Woman sues docs for childrearing costs following botched abortion

[Joie]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_re_us/abortion_lawsuit_1





Thoughts?

[Direckshun]

I say we take this unique opportunity to debate abortion.

[Redrum_69]

When all else fails...use coat hangers


or antifreeze


Or maybe this would be a good opportunity for Jake Plummer to lend a helping hand

[kstater]

So many jokes to make, starting with the name.

[Mile High Mania]

I wonder how much time she spends in legal discussions compared to raising her daughter.

[Redrum_69]

I say we take this unique opportunity to debate abortion.



Abortion is wrong...think about all the third world countries who are starving


plus littering is against the law

[Redrum_69]

I say we take this unique opportunity to debate abortion.



We should start with your mom

[crazycoffey]

Abortion = woman's choice.

but wouldn't it be nice if they just used BC in the first place, or if you're a slut and don't want kids, GET YOUR TUBES TIED!!!!!

[Joie]

My thoughts are with her child. To find out you were an accident is hard enough. At least most of us accidents know our parents love us, and consider us happy surprises. This poor kid's two years old and her mom's still pissed the abortion failed.

[keg in kc]

Well, they obviously didn't render the service. She should win, as far as I'm concerned. But I'm no lawyer.

I pity the child, assuming she ever finds out. Hell, it's somewhat traumatic to learn you were unwanted in the "accidental but born" sense, in my experience, but to be aborted...

[crazycoffey]

My thoughts are with her child. To find out you were an accident is hard enough. At least most of us accidents know our parents love us, and consider us happy surprises. This poor kid's two years old and her mom's still pissed the abortion failed.



You can't pick your parents, acceptance on both parties is what I would call for.

[keg in kc]

but wouldn't it be nice if they just used BC in the first place, or if you're a slut and don't want kids, GET YOUR TUBES TIED!!!!!At the risk of injecting a bit of reality here, birth control is not 100% effective.

And did you just say that every woman who has sex but doesn't want kids is a "slut"?

[Mile High Mania]

Yeah, I'm sure the kid will need counseling. Sadly.

[Mile High Mania]

At the risk of injecting a bit of reality here, birth control is not 100% effective.

And did you just say that every woman who has sex but doesn't want kids is a "slut"?

Here we go.

[crazycoffey]

At the risk of injecting a bit of reality here, birth control is not 100% effective.

And did you just say that every woman who has sex but doesn't want kids is a "slut"?



reality here in cyberspace and on this board, that is the true oxymoron.



Maybe I am calling her a slut, because now she has a f*ck trophey....







:p

[keg in kc]

Here we go.I'm only here for 5 minutes, so it won't be going anywhere with me.

I just thought I'd ask for clarity's sake. Maybe what was said wasn't what was intended...

[Joie]

You can't pick your parents, acceptance on both parties is what I would call for.
The father was never mentioned. Makes me wonder if he even knows he has a kid.

[keg in kc]

reality here in cyberspace and on this board, that is the true oxymoron.Actually, the reality of the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of birth control can be very clearly proven on this board. As I recall, we have at least one member who has, or will soon have, a child, after he was vasectomized, and his wife's tubes were tied.

I know a couple of people in real life who've had pregnancies while on the pill, one of them on the pill with the man using a condom.

Luck is a fickle mistress.

[stevieray]

wow. she'll win...

you not kill right. you pay now.

[The Franchise]

They should make her a settlement. If she accepts the money then she should be forced to give up the kid for adoption....never to contact it again. This woman is an idiot.

[Mile High Mania]

In theory... all of this could have been avoided and the kid could have a better life if she would have just offered the kid up for adoption prior to all of this BS.

[Mile High Mania]

They should make her a settlement. If she accepts the money then she should be forced to give up the kid for adoption....never to contact it again. This woman is an idiot.

I had a similar thought.

[Joie]

In theory... all of this could have been avoided and the kid could have a better life if she would have just offered the kid up for adoption prior to all of this BS.
Would have settled her problems too. She said she didn't want a child for financial reasons.

[Direckshun]

We should start with your mom
Too late, bitch. I'm out.

They tried to get me but I juked the coat hanger and hit the hole hard, just like Priest Holmes.

[keg in kc]

Throw out the question of the morality of abortion for the moment, and consider it from a legal standpoint. (Because at this point, abortion is legal, nothing to argue about in that sense...)

Simply put, a medical procedure was not done properly. Should the doctor be held accountable for that failure or not?

I don't get the reasoning for suing the second doctor, the one who gave her a physical or whatever. She may have simply told him that she couldn't be pregnant, and he didn't look for it. But the original abortion was obviously not done properly. Should someone answer for that or not?

[Psyko Tek]

Had a very similar case in Phoenix a few years ago
the doctors won

[crazycoffey]

Actually, the reality of the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of birth control can be very clearly proven on this board. As I recall, we have at least one member who has, or will soon have, a child, after he was vasectomized, and his wife's tubes were tied.

I know a couple of people in real life who've had pregnancies while on the pill, one of them on the pill with the man using a condom.

Luck is a fickle mistress.


I think I know her, first name bad? I wonder how she's doing. The last time I saw her, well - I should keep my comments "PG" rated, but it was a good night.


I'm sure our story wouldn't fit here, I had my vasectomy already.
















(actually had it reversed too, if you remember me talking about being worried that I had to whack it in a cup a few weeks ago, I still don't have swimmers, so yup, luck is a bitch. Now we are exploring options for In Vitro, so we wasted 10K already and now we get to spend another 20, for a brat that will just grow up to resent us because I didn't buy the upgraded Playstation 15, and this one who didn't want a kid, had one - dammit carl)

[Steve Sewell]

Wow she must be one "great big fat person" (in my best Wild Bill impression) if she didn't know she was pregnant herself!

[Steve Sewell]

You can't pick your parents, acceptance on both parties is what I would call for.

The more I think about this, the more it appears to be a fraudulent money grab. There is such a thing as an alternative to raising your child...it's called adoption.

[Jenson71]

Wow she must be one "great big fat person" (in my best Wild Bill impression) if she didn't know she was pregnant herself!

She looks pretty good in the picture there.

[Jenson71]

She looks pretty good in the picture there.

Oh, nevermind, that's an advertisement.

[keg in kc]

(actually had it reversed too, if you remember me talking about being worried that I had to whack it in a cup a few weeks ago, I still don't have swimmers, so yup, luck is a bitch. Now we are exploring options for In Vitro, so we wasted 10K already and now we get to spend another 20, for a brat that will just grow up to resent us because I didn't buy the upgraded Playstation 15, and this one who didn't want a kid, had one - dammit carl)I hadn't heard that story. Sorry to hear that, hopefully the In Vitro will be a viable solution.

My girlfriend already has 3 kids (all with the same guy, she was married for 10 years), so let's just say we're not taking many chances, her being Fertile Myrtle and all. It's still a little scary though, because nothing is 100%. I don't think we'd have an abortion at this point, but we would certainly discuss it. Because, well, both of us think 3 is enough. But I've never had a kid. I'd hate to want one in 5 or 6 years and find something medically wrong, induced by the procedure.

Although I think one or both of us has a problem with the plumbing as it is, the amount of sex we've had and her history.

But I digress. *cough*

[keg in kc]

Wow she must be one "great big fat person" (in my best Wild Bill impression) if she didn't know she was pregnant herself!As I recall, there've been a few cases of teens popping out kids who didn't know without them being the least bit plump. Whether that can happen with a 35-year old, I have no idea. That's not to say she doesn't look like the lovechild of Whitlock and Rhondzilla, because she may well.

[Steve Sewell]

She looks pretty good in the picture there.

I don't see a picture in the linked article for some reason.

[Steve Sewell]

Oh, nevermind, that's an advertisement.

Ah, you must get all the singles/dating ads from doubleclick...too many porn cookies on your puter.

[Joie]

As I recall, there've been a few cases of teens popping out kids who didn't know without them being the least bit plump. Whether that can happen with a 35-year old, I have no idea. That's not to say she doesn't look like the lovechild of Whitlock and Rhondzilla, because she may well.
Not all women stop having their period (plus she was edging close to menopause age), and if she didn't gain much weight she may not have known. She had thought she'd gotten an abortion after all. Doesn't change the fact that adoption was still an option if she didn't want to raise a child.

[Mile High Mania]

I just think it's funny listening to a bunch of dudes discuss abortion rights.

[Steve Sewell]

Throw out the question of the morality of abortion for the moment, and consider it from a legal standpoint. (Because at this point, abortion is legal, nothing to argue about in that sense...)

Simply put, a medical procedure was not done properly. Should the doctor be held accountable for that failure or not?

I don't get the reasoning for suing the second doctor, the one who gave her a physical or whatever. She may have simply told him that she couldn't be pregnant, and he didn't look for it. But the original abortion was obviously not done properly. Should someone answer for that or not?

They can't have it both ways on the abortion front. If they want to claim that the fetus was not a legal human being until birth, what right does the fetus have if it somehow lives to make it outside the womb? If anything she can sue for the cost of the abortion, but they can't be liable for the expenses involved with raising the child.

[Jenson71]

I just think it's funny listening to a bunch of dudes discuss abortion rights.

Why? Should only females discuss it?

[Steve Sewell]

As I recall, there've been a few cases of teens popping out kids who didn't know without them being the least bit plump. Whether that can happen with a 35-year old, I have no idea. That's not to say she doesn't look like the lovechild of Whitlock and Rhondzilla, because she may well.

My wife has been pregnant twice and I just don't see any way how you couldn't know that you are pregnant. Around the 3rd trimester, things got very uncomfortable for her. And how do you explain the baby moving around in the uterus? Obviously I've never experienced it but I just don't understand how someone wouldn't notice some obvious physiological effects of being pregnant.

[Joie]

Why? Should only females discuss it?
I could be wrong, but I always thought it took two to get knocked up.

[keg in kc]

They can't have it both ways on the abortion front. If they want to claim that the fetus was not a legal human being until birth, what right does the fetus have if it somehow lives to make it outside the womb? If anything she can sue for the cost of the abortion, but they can't be liable for the expenses involved with raising the child.That's not an answer to the question that I asked. The morality of abortion is not the issue. Whether she should've sought adoption is not the issue. None of that is pertinent. This is simply a legal question. Abortion is a legal procedure, and the procedue was bothched. Should the doctor and/or clinic responsible for that failed procedure answer or not?

[Phobia]

Give the kid a chance, abort the "mother".

[Iowanian]

I suggest she just give her mother a really late term abortion and jump off of a tall building.

How about the kid who knows him/herself to be "the baby mommy tried to kill but was too dumb to die"...so mommy wanted money.

Here's a thought...give the kid to an adopting family who would actually want to love it.

[StcChief]

what releases did she sign?

[Joie]

I suggest she just give her mother a really late term abortion and jump off of a tall building.

How about the kid who knows him/herself to be "the baby mommy tried to kill but was too dumb to die"...so mommy wanted money.

Here's a thought...give the kid to an adopting family who would actually want to love it.
I hope she grows up to be very successful and gives her mother NOTHING.

[crazycoffey]

I could be wrong, but I always thought it took two to get knocked up.



1) I think the female's responsibility is a little greater, for obvious physical anatomy reasons.


2) you have all the power in the sexual relationship, so you should have more responsibility also.



You know the old adage, a guy looks in the mirror while getting ready to go out and says "I hope I get laid tonight" / the girl getting ready says, "I am going to get laid tonight"

[Joie]

1) I think the female's responsibility is a little greater, for obvious physical anatomy reasons.


2) you have all the power in the sexual relationship, so you should have more responsibility also.



You know the old adage, a guy looks in the mirror while getting ready to go out and says "I hope I get laid tonight" / the girl getting ready says, "I am going to get laid tonight"
I don't really feel like I have all the power. We won't have a baby until Aces is ready too. Yes, I have more responsibility right now as I'm the one on the Pill, but I'd like to think that's shared once we do decide to concieve.

[el borracho]

Bailiff: "All rise, the (mostly) honorable judge borracho presiding."
Judge borracho: "You may be seated. Let the record show that the dumbass, er, the plaintiff is entitled to a refund for services not rendered to her satisfaction at the abortion clinic in the amount of $500. Further the uncaring whore, er, plaintiff is entitled to about $20,000 for punitive damages but no effing way do the medical entities or their personnel owe the entire cost of rearing this child. Let the hooker, er, plaintiff seek additional funds from the child's father or relinquish custody of the child to the court. This court is adjourned." [Bang gavel]
Bailiff: "Next!"

[Joie]

Bailiff: "All rise, the (mostly) honorable judge borracho presiding."
Judge borracho: "You may be seated. Let the record show that the dumbass, er, the plaintiff is entitled to a refund for services not rendered to her satisfaction at the abortion clinic in the amount of $500. Further the uncaring whore, er, plaintiff is entitled to about $20,000 for punitive damages but no effing way do the medical entities or their personnel owe the entire cost of rearing this child. Let the hooker, er, plaintiff seek additional funds from the child's father or relinquish custody of the child to the court. This court is adjourned." [Bang gavel]
Bailiff: "Next!"
ROFL

[acesn8s]

Perhaps she should be sueing the father for not pulling out.