810 reporting (Green)...

[Eleazar]

810 reporting that the Chiefs and Dolphins are in talks regarding Green, and that a proposed trade package could also send Kendrell Bell to Miami.

I can't listen anymore though, so someone else will have to update.

Also, Greinke interview coming up.

[Archie Bunker]

Get it done Carl. Getting rid of Bell would be an added bonus.

[DMAC]

I don't care what we get...we will get the better end of that deal.

Unless it is for Vonnie Holliday.

[dirk digler]

That is good news and bad news. I really like Trent and I hate to see him leave like this. But if Bell goes that is awesome!!

[JBucc]

Getting something for Green would be swell, getting rid of Kendrell would be icing on the cake.

[Rooster]

Hell they can have Bell. :)

I think in this case Bell would be considered the 'sweetener' however he is far from sweet.

[Extra Point]

I just hope if we trade Green away, he goes to a place where he's wanted. Can you think of a better place to sell gutter guards, than Miami?

[nychief]

picks picks picks!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I want something in return though.

[eazyb81]

OMG, get rid of Green AND Bell?!? That is almost too good to be true.

Next you're going to tell me Hall is being included in the deal.

[alpha_omega]

Does Miami have anyone we would be interested in? Or are they talking draft picks?

I wonder.....

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Chances are Carl will panic and get screwed in the deal.

[eazyb81]

Does Miami have anyone we would be interested in? Or are they talking draft picks?

I wonder.....

Hopefully just picks - it is time to finally rebuild.

[the Talking Can]

Getting something for Green would be swell, getting rid of Kendrell would be icing on the cake.

AMEN

any picks we got would be sweet...for once we're not giving them away

I'd throw Bell in for free

[Eleazar]

I don't really understand why Miami would do this.

They take a bunch of salary, and in return they get to give us draft picks?

[Direckshun]

HAHAHA

GO CARL GO :D

[Mr. Laz]

countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...

[dirk digler]

I can't imagine them getting anything more than a 3rd or 4th round draft choice for Trent.

[morphius]

countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...
Have you ever seen Huard in preseason? He has looked terrible in every single one of them. I'm expecting a full implosion here during the preseason.

[crazycoffey]

I can't imagine them getting anything more than a 3rd or 4th round draft choice for Trent.

what about a second or third for both green and bell?

[Mr. Laz]

I don't really understand why Miami would do this.

They take a bunch of salary, and in return they get to give us draft picks?
they have been desperate for a QB for awhile now.

[chagrin]

Have you ever seen Huard in preseason? He has looked terrible in every single one of them. I'm expecting a full implosion here during the preseason.


No shit, how do our opponents' D's look thias upcoming season?

[dirk digler]

what about a second or third for both green and bell?

I wouldn't give a 7th round draft choice for Bell. He is worthless IMHO.

[Mr. Laz]

I can't imagine them getting anything more than a 3rd or 4th round draft choice for Trent.
Green has three 4,000 yard season in the last 4 years.

if he's healthy, he's worth more than that.

[Archie Bunker]

2 things

1. I can't remember the last NFL trade that involved more than one player.

2. Is Miami running some 3-4. I can't figure out why they would want Bell.

[eazyb81]

Green has three 4,000 yard season in the last 4 years.

if he's healthy, he's worth more than that.

Did you see him play this past season? It's obvious his best days are behind him.

[Brock]

they have been desperate for a QB for awhile now.

Is Culpepper done or what?

[Mr. Laz]

Is Culpepper done or what?
he looked really crappy last year

[eazyb81]

Is Culpepper done or what?

No, but some are saying he's not a good fit for what Cameron and Shea want to do.

[crazycoffey]

I wouldn't give a 7th round draft choice for Bell. He is worthless IMHO.


OK, but I was saying for both together and one pick from Miami.



I still think this is part of a plan to get Green to restructure and then send Huard off to Miami.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I think Green would help Culpepper out with learning the offense. I actually don't think Green will start there.

[Frosty]

Dolphins are supposedly shopping Kevin Carter and Harrington, so maybe they are involved somehow. I would rather have picks.

[Brock]

I still think this is part of a plan to get Green to restructure and then send Huard off to Miami.

LMAO

[Mr. Laz]

Did you see him play this past season? It's obvious his best days are behind him.
you can tell that after only 8 games ........ and after a serious concussion?



is he done? maybe


have we seen enough to know either way? Hell no

[ROYC75]

countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...


ROFL But damn, it's the truth.

[the Talking Can]

countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...

personally, I hoping for it...I want a top 5 pick next year

[dirk digler]

Green has three 4,000 yard season in the last 4 years.

if he's healthy, he's worth more than that.

I can't see it Laz. The Vikes traded Culpepper last year for a 2nd round pick and he is alot younger than Trent.

[eazyb81]

you can tell that after only 8 games ........ and after a serious concussion?

Yes. Believe it or not, QBs and pro athletes in general lose their effectiveness after 35 years of age. The dude is old and it's amazing he has played as well as he has up to this point.

I think a lot of people are thinking with their heart instead of their head on the Green situation.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I hope we start Croyle this year, and keep Huard as the backup.

[nychief]

I would be happy with a 4th rnd pick. I would very happy for a 3rd.

[dirk digler]

OK, but I was saying for both together and one pick from Miami.



I still think this is part of a plan to get Green to restructure and then send Huard off to Miami.

I am still sticking to a 3rd or 4th round pick for both.

Honestly I think Trent is done here and that is too bad IMO.

[Skip Towne]

Does Miami have anyone we would be interested in?
Jason Taylor?

[Mr. Laz]

Yes. Believe it or not, QBs and pro athletes in general lose their effectivenss after 35 years of age. The dude is old and it's amazing he has played as well as he has up to this point.

I think a lot of people are thinking with their heart instead of their head on the Green situation.


that's still speculation

athletes normally lose it after 35 ..... but we don't know.


could he be done ... yes, might be.


But we don't know.

[nychief]

we are rebuilding - if we are going to suck - lets suck with a young core.

[Mr. Laz]

I hope we start Croyle this year, and keep Huard as the backup.
then we wasted time not starting Croyle this year

[crazycoffey]

I am still sticking to a 3rd or 4th round pick for both.

Honestly I think Trent is done here and that is too bad IMO.


we're not too far off, lets compromise and both say we want a 3rd for both.

:p



oh and I agree, it's too bad for green leaving or being done. Liked him alot

[eazyb81]

that's still speculation

athletes normally lose it after 35 ..... but we don't know.


could he be done ... yes, might be.


But we don't know.

Of course we don't know with 100% certainty, but all the signs point to Green being past his prime. Do you really want to keep him at this point, or do you want to take the better bet and get whatever we can for him before it's too late?

Add in the fact that we should be rebuilding, and IMO it's a no-brainer to deal him.

[Mr. Laz]

i'll be disappointed if it's not a 2nd rounder or better.

[Brock]

You're going to be disappointed.

[crazycoffey]

then we wasted time not starting Croyle this year



not so, IMO. It wasn't "wasted" time, he got to learn the offense, and see the speed of the game from the side, where he could think about what was going on (instead of just reacting on the field - like he did for the end of the steeler game, I think it was the steeler game)

he needs to step up now, so we can see what we got, while we still have huard (or green)

[Eleazar]

Jason Taylor?

Oh man, how great would that be.

We turn Green and Bell into Jason Taylor, then we can turn Jared Allen into something else.

[the Talking Can]

i'll be disappointed him it's not a 2nd rounder or better.

no way in hell someone would trade a 2nd for a 37 yr old QB coming off a major head trauma....not a chance

I'd faint if we got a third and be very happy if we get a 4th....

[dirk digler]

we're not too far off, lets compromise and both say we want a 3rd for both.

:p



oh and I agree, it's too bad for green leaving or being done. Liked him alot

I agree. Let's hope for a 3rd and if we get more than that we should consider ourselves lucky.

[Mr. Laz]

Of course we don't know with 100% certainty, but all the signs point to Green being past his prime. Do you really want to keep him at this point, or do you want to take the better bet and get whatever we can for him before it's too late?

Add in the fact that we should be rebuilding, and IMO it's a no-brainer to deal him.
i ok with a trade since it herm seems to like Huard better.

bet lets not just flush the lost of Green as meaningless because i think it's gonna bite us in the butt as some point.

[Stinger]

i'll be disappointed him it's not a 2nd rounder or better.

Prepare to be disappointed I don't see any way for a 2nd. I think a 3rd is a strech, and this is from a Green supporter.

[Archie Bunker]

You're going to be disappointed.
Yep. Anything higher than 5th would be shocking.

[dirk digler]

no way in hell someone would trade a 2nd for a 37 yr old QB coming off a major head trauma....not a chance

I'd faint if we got a third and be very happy if we get a 4th....

Yep

[Eleazar]

A 37 year old QB and a broken down LB who has never recovered from an injury several seasons ago. And a salary dump at that.

We would be making a deal with the devil to get a 3rd.

[htismaqe]

We'll be lucky to get a 1st-day pick out of Green.

That being said, I'd be happy dumping just his salary.

If you told me we could dump his AND Bell's, AND get some draft picks, I'd puke with joy.

[crazycoffey]

I agree. Let's hope for a 3rd and if we get more than that we should consider ourselves lucky.


they pick ninth, so if we were to get a second we would probably have to change 2nd round picks with them. So a third it is, what to hope for.

[ChiTown]

I agree with Htis, a first day pick is unimaginable.

I'd settle for them taking on their salaries and a 2nd day pick. I'd be elated.

[htismaqe]

they pick ninth, so if we were to get a second we would probably have to change 2nd round picks with them. So a third it is, what to hope for.

Send them Green, Bell, and our 3rd-round pick for a 2nd and a 5th.

[Mr. Laz]

I agree with Htis, a first day pick is unimaginable.

I'd settle for them taking on their salaries and a 2nd day pick. I'd be elated.
spoken like a true Kansas city Chiefs fan who has been beaten down so badly that they no longer expect anything good to happen to them.

[Pitt Gorilla]

A trade would accelerate both Bell's and Green's bonuses to this year, or something.

[Tribal Warfare]

I can't wait for another 8-8 season :banghead:

[Mr. Laz]

A trade would accelerate both Bell's and Green's bonuses to this year, or something.
not anymore

the latest CBA changed that

[htismaqe]

spoken like a true Kansas city Chiefs fan who has been beaten down so badly that they no longer expect anything good to happen to them.

How did I go from the board's biggest Carl-pologist to a "beaten down" KC fan in the span of a couple of weeks?

I didn't. I have been and still am a REALIST.

[ChiTown]

spoken like a true Kansas city Chiefs fan who has been beaten down so badly that they no longer expect anything good to happen to them.

Not really, Laz. I'm just realistic about what Miami is REALLY getting with Green and Bell. 2 ineffective players (one that is 37 yrs old) with heavy salary issues. Taking them off our hands is a cap blessing. Getting something in return is like the icing on the cake. jmho

[htismaqe]

I can't wait for another 8-8 season :banghead:

How were Trent Green and Kendrell Bell going to get us beyond 8-8? Furthermore, getting rid of them now helps 2 and 3 years from now.

[Eleazar]

not anymore

the latest CBA changed that

Shh! That info costs $89.95.

[ChiTown]

Shh! That info costs $89.95.

:LOL:

[Pitt Gorilla]

not anymore

the latest CBA changed thatThanks. I did not know that.

[crazycoffey]

Oh man, how great would that be.

We turn Green and Bell into Jason Taylor, then we can turn Jared Allen into something else.


now that is using your noodle, that would be great.

:p

[Mr. Laz]

Shh! That info costs $89.95.
sorry, my bad



"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

[Chiefnj]

All I can think of is Gun saying Bell is a very good player and if anyone thinks differently they should go to his office and say it to his face. I wonder if Carl bothered to tell Gun, or if Gun will have to read it on the internet, again.

I also predict that the Chiefs trade Allen for a 2nd and 4th rounder.

[Tribal Warfare]

How were Trent Green and Kendrell Bell going to get us beyond 8-8? Furthermore, getting rid of them now helps 2 and 3 years from now.


And Huard is going to lead us towards the playoffs? This really really sucks

[KurtCobain]

Just imagine if Green wouldn't of gotten hurt. He'd be sitting on a fourth straight 4k yard season, we more than likely would've gone further into the playoffs, and we'd all be talking about how happy we are he's not retiring. And how happy we are Huard's gone and Croyle's number 2.

[htismaqe]

Shh! That info costs $89.95.

www.lazpaintillustrated.com

[Archie Bunker]

I also predict that the Chiefs trade Allen for a 2nd and 4th rounder.

Wouldn't surprise me. Seems like the Chiefs are gutting the team and want/need picks.

I believe NFL Network reported Atlanta is interested. I don't have NFL Network to my info is second hand.

[htismaqe]

And Huard is going to lead us towards the playoffs? This really really sucks

I never said Huard was going to. But neither was Green.

It's time to build for the future.

[crazycoffey]

brodie, brodie

[dirk digler]

It's time to build for the future.

Is Carl ready to do that? He never has before he has always signed veteran guys to plug holes.

[siberian khatru]

How were Trent Green and Kendrell Bell going to get us beyond 8-8? Furthermore, getting rid of them now helps 2 and 3 years from now.

Bingo. 2007 should be all about clearing the decks of aging vets and worthless crap and high salaries and replacing them with cheaper, younger players. We'll take the cap hit this year and be in better shape roster- and cap-wise in 2008 and beyond.

[nychief]

We should stockpile picks.

[siberian khatru]

We should stockpile picks.

Amen.

[StcChief]

Bingo. 2007 should be all about clearing the decks of aging vets and worthless crap and high salaries and replacing them with cheaper, younger players. We'll take the cap hit this year and be in better shape roster- and cap-wise in 2008 and beyond.

Bit the bullet put in some new players. accept a likely hood of a 5-11/6-10 season.
as long as we are 2-0 against Faiders, 1-1 vs. Donxs

[Sully]

Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.

[ChiefFripp]

I don't really understand why Miami would do this.

They take a bunch of salary, and in return they get to give us draft picks?
Maybe they understand that behind even an average o-line, Trent is awesome. if our o-line was even just slightly below average instead of a freeway to the QB, we wouldn't even be considering trading Green. Hopefully we can get rid of useless ass Casey Wiegmann as well.

[Archie Bunker]

Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.

:cuss:

[htismaqe]

Is Carl ready to do that? He never has before he has always signed veteran guys to plug holes.

I think Carl has always given his head coach alot of control. I think Marty and Vermeil were both guys that put alot of value on veteran players, to the point of not even considering younger guys. I don't think Herm Edwards, for better or worse, is that kind of coach.

[FringeNC]

I still don't get how Green can be traded. All he has to do is refuse to restructure, and he'll be cut, and can go to any team he wants.

[Mr. Laz]

Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.
petro talking about it right now...

saying that he called down to Miami and a guy he knows says that there IS something to it.

that Miami is interested in Green.

[Chiefnj]

I don't have a problem with a new coach getting rid of the old coaches players, it still seems odd however that the OC and DC are leftovers.

[NewChief]

I still don't get how Green can be traded. All he has to do is refuse to restructure, and he'll be cut, and can go to any team he wants.

But they might not cut him until the second cut date which would put him in a bad situation.

[crazycoffey]

Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.



you mean we were wasting our time talking about chiefs baloney


that's a first......

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I'm ready for a couple 4-12 seasons.

LET THE CROYLE ERA BEGIN!!

[Mr. Laz]

I think Carl has always given his head coach alot of control. I think Marty and Vermeil were both guys that put alot of value on veteran players, to the point of not even considering younger guys. I don't think Herm Edwards, for better or worse, is that kind of coach.
apparently


imo Peterson does that so he doesn't have to take responsibility for all the mistakes.

[bringbackmarty]

i Think a swap up for a third is possible, probably not a second. Probably be Bell, Green and our third for their
third and fifth.

[KurtCobain]

I'm ready for a couple 4-12 seasons.

LET THE CROYLE ERA BEGIN!!

I agree with you now...but when it happens I'll cry.

[NewChief]

I always wonder how much the rumors of interest are just assumptions based on connections between players and coaches and how much they're a result of actual people involved saying something to someone.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

they making shit up again at 810?

[Eleazar]

petro talking about it right now...

saying that he called down to Miami and a guy he knows says that there IS something to it.

that Miami is interested in Green.

Petro was the one who said it. I had to get out of the car though, so I didn't hear much after. I did not think it was a joke at all.

[Frankie]

countdown until Huard has a shitty game and people are longing for Green.


10 ... 9 ... 8 ...
ROFL So true! :clap:

[Frankie]

Dolphins are supposedly shopping Kevin Carter and Harrington, so maybe they are involved somehow. I would rather have picks.
The Chiefs were very high on Harrington when he was drafted. So i bet he is part of the deal.

[Frankie]

I hope we start Croyle this year, and keep Huard as the backup.
If he shows up to camp with 15 lbs of additional muscle, I'll also be on that bandwagon.

[Frankie]

Jason Taylor?
I ALWAYS wanted him for the Chiefs. But isn't he also getting a bit long on the tooth?

[58-4ever]

The Chiefs were very high on Harrington when he was drafted. So i bet he is part of the deal.

They cut Harrington...didn't they?

[Frankie]

Prepare to be disappointed I don't see any way for a 2nd. I think a 3rd is a strech, and this is from a Green supporter.
This Green supporter agrees with you.

[Brock]

They cut Harrington...didn't they?

yes

[sedated]

get back the 2nd we wasted on Surtain and call it even

[Frankie]

All I can think of is Gun saying Bell is a very good player and if anyone thinks differently they should go to his office and say it to his face. I wonder if Carl bothered to tell Gun, or if Gun will have to read it on the internet, again.

I also predict that the Chiefs trade Allen for a 2nd and 4th rounder.
Allen ain't going anywhere. Carl has all the aces on him.

[KC Kings]

I hope we start Croyle this year, and keep Huard as the backup.
I could maybe understand Croyle over Green, but Croyle over Huard? He had a chance to show he was ready in the Pittsburg game, and ended up 3 for 7 with an 11.9 QB rating and a sack for a 10 yard loss.

[Frosty]

They cut Harrington...didn't they?

I don't think they have yet, but plan to.

[Frankie]

get back the 2nd we wasted on Surtain and call it even
:thumb:

[suds79]

I could maybe understand Croyle over Green, but Croyle over Huard? He had a chance to show he was ready in the Pittsburg game, and ended up 3 for 7 with an 11.9 QB rating and a sack for a 10 yard loss.

Lets keep in mind that Croyle was a rookie last year. I can't remember too many rookie QBs that do not look like garbage.

2nd year is when you definitely expect some progress.

If we're rebuilding, I'd rather find out sooner rather than later if we need to add QB to the needs list.

[crazycoffey]

Lets keep in mind that Croyle was a rookie last year. I can't remember too many rookie QBs that do not look like garbage.

2nd year is when you definitely expect some progress.

If we're rebuilding, I'd rather find out sooner rather than later if we need to add QB to the needs list.


exactly, or rather to find out if that is a future need we can scratch off or keep on our list of needs.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Lets keep in mind that Croyle was a rookie last year. I can't remember too many rookie QBs that do not look like garbage.

2nd year is when you definitely expect some progress.

If we're rebuilding, I'd rather find out sooner rather than later if we need to add QB to the needs list.

IF Croyle is successful, it won't be until his second full year as a starter. He'll suck this year, but it'll be worth it because he will have learned (hopefully, I don't think so though) and we will get a high draft pick that Carl might not screw up.

[ILChief]

get back the 2nd we wasted on Surtain and call it even

while not an all-pro, i wouldn't consider it "wasted". Do you remember the Bartee/McCleon show?

[Direckshun]

Guys, I've been listening to 810, and what you heard was very much a joke. There was no seriousness to this.
That's pretty ****ing hilarious.

[HemiEd]

apparently


imo Peterson does that so he doesn't have to take responsibility for all the mistakes.


He wouldn't dare do it for the good of the team. He wouldn't dare do it to enable his HC to succeed.

gezzus Laz! :rolleyes:

[Tribal Warfare]

I never said Huard was going to. But neither was Green.

It's time to build for the future.


building for the future is what we were waiting for 18+ F*CKIN years

[GoHuge]

That's pretty ****ing hilarious.Yeah they acted like it was breaking news with a funny ha ha. It looks like everybody kinda missed the ha ha part.

[Mr. Laz]

He wouldn't dare do it for the good of the team. He wouldn't dare do it to enable his HC to succeed.

gezzus Laz! :rolleyes:
oh ya... all these drafts lately are sooooooooo for the good of the team.

They helped the HC succeed so much that we haven't won a playoff game in 14 years.



gezzus Ed! :rolleyes:

[Sully]

petro talking about it right now...

saying that he called down to Miami and a guy he knows says that there IS something to it.

that Miami is interested in Green.

As afar as teh Bell thing, that whoel conversation was a joke. Obviously there is something to the Miami stuff, but at that point and time it was just in jest.

[keg in kc]

apparently


imo Peterson does that so he doesn't have to take responsibility for all the mistakes.Who's he responsible to, laz, that you're referring to? Because I'm not sure how this "responsiblity" is pertinent to his actions. He doesn't really seem to answer to anyone...

And he has gone against his coaches, most notably with Larry Johnson. The end result of that was a good pick that sat on the bench for a couple of years because the coach didn't want him.

In the end, I'd say it's logical to let your scouting staff and your coaching staff have the mainsay in who the Chiefs pick up. That's what they're hired to do. That's not any kind of excuse for Carl. He's ultimately the one tasked to hire said staff, so in the end, whether he chooses the players we target or the staff chooses, he's ultimately the one...responsible, to borrow your word.

Problem is, when he does poorly, as he did from '94 to 2004, he still gets contract extensions. So the problem in the end isn't Carl; the problem is the folks who keep extending his tenure.

They, of course, don't answer to anyone either.

[HemiEd]

oh ya... all these drafts lately are sooooooooo for the good of the team.

They helped the HC succeed so much that we haven't won a playoff game in 14 years.



gezzus Ed! :rolleyes:


So that is it, a plot!?!? Damn, it has been a plot all along, Carl has intentionally ****ed up the team!?!? Carl knew that Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii were slugs, it was just a plot.

[Thig Lyfe]

Wow, getting rid of Bell would be great.

[boogblaster]

With a heavy heart for Green Id say yes, we need a change..Bell needs a short-punt to the sidewalk..As far as trading goes Miami has nothing to offer, they won't trade Taylor ....

[Ultra Peanut]

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[Hammock Parties]

Man Herm is AWESOME.

[Mr. Laz]

So that is it, a plot!?!? Damn, it has been a plot all along, Carl has intentionally ****ed up the team!?!? Carl knew that Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii were slugs, it was just a plot.
wtf are you talking about ... who said anything about a plot?

i just said that i thought Carl Peterson likes to keep a buffer between him and the Personal decisions so WHEN/IF stuff goes wrong he doesn't take the blame ... or at least all the blame.

he's covering his ass

Peterson is the personal guy ... with all the scouts. Instead of letting the drafting etc go up and down with each coaching change he needs to step up and do it himself with the people hired to do it.

he should ask the coaches what type of player they want ... what positions they needs etc. Then let the scouts and player evaluation guys take over.

these comments that "don't blame Carl for drafting Player A or signing player B in free agent ... he's just giving the Coach what they want" is complete crap.

Carl is responsible for the talent level of the team. That means if a Coach is a poor talent evaluator, has less influence with personal decisions, then so be it.

example: Drafting Trazelle Jenkins is Carl's fault ..... he either drafted Jenkins or he let somebody draft him.

Either way it's Carl Peterson responsibility.

[mdstu]

2 things

1. I can't remember the last NFL trade that involved more than one player.

2. Is Miami running some 3-4. I can't figure out why they would want Bell.

March 1, 2007 2:29 PM ET
Broncos: Bell swapped for Bly
The News
The Broncos are reportedly sending running back Tatum Bell and tackle George Foster to the Lions in exchange for cornerback Dre' Bly, according to ESPN News.
Our View
Bell's name has been mentioned in several trade rumors, and the Broncos have a need at cornerback since the tragic death of Darrent Williams. Bell's acquisition likely means the Lions aren't counting on much from Kevin Jones this year—if ever—and gives Tatum a shot at the lion's share (pun intended) of the workload, something Mike Shanahan seemed reluctant to do. The deal also leaves Mike Bell atop the Broncos' depth chart, though Denver could certainly address that situation in the upcoming draft or via free agency. Or after the draft, which is when they picked up rookie free agent Bell last year.

[Chief Roundup]

I can't see it Laz. The Vikes traded Culpepper last year for a 2nd round pick and he is alot younger than Trent.
Culpepper also had knee surgery where IIRC all three ligaments had been blown up as well as looking horrible for 2 season prior to the injury and the Dolphins still gave a 2cd rd pick for Culpepper

If there was a player I would consider Chambers, Welker comes to mind.

[greg63]

Good bye Trent.

[HemiEd]

these comments that "don't blame Carl for drafting Player A or signing player B in free agent ... he's just giving the Coach what they want" is complete crap.

Carl is responsible for the talent level of the team. That means if a Coach is a poor talent evaluator, has less influence with personal decisions, then so be it.

example: Drafting Trazelle Jenkins is Carl's fault ..... he either drafted Jenkins or he let somebody draft him.

Either way it's Carl Peterson responsibility.

I would agree with you on this Laz. Your previous posts made it sound like Carl was sacrificing the good of the team for his own gain to me.
I am convinced the man has tried everything he can possibly think of to get a SB.

[Mr. Laz]

I would agree with you on this Laz. Your previous posts made it sound like Carl was sacrificing the good of the team for his own gain to me.
I am convinced the man has tried everything he can possibly think of to get a SB.
i wasn't saying Carl was failing on purpose .....

i was just saying that he covers his ass by letting the coach drive the talent acquisition instead of doing it himself as general manager.