L.A. Chieffan
07-11-2007, 07:28 PM
Chiefs still pretty much down at the bottom even with Bowe. I guess picking him didn't really help.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2932618
My bad if repost
L.A. Chieffan
07-11-2007, 07:30 PM
and I don't know if you guys saw the one on QB's that came out on Monday. Dead last.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2930258
Tribal Warfare
07-11-2007, 07:32 PM
Could you post 11-32, because it shows 1-10 but the website asks for verification beyond that
L.A. Chieffan
07-11-2007, 07:38 PM
Hmm works for me.
Here's the copy and paste:
11. N.Y. Giants
Much like the rest of the team, this is a wildly inconsistent unit that can blow up with big games or go in the tank when the chips are down. Eli Manning's accuracy leaves a lot to be desired and that cannot be overlooked. Plaxico Burress' skills jump off the film at you, but he's too inconsistent to be considered one of the top wideouts in the game. Amani Toomer is on his last legs, but still could provide a reliable possession target in 2007. Between youngsters Sinorice Moss and Steve Smith, the Giants should have Toomer's heir. Moss is undersized and many were quick to write him off during his rookie season, but he has the potential to be lightning in a bottle. Smith is less dynamic, but probably will be the guy Manning can count on, even as a very young player.
12. New Orleans Saints
The Saints' wide receiver group was very impressive last season, but they lost veteran Joe Horn. Horn will be replaced by first-round selection Robert Meachem. This is a very young group overall and 2006 rookie phenom Marques Colston will be leaned upon very heavily. Is he up to the challenge of performing with a bull's-eye on his chest as the No. 1 option? We have our doubts. He is a big, strong guy with glue hands, but he isn't very explosive. Devery Henderson and Meachem are both excellent speed guys who will stretch the field and open up the shorter throws for the other Saints' pass-catchers. Young receivers are risky, but this group will benefit from Drew Brees' outstanding accuracy, Reggie Bush's playmaking ability and Sean Payton's offensive scheme and play-calling.
13. Seattle Seahawks
Darrell Jackson is now in San Francisco, so Seattle will rely on Deion Branch a great deal, especially with the lack of playmakers at tight end. Branch is a smaller option who is tough, reliable and very quick. He is a fine second wide receiver, but doesn't have the ideal makeup to be a No. 1. Opposite Branch, the Seahawks will line up D.J. Hackett, whom many fans are not yet familiar with. Hackett is under the radar, but has all the tools to be a very good player. He is big, tough, can get deep and has been very productive in limited opportunities. Keep an eye on him. Nate Burleson or Bobby Engram will handle the No. 3 receiver role, while the other provides very solid depth. The expectations for Burleson were obviously too high this time last year, but he has a chance to rebound. Engram should be dependable in clutch situations.
14. Miami Dolphins
Although Chris Chambers is one of the most overrated players in the league, this is not a bad group from top to bottom. Miami surprised many people by drafting Ted Ginn Jr. with the ninth pick in the 2007 draft, but if he can get back to full health (he's recovering from a sprained foot), Ginn is an extremely dangerous player, both on offense and as a returner. His receiving skills are very raw and he drops too many passes, but he has world-class speed that translates to the football field very well. Expect him to be used on a lot of reverses and quick hitches to go along with deep streak routes, where he has the potential to just blow by most starting cornerbacks. Chambers certainly is talented, but needs to be a more consistent producer. Marty Booker is declining, but is still a solid player, even though he offers little big-play ability. Derek Hagan could surprise in his second season.
15. N.Y. Jets
Laveranues Coles is a big-time competitor who put together a very impressive 2006 season. Chad Pennington relies on Coles and Coles delivers. He is a street fighter who wants to win and can be effective in the short and intermediate areas. That being said, he isn't the ideal No. 1 guy. He isn't as explosive as he once was and doesn't get into the end zone with regularity. Opposite Coles, Jerricho Cotchery made a name for himself last season and could build on that. He's now considered a solid No. 2 wideout and New York is set with its starting tandem. There isn't much depth behind these two, however, and an injury to either starter could hurt this offense. This is not a big-play group.
16. Carolina Panthers
Keyshawn Johnson is out. Fellow USC alum Dwayne Jarrett is in. One thing that remains constant though is Steve Smith, who is clearly one of the elite playmakers in the league. Although he isn't big, Smith is pure electricity with uncanny body control and competitiveness. Smith plays big. He exploits double and sometimes triple coverage. But the Panthers need someone to step up on the other side. Someone must emerge from the trio of Jarrett, Drew Carter and Keary Colbert. Jarrett was extremely productive in a big-time college program, but he isn't very fast and needs a lot of work getting off the jam to excel at this level. Carter has a rare blend of size and long speed, but the finer points of his game need work. Colbert lacks the explosion needed to excel and has not transitioned to the NFL all that well. Smith should expect even more coverage in his direction.
17. Philadelphia Eagles
Although Philadelphia lost Donte' Stallworth to free agency, the Eagles amply replaced him with another speed merchant in Kevin Curtis. The former Ram is ready to be a No. 2 wideout and should excel in Andy Reid's receiver-friendly scheme. He is very intelligent and should fit in well in Philadelphia. Reggie Brown has shown signs of becoming a playmaker, but he is not yet a legit No. 1 option -- although we feel he might warrant that distinction very soon. The depth behind these two players is very young and an injury to either starter would be a concern.
18. Chicago Bears
Bernard Berrian exceeded all expectations last year and became a very dangerous deep threat. He isn't real strong or physical, but he can fly and that deep speed can change a game very quickly. He is a bit of a one-trick pony, though, and needs to further refine his skills. Muhsin Muhammad is a big, strong veteran who isn't real dynamic, but is a solid possession option. Neither Berrien nor Muhammad should be considered a true No. 1 wideout. The Bears have a wild card in Mark Bradley. Bradley has had a very difficult time overcoming injuries, but if he can stay healthy and gain some valuable game experience, he has a chance to develop into the Bears' best wide receiver.
19. Cleveland Browns
Braylon Edwards has the makings of a big-time receiver, but he hasn't gotten a ton of help from Cleveland's quarterbacks and he needs to work much harder on taking his game to the next level. He is certainly capable. He is not a burner, but he is big with good ball skills and strength. Opposite Edwards is another big receiver in Joe Jurevicius. Jurevicius is an adequate, yet unspectacular, No. 2 wideout and should provide some much-needed reliability and consistency to Cleveland's passing game if he can stay healthy. For depth, the Browns have three intriguing players in Joshua Cribbs, a converted quarterback who is an exceptional special teams player and returner, Travis Wilson, a big, talented young receiver, and Tim Carter, whom the Browns picked up from the Giants in the Reuben Droughns trade. If one of these three makes great strides, the Browns' pass-catchers could be formidable.
20. Atlanta Falcons
There is talent here, but the production has been poor. Tight end Alge Crumpler is the top option for Michael Vick, and that limits the wide receiver production in this offense. Vick's accuracy issues are also to blame, but the Falcons' wideouts have simply not played well or made Vick's job any easier. Michael Jenkins has deep speed and is very tall, but needs to use those abilities more proficiently. Roddy White could rebound from a very disappointing 2006 season. He has the tools you are looking for in a starter at the position. Atlanta will be without Brian Finneran due to another serious injury, but adding Joe Horn in free agency should pay dividends both on and off the field. He should be a positive role model for Jenkins and White.
21. Buffalo Bills
Lee Evans has not had a big-time quarterback or supporting cast around him, but there are few wide receivers in this guy's class when it comes to going deep. He is instant electricity and is capable of changing a game quickly. Somewhat quietly, Evans has become one of the top dozen or so wide receivers in the game today and he should improve. Unfortunately for Evans and the Bills, there is little around this budding superstar. The Bills absolutely need to get more from their other pass-catchers, but Evans is good enough to excel even when opposing defenses are keying on him.
22. Washington Redskins
Obviously, the Redskins did not get their money's worth with the acquisitions of Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd. They envisioned a dangerous three-receiver attack with these two and Santana Moss. The truth of the matter is that they still have one excellent wideout in Moss and two players who are much better suited as No. 3 receivers. Moss is small, but he is extremely dangerous when healthy. He can turn a hitch route into a 70-yard touchdown in the blink of an eye and can challenge any secondary deep. The Redskins' quarterback output has been subpar and we expect Jason Campbell to be much improved this season, but they simply have to get more from Randle El and Lloyd.
23. San Diego Chargers
The Chargers recognized their weakness at wide receiver and were aggressive in their selection of Craig Davis in the first round of this year's draft. Davis brings something that this great offense was lacking -- speed on the edge. Obviously, Antonio Gates is the featured receiver in San Diego's offense. But Davis' deep speed will force defenses to stay honest, which should open up room for both Gates in the middle of the field and for LaDainian Tomlinson in the run game. Eric Parker has great hands and good quickness. He will play a valuable role and should begin the season as a starter. The Chargers have a rare bird in Vincent Jackson, who is a massive wideout with impressive physical tools. This could be his breakout season. Jackson has become an effective blocker as well and can be key in springing Tomlinson on long runs. Keenan McCardell's stay in San Diego is over and this is now a young group on the rise.
24. Jacksonville Jaguars
The Jaguars added Dennis Northcutt in free agency. They overpaid for his services, but he should give them a decent slot receiver and punt returner. He isn't much of a big-play guy and isn't overly reliable, but he is a veteran and quick. Ernest Wilford probably will be reduced to the No. 4 receiver. He is big and strong with some red-zone abilities, but lacks the quickness or speed to separate. Jacksonville's pair of first-rounders, Matt Jones and Reggie Williams, both showed flashes of promise last year, but much more is required if the Jaguars are going to mount a formidable passing attack. Both players, Jones in particular, have a lot of upside and need to take the next step in their development. Jones has the abilities to be a serious mismatch with his rare combination of speed and size, but he hasn't played the position enough to develop properly. Someone really needs to step up in this group.
25. San Francisco 49ers
The 49ers' wide receiving corps will have a much different look this year, but it might not be much of an improvement. Ashley Lelie can't be counted on, but his talent-- especially his ability to threaten a defense deep -- is apparent. San Francisco also traded for Darrell Jackson from the Seahawks. Seattle apparently was not too worried about dealing Jackson to a divisional rival and got only a fourth-round pick in return. This is because Jackson lacks toughness and is not the most reliable guy around. He does have big-play ability, though. Arnaz Battle will play a big role this season and San Francisco also drafted Jason Hill, who could be a surprise rookie producer. Overall, this group isn't special and Alex Smith will surely be looking to TE Vernon Davis more than last year in the passing game.
26. Houston Texans
This low ranking is not an indictment on Andre Johnson in any way. He is a great player who is stuck in a very bad situation. He will continue to draw extra coverage in every game he plays as the Texans really don't have much else. Johnson, who led the league in receptions last season, is the total package and is just beginning to come into his own. Eric Moulds is gone, and although he was far from outstanding, he at least had some pedigree. Houston drafted Jacoby Jones in the third round and unless he totally self destructs, he will be thrust into early playing time. That is asking an awful lot from a rookie from Lane College. Jerome Mathis, when healthy, is an ultra-fast deep threat. But he hasn't developed his other receiving skills to this point. Kevin Walter is a solid player, but not someone you want to build your passing game around.
27. Oakland Raiders
The Raiders passed on Calvin Johnson in the draft and dealt Randy Moss to the Patriots. Without those two immensely talented receivers, they still could get adequate production from their current stable of receivers. Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry will start. Neither can be considered reliable, but both are capable of being very productive. Curry just needs to stay healthy. The Raiders took a chance on draft day by trading for former USC star Mike Williams, who be reunited with former Trojans assistant Lane Kiffin -- now the Raiders head coach. Williams was a very high draft pick by the Lions for a reason -- he is massive and was a matchup nightmare in college -- but he did little to speak of in Detroit. Doug Gabriel, Travis Taylor, Alvis Whitted, Johnnie Morant and rookie Johnnie Lee Higgins provide good depth, but there probably isn't enough room on the roster to keep all of them. There is a lot of uncertainty with this group.
28. Green Bay Packers
You gotta love Donald Driver. He is just rock solid. Driver would not be the star at a combine, but he makes play after play every week. Unfortunately, he is the only player on this roster who Brett Favre can completely rely on. Greg Jennings burst onto the scene as a rookie, but quickly fizzled out and struggled with injuries as the grind of the NFL season took its toll. Robert Ferguson has tools to work with, but has not developed as hoped. The Packers selected James Jones in this year's draft. Jones will be counted on to push for the No. 3 receiver spot. Outside of Driver, who is getting up in age, the Packers lack real weapons at wide receiver.
29. Kansas City Chiefs
With tight end Tony Gonzalez as their top receiving target, the Chiefs have gotten by with Eddie Kennison as their No. 1 wide receiver. But he simply is not good enough for such a role. Kansas City finally addressed this problem by selecting Dwayne Bowe in this year's draft. Although he might never be a true No. 1 receiver, Bowe is super tough, big and strong. He will help the running game and should quickly become a starter. Samie Parker has not developed into a quality starter, but should be adequate out of the slot in subpackages. Bowe has promise, but overall, there isn't a lot to get excited about here.
30. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Joey Galloway is an excellent receiver who seems to be defying time, but the poor guy needs more help around him. He still has supreme speed and the ability to make a lot of big plays. Michael Clayton's career has plummeted since his impressive rookie campaign. He absolutely must regain that level of play if Tampa Bay is going to be able to throw the ball with any consistency. Maurice Stovall is big and can create mismatches in the red zone, but overall, there is very little to get excited about with the Buccaneers' receivers outside of Galloway. On the bright side, Tampa Bay's offensive line should be improved, which should help the passing game quite a bit.
31. Tennessee Titans
It was a tough call picking the worst group of receivers in the league between the Vikings and Titans. Tennessee lost Drew Bennett to free agency and that could really sting. The Titans signed David Givens before last season and his knee injury puts his ability to contribute still in jeopardy. They could use Givens in a big way, as he would provide a decent safety valve for Vince Young. Rookie Paul Williams is very inconsistent, but he was a nice risk for this team to take and he has a chance to surprise. Brandon Jones will see plenty of passes. He is physical and catches everything thrown his way. Tennessee has not done its young quarterback any favors with this group of targets.
32. Minnesota Vikings
This is the worst group of wide receivers in the league and there is a good chance that Minnesota's passing game will be awful this season. Troy Williamson has been a bust since entering the league, but he has a chance to rebound in this system and live up to his vast potential -- if he can catch the football. There is a lot to like about his ability, though. The Vikings signed Bobby Wade, who should start opposite Williamson. He is not starting material. Sidney Rice, Minnesota's second-round pick, is a good-looking prospect, but should not be counted on to be a major contributor in his rookie season -- although he might have to be to save this group.
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Chan93lx50
07-11-2007, 09:31 PM
That's bullshit. Bowe will never be a true #1? **** that.
Well In reality we really will not know if Bowe will ever be a True #1 until he plays. Just because he is a 1st round draft pick don't mean sh*t. He could end up being another Sylvester Morris.
I am keeping my fingers cross and hoping Bowe pans out!
kcchiefsus
07-11-2007, 09:35 PM
Well In reality we really will not know if Bowe will ever be a True #1 until he plays. Just because he is a 1st round draft pick don't mean sh*t. He could end up being another Sylvester Morris.
I am keeping my fingers cross and hoping Bowe pans out!
I just love how they are in love with the Craig Davis draft pick while they say Bowe will never be a true #1. Davis is the one that was the reach, not Bowe. Bowe was a playmaker in college. Bowe has elite measurables. Do they think his lack of speed is going to hold him back? Maybe they should see what a lack of speed did to Jerry Rice, Rod Smith, Terrell Owens, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald. Boldin ran a 4.71 at the combine. Fitzgerald ran a 4.63. Both are much slower than Bowe yet both are some of the best wide receivers in the NFL. What a concept.
When they ranked our QB situation last I instantly stopped respecting their work.
Gravedigger
07-11-2007, 11:16 PM
I just love how they are in love with the Craig Davis draft pick while they say Bowe will never be a true #1. Davis is the one that was the reach, not Bowe. Bowe was a playmaker in college. Bowe has elite measurables. Do they think his lack of speed is going to hold him back? Maybe they should see what a lack of speed did to Jerry Rice, Rod Smith, Terrell Owens, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald. Boldin ran a 4.71 at the combine. Fitzgerald ran a 4.63. Both are much slower than Bowe yet both are some of the best wide receivers in the NFL. What a concept.
When they ranked our QB situation last I instantly stopped respecting their work.
It's the rich get richer principal. Oh so your star defensive player took roids? We'll look past that hey who hasn't done em nowadays! Oh you had the best record in professional football last season? Let us get down on our knees. The patriots beat you fair and square in the playoffs? They cheated we'll call it a mulligan. All the draft experts on draft day said Craig Davis was a bad pick for San Diego at that spot? What do they know just because we employ them doesnt mean we have to agree with their professional opinion I mean for god sakes you are the Chargers! Oh yeah LT can we have your autograph?
Mecca
07-11-2007, 11:58 PM
The Chiefs deserved to be ranked at the bottom in QB and WR till those players prove something.....simple as that. When you don't have any prime players, young guys who are unproven and old guys who will start to decline sooner rather than latter you aren't going to get a great ranking.
They don't exactly have San Diego ranked good at WR either.
RealSNR
07-12-2007, 12:11 AM
God forbid ESPN give us a low ranking just because we have Kennison, a first-round rookie WR, and a bunch of unprovens and never-wills. Can anyone honestly say we're in a better position at WR than Detroit? Baltimore? How about San Francisco?
I've got a lot of faith in the guys we have. It's part of being a fan, believing that the guys on your team will get the job done. But they all have to prove it, otherwise you've got lunkheads like Samie Parker running about.
ClevelandBronco
07-12-2007, 01:17 AM
Well In reality we really will not know if Bowe will ever be a True #1 until he plays. Just because he is a 1st round draft pick don't mean sh*t. He could end up being another Sylvester Morris...
Ashley Lelie...
CoMoChief
07-12-2007, 02:17 AM
Why would we be ranked higher???? Honestly I want someone here to really give an excuse of why we would be ranked higher at that position. We have had no credentials at that position for years now, and now that Kennison (considering he is our #1WR) isn't producing at that level anymore like he was the past few seasons you expect us to be ranked higher!?!?!? Come on people. Lets be real here. Our #1 receiver for a long time has been TonyG. There is no reason at all why we should be ranked higher.
Direckshun
07-12-2007, 06:09 AM
Yeah, it's deserved.
I believe our WR corps may be somewhere in the middle once we prove something, but until then, I'm just glad we're not last.
Chiefs=Champions
07-12-2007, 06:18 AM
The way I see it at the moment we should be ranked where they put us, maybe a little higher. However with Bowe, Hannon and Webb i think we have a lot more potential than they give us credit for and at least one of those guys could develop in to a good to great #1 receiver…hopefully.
crazycoffey
07-12-2007, 08:46 AM
The Chiefs deserved to be ranked at the bottom in QB and WR till those players prove something.....simple as that. When you don't have any prime players, young guys who are unproven and old guys who will start to decline sooner rather than latter you aren't going to get a great ranking.
They don't exactly have San Diego ranked good at WR either.
Yup, (another of the few agreements with Negecca) but to be fair on one thing. Eddie had some good years and very little respect as a Good WR. Not saying he's a true #1, but he's hardly been one that we have "gotten by with".
orange
07-12-2007, 09:58 AM
ROFL
LSU >>>>>> HAWAII
LSU >>>>>> HAWAII >>>>>>>>>>>>> MISSISSIPPI VALLEY STATE
I don't see what any of that has to do with any given individual who happened to go to any of those schools.
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