MICHAEL VICK INDICTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chiefqueen]

No JOKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065

[Hammock Parties]

Doesn't mean anything. He could still be innocent.

[RustShack]

what happens now?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Doesn't mean anything. He could still be innocent.


Could be, but this is not good for MV7.

Paging Mr. Goodell to the nearest white courtesy phone.....

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

what happens now?
Lawyer-speak out the azz.

[pikesome]

Doesn't mean anything. He could still be innocent.

It means they found a witness to tie him to it. At least a somewhat creditable one I would guess with a case this high profile.

[Simply Red]

Black Jesus?

WTF?

[RustShack]

They are probably wishing they didn't trade Schuab now.

[OnTheWarpath15]

They are probably wishing they didn't trade Schuab now.

They were probably wishing that 5 seconds after they traded him.....

[Fire Me Boy!]

PBJ

[Rooster]

Operator: Mr. Culpepper you have a collect call from the Atlanta Falcons. Will you accept the charges?

[Otter]

Wow, a Michael Vick thread.

Make Haste! Make Haste! Get ye ol clouts in before the horse has completed his death throws!!!

[pikesome]

They are probably wishing they didn't trade Schuab now.

Wishing they hadn't drafted him in the first place, he hasn't really brought them much his whole career, just loads of "promise".

[MOhillbilly]

i told you intent was enough.

[stevieray]

it's gonna bite him in the azz..

groan.

[The Franchise]

It looks like Mr. Vick is in the dog house now.

[HemiEd]

Why does this make me feel glad?

[DaneMcCloud]

Why does this make me feel glad?

Because it makes you happy to see people with fame, fortune and talent can be just as stupid as your next door neighbor? :shrug:

[Chief Faithful]

According to news radio here in Atlanta in the indictments Michael Vick goes by the alias "Mookie". So Ron Mexico is now Mookie. ROFL

[FAX]

Why does this make me feel glad?

Some people are pro-vick, Mr. HemiEd. You just happen to be a con-vick.

Kinda like he's gonna be.

FAX

[DenverChief]

Good now maybe we can trade Printers for a 3rd or 4th

[Simplex3]

Mike "Ron "Mookie" Mexico" Vick. Wow, that's hard to get right.

[Ebolapox]

welly welly welly, well...

it's a dog eat dog world :spock:

[jjjayb]

I think they're barking up the wrong tree.

[Ebolapox]

the feds are bending him over with no lube and doing him......














doggy style

[Ebolapox]

who's vick's favorite rapper?















snoop dogg...

[Ebolapox]

vick's favorite cd?




<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Tha_Doggfather.JPG">

[Ebolapox]

vick apparently spent too much time in his favorite theme park...


dogpatch usa

[tommykat]

Samething posted on KFFL....
Falcons | Details of Vick's indictment
Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:59:04 -0700ESPN.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/9) reports Atlanta Falcons (http://www.kffl.com/team/7/nfl) QB Michael Vick (http://www.kffl.com/player/96/nfl) has been indicted for conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. If Vick is found guilty on the traveling part of the indictment, he could face up to five years in prison, pay a $250,000 fine and full restitution. If he is found guilty on the animal fighting venture part of the indictment, he could face up to a year in prison, pay a $100,000 fine, or both. Vick would also have to forfeit anything he gained from the proceeds of the dog fights.

[DaneMcCloud]

He'll probably settle out of court. I don't think this will go to trial.

My guess is that he'll have to pay the maximum fine involved, get a 5 year probation period, community service and be suspended by the NFL for 8 games before appeal.

If he chooses to go to trial, throw everything out the window. I don't think his lawyers will allow him to do that though.

[Joe Seahawk]

I wonder if the Falcons play in Cleveland this year. :hmmm:

The DAWG Pound would have a hayday.. :cuss: :cuss:

[penchief]

Why does this make me feel glad?

Because when arrogant people are held to account for their digressions it's nice to think that they might finally have a reason to comprehend humility and respect.

[Adept Havelock]

vick apparently spent too much time in his favorite theme park...


dogpatch usa


I wonder what he's been fighting there? Place has gone to hell since I was a kid.

.

[Skip Towne]

It's a doggone shame.

[Coach]

He'll probably settle out of court. I don't think this will go to trial.

My guess is that he'll have to pay the maximum fine involved, get a 5 year probation period, community service and be suspended by the NFL for 8 games before appeal.

If he chooses to go to trial, throw everything out the window. I don't think his lawyers will allow him to do that though.

You can't settle out of court of a criminal case. More than likely it will be going to trail, me thinks.

[Dave Lane]

You can't settle out of court of a criminal case. More than likely it will be going to trail, me thinks.


You can plea bargain to a lesser charge / roll over on someone to get it dropped or reduced...

Dave

[trndobrd]

He'll probably settle out of court. I don't think this will go to trial.

My guess is that he'll have to pay the maximum fine involved, get a 5 year probation period, community service and be suspended by the NFL for 8 games before appeal.

If he chooses to go to trial, throw everything out the window. I don't think his lawyers will allow him to do that though.


Don't be so quick to count Vick out! Like my Grandpa used to tell me, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

[chiefqueen]

I wonder if the Falcons play in Cleveland this year. :hmmm:

The DAWG Pound would have a hayday.. :cuss: :cuss:

No, they don't ATL plays the AFC South this year.

[cdcox]

Clayton's take. I'm not sure I agree that the Falcons will be able to start Vick all season. Dog lovers are going to crucify him. I'm not sure the Falcons will be able to stand the bad PR. This is a nightmare for that franchise.


Beginning of end for Vick in Atlanta?
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: July 17, 2007, 7:24 PM ET
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The Falcons put all of their hopes for 2007 in the hands of Michael Vick. Despite Tuesday's indictment of Vick in a Virginia dogfighting probe, the Falcons have no choice but to stand by him. The reason: Atlanta traded Vick's possible replacement, Matt Schaub, to Houston. At the time, it seemed to be the wise thing, and an indictment doesn't necessarily make that situation any different.



Owner Arthur Blank hired Bobby Petrino to make Vick a better quarterback. The owner believes Petrino's imaginative college style could be creative enough to make Vick a more accomplished thrower. Vick's dedication in spending extra time working at the team facility this offseason gave Blank hope that his plan was correct.



The problem facing Vick and the Falcons now is the case, which could consume most of the season, and could bring down the team. Blank must presume Vick is innocent and let the legal process take its course. Commissioner Roger Goodell must do the same. Vick must be treated as a first-time offender in the league's new conduct policy, so he must be found guilty or admit guilt before the commissioner can suspend him.



While standing by Vick appears to be the short-term solution, there should be no doubt 2007 is the beginning of the end of the Vick era in Atlanta. Blank is a businessman who espouses high principles. Vick is the face of the franchise and a sports icon in the Southeast. Whether he's guilty or innocent, Vick would have to prove the federal government made a major mistake in indicting him to salvage his reputation throughout the area.



Cases such as these are hard to prove. Nevertheless, whatever evidence is presented against Vick is going to cause permanent damage. Dogfighting is an illegal and disgusting sport. A sports star can't be linked to such activity. Watch how fast sponsors and advertisers bail on Vick now.



From the football side, though, Petrino and Blank must let Vick report to training camp and be the starter for this season. Joey Harrington is the backup. While Harrington did some good things in resurrecting his career in Miami, he is not going to make the Falcons a playoff team, and Blank and Petrino aren't going to accept anything less than a playoff trip.



With the indictment hanging over him, though, Vick can't go into seclusion. He'll be asked questions about the case at every news conference. For now, the 2007 season belongs to Vick. But one gets the feeling it's going to be an ugly ending to an era in Atlanta sports that started with so much promise.


John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

[DaneMcCloud]

You can plea bargain to a lesser charge / roll over on someone to get it dropped or reduced...

Dave

What he said.

[DaneMcCloud]

Because when arrogant people are held to account for their digressions it's nice to think that they might finally have a reason to comprehend humility and respect.

Do you think that Michael Vick is arrogant? I don't get that. I think he's
Stupid with a capital S, but arrogant isn't a word I'd use to describe him.

Unless I haven't been paying enough attention to him, which is probably the case. :shrug:

[Donger]

"But the indictment issued Tuesday charges Vick was intimately involved in the operation, known as "Bad Newz Kennels," and that he bought the Smithfield property for $34,000 for the purpose of going into business with Peace, Phillips and Taylor."

Nice.

[penchief]

Do you think that Michael Vick is arrogant? I don't get that. I think he's
Stupid with a capital S, but arrogant isn't a word I'd use to describe him.

Unless I haven't been paying enough attention to him, which is probably the case. :shrug:

I think arrogance is a symptom of stupidity. You can't knowingly give another human being herpes without their knowledge and not be acting arrogantly. Disregard for the sanctity of someone else's right to protect their own health because of your own sexual self-gratification is clearly a sign of self-entitlement and arrogance, IMO.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Clayton's take. I'm not sure I agree that the Falcons will be able to start Vick all season. Dog lovers are going to crucify him. I'm not sure the Falcons will be able to stand the bad PR. This is a nightmare for that franchise.


Beginning of end for Vick in Atlanta?
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: July 17, 2007, 7:24 PM ET
Comment
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The Falcons put all of their hopes for 2007 in the hands of Michael Vick. Despite Tuesday's indictment of Vick in a Virginia dogfighting probe, the Falcons have no choice but to stand by him. The reason: Atlanta traded Vick's possible replacement, Matt Schaub, to Houston. At the time, it seemed to be the wise thing, and an indictment doesn't necessarily make that situation any different.



Owner Arthur Blank hired Bobby Petrino to make Vick a better quarterback. The owner believes Petrino's imaginative college style could be creative enough to make Vick a more accomplished thrower. Vick's dedication in spending extra time working at the team facility this offseason gave Blank hope that his plan was correct.



The problem facing Vick and the Falcons now is the case, which could consume most of the season, and could bring down the team. Blank must presume Vick is innocent and let the legal process take its course. Commissioner Roger Goodell must do the same. Vick must be treated as a first-time offender in the league's new conduct policy, so he must be found guilty or admit guilt before the commissioner can suspend him.



While standing by Vick appears to be the short-term solution, there should be no doubt 2007 is the beginning of the end of the Vick era in Atlanta. Blank is a businessman who espouses high principles. Vick is the face of the franchise and a sports icon in the Southeast. Whether he's guilty or innocent, Vick would have to prove the federal government made a major mistake in indicting him to salvage his reputation throughout the area.



Cases such as these are hard to prove. Nevertheless, whatever evidence is presented against Vick is going to cause permanent damage. Dogfighting is an illegal and disgusting sport. A sports star can't be linked to such activity. Watch how fast sponsors and advertisers bail on Vick now.



From the football side, though, Petrino and Blank must let Vick report to training camp and be the starter for this season. Joey Harrington is the backup. While Harrington did some good things in resurrecting his career in Miami, he is not going to make the Falcons a playoff team, and Blank and Petrino aren't going to accept anything less than a playoff trip.



With the indictment hanging over him, though, Vick can't go into seclusion. He'll be asked questions about the case at every news conference. For now, the 2007 season belongs to Vick. But one gets the feeling it's going to be an ugly ending to an era in Atlanta sports that started with so much promise.


John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

First time offender?

Who's Clayton kidding?

Vick's black eye on the league includes the Ron Mexico issue, the infamous water bottle, missing an appointment with Congress, flipping the bird to his OWN fans, and being the alleged ringleader in a dogfighting scandal.

While it may be Clayton's OPINION that Goodell should wait until a verdict is issued, it's at RG's discretion. To my knowlege, and I couldbe wrong, but Pacman still hasn't been charged with anything.....yet he's out.

We'll see if the Commish is more bark than bite based on what he does with Vick. Will he hold his stance regardless of the popularity of the player?

[bringbackmarty]

Doesn't mean anything. He could still be innocent.
but he isn't...
He is gone from the NFL for life.

[bringbackmarty]

Vick should get a lifetime ban. Remember pete rose? While he is not gambling on the outcome of games he has played in, it is iilegal gambling. It is also animal cruelty. Depending on the evidence he might plea, but he is finished. If not Goodell is all talk.

[Mr. Laz]

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[Eleazar]

I hope making a couple of extra bucks off this was worth it. :rolleyes:

[SPchief]

I hope making a couple of extra bucks off this was worth it. :rolleyes:


Eric seems to think so.

[Coach]

You can plea bargain to a lesser charge / roll over on someone to get it dropped or reduced...

Dave

Even that, he won't get away. This is a Federal indictment, I don't think Vick and his posse can wave their magic wand and make this go away.

Here are some of the facts that are coming out about the indictment:

In March 2003, after a pit bull from Bad Newz Kennels lost in a fight, it said Peace consulted with Vick about the losing dog's condition, then executed it by wetting it with water and electrocuting it;

In March 2003, after two Bad Newz Kennels dog lost fights to dogs owned by a cooperating witness, it alleged that Vick retrieved a bag containing $23,000 and gave it to the owner of the winning dogs. One of the fights had a $20,000 purse;

In the fall of 2003, a person witnessing a dog fight involving one of the dogs trained by Bad Newz Kennels incurred the ire of another cooperating witness by yelling out Vick's name in front of the crowd during the fight.
It also said that after establishing Bad Newz Kennels in early 2002, Vick and the others obtained shirts and headbands promoting their affiliation with the kennel.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7033242?MSNHPHCP&gt1=10239

These don't sound like trumped-up charges to me. They've got witnesses who were there, cooperating with the investigation, testifying. Vick could cop a plea, but remember, if he does that it's going to carry with it guilt, which means Goodall will wave *his* magic wand and suspend Vick, probably for a good long time.

I think he's in real deep shit here.

[pikesome]

I think he's in real deep shit here.

He's gonna need a big pooper-scooper then.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[BWillie]

Vick should get a lifetime ban. Remember pete rose? While he is not gambling on the outcome of games he has played in, it is iilegal gambling. It is also animal cruelty. Depending on the evidence he might plea, but he is finished. If not Goodell is all talk.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. A life time ban. What about the guys who play poker on the internet at home, also illegal gambling. So he watched some dog fights, knew about dogs fighting. Big deal. You can beat women with guns, no big deal though. Fighting dogs, o ya, life time ban.

[pikesome]

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. A life time ban. What about the guys who play poker on the internet at home, also illegal gambling. So he watched some dog fights, knew about dogs fighting. Big deal. You can beat women with guns, no big deal though. Fighting dogs, o ya, life time ban.

Maybe that's all he did but it appears the Feds think it was more, a lot more. I don't know if he's guilty anymore than you know he's innocent. If he gets a conviction I would guess a lifetime ban isn't unlikely. A federal conviction for a rather cruel and bloody sport like this isn't something the NFLPA or NFL will want around.

[Eleazar]

A lifetime ban is pretty excessive. Hopefully he would at least get a sizable suspension.

[ChiefaRoo]

Clayton's take. I'm not sure I agree that the Falcons will be able to start Vick all season. Dog lovers are going to crucify him. I'm not sure the Falcons will be able to stand the bad PR. This is a nightmare for that franchise.


Beginning of end for Vick in Atlanta?
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: July 17, 2007, 7:24 PM ET
Comment
Email
Print
The Falcons put all of their hopes for 2007 in the hands of Michael Vick. Despite Tuesday's indictment of Vick in a Virginia dogfighting probe, the Falcons have no choice but to stand by him. The reason: Atlanta traded Vick's possible replacement, Matt Schaub, to Houston. At the time, it seemed to be the wise thing, and an indictment doesn't necessarily make that situation any different.



Owner Arthur Blank hired Bobby Petrino to make Vick a better quarterback. The owner believes Petrino's imaginative college style could be creative enough to make Vick a more accomplished thrower. Vick's dedication in spending extra time working at the team facility this offseason gave Blank hope that his plan was correct.



The problem facing Vick and the Falcons now is the case, which could consume most of the season, and could bring down the team. Blank must presume Vick is innocent and let the legal process take its course. Commissioner Roger Goodell must do the same. Vick must be treated as a first-time offender in the league's new conduct policy, so he must be found guilty or admit guilt before the commissioner can suspend him.



While standing by Vick appears to be the short-term solution, there should be no doubt 2007 is the beginning of the end of the Vick era in Atlanta. Blank is a businessman who espouses high principles. Vick is the face of the franchise and a sports icon in the Southeast. Whether he's guilty or innocent, Vick would have to prove the federal government made a major mistake in indicting him to salvage his reputation throughout the area.



Cases such as these are hard to prove. Nevertheless, whatever evidence is presented against Vick is going to cause permanent damage. Dogfighting is an illegal and disgusting sport. A sports star can't be linked to such activity. Watch how fast sponsors and advertisers bail on Vick now.



From the football side, though, Petrino and Blank must let Vick report to training camp and be the starter for this season. Joey Harrington is the backup. While Harrington did some good things in resurrecting his career in Miami, he is not going to make the Falcons a playoff team, and Blank and Petrino aren't going to accept anything less than a playoff trip.



With the indictment hanging over him, though, Vick can't go into seclusion. He'll be asked questions about the case at every news conference. For now, the 2007 season belongs to Vick. But one gets the feeling it's going to be an ugly ending to an era in Atlanta sports that started with so much promise.


John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.


I guess Sandy Eggo go the best out of that trade. Brees and Tomlinson for the dog fighter punk.

[pikesome]

A lifetime ban is pretty excessive. Hopefully he would at least get a sizable suspension.

Which would effectively mean a ban. At his age and past production, if he sits more than a year I doubt any team would bring him back even as a backup.

[DaneMcCloud]

Which would effectively mean a ban. At his age and past production, if he sits more than a year I doubt any team would bring him back even as a backup.

Oh, give me a break. In a quarterback starved league like the NFL, he'd most certainly get another starting job. He's tailor-made for the Raiders.

[Bob Dole]

Which would effectively mean a ban. At his age and past production, if he sits more than a year I doubt any team would bring him back even as a backup.


This thread is punny.

He'd make a good scatback.

[pikesome]

Oh, give me a break. In a quarterback starved league like the NFL, he'd most certainly get another starting job. He's tailor-made for the Raiders.

But he hasn't played that good so far in his career. If he gets the multi season ban he'd be at least 29-30 before he could come back. Unless he learns to be a smart pocket passer while he's at home, his primary weapon would be speed which should be slower. It's unlikely that the legs would continue to work like they did a couple of years ago. Add to that the stigma and PR problems of a Fed conviction and I'd say he's done. Even the Raiders would be wary of signing him in the new NFL.

[pikesome]

This thread is punny.

He'd make a good scatback.

Not a terrible idea but I think a conviction would scare people off. He still has to be convicted for any of this to even happen though.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

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[Bob Dole]

Not a terrible idea but I think a conviction would scare people off. He still has to be convicted for any of this to even happen though.

They don't need a conviction to prove that he's a horrible "face of the franchise" and a shitty QB.

[pikesome]

They don't need a conviction to prove that he's a horrible "face of the franchise" and a shitty QB.

Already proved. Just ask Mora.

[DaneMcCloud]

Not a terrible idea but I think a conviction would scare people off. He still has to be convicted for any of this to even happen though.

There will be a plea bargain at most. He may get a one-year suspension but there will be plenty of NFL teams that would be happy to have him. 30 is young for a QB and for most, it's they're prime.

JFTR, I think the only reason Vick hasn't flourished as an NFL QB is because he's dumb. And I don't mean a dumbass, I mean dumb, as in mentally challenged.

[bringbackmarty]

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. A life time ban. What about the guys who play poker on the internet at home, also illegal gambling. So he watched some dog fights, knew about dogs fighting. Big deal. You can beat women with guns, no big deal though. Fighting dogs, o ya, life time ban.
the NFL is moving beyond the days of ray-ray, murdering animals by electrocution is not what they have in mind for $130 million dollar quarterbacks. It's a good thing if they do it.

[OctoberFart]

He deserves the electrode to his nuts treatment that he ordered to happen to alot of his dogs.