We really are blowing up the roster!

[Coogs]

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Got to give it up for Herm and CP! A fresh new approach is something I have hoped for for a couple of years now. I didn't think the front office had the nads to do something like this... and it appears we are not done blowing it up yet... and I am 100% behind this approach. Even if we do not have a fantastic year in the won/loss column, you will not see Coogs doing any bashing of the Chiefs this next football season. Once again....


:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Bowser]

It's nice to see turnover on a team that was pretty much average last year. And also good to see that vested vets aren't necessarily safe from these moves.

[Stinger]

Damnit Carl !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cuss:

oh wait a minute .....

[BIG_DADDY]

Tell me when Herm is gone.

[Archie Bunker]

Pretty much my favorite offseason in a long time. I've liked every move so far and if the draft goes well you have to like the direction this team is headed.

[BigMeatballDave]

Tell me when Herm is gone.I am willing to give him a couple more seasons. I love the fact that he is trying to get younger.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Tell me when Herm is gone.I'd bet that Herm has a lot to do with the current moves.

[JimNasium]

It was time to get younger. I've got faith in Herm as a talent evaluator but I'm still not sold on his coaching ability. I'm willing to wait two years but then I'll get restless if we are still a 9-7/10-6 team.

[chagrin]

did we sign ty law yet?

[Coogs]

Pretty much my favorite offseason in a long time. I've liked every move so far and if the draft goes well you have to like the direction this team is headed.

Yep! Even if we have to take a step back in the win/loss column for a bit, this is refreshing.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'd bet that Herm has a lot to do with the current moves.

Exactly.

If Herm wasn't here, these deadbeats would likely still be on the roster.

People complained about DV's "loyalty", yet Herm can't take out the trash?

[Pushead2]

I agree, this couldn't be a better first step.

[HemiEd]

It was time to get younger. I've got faith in Herm as a talent evaluator but I'm still not sold on his coaching ability. I'm willing to wait two years but then I'll get restless if we are still a 9-7/10-6 team.

I really want to have faith in Herm, but watching his sideline performance has not done much for confidence.

[Crush]

BOOM

[The Poz]

Tell me when Herm is gone.

Tell me when Solari is gone.

[Mile High Mania]

So, do you think they're just going to focus on the draft for WR help? Risky for 2007 upgrades in that area... long term it's good, but I am surprised that they really have done nothing to help that position.

[Archie Bunker]

So, do you think they're just going to focus on the draft for WR help? Risky for 2007 upgrades in that area... long term it's good, but I am surprised that they really have done nothing to help that position.

Not much available in FA (I'm not high on Bennett, Stallworth, or Curtis) and Herm is high on Webb and Hannon. The Chiefs will add one the 1st day of the draft and hope for the best IMO.

[Bootlegged]

Herm says he'd judge players on if they're

1.) ascending
2.) plateauing
3.) descending


Wesley = plateau
Knight = descending
Turley = descended to depths of hell
Sims = never was
Kawika = plateau
Green = descending

still to come..
Surtain = ? descending
Law = ? descending
Parker = never was

[BIG_DADDY]

Tell me when Solari is gone.


I feel your pain brutha.

[Valiant]

Herm says he'd judge players on if they're

1.) ascending
2.) plateauing
3.) descending


Wesley = plateau
Knight = descending
Turley = descended to depths of hell
Sims = never was
Kawika = plateau
Green = descending

still to come..
Surtain = ? descending
Law = ? descending
Parker = never was


See I don't think Surtain and Law did that bad with the scheme they were in or the lack of pass rush.. Granted they did not earn the pro bowl pay the received, but they did an awesome job with our front four giving the QB all day to throw... Besides Law falling down those few times...

Unless a CB is getting an Int you really dont want to hear their names called..

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Herm can replace Carl, that would be fine. Until he has to hire his replacment at HC...

[Direckshun]

Imagine four consecutive drafts as good as the one we had last year during the Herm Edwards tenure.

We should be a pretty good team for years.

[keg in kc]

So, do you think they're just going to focus on the draft for WR help? Risky for 2007 upgrades in that area... long term it's good, but I am surprised that they really have done nothing to help that position.What can you do, really? This is one of the worst FA crops of WR ever.

[Direckshun]

All the good WR prospects are either headcases or decent players that got gobbled up by the Patriots.

There's nothing out there. We'll probably gnab a good #3 man and draft a rook to start.

[Direckshun]

These are the remaining FAs (note that this does not count out possible trades -- but Herm's only trading for picks, not players).

Player, Position, Status, Height/Weight, Experience, Team

Alex Bannister WR UFA 6-5 207 6 Ravens
Corey Bradford WR UFA 6-1 201 9 Lions
Troy Brown WR UFA 5-10 196 14 Patriots
Antonio Bryant WR Released 6-2 188 5 49ers
Drew Carter WR RFA 6-3 200 3 Panthers
Terrance Copper WR RFA 6-0 201 3 Saints
Patrick Crayton WR RFA 6-0 205 3 Cowboys
Devard Darling WR RFA 6-1 215 3 Ravens
Andre Davis WR UFA 6-1 195 5 Bills
Bobby Engram WR UFA 5-10 188 11 Seahawks
D.J. Hackett WR RFA 6-2 199 2 Seahawks
Az-Zahir Hakim WR UFA 5-10 189 8 Chargers
Cortez Hankton WR UFA 6-0 200 4 Jaguars
Karl Hankton WR Released 6-2 202 8 Panthers
Lee Mays WR UFA 6-2 193 4 Steelers
Keenan McCardell WR Released 6-1 191 15 Chargers
Clarence Moore WR RFA 6-6 220 3 Ravens
Aaron Moorehead WR UFA 6-3 200 4 Colts
Eric Moulds WR Released 6-2 210 11 Texans
Samie Parker WR RFA 5-11 190 3 Chiefs
Willie Ponder WR UFA 6-0 204 4 Rams
Travis Taylor WR UFA 6-1 210 7 Vikings
Troy Walters WR UFA 5-8 171 7 Cardinals
Ernest Wilford WR RFA 6-4 218 3 Jaguars
Terrence Wilkins WR UFA 5-10 180 6 Colts

A lot to feel okay about, but not a lot to really like.

[Coogs]

Tell me when Solari is gone.

I remember hearing and reading where Al Saunders had one of the most complicated offenses in the NFL. It worked here with the talent we had at the time. But most all of those players are pretty much gone or soon to be gone. Holmes, Roaf, Green, Shields, several RT's, T Rich, Dunn, etc..

Herm made a comment a couple of days ago that the offense needed to be simplified. Simplified does not have to mean 3 runs and a punt. Just a simpler playbook for the players... and the OC... to go by.

These past two days have been just what the doctor ordered for me with regards to the Chiefs.

[Rausch]

I would have liked to grab Justin Gage but I think he just signed with someone.

Hometown boy with good hands. Average size and speed but plays smart and can catch.

[Rausch]

I remember hearing and reading where Al Saunders had one of the most complicated offenses in the NFL. It worked here with the talent we had at the time. But most all of those players are pretty much gone or soon to be gone. Holmes, Roaf, Green, Shields, several RT's, T Rich, Dunn, etc..

Herm made a comment a couple of days ago that the offense needed to be simplified. Simplified does not have to mean 3 runs and a punt. Just a simpler playbook for the players... and the OC... to go by.

These past two days have been just what the doctor ordered for me with regards to the Chiefs.

You could say Herm was conservative a lot last year but until Huard got comfortable I don't blame him. We had LJ and a defense that was showing signs of being something.

Once Huard got some seasoning and Green came back we opened it up a little.

His arse didn't seem to pucker up again until the opening kickoff in Indi...

[Mile High Mania]

Hell, I don't know why KC wouldn't look at a short term deal for Bryant, Wilford or even McCardell. They'd be cheap and you never know.

Bryant has talent, but he is a headcase.

[keg in kc]

Gage hasn't really done anything as a pro. His four years combine into a decent NFL season for a receiver. It was the Titans that signed him.

[ROYC75]

The players changes are refreshing, but we still have Herm as a HC, so game planning, clock management will still be the same.


Expect the same average results from a younger, faster sqaud.......

[Mile High Mania]

I would have liked to grab Justin Gage but I think he just signed with someone.

Hometown boy with good hands. Average size and speed but plays smart and can catch.

Gage signed with the Titans... I don't know much about him other than he never developed in CHI.

[TinyEvel]

I agree with what most of you guys said about the Herm's team develpment and draft skillz, but my jury is still WAY out in terms of his sideline abilities on game day.
Though, he was working with a new OC and mainly DV's players. I'm optimistically thinking he'll get better when he's got his own indoctrinated dudes in there. A physical, run-heavy O and the "cover who?" becomes the Tampa Two.

Yeah, I know, then I'll win the Lottery and Marry Pamela Anderson.

But I'm thinking that a rebuilding year is the best we can hope for. Give me one Flea-flicker for a TD and I'll be satisfied.

[kcxiv]

See I don't think Surtain and Law did that bad with the scheme they were in or the lack of pass rush.. Granted they did not earn the pro bowl pay the received, but they did an awesome job with our front four giving the QB all day to throw... Besides Law falling down those few times...

Unless a CB is getting an Int you really dont want to hear their names called..
Law was on it come play offs though. that guy is just ****ing clutch

[CoMoChief]

Starting Defense

DE Hali
DE Allen
DT Boone
DT Reed (sign Ian Scott, Carl)
OLB Edwards
MLB Harris
OLB Johnson
CB Law
CB Surtain
FS Page
SS Pollard

Not too bad...

[Direckshun]

He'd have to sign Reed first, CoMo.

[keg in kc]

Hell, I don't know why KC wouldn't look at a short term deal for Bryant, Wilford or even McCardell. They'd be cheap and you never know.

Bryant has talent, but he is a headcase.I would imagine they're intending to give an opportunity to either Webb (6th rounder last year) or Hannon (UFA last). They're both big guys (Webb's 6'2, 211; Hannon's 6'3, 205) with some speed who had last year to learn the playbook. Kennison is still around. Then add a pick or two into the mix.

Just my guess. It wouldn't shock me to see a cheap signing, but I don't think any of the receivers are worth what they're going for this offseason. I'd be just as satisfied with staying away unless you can get a real deal. McCardell, for instance, I think would be a bad idea at this point unless it's for a song. Don't want to tie up future cap dollars, especially not for a geezer, when we're apparently working at cleaning the cupboard

Just the way I see it right now.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

[QUOTE=TinyEvel]
Yeah, I know, then I'll win the Lottery and Marry Pamela Anderson.[ /QUOTE]


if you're not marrying her for her money :shrug:

[DaneMcCloud]

[QUOTE=TinyEvel]
Yeah, I know, then I'll win the Lottery and Marry Pamela Anderson.[ /QUOTE]


if you're not marrying her for her money :shrug:

He's already got money. Did you see his car? He's marrying her for the Hep C :evil: :evil:

[ct]

These are the remaining FAs (note that this does not count out possible trades -- but Herm's only trading for picks, not players).

Player, Position, Status, Height/Weight, Experience, Team

Alex Bannister WR UFA 6-5 207 6 Ravens
Corey Bradford WR UFA 6-1 201 9 Lions
Troy Brown WR UFA 5-10 196 14 Patriots
Antonio Bryant WR Released 6-2 188 5 49ers
Drew Carter WR RFA 6-3 200 3 Panthers
Terrance Copper WR RFA 6-0 201 3 Saints
Patrick Crayton WR RFA 6-0 205 3 Cowboys
Devard Darling WR RFA 6-1 215 3 Ravens
Andre Davis WR UFA 6-1 195 5 Bills
Bobby Engram WR UFA 5-10 188 11 Seahawks
D.J. Hackett WR RFA 6-2 199 2 Seahawks
Az-Zahir Hakim WR UFA 5-10 189 8 Chargers
Cortez Hankton WR UFA 6-0 200 4 Jaguars
Karl Hankton WR Released 6-2 202 8 Panthers
Lee Mays WR UFA 6-2 193 4 Steelers
Keenan McCardell WR Released 6-1 191 15 Chargers
Clarence Moore WR RFA 6-6 220 3 Ravens
Aaron Moorehead WR UFA 6-3 200 4 Colts
Eric Moulds WR Released 6-2 210 11 Texans
Samie Parker WR RFA 5-11 190 3 Chiefs
Willie Ponder WR UFA 6-0 204 4 Rams
Travis Taylor WR UFA 6-1 210 7 Vikings
Troy Walters WR UFA 5-8 171 7 Cardinals
Ernest Wilford WR RFA 6-4 218 3 Jaguars
Terrence Wilkins WR UFA 5-10 180 6 Colts

A lot to feel okay about, but not a lot to really like.

Hell, I don't know why KC wouldn't look at a short term deal for Bryant, Wilford or even McCardell. They'd be cheap and you never know.

Bryant has talent, but he is a headcase.

No way I want Bryant or McCardell. Another problem child and a guy so old he needs a walker.

Wilford and Hackett and the 2 most interesting to me, because they are still young. That backfires though, as they are both RFA. Engram or Moulds would be work a short-term flyer, but still won't be cheap.

[The Poz]

Hell, I don't know why KC wouldn't look at a short term deal for Bryant, Wilford or even McCardell. They'd be cheap and you never know.

Bryant has talent, but he is a headcase.

True, Bryant is talented and a major headcase but he'll also be missing the first 2 games of the year for a violation of the league's substance abuse policy.
It's 4 in total. He missed his first 2 at the end of last season. Sort of the reason the 49'ers released him.