal, if he doesn't you get the ball back.

[Lzen]

17-4 run.

Doesn't matter. KU had runs in this game, too. It's the reason they were up so much. You still didn't address the officiating gaffs that I mentioned. Until you do, your argument is irrelevant.

[KevB]

Exactly. I hardly ever call out the officiating in any game. However, when I see completely bad officiating, I'm gonna call it like I see it. I mean, it's like people expect you to just accept the fact the officials decided the outcome of a particular game. Most games, the calls usually balance out for both teams. This game was decided in the 2nd half in favor of AM and anyone who says otherwise is either blind, retarded, or just a KU hating jackass.

C'mon man, give it up. A&M made the plays down the stretch, KU didn't. Were there a couple of shaky calls (Robinson travel, foul on Kaun)....yeah, probably so. The Kaun foul I think the ref just missed, as it was far away from the ball. On the other hand, it's not as if the call gave A&M points or even the ball. KU still had the ball, and Kaun was later fouled legitimately.

KU is very talented, but IMO their fatal flaw right now is that they still haven't established their roles. Down the stretch of nearly every close game this year, KU has gone to different players. They don't have an Acie Law who is understood to be the go to player. In the interest of disclosure, I'm a KSU fan. However, the only reason I'm responding to a post in this thread is blaming the game on the refs. I watched the whole game, with several A&M players in foul trouble throughout the game. Take the loss like a man.

[DJay23]

The Robinson call was in the middle of the second half. Good teams should be able to rebound from that. You have a point about leaving Kaun in there, but I don't think many coaches in America would of thought about fouling Kaun off the ball. That is kind of a dick move, but it worked. It was genius thinking, it's the 1-1 he has a 50% chance to make one, if he makes it big deal, if he doesn't you get the ball back.
The reason more coaches don't do that is because it's usually (and should be) an intentional foul call. They did it twice and neither time was it called properly.

[Lzen]

I guess what it comes down to is that some coaches are great enough to overcome poor officiating in most any game. Apparently, Self is not a great enough coach to do that. I'm pissed about the poor officiating and the poor coaching in this game. Oh well, I can't control what they do. Sigh.

I blame this loss on Ari Chiefs. Let's get a lynch mob going and find this bastard.

[KevB]

I still haven't seen anyone make a good argument about the key fouls calls or non calls and the BS traveling call on Robinson. And you all know that that dude tackled Kaun twice and wasn't called for the intentional. Sure, Kaun should have hit his FTs. And frankly, Self is a dumbass for leaving a 53% FT shooter in a game that tight. That still doesn't take away from the fact that the refs screwed up those key plays.

Ref didn't see what happened on the first one, and you sure as heck weren't getting an intentional called on the second. Defender was being physical with a player who was about to set a high screen....no chance that's intentional. As for the Robinson travel....you seriously going to imply that one call midway through the game cost you the game. That's high comedy.

[Lzen]

C'mon man, give it up. A&M made the plays down the stretch, KU didn't. Were there a couple of shaky calls (Robinson travel, foul on Kaun)....yeah, probably so. The Kaun foul I think the ref just missed, as it was far away from the ball. On the other hand, it's not as if the call gave A&M points or even the ball. KU still had the ball, and Kaun was later fouled legitimately.

KU is very talented, but IMO their fatal flaw right now is that they still haven't established their roles. Down the stretch of nearly every close game this year, KU has gone to different players. They don't have an Acie Law who is understood to be the go to player. In the interest of disclosure, I'm a KSU fan. However, the only reason I'm responding to a post in this thread is blaming the game on the refs. I watched the whole game, with several A&M players in foul trouble throughout the game. Take the loss like a man.

While I will give you credit for making a compelling argument, I still blame the refs. But you are right about KU not having a go to guy. That really hurts them in close games.

[Silock]

I watched the whole game, with several A&M players in foul trouble throughout the game. Take the loss like a man.

That's irrelevant. A foul is still a foul. Should they not call blatant ones late in the game just because they called some at the beginning? That doesn't make sense.

There's a reason A&M had so many fouls called -- KU was forcing them to foul.

Like I said, KU players blew it, but the refs have to let the players be the ones to decide how the game is going to go. Their officiating put KU in an awkward position, and KU couldn't deal with it.

[KevB]

Don't forget Acie Law going LT on the KU guards in teh first half, stiff arming left and right. Then the T on Self after he called the refs out for their ineptitude.

I won't mention the screens that KU runs way out high that are actually moving screens. The big man comes and runs right up the defender and lays a cross body block while moving, and it's never called. Whatever, it's part of the game. Suck it up, never heard so much crying about officiating.

[DJay23]

C'mon man, give it up. A&M made the plays down the stretch, KU didn't. Were there a couple of shaky calls (Robinson travel, foul on Kaun)....yeah, probably so. The Kaun foul I think the ref just missed, as it was far away from the ball. On the other hand, it's not as if the call gave A&M points or even the ball. KU still had the ball, and Kaun was later fouled legitimately.

If that play is called properly, Kaun gets 2 free throws and the ball on the side. We'd have gotten a chance to run more offense, and who knows maybe Kaun makes the second FT and we score on that possession. It was a huge swing in the game.

I liken the last 5 minutes to Martyball. We went to a prevent defense allowing aTm to move the ball right down low and then we tried to "run out the clock" instead of being aggressive on both ends like we were the other 35 minutes of the game.

[Braincase]

I still haven't seen anyone make a good argument about the key fouls calls or non calls and the BS traveling call on Robinson. And you all know that that dude tackled Kaun twice and wasn't called for the intentional. Sure, Kaun should have hit his FTs. And frankly, Self is a dumbass for leaving a 53% FT shooter in a game that tight. That still doesn't take away from the fact that the refs screwed up those key plays.

With 5 seconds left, I went down to the tunnel to tell the refs how I felt. Absolutely one of the worst called games I have ever seen. Even julian Wright's lay-in lat in the game, Lurch was moving into him the entire way. They missed call after call.

[Lzen]

I won't mention the screens that KU runs way out high that are actually moving screens. The big man comes and runs right up the defender and lays a cross body block while moving, and it's never called. Whatever, it's part of the game. Suck it up, never heard so much crying about officiating.

Both teams were doing that all night. The refs apparently decided they weren't going to call that tonight. Neither team got the advantage from doing that.

[Mr. Laz]

we prolly could of won this game by just running A&M into the ground.

we had the lead and had them in foul trouble at half time.


put collins in and tell him to "Go,Go,Go ..." drive the lane, draw the foul. Tell the other guys to fill the lane and hit the boards.

in 5 minutes you pull Collins and put Robinson is to do that same thing.

we have enough depth to rotate and keep the pressure on.


just another 7 or 8 fouls and A&M would be so deep into their bench that we would of won by default.

[KevB]

That's irrelevant. A foul is still a foul. Should they not call blatant ones late in the game just because they called some at the beginning? That doesn't make sense.

There's a reason A&M had so many fouls called -- KU was forcing them to foul.

Like I said, KU players blew it, but the refs have to let the players be the ones to decide how the game is going to go. Their officiating put KU in an awkward position, and KU couldn't deal with it.

What foul didn't the call down the stretch? The one with Kaun in the backcourt...frankly they just missed it. It was far away from the ball. The called the next one, and Kaun missed the FT. Oh well, play defense and get the ball back.

[Lzen]

It doesn't matter, KU fans. You can't argue facts with opposing fans. They only see what they want to see.

[KcMizzou]

It doesn't matter, KU fans. You can't argue facts with opposing fans. They only see what they want to see.It's beakers vs. the world!

[DJay23]

Ref didn't see what happened on the first one
Ding Ding!!!!!

Poor officiating. Three pairs of eyes should be able to see the whole court especially 2 guys, nearly as big as baby giraffes diving spread eagle in teh MIDDLE OF THE ****ING FLOOR.

[KevB]

With 5 seconds left, I went down to the tunnel to tell the refs how I felt. Absolutely one of the worst called games I have ever seen. Even julian Wright's lay-in lat in the game, Lurch was moving into him the entire way. They missed call after call.

They showed a slo-mo replay on TV, and he didn't touch Wright. Wright was simply gliding past him to get his shot off. The A&M kid was sliding that way, but not quick enough to lay a finger on him. My god, you guys realize that was a 40 minute game, right? I'm sure I can go back and find numerous plays on the A&M side that were "missed" calls.

[Lzen]

It's beakers vs. the world!

Ha ha ha.....
:rolleyes:

Seriously, no matter how many opponents say something like "I really wanted KU to win this game", it's obvious that they aren't exactly unhappy about the loss. And really, I don't care what they think. But trying to make an argument about the horrible officiating is like talking to a wall. So why bother?