Anti-Porn campaign launched in KC

[Mr. Laz]

in the spirit of the nekkid carwash approval in australia .....



Anti-porn campaign launches KC attack

Group backed by churches asks six county prosecutors to call grand juries to investigate 32 businesses.

By JOHN SHULTZ and LAURA BAUER
The Kansas City Star


* Stores targeted by anti-porn campaign

Backed by scores of churches and religious groups, a Kansas anti-porn crusader is going after the area’s adult entertainment industry.

Leaders of those churches delivered petitions Thursday to courthouses in six area counties seeking grand jury investigations of 32 businesses for promotion of obscenity. They include strip clubs, sex shops and video rental stores.

“This is most certainly a Christian endeavor. This is basic to who we are,” said Phillip Cosby, head of the Kansas City chapter of the National Coalition for the Protection of Children & Families, the group behind the effort. “It is the very fabric of our culture that is being ripped apart by this sexualized culture.”

Cosby previously led campaigns against adult bookstores and sex shops in Saline and Dickinson counties in central Kansas, taking advantage of a little-known Kansas law that allows citizens to call for grand jury investigations. At least two businesses were indicted.

How successful Cosby’s efforts will be this time remains to be seen.

The petitions are likely to trigger grand jury investigations in Johnson and Wyandotte counties in Kansas. But Missouri has no means for the public to call for grand jury investigations, so it is less clear what will happen in Jackson, Clay, Platte and Cass counties.

The prosecutors from those four counties issued a joint statement Thursday say they are alerting businesses to be aware of the state’s obscenity law.

A copy of one letter the Jackson County prosecutor’s office sent to Bazooka’s in Kansas City does little more than spell out Missouri’s obscenity law, which ties the definition of obscenity to “contemporary community standards” — standards decided by juries.

Dick Bryant, a lawyer who has represented local adult businesses in obscenity cases, said area authorities had hewn fairly close to standards set in a failed attempt to prosecute Johnson County’s adult industry in the 1980s. Bryant said he didn’t foresee charges from this new campaign.

“From a community tolerance level, there’s probably more acceptance of adult materials since that time,” he said.

A contingent of the supporting church groups met privately Thursday with Jackson County Prosecutor Jim Kanatzar. Howard Cordell, pastor of Faith Covenant Church in Blue Springs, said Kanatzar told the group that there was little he could do to bring charges but that he was exploring avenues.

“We feel that he’s sensitive to the issue,” Cordell said.

Kanatzar declined to talk with reporters.

Cosby said he was aware of the Missouri limitations, but he wanted to alert elected officials to the church leaders’ concerns.

“Let’s engage the culture and ask a question,” Cosby said. “Let’s pick a fight.”

Cosby has spent the past year preaching his group’s view that pornography ruins families, and that adult entertainment businesses lower property values and increase the rates of crime and sexually transmitted diseases.

His goal was to get enough signatures in Wyandotte and Johnson counties to seat a grand jury. To do that, citizens must gather signatures of registered voters based on a formula tied to turnout in the preceding election for governor.

In this case, the group needed 770 signatures in Wyandotte County and 3,863 in Johnson to take aim at eight businesses in those counties, Cosby said. They ended up with significantly more signatures in each, he said.

The group also surpassed its own Missouri goals, netting about 8,200 signatures in Jackson County, home to the majority of its targets.

Bonner Springs Baptist Church has about 100 members. Forty-five signed the petition. Not bad, said pastor Bud Jones, since much of the congregation is not registered or too young to vote.

“As we see in our society more child abuse and more activities on the Internet, there comes a time where we say, ‘That’s enough,’ ” Jones said.

Once Kansas grand juries are seated, district attorneys oversee the process.

“It’s kind of a passive role,” said Brian Burgess, spokesman for Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline. “The D.A. simply acts as a facilitator.”

Some pastors say that though their congregations have been concerned about how pornography poisons a community, Cosby provided the spark that got churches organized.

“Phil has been the catalyst that brings us all together,” said the Rev. James Conard, assistant pastor of First Baptist Church in Shawnee.

“Usually that’s what it takes, one person to lead the charge. … If you’re going to do something, might as well do it in a big way.

“If we had our way, pornography would be illegal.”

The targets

Jackson County

After Dark Video, 8801 E. Truman Road, Kansas City
After Dark Video, 9400 S. Missouri 7, Lee’s Summit
Bazooka’s, 1717 Main St., Kansas City
Erotic City, 8401 E. Truman Road, Kansas City
Family Video, 301 N.E. Todd George Road, Lee’s Summit
Naughty But Nice, 3821 Main St., Kansas City
Naughty But Nice, 8116 South U.S. 71, Kansas City
Naughty But Nice, 891 East U.S. 40, Kansas City
Priscilla’s, 1130 S.W. Missouri 7, Blue Springs
Priscilla’s, 7236 Wornall Road, Kansas City
Priscilla’s, 312 S.E. Missouri 291, Lee’s Summit
Ray’s Over 21, 3710 Independence Ave., Kansas City
Roscoe Video, 11720 E. 23rd St., Independence
SRO Video Store, 402 E. Gregory Blvd., Kansas City
Strand Theatre, 3544 Troost Ave., Kansas City
Video Discount Warehouse, 8021 Prospect Ave., Kansas City
Video Escape, 12121 Blue Ridge Blvd., Grandview
Video Mania, 208 Westport Road, Kansas City
World Wide Video, 1142 E. Meyer Blvd., Kansas City
World Wide Video, 5600 E. Bannister Road, Kansas City

Platte County
World’s Liquor, 8180 N.W. Prairie View Road, Kansas City
Clay County
Priscilla’s, 916 S. Missouri 291, Liberty
Priscilla’s, 6100 N. Oak Trafficway, Kansas City

Cass County
Priscilla’s, 8028 E. 171st St., Belton

Johnson County
Gringo Loco, 905 S. Parker St., Olathe
Hollywood at Home, 9062 Metcalf Ave., Overland Park
Movie Gallery, 117 S. Parker St., Olathe
Priscilla’s, 1848 E. Santa Fe St., Olathe
Video Library, 12831 W. 87th St. Parkway, Lenexa

Wyandotte County
Naughty But Nice, 5053 State Ave., Kansas City, Kan.
Priscilla’s, 4301 Rainbow Blvd., Kansas City, Kan.
Priscilla’s, 7258 State Ave., Kansas City, Kan.

[BIG_DADDY]

That sucks.

[unothadeal]

Suckers.

[greg63]

This thread is useless without....

[JBucc]

What are they gonna do, shut down the internet?

[Mr. Laz]

it's not just strip joints ...... they are targeting any business that sells anything "adult"

for instance, any place that rents an adult move


doesn't matter that 95% of their movies are "normal" ... if they have an adult movie rental section then these wackjobs are going after them.





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[noa]

I guess this means they've solved all the real crimes in KC

[Mr. Plow]

Damn Americans.......I'm going to Australia.

[BigRedChief]

Much ado about nothing. First amendment...duh?

Just a bunch of grandstanding by some church groups. It'll never stand up in court.
They going to be me in jail for my sig?

[Bowser]

These people need to loosen up and get laid!

[BigChiefFan]

Where the **** are our constitutional rights going? If you don't like it-get the **** out.

[Bowser]

Jackson County

After Dark Video, 8801 E. Truman Road, Kansas City
After Dark Video, 9400 S. Missouri 7, Lee’s Summit
Bazooka’s, 1717 Main St., Kansas City
Erotic City, 8401 E. Truman Road, Kansas City
Family Video, 301 N.E. Todd George Road, Lee’s Summit
Naughty But Nice, 3821 Main St., Kansas City
Naughty But Nice, 8116 South U.S. 71, Kansas City
Naughty But Nice, 891 East U.S. 40, Kansas City
Priscilla’s, 1130 S.W. Missouri 7, Blue Springs
Priscilla’s, 7236 Wornall Road, Kansas City
Priscilla’s, 312 S.E. Missouri 291, Lee’s Summit
Ray’s Over 21, 3710 Independence Ave., Kansas City
Roscoe Video, 11720 E. 23rd St., Independence
SRO Video Store, 402 E. Gregory Blvd., Kansas City
Strand Theatre, 3544 Troost Ave., Kansas City
Video Discount Warehouse, 8021 Prospect Ave., Kansas City
Video Escape, 12121 Blue Ridge Blvd., Grandview
Video Mania, 208 Westport Road, Kansas City
World Wide Video, 1142 E. Meyer Blvd., Kansas City
World Wide Video, 5600 E. Bannister Road, Kansas City

Platte County
World’s Liquor, 8180 N.W. Prairie View Road, Kansas City
Clay County
Priscilla’s, 916 S. Missouri 291, Liberty
Priscilla’s, 6100 N. Oak Trafficway, Kansas City

Cass County
Priscilla’s, 8028 E. 171st St., Belton

Johnson County
Gringo Loco, 905 S. Parker St., Olathe
Hollywood at Home, 9062 Metcalf Ave., Overland Park
Movie Gallery, 117 S. Parker St., Olathe
Priscilla’s, 1848 E. Santa Fe St., Olathe
Video Library, 12831 W. 87th St. Parkway, Lenexa

Wyandotte County
Naughty But Nice, 5053 State Ave., Kansas City, Kan.
Priscilla’s, 4301 Rainbow Blvd., Kansas City, Kan.
Priscilla’s, 7258 State Ave., Kansas City, Kan.


I'm betting all these places are actually pretty happy for the free publicity.

[BigChiefFan]

Looks like porn is a go in Clay county. LOL.

[sedated]

and therefore I begin my official Anti-Religious Groups campaign.

they're ruining america, and corrupting our children

[Bowser]

and therefore I begin my official Anti-Religious Groups campaign.

they're ruining america, and corrupting our children

Not when our laws come straight from THE LORD JEHOVAH!!


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[burt]

They going to be me in jail for my sig?

I would hunt each and every one of them down and embarrass them in public, for that!

[greg63]

Much ado about nothing. First amendment...duh?

Just a bunch of grandstanding by some church groups. It'll never stand up in court.
They going to be me in jail for my sig?
Well it is slightly too large; here's the proper size. :D

[Archie F. Swin]

two things I see wrong:

Why does it have to be done in the name of religion?(uh oh)

And I don't think you should go after businesses...you need to go after the conscience of men, and appeal to their sense of decency.

[Saulbadguy]

Dumbass CHRISTIANS. (for chagrin)

[Ebolapox]

here's the funny thing: I know a girl who works in one of the porn shops here in springfield, and she claims that she sees more people from her church than 'seedy' people you'd assume attend locales like that one...

[BigRedChief]

Well it is slightly too large; here's the proper size. :D
I was grandfathered in by mass opinion.:harumph:

[redskin]

Yea, Cosby started all this here in Abilene a few years ago when an "Adult SuperStore" opened by the interstate. Not sure what all his efforts ever amounted to because the store is still open. Nice to see he's moved on from here though.

[Mecca]

Church groups are ruining this country.......leave my porn alone.

[kc rush]

The targets

Johnson County
Gringo Loco, 905 S. Parker St., Olathe
Hollywood at Home, 9062 Metcalf Ave., Overland Park
Movie Gallery, 117 S. Parker St., Olathe
Priscilla’s, 1848 E. Santa Fe St., Olathe
Video Library, 12831 W. 87th St. Parkway, Lenexa



The Movie Gallery has been closed for probably a year now. They have already won.

[journeyscarab]

Where is Fred Phelps gonna get the latest edition of "Tool Box" if they close these places down?

[Thig Lyfe]

Good for them. It's a dark day when a family can't go out to the local strip club without seeing a naked woman.

[sedated]

Why does it have to be done in the name of religion?(uh oh)

And I don't think you should go after businesses...you need to go after the conscience of men, and appeal to their sense of decency.

I hope your joking

[KC Kings]

Where the **** are our constitutional rights going? If you don't like it-get the **** out.

Exactly, maybe they will follow you out the door.

Oh, I guess you meant the constitutional rights as long as the support your side.

[KC Kings]

here's the funny thing: I know a girl who works in one of the porn shops here in springfield, and she claims that she sees more people from her church than 'seedy' people you'd assume attend locales like that one...

She must have a large church. I mean if you have 100 customers a day, at least a 4th of them are seedy looking so that means that more than a 4th of them are from her church. So that's 25 church members a day, well say 6 days a week because Sunday she is in church, if they are weekly customers that is 250 people a week from her church come into the store. I have no doubt that some of my church members like the pron, but for the ones who would be seen shopping at adult video stores I would guess 5% and the extreme maximum. I guess with a 5,000 member church that would be possible, IF she worked every day from open to close and they didn't shop at any other adult movie store in town.

But it's your story...

[Valiant]

If these porn stores would just carry porn that had to do about Priests/Pastors molesting church kids they would have no problem and look the other way like before...


Not a stab(regards) at/to our resident Pastor, just the hypocrisy of certain churches trying to force their will...

[Pitt Gorilla]

She must have a large church. I mean if you have 100 customers a day, at least a 4th of them are seedy looking so that means that more than a 4th of them are from her church. So that's 25 church members a day, well say 6 days a week because Sunday she is in church, if they are weekly customers that is 250 people a week from her church come into the store. I have no doubt that some of my church members like the pron, but for the ones who would be seen shopping at adult video stores I would guess 5% and the extreme maximum. I guess with a 5,000 member church that would be possible, IF she worked every day from open to close and they didn't shop at any other adult movie store in town.

But it's your story...Well, part of it is your story. Do you have a citation for the "4th" figure, or is that from your personal experience at the pron shops?

[SLAG]

The Archdiocese of Kansas City Kansas
and The Diocese of Kansas City St Joseph has Teamed up together to do a Anti- Porn Intitiave here in KC as well
but this is aimed at starting with Yourself to make the change not shutting down dens of debauchery.

http://www.diocese-kcsj.org/myhousekcsj/index21.jpg


http://www.diocese-kcsj.org/myhousekcsj/


Check it out

lets save our souls

[Archie F. Swin]

I hope your joking

why do you hope I'm joking?

[Adept Havelock]

And the latter day Gladys Kravitz's of America raise their petulant whine against porn once again.

:rolleyes:

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Simple. Too simple for these simpletons, apparently.

[sedated]

The Archdiocese of Kansas City Kansas
and The Diocese of Kansas City St Joseph has Teamed up together to do a Anti- Porn Intitiave here in KC as well
but this is aimed at starting with Yourself to make the change not shutting down dens of debauchery.

http://www.diocese-kcsj.org/myhousekcsj/index21.jpg


http://www.diocese-kcsj.org/myhousekcsj/


Check it out

lets save our souls


ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

[sedated]

Why does it have to be done in the name of religion?(uh oh)

becuause crazy religous nutbags are the ones who classify human nature as evil

And I don't think you should go after businesses...you need to go after the conscience of men, and appeal to their sense of decency.

good luck with that.

as long as humans have sexual organs, there will be pornography

as Bill Hicks said, "About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I f*ck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?"

"You ever noticed how people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? You ever noticed that? Eyes real close together, eyebrow ridges, big furry hands and feet. "I believe God created me in one day" Yeah, looks liked He rushed it"

[SLAG]

Pornography is never “innocent entertainment,” no matter how private it might seem. It turns human beings into objects. It coarsens our appetites. It darkens our ability to see real human beauty. It creates impossible expectations about sexual intimacy. It kills enduring romance and friendship between the sexes. And ultimately it’s a lie and a cheat. Pornography is a cheap, quick, empty copy of the real thing — the real joy of sexual intimacy shared by a man and woman who have joined their lives in a loving marriage.(from the link i posted)

becuause crazy religous nutbags are the ones who classify human nature as evil



good luck with that.

as long as humans have sexual organs, there will be pornography

as Bill Hicks said, "About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I f*ck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?"

"You ever noticed how people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? You ever noticed that? Eyes real close together, eyebrow ridges, big furry hands and feet. "I believe God created me in one day" Yeah, looks liked He rushed it"

[sedated]

Pornography is never “innocent entertainment,” no matter how private it might seem. It turns human beings into objects. It coarsens our appetites. It darkens our ability to see real human beauty. It creates impossible expectations about sexual intimacy. It kills enduring romance and friendship between the sexes. And ultimately it’s a lie and a cheat. Pornography is a cheap, quick, empty copy of the real thing — the real joy of sexual intimacy shared by a man and woman who have joined their lives in a loving marriage.(from the link i posted)

I disagree, that's quite an extreme viewpoint (of course, we are talking about religion, so its to be expected).

porn doesn't turn human beings into objects, other human beings turn human beings into objects.

anyone ever tell you that prostitution is the world's oldest career?

and some people need a cheap, quick copy of the real thing.


I personally don't watch much porn, but I'll always support someone's freedom to do what they like.

[sedated]

the real joy of sexual intimacy shared by a man and woman who have joined their lives in a loving marriage.(from the link i posted)

you've mentioned you're 21 with 2 kids.

curious, were you married before you conceived the first?

[DenverChief]

and therefore I begin my official Anti-Religious Groups campaign.

they're ruining america, and corrupting our children


LMAO :thumb:

[SLAG]

you've mentioned you're 21 with 2 kids.

curious, were you married before you conceived the first?

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with an ad hominem attack

i'm not sure anyone NEEDS a cheap quick copy of the real thing

people may WANT the cheapness, but i cant think of when you would NEED it as you stated..


heres the full article from what I quoted



We need to stop pornography, now

A friend recently quipped to me that if Americans were as good at the “war on terror” as we are in our “war on common sense,” the world would be a much safer place. He was talking about our country’s increasingly confused attitudes toward sex.

Last week offered a good example. In an interview with the Chicago Tribune, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Gen. Peter Pace, said that “I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts. I do not believe the United States is well-served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way.”

Note that Pace did not say that, “homosexual persons are evil.” He said that homosexual acts are wrong. And of course he’s right. We might question the general’s choice to comment in the context he did, but not his content. He simply stated the Western moral tradition. We should respect his courage for saying it. Every human being has an inalienable dignity as an image of God. But as part of that dignity, we also have free will, and our choices — our behaviors — create wholeness or havoc around us, depending on their moral content.

Our sexual behavior is never merely a “private” matter. Human sexuality is deeply linked to issues of identity, fertility and new life. Our sexual behavior always has social implications because it directly or indirectly impacts others. Therefore it helps shape the wider culture. This is not a uniquely Christian point of view. Most Americans clearly agree with Gen. Pace. The only thing strange about his remarks was the theatrical wave of shock they generated from critics. In fact, with the good exception of Sen. Sam Brownback and some others, many members of Congress scrambled to criticize Gen. Pace — despite the moral beliefs of the people who elected them.

The bickering over Gen. Pace is just an icon of wider problems. The sexual confusion at the top of U.S. society now has an echo in every corner of American life. Sexually transmitted disease, child sexual abuse, adult Internet predators, divorce, cohabitation and nearly every other indicator of a dysfunctional society stand at epidemic levels. But very few people want to name the biggest single environmental crisis we face: a multi-billion dollar pornography industry that pours garbage into our homes every day through the Web and other media.

Forty years ago, when steel mills pumped hundreds of tons of toxic waste each week into the Great Lakes — literally “killing” Lake Erie and damaging the health of tens of thousands of families — citizens got organized. They forced the mills to clean up or shut down. We need to do the same today. Citizens need to stop the pornography industry now — not out of some kind of Victorian prudery, but because pornography poisons the human heart, imagination and soul just as those steel mills once poisoned our air and water, only worse.

Pornography is never “innocent entertainment,” no matter how private it might seem. It turns human beings into objects. It coarsens our appetites. It darkens our ability to see real human beauty. It creates impossible expectations about sexual intimacy. It kills enduring romance and friendship between the sexes. And ultimately it’s a lie and a cheat. Pornography is a cheap, quick, empty copy of the real thing — the real joy of sexual intimacy shared by a man and woman who have joined their lives in a loving marriage.

In recent months, two Catholic bishops have begun some extraordinary work against pornography in their Midwest dioceses: Bishop Robert Finn of Kansas City-St. Joseph, Mo., and Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, Kan.

Bishop Finn’s excellent pastoral letter, “Blessed Are the Pure in Heart: The Dignity of the Human Person and the Dangers of Pornography,” has a wealth of good information about the scope of pornography, the damage it does and many practical tips to fighting it in our homes. Archbishop Naumann’s anti-pornography initiative, “As for Me and My House, We Will Serve the Lord,” includes a DVD and workbook with valuable resources for fighting pornography, teaching chastity and wholesome sexuality, and helping others who have been hurt by pornography addiction.

We can’t do much to fix the sexual confusion at the top of our society, beyond writing to our elected officials and demanding candidates who will advance our convictions when the time comes to vote. But we can do a lot about the poison in our homes and local communities. Pornography is poison. It should be controlled like any other toxic waste. And don’t be fooled. This isn’t “censorship.” It’s a matter of public health and common sense.

[sedated]

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with an ad hominem attack

just trying to expose hypocrisy

i'm not sure anyone NEEDS a cheap quick copy of the real thing

people may WANT the cheapness, but i cant think of when you would NEED it as you stated..

because sex is instinct, human nature.

if we can't get the real thing, we're going to find the closest substitute.

if it's not porn, its maxim,
if not maxim, then the JCPenny bra section,
if not maxim, peaking through neighbor's windows,
if not peaking, rape? who knows

[DenverChief]

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with an ad hominem attack

i'm not sure anyone NEEDS a cheap quick copy of the real thing

people may WANT the cheapness, but i cant think of when you would NEED it as you stated..


heres the full article from what I quoted


ya know if you don't like it don't watch it but don't force your views/beliefs on me ....It neither harms you or is put in your face and yet you want to tell me how I should live my life when I only come into contact with you when you are speeding down my road endangering everyone else on that road because you are "in a hurry" to get to church ...tell me which is more dangerous??

People need to figure out what their priorities are, porn is a multi BILLION dollar a year industry...you think about that for a minute a multi BILLION dollar a year industry

You wanna do something good? try stopping child porn, try stopping meth labs, try stopping the violence

[Mecca]

I think Slag is the guy who called me names because I said something about anal sex.........and then told me how it was wrong and all sorta shit.......

Just remember there's a reason I have no kids....

[SLAG]

because sex is instinct, human nature.

if we can't get the real thing, we're going to find the closest substitute.

if it's not porn, its maxim,
if not maxim, then the JCPenny bra section,
if not maxim, peaking through neighbor's windows,
if not peaking, rape? who knows

Sex is Instinct to procreate... that is the Human nature

if we cant get the real thing then no there is no need to find the closest substitute as there is no substitute.

By reverting to Porn, Maxim, Rape.. that shows the inability to have self control, it reveals a totally selfish attitude and that selfishness in sexuality is not Natural, as to adhere to the natural sexual nature of humans you would have to be completely selfless.

[Adept Havelock]

Pornography is never “innocent entertainment,” no matter how private it might seem. It turns human beings into objects. It coarsens our appetites. It darkens our ability to see real human beauty. It creates impossible expectations about sexual intimacy. It kills enduring romance and friendship between the sexes. And ultimately it’s a lie and a cheat. Pornography is a cheap, quick, empty copy of the real thing — the real joy of sexual intimacy shared by a man and woman who have joined their lives in a loving marriage.(from the link i posted)


That's one opinion. The old lady and I both enjoy campy porn from the 70's and 80's. Hasn't killed our "enduring romance and friendship" in all these years, and I don't expect it will anytime soon.

I guess we haven't been experiencing "real joy of sexual intimacy shared by a man and woman who have joined their lives in a loving marriage", either. Since we don't have that all-important piece of paperwork, that is. ROFL

She's happy, I'm happy. And porn (or a lack of a "loving marriage") certainly hasn't detracted from our happiness.


You wanna do something good? try stopping child porn, try stopping meth labs, try stopping the violence

Couldn't agree more with you, DC.

[DenverChief]

That's one opinion. The old lady and I both enjoy campy porn from the 70's and 80's. Hasn't killed our "enduring romance and friendship" in all these years, and I don't expect it will anytime soon.


:clap:

[Mecca]

Sex is Instinct to procreate... that is the Human nature

if we cant get the real thing then no there is no need to find the closest substitute as there is no substitute.

By reverting to Porn, Maxim, Rape.. that shows the inability to have self control, it reveals a totally selfish attitude and that selfishness in sexuality is not Natural, as to adhere to the natural sexual nature of humans you would have to be completely selfless.

Are you really classifying porn with rape......please tell me you aren't or I'm about to call you alot of unflattering names.

[DenverChief]

Sex is Instinct to procreate...

au contraire monfrair ...so masturbation/oral sex is bad then, because it is not for procreation...anywho I know that there have been studies showing in the animal kingdom animals have sex for pleasure as well...look it up I think one is on MSNBC

[DenverChief]

That's one opinion. The old lady and I both enjoy campy porn from the 70's and 80's.


BTW WTF Is "campy" porn? :spock:

[SLAG]

Are you really classifying porn with rape......please tell me you aren't or I'm about to call you alot of unflattering names.
No sedated was

i was continuing with his line of thought

[SLAG]

au contraire monfrair ...so masturbation/oral sex is bad then, because it is not for procreation...anywho I know that there have been studies showing in the animal kingdom animals have sex for pleasure as well...look it up I think one is on MSNBC
Yes Oral sex and Masturbation is Bad if it does not lead to ejaculation in the vagina..

[Mecca]

Yes Oral sex and Masturbation is Bad if it does not lead to ejaculation in the vagina..

I don't want kids so guess what...........I disagree.

[convict1983]

BTW WTF Is "campy" porn? :spock:

Probably Debbie Does Dallas or in the same lines as that.

[SLAG]

ya know if you don't like it don't watch it but don't force your views/beliefs on me ....It neither harms you or is put in your face and yet you want to tell me how I should live my life when I only come into contact with you when you are speeding down my road endangering everyone else on that road because you are "in a hurry" to get to church ...tell me which is more dangerous??

People need to figure out what their priorities are, porn is a multi BILLION dollar a year industry...you think about that for a minute a multi BILLION dollar a year industry

You wanna do something good? try stopping child porn, try stopping meth labs, try stopping the violence



Just because Porn generates a ton of money does not make it morally or ethically acceptable.

Drugs and Contract Murders can generate high income too.

I am not advocating closing down these Smut Shops but rather advocating personal growth in Morality and ethics as well as hoping to promote natural law.

Like i said before it starts with each individual person before you try and stop the external entities

[Adept Havelock]

BTW WTF Is "campy" porn? :spock:


Oh, cheesy stuff with a "plot" like Sex Boat, Debbie Does Dallas, The 70's version of Alice in Wonderland, High School Memories, A Coming of Angels, etc.

Very different from today's stuff. People actually had hair "down there" and breasts that bore little resemblance to todays implanted Breakfast Cereal bowls. Seems to me they actually enjoyed themselved more as well.

[Valiant]

Probably Debbie Does Dallas or in the same lines as that.


I think by Campy he means cheesy/silly.. Kind of like most B horror movies.. I know some of those porns are down ridiculous and

[Valiant]

Just because Porn generates a ton of money does not make it morally or ethically acceptable.

Drugs and Contract Murders can generate high income too.

I am not advocating closing down these Smut Shops but rather advocating personal growth in Morality and ethics as well as hoping to promote natural law.

Like i said before it starts with each individual person before you try and stop the external entities


Why are you trying to stop each individual person when they do not care about your opinion or your beliefs... It is not your job to tell these people that your religion condemns them, they don't give a ****...

How about everybody gets together and force the Churches to start paying taxes because they should have no right to be exempt.. That is a cause you should go after, maybe if a church was not a free cash cow for those that want dictate over others for no reason we would not be having this problem...

[Al Bundy]

I bet Cosby has a hidden closet in his house full of shemale and donkey porn.

[SLAG]

Why are you trying to stop each individual person when they do not care about your opinion or your beliefs... It is not your job to tell these people that your religion condemns them, they don't give a ****...

How about everybody gets together and force the Churches to start paying taxes because they should have no right to be exempt.. That is a cause you should go after, maybe if a church was not a free cash cow for those that want dictate over others for no reason we would not be having this problem...


now you just sound ignorant

[Mecca]

I want to know why people care if other people watch porn, if you don't want to great but leave me alone.

[Adept Havelock]

How about everybody gets together and force the Churches to start paying taxes because they should have no right to be exempt...


The downside to that is if you tax churches, to be fair one must tax all charities.

[SLAG]

I want to know why people care if other people watch porn, if you don't want to great but leave me alone.

Because Christians love you...

I guess what good comes out of it?

what is the benefit of watching a female get anally penetrated by 10 males at the same time while she is sucking off a horse?

whats the positive side to this?

If you say "Just because I like it and I enjoy it , so I can get off.. etc" that sounds selfish and childish, as if you have no self control and no greater sense of sexuality

[Mecca]

Guess what......I'm not religious, hell I'm more atheist than anything so some religious group telling me something holds 0 weight........

It's just like video games man, if playing that game or watching porn really causes or affects someone they had some serious issues to begin with.

[Baby Lee]

Pornography is never “innocent entertainment,” no matter how private it might seem. It turns human beings into objects. It coarsens our appetites. It darkens our ability to see real human beauty. It creates impossible expectations about sexual intimacy. It kills enduring romance and friendship between the sexes. And ultimately it’s a lie and a cheat. Pornography is a cheap, quick, empty copy of the real thing — the real joy of sexual intimacy shared by a man and woman who have joined their lives in a loving marriage.(from the link i posted)
And the beauty of America is our collective ability to say 'so what?'

I think I'll start a movement to ban hamburgers because if cheapens the true beauty of a porterhouse with gorgonzola

[Adept Havelock]

Because Christians love you...

I guess what good comes out of it?

what is the benefit of watching a female get anally penetrated by 10 males at the same time while she is sucking off a horse?

whats the positive side to this?

If you say "Just because I like it and I enjoy it , so I can get off.. etc" that sounds selfish and childish, as if you have no self control and no greater sense of sexuality


:LOL:

As selfish and childish as presuming people can't find a "greater sense of sexuality" with porn, or because they don't bother with some piece of paper to codify their love for each other?

BTW- Choosing the most extreme form of pornography as an example makes you look as absurd as the unlamented former Sen. Rick Santorum when he started ranting about how the SC striking down Blue Laws would open the floodgates of man on dog sex.

Seriously Slag, I know you feel passionate about this, but if you are going to make a case, make a serious one. You can do better than that. This comparison is more akin to Phelpstards "God Hates Fags" signs than anything else. JMO.

And the beauty of America is our collective ability to say 'so what?'

I think I'll start a movement to ban hamburgers because if cheapens the true beauty of a porterhouse with gorgonzola

I hereby retract my "lost your burst" statement from DC.

[DenverChief]

Yes Oral sex and Masturbation is Bad if it does not lead to ejaculation in the vagina..


so you never have had oral sex and you never masturbated as a child?

[SLAG]

And the Ugly side of America is our collective ability to say 'so what?'



Fyp :thumb:

[DenverChief]

And the beauty of America is our collective ability to say 'so what?'

I think I'll start a movement to ban hamburgers because if cheapens the true beauty of a porterhouse with gorgonzola


Start the petition!! :)

[SLAG]

so you never have had oral sex and you never masturbated as a child?
Once again you are presenting an ad hominem argument.

Whats your point.. what I have or have not done in the past has no bearing on this current discussion

[Mecca]

I think America has much greater and more pressing problems than porno........

Notice all of the other nations that are considered in the first world also have porn but they don't have near the violence we do.........

I got this really you know jackass idea that we need to cut back on violent things but leave porn alone hey it just might work it has other places.

[Baby Lee]

Fyp :thumb:
Telling other people how to live their lives is far uglier than anything Tara Patrick's ever done.

[Valiant]

The downside to that is if you tax churches, to be fair one must tax all charities.


Maybe if churches actually spent most of their money on charity instead of trying to upgrade their congregation and people in the seats...

[Mecca]

I like how he brings up for pro-creation.......what if I don't want any kids.......because well I don't. What's his advice then to just be an overly sexually frustrated person?

[SLAG]

I like how he brings up for pro-creation.......what if I don't want any kids.......because well I don't. What's his advice then to just be an overly sexually frustrated person?

Yes

your body would do the Nocturnal emissions to remove the semen out of
your system naturally

[Valiant]

Once again you are presenting an ad hominem argument.

Whats your point.. what I have or have not done in the past has no bearing on this current discussion


Other then the fact that you think it is your duty or God's will to tell everybody that they should live their personal lives by your standards...



Besides avoiding the question again... Do you think your church deserves to be tax free?

[Mecca]

Son.........you need to grow up with the times, that is the lamest thing I've ever heard.

[SLAG]

Other then the fact that you think it is your duty or God's will to tell everybody that they should live their personal lives by your standards...



Besides avoiding the question again... Do you think your church deserves to be tax free?

I didn't Demand anyone live by MY standards.. and these are not even MY standards these are what the Catholic Church teaches.. nothing more.

Yes i was avoiding the OFF TOPIC question...

I would say for the church to be completely separated from the state that they would not have to pay taxes

[DenverChief]

I would say for the church to be completely separated from the state that they would not have to pay taxes


Even though they are a a political institution that preach their political beliefs and then tell their members to "spread the word" which is code for start petitions, call your representatives and elect those with the same belief?


Personally I think my religion is my business and nobody elses

[Adept Havelock]

Maybe if churches actually spent most of their money on charity instead of trying to upgrade their congregation and people in the seats...

Coming soon to Cable TV:

"Pimp My Congregation"

Ummm....I thought the congregation was the people in the seats. :p

[Mecca]

My major problem with religion is their desire to put their beliefs on me.........

If you wanna be into religion and buy into all of that and do what they say great go for it but at the same time leave me alone and don't expect me to do it too.

[SLAG]

Even though they are a apolitical institution that preach their political beliefs and then tell their members to "spread the word" which is code for start petitions, call your representatives and elect those with the same belief?


I think you are skewing Political beliefs with Morals

once again this is all OFF TOPIC.. you could start a new thread if you like...

but..

They are not a Political Institution.. i cant say i have ever seen someone run on the Morman Ticket or the Jewish Party..

[DenverChief]

I think you are skewing Political beliefs with Morals

once again this is all OFF TOPIC.. you could start a new thread if you like...

but..

They are not a Political Institution.. i cant say i have ever seen someone run on the Morman Ticket or the Jewish Party..

Once you try and make a law about something it leaves the personal morals arena and enters the political arena so when you try and ban gay marriage because it violates your morals you have moved your moral belief into a political belief.....

[Baby Lee]

I didn't Demand anyone live by MY standards..
So you also oppose the anti-porn effort in the topic header?
Thanks for the support.

[SLAG]

Once you try and make a law about something it leaves the personal morals arena and enters the political arena so when you try and ban gay marriage because it violates your morals you have moved your moral belief into a political belief.....
yet again

TOTALLY off Topic

The Catholic Church is very understanding to those disordered with homosexuality, heres a link

http://couragerc.net

[Valiant]

I didn't Demand anyone live by MY standards.. and these are not even MY standards these are what the Catholic Church teaches.. nothing more.

Yes i was avoiding the OFF TOPIC question...

I would say for the church to be completely separated from the state that they would not have to pay taxes

Yet you are telling everybody on here that they are wrong for liking porn...



Just because Church and State are separate should not mean you guys get to be tax free.. Religion is a multi-billion dollar a year private business... My grandma's church raised close to 6million dollars in five years to build a new church that has not happened nor ever will(land has been sitting vacant for 3 years now)...

And every church I have had the unfortunate privilege sitting through in the northland has been the same way... Buy your way into heaven, donate so we can help others(ourselves)...

Bottom line is Religion is a business and should be taxed accordingly, hell if that happens just think how much money we could pump into all the local school districts.. (A 50% tax of whatever is raised by the church to go into the local areas school budget fund for education only) Would you or your church be against that? A tax on all money collected where 50% would go to charity or schools? You are trying to help others after all...

[SLAG]

So you also oppose the anti-porn effort in the topic header?
Thanks for the support.

I am not in Direct Opposition to the anti-porn effort

but i fully support the KC Dioceses efforts as I posted the link to in my first post in this thread

[SLAG]

Yet you are telling everybody on here that they are wrong for liking porn...



Just because Church and State are separate should not mean you guys get to be tax free.. Religion is a multi-billion dollar a year private business... My grandma's church raised close to 6million dollars in five years to build a new church that has not happened nor ever will(land has been sitting vacant for 3 years now)...

And every church I have had the unfortunate privilege sitting through in the northland has been the same way... Buy your way into heaven, donate so we can help others(ourselves)...

Bottom line is Religion is a business and should be taxed accordingly, hell if that happens just think how much money we could pump into all the local school districts.. (A 50% tax of whatever is raised by the church to go into the local areas school budget fund for education only) Would you or your church be against that? A tax on all money collected where 50% would go to charity or schools? You are trying to help others after all...

sure I'm expressing my view in public - thats what we are all doing.. im not breaking into your home to burn your playgirl collection

The Catholic church is not representative of those churches in the northland... or any other buy your way in church..

No i would not support any tax of the sort... the Catholic Chruch is the biggest Charity in the WORLD.

[Baby Lee]

im not breaking into your home to burn your playgirl collection
Oops, apparently I don't oppose ad hominem

[Valiant]

sure I'm expressing my view in public - thats what we are all doing.. im not breaking into your home to burn your playgirl collection

The Catholic church is not representative of those churches in the northland... or any other buy your way in church..

No i would not support any tax of the sort... the Catholic Chruch is the biggest Charity in the WORLD.


I am glad the couple million dollars your corporation spent on charity the past year out of the billions raised is helping so much... I mean it is sad when an individual give more to charity in one year then your whole Corporation did in the US... I am glad your convinced that a few million dollars out of billions raised last year went to charity and therefor grants you a Tax-free pass...

But don't disgress even though your organization is going to waste Tax-payer money on a lawsuit over porn, all the pastors, preachers and priests will still get to fondel little choir boys to their hearts content without getting in trouble... We will just move them to another church or parish with a nice bonus...

[Valiant]

I think I am going to go down to Priscilla's later(haven't been in a few years even though it is across the street from where I live) and tell them to start a discount on Sundays...

Any person who brings in a pamplet or ID that they are a Church going member or went to church that day gets a buy one get one free discount... That should drive up business even more...

[DenverChief]

I hear there is no porn in CHINA....f*ckin commies

[sedated]

Once again you are presenting an ad hominem argument.

Whats your point.. what I have or have not done in the past has no bearing on this current discussion

it just means you are a hipocrit with no credibility

(you just became religious recently anyway, from what I hear)

[DenverChief]

I also hear there is no porn in CUBA....f*ckin commies

[sedated]

Once again you are presenting an ad hominem argument.

Whats your point.. what I have or have not done in the past has no bearing on this current discussion

typical catholics.

do as I say and not as I do :shake:

[DenverChief]

I also hear that there is no porn in NORTH KOREA....f*ckin commies

[DenverChief]

In other words if you don't like porn move to:

CHINA
CUBA
North Korea
Vietnam
Laos

http://mirkon.sneezepower.com/images/commie.jpg

[Adept Havelock]

Hey now, Commies like porn too.

Don't tell me you've never seen Svetlana does Svestapol!

Or the classic "Licked by Lenin, Schtupped by Stalin, Boinked by Brezhnev"!

[Mosbonian]

just trying to expose hypocrisy



because sex is instinct, human nature.

if we can't get the real thing, we're going to find the closest substitute.

if it's not porn, its maxim,
if not maxim, then the JCPenny bra section,
if not maxim, peaking through neighbor's windows,
if not peaking, rape? who knows

Hypocrisy cuts 2 ways.....

Also....may I ask what your intense anger towards "religion" comes from?

mmaddog
*******

[Mosbonian]

ya know if you don't like it don't watch it but don't force your views/beliefs on me ....It neither harms you or is put in your face and yet you want to tell me how I should live my life when I only come into contact with you when you are speeding down my road endangering everyone else on that road because you are "in a hurry" to get to church ...tell me which is more dangerous??

Wow....a little bit of a reach for someone who normally has pretty reasonable responses. It's JMO, but porn IS pretty much "in your face" these days. And I have no problem with you watching it in the privacy of your home, but it doesn't just stay there.

And how many people do you stop on that same road who are speeding who aren't going to church?

People need to figure out what their priorities are, porn is a multi BILLION dollar a year industry...you think about that for a minute a multi BILLION dollar a year industry

Illegal drugs are a multi billion dollar industry....should we give it the same pass as you are suggesting that we give porn?


You wanna do something good? try stopping child porn, try stopping meth labs, try stopping the violence

Here is where we agree......

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

Maybe if churches actually spent most of their money on charity instead of trying to upgrade their congregation and people in the seats...

Unfortunately that is a supposition that is unfairly made....not every church spends their money making "monuments" to themselves. The church that I attend is in a building that is 30 years old....there have been needed addtions made that were mandated to meet code.

But the church does spend a lot of money supporting missions not only overseas, but here at home.

To classify all churches as you have done is unfair.

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

Besides avoiding the question again... Do you think your church deserves to be tax free?

Yes I do....

But like someone else said, there is a double-edged sword to taking away the tax-free status of churches.

mmaddog
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[Adept Havelock]

Wow....a little bit of a reach for someone who normally has pretty reasonable responses. It's JMO, but porn IS pretty much "in your face" these days. And I have no problem with you watching it in the privacy of your home, but it doesn't just stay there.
I know this wasn't directed to me, but I'll respond anyway.

Really? "In your face"? Last time I checked, you had to pay for Cable/Sat TV..it's not being broadcast over the airwaves for free. :shrug: If someone is watching it in public, that's already a crime. Nonsense like this bunch of busybodies, we don't need. IMO.


Illegal drugs are a multi billion dollar industry....should we give it the same pass as you are suggesting that we give porn?

He's likely not, but I am...more or less. Legalize, or at least Decriminalize and tax the hell out of it. This has the added benefit of cutting the legs out from the criminals who gain massive profits because of it's illegal status. How many bootleggers stayed in the biz after prohibition was repealed?


I have no problem with Preachers talking politics from the pulpit.
As long as they renounce their tax free status, in accordance with the law. ;)

[Mosbonian]

Even though they are a a political institution that preach their political beliefs and then tell their members to "spread the word" which is code for start petitions, call your representatives and elect those with the same belief?


Personally I think my religion is my business and nobody elses

In light of the "watchdogs" that have been sent into church congregations to assure "compliance" with election standards I find the above statement amusing.

Churches are just as much a political institution as this BB.

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

I know this wasn't directed to me, but I'll respond anyway.

Really? "In your face"? Last time I checked, you had to pay for Cable/Sat TV..it's not being broadcast over the airwaves for free. :shrug: If someone is watching it in public, that's already a crime. Nonsense like this bunch of busybodies, we don't need. IMO.

Sorry, but regardless of whether it's on cable/satellite or free airwaves it's still porn. I'm not talking about PPV or pay movie channels (HBO,Cinemax, etc)...all you have to do to catch some of the "in your face" type of sexual displays is watch Cable TV after 8 PM.


He's likely not, but I am...more or less. Legalize, or at least Decriminalize and tax the hell out of it. This has the added benefit of cutting the legs out from the criminals who gain massive profits because of it's illegal status. How many bootleggers stayed in the biz after prohibition was repealed?

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

mmaddog
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[el borracho]

****ing christians are annoying. If the rest of us have to put up with your obnoxious church bells and ridiculously large crosses you should be willing to put up with our smut shops. Seriously, quit telling people outside your membership what to do and we'd probably like you better. Well, I'd probably still think you were stupid for claiming to know and understand the desires of a god.

[sedated]

Hypocrisy cuts 2 ways.....

care to explain further?

Also....may I ask what your intense anger towards "religion" comes from?

hmmm, lets see...

the fact that if you don't agree, you are seen as inferior
many of them try to force their beliefs on the rest of us
it assumes humans are 'special', better than any other creature on earth
there's little need for it since modern science has disproven most of its beliefs
it's used to control in ignorant group of people to do what's best for society (according to that particular religious sect)
I don't believe in invisible men who create universes in a week

there's more, but I'm kinda drunk

[JohnnyV13]

Our sexual behavior is never merely a “private” matter. Human sexuality is deeply linked to issues of identity, fertility and new life. Our sexual behavior always has social implications because it directly or indirectly impacts others. Therefore it helps shape the wider culture.


Uh slag, from this thread I've picked up that you are 21 and have two children. That means you are young and have considerable responsibilities. You seem to be the kind of guy that has chosen to put your complete trust in the catholic church as a guide to your personal morality. I can understand this choice given your considerable challenges.

As a guy old enough to be your dad, (and very well educated in catholic theology and critical reasoning) I need to caution you about this kind of a blind spot in your critical thinking. You can't completely trust the catholic church. Rather than cite some of the age old historical positions taken by a clearly corrupt church, I point your attention to the above paragraph as an example.

This paragraph indicates some VERY dangerous and rather specious reasoning. Tell me, exactly, what acts DO NOT have either direct or indirect impacts on others? Consequently, EVERYTHING we do helps "shape the wider culture". Under this logic, almost ANY act is a matter that (by inference) should be addressed on a public level (most likely legislation aimed at stopping the behavior).

Buying into such logic is a tremendous "blank check" for religious sway over legislation. In essense, its a "power grab". Before you dismiss such assertions as hyperbole, I direct you to read the Supreme Court case Marbury vs. Madison. In it, Chief Justice John Marshall expresses a tangential opinion that the Judiciary should be able to review legislation to see if it passes constitutional muster, even though this point had no direct bearing on the case at hand. Years later, this offhand phrase became established in american jurisprudence as "judicial review", a tremendous power grab for the judiciary. I am not going to debate the value of judicial review except to point out how today's small grant of power can become tomorrow's political juggernaught in the hands of an organization with an interest in public influence.

(if you dispute the idea that the catholic church aspires toward such secular power, or the internal culture can change toward desiring such influence, I refer you to medieval history).

Bottom line: these sentances show an inclination toward grabbing secular power on part of the Church's heirarchy.

Lets look at the END of this paragrapsh for more disturbing language.


The only thing strange about his remarks was the theatrical wave of shock they generated from critics. In fact, with the good exception of Sen. Sam Brownback and some others, many members of Congress scrambled to criticize Gen. Pace — despite the moral beliefs of the people who elected them


Here the diocee seems to advocate the idea that the comments of a representative should reflect the moral values of the people that elected them. Sounds good on its face, but, what happens if those moral values are sadly out of whack? For example, would "good representation" during the 50's have required legislators to promote racist legislation?

Furthermore, can we ignore the "path to power" such a view of political representation implies for the Church? If the Church can rally its members to advocate its moral positions, the Church then believes its political representatives should then reflect those positions in its official statements and legislative positions. How then is this not a secular power grab by the Church?

I cannot help but notice these statements seem contrary to St. Augustine's City of God. In this work, St. Augustine contended that mankind cannot create the City of God on earth due to human falibility, and that even to ATTEMPT to do so would in fact damage mankind (due to the sin of hubris). Augustine believed that trying to create the city of god through secular power led to abuse. Instead, Augustine attempted to instruct Christians on how to be upstanding members of the "City of Man" while maintaining their primary allegiance to the "City of God" in the next world.

St Augustine understood that Jesus was in fact the original "separation of church and state" guy. In many ways, the Jewish culture of Jesus' time was a culture in crisis, because their religion was mixed up with secular power. When the Romans conquered them, the Jews did not know how they could maintain their relationship with God while following Rome's laws. Jesus stripped away the core of their relationship with God from the passages in the bible that related more to the practical necessities of administrating earthly government. Thus Jesus could say, "Give unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's" without conflict.

Consequently, with porn, Christians need to speak out about the problems it can cause, without succumbing to the temptation to use secular power to stop it. Such an attempt is an act of hubris, and can lead to an even more corrupt "City of Man".

[Delano]

Damn, since this thread was still in the lounge I figured it was filled with jokes and pictures.

I really didn't expect material fit for the political sub forum.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Yes Oral sex and Masturbation is Bad if it does not lead to ejaculation in the vagina..You're going to have to explain that one. I think the point of those is that they DON'T lead to ejaculation in the vagina. The wife and I tend to plan our kids, instead of having one every 10 months.

[Pitt Gorilla]

And the beauty of America is our collective ability to say 'so what?'

I think I'll start a movement to ban hamburgers because if cheapens the true beauty of a porterhouse with gorgonzolaUmmm, gorgonzola.

[Pitt Gorilla]

yet again

TOTALLY off Topic

The Catholic Church is very understanding to those disordered with homosexuality, heres a link

http://couragerc.netWhat if the church is wrong? I mean, they've been wrong in the past and admitted it. When will they admit that they are on the wrong side of the contraception debate?

[the Talking Can]

Yes Oral sex and Masturbation is Bad if it does not lead to ejaculation in the vagina..

wierdest post evar

...i typed this with one hand....

[JohnnyV13]

You're going to have to explain that one. I think the point of those is that they DON'T lead to ejaculation in the vagina. The wife and I tend to plan our kids, instead of having one every 10 months.


Pitt, he's citing the Catholic encyclical (Papal teaching) called Humanae Vitae. Unless you're a catholic, you probably don't even want to hear it.

The basic idea is marital sex is a spiritual experience and that using a condom damages the spirituality of marital sex. Thus, any act that willfully subverts the progenerative function of sex is sinful (that includes oral sex, sex with a condom, homosexual sex, and non-marital sex).

HV contends that using a condom during sex creates a "contempt for life" and says things like abortion, murder and capital punishment are consequences of using artificial birth control during marital sex.

Humanae Vitae then says that using "Natural Family Planning" does not wilfully violate the progenerative function of sex. Natural Family Planning means using biological knowledge about when a woman is fertile to avoid having sex during those times.

HV calls Natural Family planning "spacing" children rather than "birth control". It also distinguishes NFP from artificial birth control due to the fact it does not use any man made devices (e.g. its natural). Humanae Vitae says that using man-made contrivances in this fashion are a way of interefering with "God's will" to gift a married couple with children.

Baby Lee's comment about "proposing a ban on hamburgers" is a takeoff of this concept.

Note: i'm not saying i AGREE with this theology. In fact, my problems with Humanae Vitae are one of the big reasons why I'm not a "good" catholic. (The others being that I think the church is inherently sexist and by restricting their policy makers to celibate males they have a skewed view of sexual issues in general).

[Mosbonian]

Yet you are telling everybody on here that they are wrong for liking porn...



Just because Church and State are separate should not mean you guys get to be tax free.. Religion is a multi-billion dollar a year private business... My grandma's church raised close to 6million dollars in five years to build a new church that has not happened nor ever will(land has been sitting vacant for 3 years now)...

And every church I have had the unfortunate privilege sitting through in the northland has been the same way... Buy your way into heaven, donate so we can help others(ourselves)...

Bottom line is Religion is a business and should be taxed accordingly, hell if that happens just think how much money we could pump into all the local school districts.. (A 50% tax of whatever is raised by the church to go into the local areas school budget fund for education only) Would you or your church be against that? A tax on all money collected where 50% would go to charity or schools? You are trying to help others after all...

This post is so wrong and full of vitrol in so many ways.

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

I am glad the couple million dollars your corporation spent on charity the past year out of the billions raised is helping so much... I mean it is sad when an individual give more to charity in one year then your whole Corporation did in the US... I am glad your convinced that a few million dollars out of billions raised last year went to charity and therefor grants you a Tax-free pass...

But don't disgress even though your organization is going to waste Tax-payer money on a lawsuit over porn, all the pastors, preachers and priests will still get to fondel little choir boys to their hearts content without getting in trouble... We will just move them to another church or parish with a nice bonus...

How about all the Taxpayer money that is wasted on projects, lawsuits, and other frivilous things that our state and federal governments bring about?

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

****ing christians are annoying. If the rest of us have to put up with your obnoxious church bells and ridiculously large crosses you should be willing to put up with our smut shops. Seriously, quit telling people outside your membership what to do and we'd probably like you better. Well, I'd probably still think you were stupid for claiming to know and understand the desires of a god.

Since you are generalizing...how about I return the favor. Could I just generalize and say that all people who like pron are perverts and sexual deviates of the worst kind?

mmaddog
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[JohnnyV13]

What if the church is wrong? I mean, they've been wrong in the past and admitted it. When will they admit that they are on the wrong side of the contraception debate?


Pitt, I would be surprised if ANY of us live to see any change in this area. The current Pope stripped 400 high level catholic theologians who challenged the idea that the contraceptive theology was an "infallible doctrine". Note they weren't directly challenging the doctrine, just the mere fact that the contraception doctrine could not be questioned. Meaning, a "good" catholic cannot even CONSIDER that the church could be wrong in this area.

Historically, the catholic church has a real problem with ever admitting its wrong. For example, it took the church 500 years to admit it was wrong to excommunicate Galileo for saying that the earth was not the center of the universe.

THe Pope also issued an instruction manual on how to identify and try witches (including such reliable methods as trial by ordeal. One common method consisted of tying the accused to big log and throwing them in water. If they did not surface, the water "accepted" them and they were innocent (but in grave danger of drowning unless the triers of fact made a quick decision to fish them out), but if the water rejected them and they floated, they were guilty).

As far as I know, the church has not absolved witches tried and convicted by using this manual.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Since you are generalizing...how about I return the favor. Could I just generalize and say that all people who like pron are perverts and sexual deviates of the worst kind?

mmaddog
*******You just did.

[Mosbonian]

care to explain further?

Freedom of speech is OK as long as you agree with it....these people, right or wrong, have the right to ask that this be taken from their midst. If you don't agree.....then join those opposing them.


hmmm, lets see...

the fact that if you don't agree, you are seen as inferior
many of them try to force their beliefs on the rest of us
it assumes humans are 'special', better than any other creature on earth
there's little need for it since modern science has disproven most of its beliefs
it's used to control in ignorant group of people to do what's best for society (according to that particular religious sect)
I don't believe in invisible men who create universes in a week

there's more, but I'm kinda drunk


What church have you attended? Because the churches I have attended in my lifetime do none of the above. I am sorry if you have had bad experiences, but not all churches are like you insinuate.

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

You just did.

That was the gist of the post....did I miss explaining that was my intention?

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

You just did.

And might I add, it was meant with sarcasm.....the same kind I have for el borracho's comment about all Christians.

mmaddog
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[Pitt Gorilla]

Pitt, I would be surprised if ANY of us live to see any change in this area. The current Pope stripped 400 high level catholic theologians who challenged the idea that the contraceptive theology was an "infallible doctrine". Note they weren't directly challenging the doctrine, just the mere fact that the contraception doctrine could not be questioned. Meaning, a "good" catholic cannot even CONSIDER that the church could be wrong in this area.

Historically, the catholic church has a real problem with ever admitting its wrong. For example, it took the church 500 years to admit it was wrong to excommunicate Galileo for saying that the earth was not the center of the universe.

THe Pope also issued an instruction manual on how to identify and try witches (including such reliable methods as trial by ordeal. One common method consisted of tying the accused to big log and throwing them in water. If they did not surface, the water "accepted" them and they were innocent (but in grave danger of drowning unless the triers of fact made a quick decision to fish them out), but if the water rejected them and they floated, they were guilty).

As far as I know, the church has not absolved witches tried and convicted by using this manual.Good Lord. Unreal. Were some of these people retarded, perhaps? NTTIAWWT

[el borracho]

Since you are generalizing...how about I return the favor. Could I just generalize and say that all people who like pron are perverts and sexual deviates of the worst kind?

mmaddog
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At least they are quiet about it, ROFL.

[ClevelandBronco]

You wanna do something good? try stopping child porn, try stopping meth labs, try stopping the violence

Silly me, I thought that was your friggin' job, since all those things are against the law...

[ClevelandBronco]

Why are you trying to stop each individual person when they do not care about your opinion or your beliefs... It is not your job to tell these people that your religion condemns them, they don't give a ****...

The statement that I bolded is incorrect. (In the interest of full disclosure, I quoted only the fragment of Valiant's post that had anything to do with the discussion at hand.)

SLAG's most important job is outlined in the Gospel of Matthew: "Then Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.'"(NIV)

SLAG's translation of choice is probably not the NIV, but his mission is the same. It's popularly called "The Great Commission," and I assure you that it's the most important job we have.

Hey, we expect that some people won't care. We expect that some people will think that we are condemning them, but really, we are trying to lift people up above condemnation.

I know that sometimes we don't come off this way, but when we're at our best and acting in the Holy Spirit, we love each and every person in this world. (I know for sure that I don't have the power or the superior position to claim higher ground than anyone else.)

Please consider lightening up on us, Valiant. We really aren't trying to hurt you at all.

EDIT: "SLAG's," instead of "His." It was just easier to read that way.

[JohnnyV13]

Good Lord. Unreal. Were some of these people retarded, perhaps? NTTIAWWT

Actually, Pitt, the Church wasn't any worse than secular authority, to tell the truth. In fact, it was considerably better. This manual was put out in the 13th century (i believe). At the time, trial by ordeal was also used in England. In fact, trial by Jury replaced Trial by ordeal in English law, but the rest of the trial procedure changed very little.

On the other hand, the Church actually spoke out against "witch trials", until it abruptly reversed this policy and then issued a manual to instruct local authority on how to identify and try witches.

In fact, many English legal principles were heavily influenced by ecclesiastical law. English law used to be extremely formulaic, leaving no remedy outside very narrow boundries which could be extremely technical. English judges began using "equitable" principles to alleviate the arbitrary and formulaic nature of the law courts. If I recall my English legal history, the Equity courts drew their authority from the Chancery, and the crown often appointed a churchman to head the chancery (b/c the crown was were reluctant to give the post to a secular lord who might have dynastic reasons to favor certain policies). Consequently, many equitable doctrines were imported from church canon law, and the equity courts tended to bring more "justice" to law rather than legalism.

[acesn8s]

in the spirit of the nekkid carwash approval in australia .....



Anti-porn campaign launches KC attack

Group backed by churches asks six county prosecutors to call grand juries to investigate 32 businesses.

By JOHN SHULTZ and LAURA BAUER
The Kansas City Star


* Stores targeted by anti-porn campaign

Backed by scores of churches and religious groups, a Kansas anti-porn crusader is going after the area’s adult entertainment industry.

Leaders of those churches delivered petitions Thursday to courthouses in six area counties seeking grand jury investigations of 32 businesses for promotion of obscenity. They include strip clubs, sex shops and video rental stores.

“This is most certainly a Christian endeavor. This is basic to who we are,” said Phillip Cosby, head of the Kansas City chapter of the National Coalition for the Protection of Children & Families, the group behind the effort. “It is the very fabric of our culture that is being ripped apart by this sexualized culture.”

Cosby previously led campaigns against adult bookstores and sex shops in Saline and Dickinson counties in central Kansas, taking advantage of a little-known Kansas law that allows citizens to call for grand jury investigations. At least two businesses were indicted.

How successful Cosby’s efforts will be this time remains to be seen.

The petitions are likely to trigger grand jury investigations in Johnson and Wyandotte counties in Kansas. But Missouri has no means for the public to call for grand jury investigations, so it is less clear what will happen in Jackson, Clay, Platte and Cass counties.

The prosecutors from those four counties issued a joint statement Thursday say they are alerting businesses to be aware of the state’s obscenity law.

A copy of one letter the Jackson County prosecutor’s office sent to Bazooka’s in Kansas City does little more than spell out Missouri’s obscenity law, which ties the definition of obscenity to “contemporary community standards” — standards decided by juries.

Dick Bryant, a lawyer who has represented local adult businesses in obscenity cases, said area authorities had hewn fairly close to standards set in a failed attempt to prosecute Johnson County’s adult industry in the 1980s. Bryant said he didn’t foresee charges from this new campaign.

“From a community tolerance level, there’s probably more acceptance of adult materials since that time,” he said.

A contingent of the supporting church groups met privately Thursday with Jackson County Prosecutor Jim Kanatzar. Howard Cordell, pastor of Faith Covenant Church in Blue Springs, said Kanatzar told the group that there was little he could do to bring charges but that he was exploring avenues.

“We feel that he’s sensitive to the issue,” Cordell said.

Kanatzar declined to talk with reporters.

Cosby said he was aware of the Missouri limitations, but he wanted to alert elected officials to the church leaders’ concerns.

“Let’s engage the culture and ask a question,” Cosby said. “Let’s pick a fight.”

Cosby has spent the past year preaching his group’s view that pornography ruins families, and that adult entertainment businesses lower property values and increase the rates of crime and sexually transmitted diseases.

His goal was to get enough signatures in Wyandotte and Johnson counties to seat a grand jury. To do that, citizens must gather signatures of registered voters based on a formula tied to turnout in the preceding election for governor.

In this case, the group needed 770 signatures in Wyandotte County and 3,863 in Johnson to take aim at eight businesses in those counties, Cosby said. They ended up with significantly more signatures in each, he said.

The group also surpassed its own Missouri goals, netting about 8,200 signatures in Jackson County, home to the majority of its targets.

Bonner Springs Baptist Church has about 100 members. Forty-five signed the petition. Not bad, said pastor Bud Jones, since much of the congregation is not registered or too young to vote.

“As we see in our society more child abuse and more activities on the Internet, there comes a time where we say, ‘That’s enough,’ ” Jones said.

Once Kansas grand juries are seated, district attorneys oversee the process.

“It’s kind of a passive role,” said Brian Burgess, spokesman for Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline. “The D.A. simply acts as a facilitator.”

Some pastors say that though their congregations have been concerned about how pornography poisons a community, Cosby provided the spark that got churches organized.

“Phil has been the catalyst that brings us all together,” said the Rev. James Conard, assistant pastor of First Baptist Church in Shawnee.

“Usually that’s what it takes, one person to lead the charge. … If you’re going to do something, might as well do it in a big way.

“If we had our way, pornography would be illegal.”

The targets

Jackson County

After Dark Video, 8801 E. Truman Road, Kansas City
After Dark Video, 9400 S. Missouri 7, Lee’s Summit
Bazooka’s, 1717 Main St., Kansas City
Erotic City, 8401 E. Truman Road, Kansas City
Family Video, 301 N.E. Todd George Road, Lee’s Summit
Naughty But Nice, 3821 Main St., Kansas City
Naughty But Nice, 8116 South U.S. 71, Kansas City
Naughty But Nice, 891 East U.S. 40, Kansas City
Priscilla’s, 1130 S.W. Missouri 7, Blue Springs
Priscilla’s, 7236 Wornall Road, Kansas City
Priscilla’s, 312 S.E. Missouri 291, Lee’s Summit
Ray’s Over 21, 3710 Independence Ave., Kansas City
Roscoe Video, 11720 E. 23rd St., Independence
SRO Video Store, 402 E. Gregory Blvd., Kansas City
Strand Theatre, 3544 Troost Ave., Kansas City
Video Discount Warehouse, 8021 Prospect Ave., Kansas City
Video Escape, 12121 Blue Ridge Blvd., Grandview
Video Mania, 208 Westport Road, Kansas City
World Wide Video, 1142 E. Meyer Blvd., Kansas City
World Wide Video, 5600 E. Bannister Road, Kansas City

Platte County
World’s Liquor, 8180 N.W. Prairie View Road, Kansas City
Clay County
Priscilla’s, 916 S. Missouri 291, Liberty
Priscilla’s, 6100 N. Oak Trafficway, Kansas City

Cass County
Priscilla’s, 8028 E. 171st St., Belton

Johnson County
Gringo Loco, 905 S. Parker St., Olathe
Hollywood at Home, 9062 Metcalf Ave., Overland Park
Movie Gallery, 117 S. Parker St., Olathe
Priscilla’s, 1848 E. Santa Fe St., Olathe
Video Library, 12831 W. 87th St. Parkway, Lenexa

Wyandotte County
Naughty But Nice, 5053 State Ave., Kansas City, Kan.
Priscilla’s, 4301 Rainbow Blvd., Kansas City, Kan.
Priscilla’s, 7258 State Ave., Kansas City, Kan.
Great! There went my idea of putting in a xxx-rated carwash. I guess I will have to stick with the doughnut shop next to the police station thing.:sulk:

[DenverChief]

Wow....a little bit of a reach for someone who normally has pretty reasonable responses. It's JMO, but porn IS pretty much "in your face" these days. And I have no problem with you watching it in the privacy of your home, but it doesn't just stay there.

And how many people do you stop on that same road who are speeding who aren't going to church?



Illegal drugs are a multi billion dollar industry....should we give it the same pass as you are suggesting that we give porn?




Here is where we agree......

mmaddog
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I don't agree that porn is in your face, at least here the stores are non descript and you have to pretty much know where one is to find them


Agreed there are MORE speeders not "going to church" I was merely pointing out the irony of the situation

Drugs and murder for hire are illegal pornography is not....apples and oranges

:)

[DenverChief]

Silly me, I thought that was your friggin' job, since all those things are against the law...


It is my job enforce the law it is up to the rest of us to make the penalties stiffer

[ChiefsFanatic]

I hate assholes who think they know how other people should live their lives.

[Adept Havelock]

Sorry, but regardless of whether it's on cable/satellite or free airwaves it's still porn. I'm not talking about PPV or pay movie channels (HBO,Cinemax, etc)...all you have to do to catch some of the "in your face" type of sexual displays is watch Cable TV after 8 PM.
*******

My point exactly. You pay to bring it into your home. Don't want to watch it? Don't want it in your face? Simple solution. Learn to use the TV Guide, the Remote, and if you must the V Chip installed in every TV in the last dozen or so years. Or if that's too complicated, don't pay to bring it into your house. :shrug:

You seem to be operating under the misapprehension that Cable TV is subject to the same rules as Broadcast TV. I see no reason that should be so.

When Jenna Jameson is doing her thing on Broadcast TV, well, there are already laws against that. We don't need any more legislation from the Govt. I, and others, are fully capable of deciding for ourselves what to watch. I don't kvetch because EWTN or the other Relgious channels are brought into my house. I just don't turn to them. Why can't these busybodies do the same?

[Bowser]

Sex is Instinct to procreate... that is the Human nature

if we cant get the real thing then no there is no need to find the closest substitute as there is no substitute.

By reverting to Porn, Maxim, Rape.. that shows the inability to have self control, it reveals a totally selfish attitude and that selfishness in sexuality is not Natural, as to adhere to the natural sexual nature of humans you would have to be completely selfless.

Holy shit.

[Brock]

When did slag turn into such a fundamentalist nut?

[irishjayhawk]

I think I'll take the side opposite religious believers, for obvious reasons.

Sedated - that was a pretty good list of reasons even if you were drunk. :)

SLAG - My question to you is: Why do you care what others do, in their own privacy?

mmaddog - I was just wondering, and it's off topic, why you don't think drugs should be legalized/decriminalized and taxed? EDIT: And, I guess on topic, why should Churches remain tax free?

[munkey]

Bottom line is Religion is a business and should be taxed accordingly, hell if that happens just think how much money we could pump into all the local school districts.. (A 50% tax of whatever is raised by the church to go into the local areas school budget fund for education only) Would you or your church be against that? A tax on all money collected where 50% would go to charity or schools? You are trying to help others after all...

Rep :clap:

[Mr. Laz]

SLAG - My question to you is: Why do you care what others do, in their own privacy?
because religion tells him to care .... at least modern religion.


they feel it's their obligation to stick their noses into everything to help "save us all"

[|Zach|]

I was going to read this thread but "Lawrence of a Lhabia" is way past due. I need to run to the movie store.

[Adept Havelock]

I was going to read this thread but "Lawrence of a Lhabia" is way past due. I need to run to the movie store.


That was a great one, but it showed me a side of Peter O' Tool I'd rather not have seen.

[munkey]

When did slag turn into such a fundamentalist nut?


No kidding....

[irishjayhawk]

because religion tells him to care .... at least modern religion.


they feel it's their obligation to stick their noses into everything to help "save us all"

Maybe I should take the Church of FSM and go stick my business in their lives. See how they like it? :p


Wait.... that takes effort.

[jidar]

Just another reason religion sucks.

Also, Slag is a ****ing retard.

[Mr. Laz]

Maybe I should take the Church of FSM and go stick my business in their lives. See how they like it? :p


Wait.... that takes effort.
http://www.reasonablyclever.com/lego/fsm/images/titlecard.jpg

[GoTrav]

revised list

The targets

Chiefs Planet

Pictures forum
Mecca's "bouncy" jpg thread

Jackson County

After Dark Video, 8801 E. Truman Road, Kansas City
After Dark Video, 9400 S. Missouri 7, Lee’s Summit
Bazooka’s, 1717 Main St., Kansas City
Erotic City, 8401 E. Truman Road, Kansas City
Family Video, 301 N.E. Todd George Road, Lee’s Summit
Naughty But Nice, 3821 Main St., Kansas City
Naughty But Nice, 8116 South U.S. 71, Kansas City
Naughty But Nice, 891 East U.S. 40, Kansas City
Priscilla’s, 1130 S.W. Missouri 7, Blue Springs
Priscilla’s, 7236 Wornall Road, Kansas City
Priscilla’s, 312 S.E. Missouri 291, Lee’s Summit
Ray’s Over 21, 3710 Independence Ave., Kansas City
Roscoe Video, 11720 E. 23rd St., Independence
SRO Video Store, 402 E. Gregory Blvd., Kansas City
Strand Theatre, 3544 Troost Ave., Kansas City
Video Discount Warehouse, 8021 Prospect Ave., Kansas City
Video Escape, 12121 Blue Ridge Blvd., Grandview
Video Mania, 208 Westport Road, Kansas City
World Wide Video, 1142 E. Meyer Blvd., Kansas City
World Wide Video, 5600 E. Bannister Road, Kansas City

Platte County
World’s Liquor, 8180 N.W. Prairie View Road, Kansas City
Clay County
Priscilla’s, 916 S. Missouri 291, Liberty
Priscilla’s, 6100 N. Oak Trafficway, Kansas City

Cass County
Priscilla’s, 8028 E. 171st St., Belton

Johnson County
Gringo Loco, 905 S. Parker St., Olathe
Hollywood at Home, 9062 Metcalf Ave., Overland Park
Movie Gallery, 117 S. Parker St., Olathe
Priscilla’s, 1848 E. Santa Fe St., Olathe
Video Library, 12831 W. 87th St. Parkway, Lenexa

Wyandotte County
Naughty But Nice, 5053 State Ave., Kansas City, Kan.
Priscilla’s, 4301 Rainbow Blvd., Kansas City, Kan.
Priscilla’s, 7258 State Ave., Kansas City, Kan.

[Mr. Laz]

I was going to read this thread but "Lawrence of a Lhabia" is way past due. I need to run to the movie store.
sinner!!



http://www.buyolympia.com/combined/images/stella_hell_lg.jpg

[Adept Havelock]

http://www.reasonablyclever.com/lego/fsm/images/titlecard.jpg

Heh.

.

[keg in kc]

It's pretty simple.

If you're Christian or Pagan or Muslim or SlimJim and you feel that porn is wrong, then....don't f*cking participate in it.

And then try to find the moral strength to grant the rest of us the simple right, respect and opportunity that we grant you, that being to live your life the way your moral code tells you to do it. To have a choice in life.

In other words, life your life the way you want, keep your butt out of mine, and I'll gladly do the same for you.

[C-Mac]

For someone to think that hardcore pornography is totally harmless is someone not understanding all that encompases pornograhy and or the pornography business. Without a doubt pornography promotes selfish, greedy attitudes and teaches people to view others as objects. For example you can investigate countless sex crimes and find most have hardcore pornography as a common denominator. I'm not suggesting that you will become involved in a sex crime if you view it, but on the same token you simply cannot deny it can feed harmful desires. I'm not going to parade around and get politically involved in trying to divert pornography nor will I tell people they are wrong for viewing it, but I wont sit back and let someone try to convince me that hardcore pornography is totally harmless. If you have ever seen the movie "Hardcore" with George C Scott, you could also understand the other side of pornography. Perhaps I'm wrong but I would guess that most fathers here that truly love their daughter, would prefer that their child not get involved in hardcore pornography nor stripping naked in front of a bunch of strange horny men. So why is that if its so harmless?

[Mosbonian]

My point exactly. You pay to bring it into your home. Don't want to watch it? Don't want it in your face? Simple solution. Learn to use the TV Guide, the Remote, and if you must the V Chip installed in every TV in the last dozen or so years. Or if that's too complicated, don't pay to bring it into your house. :shrug:

You seem to be operating under the misapprehension that Cable TV is subject to the same rules as Broadcast TV. I see no reason that should be so.

When Jenna Jameson is doing her thing on Broadcast TV, well, there are already laws against that. We don't need any more legislation from the Govt. I, and others, are fully capable of deciding for ourselves what to watch. I don't kvetch because EWTN or the other Relgious channels are brought into my house. I just don't turn to them. Why can't these busybodies do the same?

Adept:

I am under no misapprehension at all.....I am well aware that Cable TV is not subject to the same set of rules as Broadcast TV. But that doesn't mean I have to like or agree that seeing the "in your face" stuff is OK, just like you have the right to have it there.

mmaddog
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[Mosbonian]

mmaddog - I was just wondering, and it's off topic, why you don't think drugs should be legalized/decriminalized and taxed? EDIT: And, I guess on topic, why should Churches remain tax free?

It's my opinion that we wouldn't be able to handle what will happen if we legalize drugs.....I think we kid ourselves if we believe legalizing drugs is going to cure the ills that it brings by being illegal.

mmaddog
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[Sam Hall]

:hmmm:

[Pitt Gorilla]

For someone to think that hardcore pornography is totally harmless is someone not understanding all that encompases pornograhy and or the pornography business. Without a doubt pornography promotes selfish, greedy attitudes and teaches people to view others as objects. For example you can investigate countless sex crimes and find most have hardcore pornography as a common denominator. I'm not suggesting that you will become involved in a sex crime if you view it, but on the same token you simply cannot deny it can feed harmful desires. Have you ever heard of a spurious correlation?

Wearing bigger shoes seems to be correlated with higher field goal percentage in basketball. If I want to shoot better, I can simply wear bigger shoes!!

[keg in kc]

But that doesn't mean I have to like or agree that seeing the "in your face" stuff is OK, just like you have the right to have it there.The difference is that there should be a choice. People should be allowed to decide what is appropriate for their own viewing. There's a word for individuals deciding that nobody else should watch something because they, the individuals don't like it. Censorship.

Speaking theoretically for a moment, let's turn the tables and imagine that a group of people bands together, to begin a broad campaign to remove all Christian programming from the airwaves, because they think the message is harmful or inappropriate. They decide that Sunday morning church services, or Christian themed news programs are highly offensive, not to mention embarrasingly produced, and shouldn't be allowed over the public airwaves. Or, along the same lines, let's say that someone starts a campaign to close all Christian bookstores, because they find them unpalatable in some way.

Would that kind of censorship be appropriate?

(My answer is of course 'no'.)

[Adept Havelock]

Have you ever heard of a spurious correlation?

Wearing bigger shoes seems to be correlated with higher field goal percentage in basketball. If I want to shoot better, I can simply wear bigger shoes!!

:clap:

Blame Porn? Why not.....
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[Baby Lee]

The difference is that there should be a choice. People should be allowed to decide what is appropriate for their own viewing. There's a word for individuals deciding that nobody else should watch something because they, the individuals don't like it. Censorship.

ROFL ROFL -

CHAIRMAN: Got a name for people like you, Hi. That name is called recidivism.
SECOND MAN: Ree-peat 0-fender.
CHAIRMAN: Not a pretty name, is it, Hi?
HI: No Sir, it sure ain't. That's one bonehead name. But that ain't me anymore.

If you're looking for a word for individuals such as you describe, it'd be censors.

[keg in kc]

I didn't say "word for 'individuals'", I said "word for 'individuals deciding'", emphasis on 'deciding'. In other words, I was describing the act, rather than the perpetrators of said act.

Yes I could have worded that better. In any event...thanks for playing.

[C-Mac]

Have you ever heard of a spurious correlation?


Sure have, too bad it doesnt apply.
For example. How would it affect a heart patient thats on a strict diet, to sit all day and look at quality high resolution pictures of wonderfully prepared rich foods and deserts or go to a huge buffet with the same foods put them on his plate, but just sit in front of him to look at and smell. Sure there are who some can do it and not be tempted but many would fall to temptation and eat foods they know they shouldnt simply because of the induced enviroment. Therefore the two factors or variables still would have real casual correlation. Again, do a little research and you find that hardcore porn fuels flames on some people who shouldnt have their flames fueled. You can close your eyes and believe that pornography or the promoted sex you see everywhere you turn has no correlation what-so-ever with the dramatic rise in sex crimes....but your only fooling yourself. You can look at all the porn you want, thats your business. Just dont try to convince me that its totally harmless and that there is no real correlation to some of the problems in our society.

[GoTrav]

hardcore porn

what's your definition of hardcore pr0n?

[C-Mac]

what's your definition of hardcore pr0n?

Same as everyones I would assume?

[Baby Lee]

I didn't say "word for 'individuals'", I said "word for 'individuals deciding'", emphasis on 'deciding'. In other words, I was describing the act, rather than the perpetrators of said act.

Yes I could have worded that better. In any event...thanks for playing.
Your post reminded me of a funny movie line. Sorry that upset you.

[keg in kc]

Your post reminded me of a funny movie line. Sorry that upset you.If I'd been upset, there'd have been blood. Or yelling. Or something. Some verbal pornography at least.

[Demonpenz]

porn is not morally right. Which is probably why I love it so much

[Mosbonian]

The difference is that there should be a choice. People should be allowed to decide what is appropriate for their own viewing. There's a word for individuals deciding that nobody else should watch something because they, the individuals don't like it. Censorship.

Speaking theoretically for a moment, let's turn the tables and imagine that a group of people bands together, to begin a broad campaign to remove all Christian programming from the airwaves, because they think the message is harmful or inappropriate. They decide that Sunday morning church services, or Christian themed news programs are highly offensive, not to mention embarrasingly produced, and shouldn't be allowed over the public airwaves. Or, along the same lines, let's say that someone starts a campaign to close all Christian bookstores, because they find them unpalatable in some way.

Would that kind of censorship be appropriate?

(My answer is of course 'no'.)

While you may find this my stance odd......I would have no problem with all Christian programming being taken off the airwaves....why? Because most of the "christian" programming that is there is more about self-promotion rather than the true message that should be taught.

mmaddog
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[SLAG]

Ok Everyone, heres the deal,

On threads dealing with Moral Issues such as abortion, Homosexuality, Abortion etc... I will present the Traditional Catholic View... Period..I support the Catholic Church's on everything. Nothing do I falter on..or disagree with.

On other threads I will speak of Poop.. or chiefs... I mean its chiefsplanet...

When did you turn fundamental Crazy, Nutjob, Become Religious etc..?

Always have been...maybe somewhere along the line I did stray from path, this lenten season brought me back 110% to where my heart always has been.

Once again I do NOT push my faith on you, but On threads dealing with Moral issues I will speak the Catholic position

[irishjayhawk]

Ok Everyone, heres the deal,

On threads dealing with Moral Issues such as abortion, Homosexuality, Abortion etc... I will present the Traditional Catholic View... Period..I support the Catholic Church's on everything. Nothing do I falter on..or disagree with.

On other threads I will speak of Poop.. or chiefs... I mean its chiefsplanet...



Always have been...maybe somewhere along the line I did stray from path, this lenten season brought me back 110% to where my heart always has been.

Once again I do NOT push my faith on you, but On threads dealing with Moral issues I will speak the Catholic position

My condolences.