Chiefs Members Muscle Cars

[El Jefe]

Probably already been done on here, but not in my time. Who on here has/had a old muscle car? Any good stories of racing anybody on the street, or interesting stories of how you came about getting your car.


I will start I have a 1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham, 455ci, it's a fun car, I have two 1963 Buick Electra 225, 2 doors, both have the buick 401 nailhead. One of my favorites was my first car, 1984 4 door Buick Lesabre Limited, it rhode like a giant pillow. I dont have any pictures but will try to get some up.

[Radar Chief]

You’ve just posted HemiEd’s next favorite topic. :thumb:

[HemiEd]

You’ve just posted HemiEd’s next favorite topic. :thumb:

It is quite a list, I put them on one of Rainman's threads a couple of years ago.

57 Plymouth Fury (3) first Plymouth Muscle car, dual 4s
64 Barracuda (4 spd)
65 Barracudas (2)
68 Charger (triple black, 383)
71 Elcamino SS
62 Nova SS Convert
65 Dart GT, 273 Hi Po
72 Chevelle Convert SS
70 Cuda, 340
70 Cuda, 340 Convert
70 Challenger
70 Road Runner, 4 spd.
69 GTX 4spd
68 Barracuda,(2) 340 4 spd. 1 in this picture
67 Barracuda (2) One is in the Cool Car Thread in the Picture forum
69 Barracuda, (2)4 spd, auto
70 Duster, 340, Panther Pink
68 Sport Sattelite Convert
70 GTX, 4 spd.
67 Coronet R/T (cool car pix thread)
68 Hemi Road Runner (cool car pix thread)

I may have forgot some.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I have a black '01 Pontiac Grand Prix SE with spoiler and dual hood scoops. Does that count?

[SLAG]

This was the Car I fought my parents for.

my 1982 Custom Camaro-
Unique- Mine- Redneck.... This Boy that grew up Newton would not want much else -(Maybe a TH700-R4-) anyway... Got it when i was 16- I had to sell it when I was 21- the Motor was too much for Really Good Built 350 Turbos that i put in it and i ran out of cash to put another one in.

infact i needed the cash so i had to sell her- The guy said the motor was going in his 1969 SS camaro that he is building.

It was a bit dingd up (By me)... not the prettiest belle of the ball-but she was mine- AND FAST!



Here it is-

http://chillplace.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/PANA0085.JPG


Good Look at the Cowl (Functunal) Size

http://chillplace.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/PANA0092.JPG



http://chillplace.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/camfront%7E0.jpg

I did replace the fenders eventually but then had to sell it shortly after - :doh!:

http://chillplace.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/new_driver_fender.jpg


Now the Power Plant- Reneck built- but well built- Notice the Missing passanger side firewall anyway- 350 Chevy Bored over .30- Roller Rockers- Mild Blue Racing Cam- Holly 750 Double Pumper (pic 2) Going into my Edlebrock Performer RPM Intake Manifold - Headers with TRUE DUAL EXHAUST!!! - Electric Fan to cool it on down -NO AC! hell this car didnt even have winshield wipers- 350 Turbo with a B&M Super Street Shift Kit w/ the 2500 Stall Converter Connected to the 4:11 Aburn POSI Trac Rear End-DAMN I SMOKED SOME TIRES!!!

http://chillplace.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/355%7E0.jpg

Holly 750DP-
http://chillplace.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/Holly750DP.jpg



Weld Drag Lites- Built Right here in KC!-

http://chillplace.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/PANA0090.JPG


Last Full Body Pic-

http://chillplace.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/camarodside.jpg

[BigRedChief]

I have the 2005 Mustang. It goes fast enough for me. I like the leather, 500 watt stero, 6 cd changer and all the other "modern" dodads. But I sure look back fondly on the 68-71 years as the best ever in mass car making, at least here in the U.S.

[rtmike]

My street racing days have past. Although last year I had a guy with a little Blazer Cyclone thingie majobber buzz through traffic so he could get up beside me and romp on it a couple times. We did a rolling take off and I pulled on him right away hitting third and seeing his headlights in my rearview mirror. He pulled up and said, "Not bad, you got me by a half" I just laughed cause I knew better. He kept asking what I had and my buddy kept pointing at the HEMI badge on the front fender.
My first Mope was a '68 Coronet R/T bought while I lived in Mopar Heaven, Hays, Kansas. I had it up to right below the 150mph marker on the speedo and was runnin' 6200rpm on Old 40 right outside Hays. On bias ply tires.
2. '72 Charger 400 (original owner car)
3. '70 Six pack, 4 speed, SuperBee
4. '67 Belvedere 9 passenger Wagon
5. '70 Gran Couple Barracuda (original owner car)
6. '70 383 Ramcharger fresh air hood SuperBee
7. '70 All Blue Charger R/T 4 speed, Dana rear
8. '70 Daytona clone
9. '70 340 Challenger (For Sale)
10. '70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi, 6spd Gear Vendors.

I like my '70's. Best year for muscle IMO. I want to do the Hot Rod Power Tour next year so I may put A/C in. It starts in Little Rock and one of the stops is purportedly Topeka, ends in Wisconsin.
Here's a CarDomain page I have. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2645088

BRC, my buddy has a '05 Saleen and I got a ride last Sunday. OMFG, that car flat got with the program. I was very impressed especially after we went out in his '71 429 Cobra Torino. The Saleen was way more seat back inducing.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/2645000-2645999/2645088_7_full.jpg

[Molitoth]

1964 Chevy Impala - 2Dr Black, 4 speed, 454
1987 Buick Grand National
1987 Buick Grand National GNX <-- For sale!
1970 Buick Skylark gsx (clone)

Current Project - 1963 Studbaker Avanti (R3)

HemiEd, My bro has a 1969 Roadrunner Convert, 383 tho, not a Hemi. =(

[HemiEd]

My street racing days have past. Although last year I had a guy with a little Blazer Cyclone thingie majobber buzz through traffic so he could get up beside me and romp on it a couple times. We did a rolling take off and I pulled on him right away hitting third and seeing his headlights in my rearview mirror. He pulled up and said, "Not bad, you got me by a half" I just laughed cause I knew better. He kept asking what I had and my buddy kept pointing at the HEMI badge on the front fender.
My first Mope was a '68 Coronet R/T bought while I lived in Mopar Heaven, Hays, Kansas. I had it up to right below the 150mph marker on the speedo and was runnin' 6200rpm on Old 40 right outside Hays. On bias ply tires.
2. '72 Charger 400 (original owner car)
3. '70 Six pack, 4 speed, SuperBee
4. '67 Belvedere 9 passenger Wagon
5. '70 Gran Couple Barracuda (original owner car)
6. '70 383 Ramcharger fresh air hood SuperBee
7. '70 All Blue Charger R/T 4 speed, Dana rear
8. '70 Daytona clone
9. '70 340 Challenger (For Sale)
10. '70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi, 6spd Gear Vendors.

I like my '70's. Best year for muscle IMO. I want to do the Hot Rod Power Tour next year so I may put A/C in. It starts in Little Rock and one of the stops is purportedly Topeka, ends in Wisconsin.
Here's a CarDomain page I have. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2645088



Hays, have we talked about Jerry Juneman (sp) yet? He used to have the "Wheels & Spokes" museum there on 70. I heard he got in some trouble?

Oh and 68s are better than 70s. Much cleaner. :D

[HemiEd]

1964 Chevy Impala - 2Dr Black, 4 speed, 454
1987 Buick Grand National
1987 Buick Grand National GNX <-- For sale!
1970 Buick Skylark gsx (clone)

HemiEd, My bro has a 1969 Roadrunner Convert, 383 tho, not a Hemi. =(

Wow, that is cool. RR converts have always intrigued me, since they are almost a contradiction. I am pretty sure they never made a Hemi RR convertible. RRs were inexspensive, low end muscle cars, or intended to be anyway.
Usually, when someone wanted a convertible, they would get the GTX. My Hemi RR had no carpet, no radio, no rear arm rests etc. But it did have Power Disc Brakes, posi and a tach. :D

[Molitoth]

Wow, that is cool. RR converts have always intrigued me, since they are almost a contradiction. I am pretty sure they never made a Hemi RR convertible. RRs were inexspensive, low end muscle cars, or intended to be anyway.
Usually, when someone wanted a convertible, they would get the GTX. My Hemi RR had no carpet, no radio, no rear arm rests etc. But it did have Power Disc Brakes, posi and a tach. :D


The Road Runner added a convertible option for 1969, although fewer than 2000 droptop models were produced for the year, and only nine with the Hemi.

[HemiEd]

The Road Runner added a convertible option for 1969, although fewer than 2000 droptop models were produced for the year, and only nine with the Hemi.

I am actually shocked by the nine.

[Molitoth]

I am actually shocked by the nine.

They are worth some big bucks. =)

[HemiEd]

They are worth some big bucks. =)

Yep, the rich guys have gotten into it and ruined the hobby. I sold my RR a little early (3 years). It was #s matching, warranty card, build sheet, window sticker and I had tracked down all previous owners for a complete history of the car.

It was special ordered in KC as a race car, but never picked up. It sat on the lot (very plain) until the 69s showed up. The 69s were much fancier with thier colored graphics, pink RR horn, plusher interiors etc.

A guy from Missouri, had wrecked his 66 Hemi Sattelite, and received $2500 settlement. He ended up getting the Silver 68 brand new for $2500. Even though the car was ordered for Drag Racing, it didn't see a drag stip once.
Just some crazy street stuff, now it is in a museum. The rich guy that owns the museum, might have put it on the Drag Strip since I sold it though.
He had his mechanic call me, bragging that they were having some Super Stock Hemi tuner guy fly in to tune on it. They probably blew it up after it making it all those years with the original motor.

[StcChief]

Yep, the rich guys have gotten into it and ruined the hobby. I sold my RR a little early (3 years). It was #s matching, warranty card, build sheet, window sticker and I had tracked down all previous owners for a complete history of the car.

It was special ordered in KC as a race car, but never picked up. It sat on the lot (very plain) until the 69s showed up. The 69s were much fancier with thier colored graphics, pink RR horn, plusher interiors etc.

A guy from Missouri, had wrecked his 66 Hemi Sattelite, and received $2500 settlement. He ended up getting the Silver 68 brand new for $2500. Even though the car was ordered for Drag Racing, it didn't see a drag stip once.
Just some crazy street stuff, now it is in a museum. The rich guy that owns the museum, might have put it on the Drag Strip since I sold it though.
He had his mechanic call me, bragging that they were having some Super Stock Hemi tuner guy fly in to tune on it. They probably blew it up after it making it all those years with the original motor.

HE....
was this in FastLane in St.Charles MO?

http://www.fastlanecars.com/

[HemiEd]

HE....
was this in FastLane in St.Charles MO?

http://www.fastlanecars.com/

No, when I bought the car, December of 1999, it had not been registered or titled since 1984. I bought it in Conway Springs, Kansas. The last registered owner, had hit a deer and let the car get reposessed.
He was the last guy I contacted, since I knew it had been reposessed and wrecked. I was afraid to find out that someone might have been killed in the car.
Funny thing, he was the coolest one to talk to. He had kept the original air cleaner and trunk Hemi badge. I bought them both off of him and reunited them with the car. He was using that huge air cleaner as a clothes hamper, or something like that. LMAO
Each one of the owners had a similar story, they had all conned their wives into buying the car. Once the spouse experienced the high maintenence and low gas milage, they made their husband get rid of it.

Oh, and the original selling dealer was somewhere near downtown KC. Long since out of business. I have copies of all the paperwork at home, but can't remember the dealers name.

[El Jefe]

My two 1963 Buick Electra's are very rare because they are two doors. They only made 6,000 and my Buick Club says there are less than 100 registered in the world, doesnt mean there are only 100 but it's still pretty neat. My one 63 has every power option including AC and there were only 100 made with AC.

[2112]

I have a 1972 Chevy Vega, with ash trays in front and back.

http://airbrushtour.com/images/hooters/Bob-Crellin-Vega1.jpg

[HemiEd]

My two 1963 Buick Electra's are very rare because they are two doors. They only made 6,000 and my Buick Club says there are less than 100 registered in the world, doesnt mean there are only 100 but it's still pretty neat. My one 63 has every power option including AC and there were only 100 made with AC.

I have always like those old "nail head" Buick motors. I have a buddy up here, that just "restored" a 65 Buick Riviera (7 years). I put the "restored" in quotes, because all he really did was have a fantastic paint job done to a very nice original car.
He can't drive it because all of the 43 year old "non-restored" stuff keeps giving him problems.
I think pulling the gas tank and cleaning it out along with the "fuel pick up" would solve a lot of his problems.

[Silock]

I have a 72 Chevelle.

My 4 cylinder rice burner is much, much faster, though :(

[Brock]

61 Caddy 'vert bagged big block.
67 Olds Cutlass
47 Chevy pickup
80 Vette

current project is a 39 Ford truck.

[El Jefe]

I have really grown to love the older Buicks, seeing as my first car was a buick and my first project car was a buick. My dad went to Buick school and worked for Len Immke Buick up here. He knows anything and almost everything on old buicks.
Anyway long story short, his buddy that he worked with at Buick, is giving me two Buick motors. The first one is a 455 Buick Motor, and the second is a 430 High Performance Buick Motor, and he is giving them to me for free =).

[dilligaf]

Not a muscle car, but it is a '76 Dodge with a 440 and 4 barrel and auto. I sold it to my brother in january.

[RustShack]

I have a 95 Trans Am. It has T-tops, read leather bucketseat interior, cold air intake, shift kit, new hood, and a sweet new exaust system. I havn't lost a race, but havn't been against anything too good, and I don't race anymore because if I get one more speeding ticket I lose my licence.

[Monty]

I don't have a muscle car as such, but I parked the Command Center at a Holiday Inn Express overnight and this is what it sounds like now. :)


<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rlmPnSmcdxg"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rlmPnSmcdxg" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

[HemiEd]

Not a muscle car, but it is a '76 Dodge with a 440 and 4 barrel and auto. I sold it to my brother in january.
Nice truck! Was it originally Red? Original Big Block?

I had tow truck, a 74 4 door that I yanked the 400 out of, and put in a 440. The 440 sent the milage down from 11 to 5. :banghead: I think a lot of that was due to me not changing the gear that was in there for the short stroked 400.

[El Jefe]

Geesh Monty whats that thing run in the 1/4 LOL.

[HemiEd]

61 Caddy 'vert bagged big block.
67 Olds Cutlass
47 Chevy pickup
80 Vette

current project is a 39 Ford truck.

I had no idea Brock. What is a "bagged big block?" What are you doing to the '39?

[Brock]

I had no idea Brock. What is a "bagged big block?" What are you doing to the '39?

airbagged suspension, 454 in the caddy.

The 39 is a truck I dragged out of a field in western kansas. Actually, 2 of them, so I could make one. It's going to be a modern suspension, 5 liter powered rat rod.

[Bugeater]

I have nothing now, but my most recent was an '86 Firebird that I sold a couple years ago. Not exactly the definition of a "muscle car" but it looked cool.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4674/firebird1apc2.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3188/firebird2xf3.jpg

Others I've had:
65 Mustang (rustbucket)
70 Firebird (easily the fastest car I ever owned)
71 T-37 LeMans
74 GTO (regret selling that one, only 7,000 were made)
71 Road Runner (should've been the fastest car I ever owned, but I could never get that POS running right, eventually caught on fire)

[HemiEd]

airbagged suspension, 454 in the caddy.

The 39 is a truck I dragged out of a field in western kansas. Actually, 2 of them, so I could make one. It's going to be a modern suspension, 5 liter powered rat rod.

Ok, Bagged is a "low rider" or "fat fender" term, right? Did you ever meet the cop in Bucklin? He is really into that stuff.
Neat stuff! Did Jared Allen end up with your Caddy? Isn't his about the same vintage?

That truck is going to be some hard work. How far along are you with it?
Are you past the dirty part yet?

I have a '50 Dodge 5 window pickup, that I have put off for over 25 years. It was red when I bought it out of western Kansas, now the weather has turned it back to green. LMAO

[El Jefe]

My dad has a 50 Chevy 2 door Deluxe that is in a ruff state at the moment. His grandmother bought it brand new so its like a family heirloom. We will restore it eventually he has had it since 79 and done really nothing on it, it does run and u can drive it. My dad had a few sweet rides, he had a 56 and 57 Chevy, his 56 had 560hp, he had a bunch more I will have to get the list before I rattle off something he didnt have LOL.

[dilligaf]

Nice truck! Was it originally Red? Original Big Block?

I had tow truck, a 74 4 door that I yanked the 400 out of, and put in a 440. The 440 sent the milage down from 11 to 5. :banghead: I think a lot of that was due to me not changing the gear that was in there for the short stroked 400.
Maybe it doesnt look like it, but the truck is orange. Far as I know it is original.

[rtmike]

Hays, have we talked about Jerry Juneman (sp) yet? He used to have the "Wheels & Spokes" museum there on 70. I heard he got in some trouble?

Oh and 68s are better than 70s. Much cleaner. :D


'68's had that burgundy color that wasn't available on the newer models that I really like. Almost traded for a '68 RR in that color.

Good ol' Jerry. I heard lots of stories (VIN altering, stealing broke down cars off I-70, blank titles) from my Dad. There was always the persistent rumor he peddled dope in the trunk's of car's that were loaded on transport trucks. I wasn't the die hard Mope back then and didn't realize what a treasure he had in that museum. I always heard he had two or three more warehouses in western Kansas (Selden) full of cars. It's a shame, when he sold that building whatever cars that didn't sell from out back met the crusher.

[MIAdragon]

05 twin turbo Mustang GT

11psi over 600hp 600tq

[HemiEd]

'68's had that burgundy color that wasn't available on the newer models that I really like. Almost traded for a '68 RR in that color.

Good ol' Jerry. I heard lots of stories (VIN altering, stealing broke down cars off I-70, blank titles) from my Dad. There was always the persistent rumor he peddled dope in the trunk's of car's that were loaded on transport trucks. I wasn't the die hard Mope back then and didn't realize what a treasure he had in that museum. I always heard he had two or three more warehouses in western Kansas (Selden) full of cars. It's a shame, when he sold that building whatever cars that didn't sell from out back met the crusher.

I never did a single dimes worth of business with Jerry, but knew him fairly well. I would stop in his place every two weeks on my sales trips through western Kansas. I personally witnessed the cloneing of a Challenger Indy Pace car. I just thought he was making it for his museum, and he probably was initially.
Of course, this hobby has changed a lot. There was actually very little interest in Muscle cars in the late 70s early 80s compared to what it is now.
When you pull a car out of a salvage yard, just prior to it getting crushed, then make it into a nice car, you kind of feel entitled to do what you want.
Now, 20 years later, people are investigating these cars like someone intentionaly defrauded them.

[HonestChieffan]

Any Car built after 1970 is a replica of real cars with true power and style. I see these so called Muscle Cars people wank on and on about built in the mid to late 70s and into the 80s and one marvels at how cheesy they are.

So Harken back to times when cars with real muscle were driven as daily drivers. Your 78-present are mere images of a real car.

[Brock]

Ok, Bagged is a "low rider" or "fat fender" term, right? Did you ever meet the cop in Bucklin? He is really into that stuff.
Neat stuff! Did Jared Allen end up with your Caddy? Isn't his about the same vintage?

That truck is going to be some hard work. How far along are you with it?
Are you past the dirty part yet?

I have a '50 Dodge 5 window pickup, that I have put off for over 25 years. It was red when I bought it out of western Kansas, now the weather has turned it back to green. LMAO

I still own all my old cars. You can own 5 or 6 of them and still have much less of a property tax hit than a brand new car in KS.

The truck is disassembled down to the bare frame at this point. I'm currently welding in the Mustang II crossmember and suspension perches, then it goes to sandblast. Or not. I'm still debating whether I want to keep a rusty, unfinished appearance on most of it.

[HemiEd]

I still own all my old cars. You can own 5 or 6 of them and still have much less of a property tax hit than a brand new car in KS.

The truck is disassembled down to the bare frame at this point. I'm currently welding in the Mustang II crossmember and suspension perches, then it goes to sandblast. Or not. I'm still debating whether I want to keep a rusty, unfinished appearance on most of it.

Yep, those Kansas PP taxes suck. Fortunately, you have the room to keep them. That is the main issue up here, and money of course.
Here is an idea, and maybe not. The only "frame" car I did was the 57 Fury. I hung the frame up in the garage, and put glass beads in a sand blast unit. It came out really smooth and nice, I was afraid the sand would be too aggressive.
You should post some pictures up in Radar's thread.

[FRCDFED]

Sorry for the delayed post. Contrary to my avatar, my 67 Nova is now complete and has been doing well in local shows.

I cannot get attachments to attach :hmmm:

[HemiEd]

Sorry for the delayed post. Contrary to my avatar, my 67 Nova is now complete and has been doing well in local shows.

I cannot get attachments to attach :hmmm:

Congrats on getting the Nova done, I hope you can figure out how to get some pictures up.

I am glad you brought this thread back, I had remembered two cars I forgot to list.
66 Corvette Roadster, 327 4 speed, both tops, white exterior and blue interior. I didn't have it very long, a guy gave me a 50% profit, so I took it. You will love these prices, 1973, I gave $1200 and sold it for $1800.

The other was a plane jane 71 RR, gold with a gold interior. I didn't have it very long either. :D

[Radar Chief]

airbagged suspension, 454 in the caddy.

454 isn’t a typical Caddy motor, they used, IIRC, 472 and 500 ci BB’s. Put that motor in yourself?

[Radar Chief]

I still own all my old cars. You can own 5 or 6 of them and still have much less of a property tax hit than a brand new car in KS.

The truck is disassembled down to the bare frame at this point. I'm currently welding in the Mustang II crossmember and suspension perches, then it goes to sandblast. Or not. I'm still debating whether I want to keep a rusty, unfinished appearance on most of it.

:thumb: Here’s one vote for the rat rod sleeper look, if it makes a difference.

[FRCDFED]

Congrats on getting the Nova done, I hope you can figure out how to get some pictures up.

I am glad you brought this thread back, I had remembered two cars I forgot to list.
66 Corvette Roadster, 327 4 speed, both tops, white exterior and blue interior. I didn't have it very long, a guy gave me a 50% profit, so I took it. You will love these prices, 1973, I gave $1200 and sold it for $1800.

The other was a plane jane 71 RR, gold with a gold interior. I didn't have it very long either. :DIt appears that the pictures are too large and I don't have the software to shrink them. Can I email them to someone and have them inserted?

Brenton

[El Jefe]

454 isn’t a typical Caddy motor, they used, IIRC, 472 and 500 ci BB’s. Put that motor in yourself?



Dito, Cadillac didnt/doesnt make a 454, thats a Chevy motor. I mean im sure you could bore out a caddy motor to be a 454, but 454 isnt a stock cadillac motor. Brock what kind of bags did you put on your cadillac (brand), what did you pay for the whole setup, did you install it yourself, I have been looking at putting some pumps on my 63.

[Brock]

454 isn’t a typical Caddy motor, they used, IIRC, 472 and 500 ci BB’s. Put that motor in yourself?

Yeah, chevy 454 crate engine. Rebuilding the original caddy 390 was going to cost about 2/3 of the brand new crate motor.

[Brock]

Dito, Cadillac didnt/doesnt make a 454, thats a Chevy motor. I mean im sure you could bore out a caddy motor to be a 454, but 454 isnt a stock cadillac motor. Brock what kind of bags did you put on your cadillac (brand), what did you pay for the whole setup, did you install it yourself, I have been looking at putting some pumps on my 63.

I used the air ride technologies "shockwave" system. It isn't a hard installation to do yourself. The front pair, which is an integrated shock/airbag which bolts into the shock absorber location, were quite expensive, around a thousand bucks. The backs weren't that expensive. But, if you're going to do it, do not get stingy with an airbag suspension. If you buy a cheap imported setup, you'll find yourself sitting on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere wishing you'd spent the extra money.

[Radar Chief]

Yeah, chevy 454 crate engine. Rebuilding the original caddy 390 was going to cost about 2/3 of the brand new crate motor.

Understandable. It’s hard to beat Crate GM engines from a “bang for your performance buck” perspective.

[El Jefe]

I used the air ride technologies "shockwave" system. It isn't a hard installation to do yourself. The front pair, which is an integrated shock/airbag which bolts into the shock absorber location, were quite expensive, around a thousand bucks. The backs weren't that expensive. But, if you're going to do it, do not get stingy with an airbag suspension. If you buy a cheap imported setup, you'll find yourself sitting on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere wishing you'd spent the extra money.


Brock, you have any problems with them leaking? So you didnt have to cut into your frame installing the system?

[El Jefe]

Yeah, chevy 454 crate engine. Rebuilding the original caddy 390 was going to cost about 2/3 of the brand new crate motor.


Now that is a nice engine there, I would go with a crate 454 anytime over rebuilding the caddy engine, unless you are going for the all original look.

[Brock]

Brock, you have any problems with them leaking? So you didnt have to cut into your frame installing the system?

IIRC, I had to drill a hole or enlarge an existing hole in each of the lower a-arms, but I can't remember what for. Very minor deal. Spend a lot of time on the plumbing of your lines, because that's where you'll get a leak if you get one. I've probably put 30,000 miles on this car since I did all the work to it, and no trouble at all.

[TrebMaxx]

This is my "I want to kick myself in the arse moment". I had a 1964 Cadillac Series 62. That car was not what you would call a muscle car, but it did have plenty of muscle. I wish I would have never sold it but at that time in my life I had to and every time I see one it bums me out. That car rocked.

* V-8 Overhead valves
* Cast iron block
* Displacement: 429 cubic inches
* Bore and stroke: 4.13 x 4.00 inches
* Compression ratio: 10.5:1
* Horsepower: 340 @ 4600 rpm
* Five main bearings
* Hydraulic valve lifters
* Carburetion: Carter AFB four-barrel model 3655S.

When I got the car back in 89 it only had 62,000 miles on it and was in perfect condition. Except for the drive shaft which was out of balance and the heater core leaked. I fixed those two things and very much enjoyed Saturday night cruises. It was in such great original shape that I received many thumbs up, even by the import guys.

[rtmike]

It appears that the pictures are too large and I don't have the software to shrink them. Can I email them to someone and have them inserted?

Brenton

Sure, send them to me. vcodefan at comcast dot net

[El Jefe]

TrebMaxx, that sounds like it was a sweet cruiser, did you get a good deal on it when you bought it? We have a 62 Cadillac Fleetwood 4 door in the shop right now this guy painted it pink, he has some 15inch spokes on it and a loud stereo system, no he isnt white either, its pretty funny looking, but its in pretty good shape.

[TrebMaxx]

TrebMaxx, that sounds like it was a sweet cruiser, did you get a good deal on it when you bought it? We have a 62 Cadillac Fleetwood 4 door in the shop right now this guy painted it pink, he has some 15inch spokes on it and a loud stereo system, no he isnt white either, its pretty funny looking, but its in pretty good shape.

Actually the price was great! FREE! It was my grandmother's car and she was the original owner. She had a stroke in 81 and it sat in the garage for 8 years, thus the drive shaft problems and most likely the heater core too. My grandfather would go out and start it up about twice a year but didn't drive it. He also kept the oil changed every year. I also forgot to mention I had to put new tires on it because the ones that where on it had flat spotted. They lived in Washington State and I left Missouri in 89 to go to college in Washington after I got out of the Army. My grandma had always told me that the caddy would be mine some day and when I arrived she gave me the keys. Another reason I wish I never sold it.

I wouldn't want a pink one that is for sure, mine was the Bone White all original - everything worked. AC, power everything, cruise control, even the Optic Eye.

[El Jefe]

Wow I would of liked to see that car. It would suck because it was kind of a family heirloom, but hey it was just a car, my dad is gonna pass down my great grandmothers 1950 Chevy Deluxe 2 door that she bought new, hopefully he will give it to me, he might give it to my brother who knows. It will be fun to keep a piece of family history.

[FRCDFED]

Sure, send them to me. vcodefan at comcast dot net
I sent them over. Thanks!

[Rain Man]

I don't know if it's technically a muscle car, but my first two cars as a teenager were both 1970 Mustang convertibles: one gold with a tan interior, one red with a white interior.

Stock image:
http://wildwillsclassicmotors.com/cars/images/1970%20Mustang%20Convertible%20008.jpg

[Skip Towne]

Those old Buicks had really strong engines. My buddy used to blow everyone off with his dad's '62 Four door Buick . It was an Electra 225 so we called it a duece and a quarter. That big bus would haul ass. It embarrassed many a local hot rodder.

[Groves]

My two 1963 Buick Electra's are very rare because they are two doors. They only made 6,000 and my Buick Club says there are less than 100 registered in the world, doesnt mean there are only 100 but it's still pretty neat. My one 63 has every power option including AC and there were only 100 made with AC.

Those sound like nice cars. I've got a 62 4-door hardtop with just about all of the power options, including A/C. Retired it a few years ago.

[morphius]

Not mine, but my Dad and I will be working on one of these this fall...

http://www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200408/shakko_1092257426_cobra.jpg

[rtmike]

This is bhud's ride It's a very sweet ride, love the color!!!

[HemiEd]

This is bhud's ride It's a very sweet ride, love the color!!!

Nice, very nice!

[Redrum_69]

I have a 49 Chevy truck for sale and a 57 Bel-Air four door hardtop for sale as well

[El Jefe]

How much are you selling the 57 bel-Air for, because I actually am very interested. Bhud, nice car, that thing is very clean, I like the custom steering wheel. You really cant appreciate restored cars until you put the time and the $$$$$ into restoring one, let alone finding parts.

[Redrum_69]

Its a show car. $10,500

I'll get pics of it tonight and try to post them

[Radar Chief]

Not mine, but my Dad and I will be working on one of these this fall...

http://www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200408/shakko_1092257426_cobra.jpg


A “kit car” I assume?

[Radar Chief]

This is bhud's ride It's a very sweet ride, love the color!!!

Damn, I like. Particularly the bling under the hood. :thumb:

[El Jefe]

For your sake to bad its not a 2 door or it would be worth a lot more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[HonestChieffan]

Tell me about this 49 truck redrum

[Rain Man]

This is bhud's ride It's a very sweet ride, love the color!!!

Is that apricot?

[Rain Man]

A “kit car” I assume?


Either that, or I need to suck up to morphius a lot more.

[El Jefe]

49 chevy truck hmmmmmmmmmmm. Any info on it Rum?

[HonestChieffan]

ive got dibs on the 49.

Honor a mans dibs or be doomed to be a Ram fan forever.

[El Jefe]

ive got dibs on the 49.

Honor a mans dibs or be doomed to be a Ram fan forever.



LMAO, that is pretty funny there.

[HonestChieffan]

Its only right to honnor another mans dibs. Anyone who wont is a scoundrel.

[FRCDFED]

This is bhud's ride It's a very sweet ride, love the color!!!
Thanks for posting the pics for me rtmike!! The color is tangerine pearlcoat. It has been doing well in all the shows it has competed. I've limited the number of shows I take it to so I avoid overexposure. Being the new car on the block it gets a lot of attention.

As you can imagine many of the drag race types are trying to bait me in to racing. It will make a future appearance at the track for a couple of runs just to satisfy the curiosity. There are a couple of upgrades that will happen before then. I only have about 200 miles on the car since the restoration.

Thanks again rtmike!

[HemiEd]

2. '72 Charger 400 (original owner car)
3. '70 Six pack, 4 speed, SuperBee
4. '67 Belvedere 9 passenger Wagon
5. '70 Gran Couple Barracuda (original owner car)
6. '70 383 Ramcharger fresh air hood SuperBee
7. '70 All Blue Charger R/T 4 speed, Dana rear
8. '70 Daytona clone
9. '70 340 Challenger (For Sale)
10. '70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi, 6spd Gear Vendors.





You are true Mopar guy, we could share some stories. My Wife just looked at my list and said I forgot a couple. :)
65 Dart Gt Coupe 273 Hipo
67 Dart Gt Convertible 318

[HemiEd]

Thanks for posting the pics for me rtmike!! The color is tangerine pearlcoat. It has been doing well in all the shows it has competed. I've limited the number of shows I take it to so I avoid overexposure. Being the new car on the block it gets a lot of attention.

As you can imagine many of the drag race types are trying to bait me in to racing. It will make a future appearance at the track for a couple of runs just to satisfy the curiosity. There are a couple of upgrades that will happen before then. I only have about 200 miles on the car since the restoration.

Thanks again rtmike!

Can you tell me about the huffer? I like it!

[Skip Towne]

Another Mopar guy? I thought they were like Charger fans. There are only two of them in the world.

[HemiEd]

Another Mopar guy? I thought they were like Charger fans. There are only two of them in the world.

Two different Hemi Cuda Convertibles have brought about $6,000,000.00 dollars between them. You are pissing up the wrong tree, Mopar Muscle Cars, are more valuable than any, across the board.

[CrazyHorse]

It's a work in progress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QEiKLKmxM

There is lots of work in this pup. It wont be a show car as much as a hotrod. It'll get driven.

[dtebbe]

I chuckle at what some of you call muscle cars... just because it's old and has a big motor does not make it a muscle car. IMHO if you can't outrun a Honda Odyssey minivan in both the 1/4 mile and salom, you can't call it a muscle car. Sorry HemiEd....

DT
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9nAx2jtr3K8"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9nAx2jtr3K8" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

[CrazyHorse]

I chuckle at what some of you call muscle cars... just because it's old and has a big motor does not make it a muscle car. IMHO if you can't outrun a Honda Odyssey minivan in both the 1/4 mile and salom, you can't call it a muscle car. Sorry HemiEd....

DT
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9nAx2jtr3K8"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9nAx2jtr3K8" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Um...... the mopar will break 200 mph. Does that qualify as muscle?

[HemiEd]

I chuckle at what some of you call muscle cars... just because it's old and has a big motor does not make it a muscle car. IMHO if you can't outrun a Honda Odyssey minivan in both the 1/4 mile and salom, you can't call it a muscle car. Sorry HemiEd....

DT
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9nAx2jtr3K8"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9nAx2jtr3K8" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>


ROFL ROFL Ok, you go buy me a '69 Daytona, I will buy you New, three of those Honda Mini Vans. ROFL

I am surpised you didn't post a gas milage comparison, be about the same.

I bet a Chevy Aveo would kick the Hondas ass in that test. ROFL

[Skip Towne]

Two different Hemi Cuda Convertibles have brought about $6,000,000.00 dollars between them. You are pissing up the wrong tree, Mopar Muscle Cars, are more valuable than any, across the board.
That doesn't prove they were good cars. That just proves they are rare. And hell yes they are rare, most of them were in the salvage yard 5 years after they were built. The Barracuda is the ugliest car ever built. Not starting an argument, just my opinion.

[pikesome]

That doesn't prove they were good cars. That just proves they are rare. And hell yes they are rare, most of them were in the salvage yard 5 years after they were built. The Barracuda is the ugliest car ever built. Not starting an argument, just my opinion.

In this instance it's a bad one.

[Skip Towne]

In this instance it's a bad one.
Just your opinion. I made my decision in the 50's and have found no reason to change. Those Plymouths and Dodges of the 50's and early '60s were rattly bang junk. They had good engines but were very shoddy otherwise.

[pikesome]

Just your opinion. I made my decision in the 50's and have found no reason to change. Those Plymouths and Dodges of the 50's and early '60s were rattly bang junk. They had good engines but were very shoddy otherwise.

Then we're talking about different years, the one from Phantasm is what always pops in my mind when I think 'Cuda.

[Skip Towne]

Then we're talking about different years, the one from Phantasm is what always pops in my mind when I think 'Cuda.
I don't know one of them from another. I spent a lot of time at the dragstrip from the mid fifties to the late 60's and never saw a 'Cuda do anything. I suspect they are too heavy just looking at them but I can't prove it.

[pikesome]

I don't know one of them from another. I spent a lot of time at the dragstrip from the mid fifties to the late 60's and never saw a 'Cuda do anything. I suspect they are too heavy just looking at them but I can't prove it.
This is the first Gen 64-66
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/1966_Plymouth_Barracuda.jpg

2nd Gen 67-69
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/67_Barracuda_Convertible.jpg

3rd Gen 70-74 These are the hotness
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/1972_Plymouth_Barracuda_340.jpg

[ChiefFan31]

Love Classic cars. Here are pics of two of my friends cars.

First Mustang has twin turbos, and the blue one is a single turbo with well over 600+ to the wheels and was on the cover of Motor Trend magazine a few years ago.

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/1220/10259/184961.jpg

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/1220/10259/184960.jpg

[FRCDFED]

Can you tell me about the huffer? I like it!
It has a B&M 144 underhood supercharger. Some people don't like the smaller blowers but it allows me to keep everything under the hood and it is a roots style blower so I get the torque benefits off idle and it carries it through about 5500 - 6000 rpm. So it has a pretty broad torque curve. Besides.......5-7 pounds of boost is 5-7 pounds of boost no matter what the blower size. Those running 6-71 blowers don't want to acknowledge that.

I am only running a 5 lb pulley during the break in period. Once I get the bugs worked out I am going to put a 7 lb pulley on it. I should still be able to run 93 octane pump gas. When I take it to the track I am going to put a 10 lb pulley on it, run racing fuel, and adjust the timing to compensate.

This car was not built to be a show car but it being shown while I work out the bugs just to get some enjoyment out of it. It was also not built to be a race car. I built it to go on cruises and enjoy the interaction with other car enthusiast.

BTW........those that are comparing a minivan with a muscle car make me laugh. Muscle cars were not built for cornering. Mostly they were for street racing in straight lines. Roadsters, such as vettes, were for cornering and road racing! Typically, muscle cars built by the factories were considered to be the 65 - 72 years. The early 50's and 60's cars were considered muscle cars only after engine transplants to compete on the street.

[HemiEd]

It has a B&M 144 underhood supercharger. Some people don't like the smaller blowers but it allows me to keep everything under the hood and it is a roots style blower so I get the torque benefits off idle and it carries it through about 5500 - 6000 rpm. So it has a pretty broad torque curve. Besides.......5-7 pounds of boost is 5-7 pounds of boost no matter what the blower size. Those running 6-71 blowers don't want to acknowledge that.

I am only running a 5 lb pulley during the break in period. Once I get the bugs worked out I am going to put a 7 lb pulley on it. I should still be able to run 93 octane pump gas. When I take it to the track I am going to put a 10 lb pulley on it, run racing fuel, and adjust the timing to compensate.

This car was not built to be a show car but it being shown while I work out the bugs just to get some enjoyment out of it. It was also not built to be a race car. I built it to go on cruises and enjoy the interaction with other car enthusiast.

BTW........those that are comparing a minivan with a muscle car make me laugh. Muscle cars were not built for cornering. Mostly they were for street racing in straight lines. Roadsters, such as vettes, were for cornering and road racing! Typically, muscle cars built by the factories were considered to be the 65 - 72 years. The early 50's and 60's cars were considered muscle cars only after engine transplants to compete on the street.

Thanks a lot, I have never fooled with one, but am very intrigued by the thought of putting one on.
What are the blowers street manners like, if you don't mind me asking?

[FRCDFED]

Thanks a lot, I have never fooled with one, but am very intrigued by the thought of putting one on.
What are the blowers street manners like, if you don't mind me asking?
This one is extremely friendly! I am running a mild dual pattern blower cam 276/292 duration with around 534/534 lift. A blower motor idles a little smoother than a non-blower motor so at times it can be deceiving how much power the motor actually makes. You want around a 114 lobe centerline on the camshaft so you don't bleed off any of the boost and maximize the benefits. Also, most blower motors run rich when not under WOT (wide open throttle) and you can foul a plug on occasion. I believe I'm running around 32-34 degrees advance on the timing. If you run a boost reference ignition system (MSD 6BTM) then you can set your timing to be most efficient at WOT and then used the BTM to retard the timing when just cruising on the street.

[Bowser]

My folks owned a '57 Chevy and the first year model 442 Oldsmobile when I was born. They traded them in shortly after for a family truckster. :(

My first car was a Starsky and Hutch - 1974 Gran Torino, with a 351 Windsor under the hood. Nice, nice car.

This is the color mine was, but mine had open wheel wells in the back, and only about half of the roof was vinyl.....

[Bowser]

If I ever get the means, THIS is my dream car (or one of them, I should say)......

[pikesome]

If I ever get the means, THIS is my dream car (or one of them, I should say)......
Not a bad choice. Let me retort:
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/images/camaro650.jpg
A ZL1 Camaro 1969

[HemiEd]

This one is extremely friendly! I am running a mild dual pattern blower cam 276/292 duration with around 534/534 lift. A blower motor idles a little smoother than a non-blower motor so at times it can be deceiving how much power the motor actually makes. You want around a 114 lobe centerline on the camshaft so you don't bleed off any of the boost and maximize the benefits. Also, most blower motors run rich when not under WOT (wide open throttle) and you can foul a plug on occasion. I believe I'm running around 32-34 degrees advance on the timing. If you run a boost reference ignition system (MSD 6BTM) then you can set your timing to be most efficient at WOT and then used the BTM to retard the timing when just cruising on the street.

Doesn't sound too radical at all. I have been wanting to do something unusual to my little 340 Stroker Motor. It is .020 over, .200 Billet stroker crank, Eagle H Beam rods, Wiseco 500 gram flat tops, Tool steel light pins. It was all new stuff, left over from the Nascar truck early days. It makes 358 Cubes.
I currently have a Comp solid 490 lift 280 duration cam ground on 112. I ported the good 340 heads myself, Harlan Sharp roller rockers. Mopar race electronic ignition with no vacuum advance. I have a little 625 Edelbrock carb on it now, runs really well.
Do you have an Edelbrock carb setting on top of the blower?

[Bowser]

Not a bad choice. Let me retort:
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/images/camaro650.jpg
A ZL1 Camaro 1969

Hmmm. Tough to decide. I guess we'll just have to take them down the quarter mile to help make my mind up. :D

[MYKCCHIEFS]

My current car is a 1993 Indianapolis Pacecar Camaro. 396ci, TH400, Nitrous, blah, blah, blah.

My old car was a 1987 Buick Regal Turbo-T. It was pretty quick for a 6 with a hair dryer.

[FRCDFED]

Doesn't sound too radical at all. I have been wanting to do something unusual to my little 340 Stroker Motor. It is .020 over, .200 Billet stroker crank, Eagle H Beam rods, Wiseco 500 gram flat tops, Tool steel light pins. It was all new stuff, left over from the Nascar truck early days. It makes 358 Cubes.
I currently have a Comp solid 490 lift 280 duration cam ground on 112. I ported the good 340 heads myself, Harlan Sharp roller rockers. Mopar race electronic ignition with no vacuum advance. I have a little 625 Edelbrock carb on it now, runs really well.
Do you have an Edelbrock carb setting on top of the blower?
These mini-blowers will give you approximately 25% - 40% additional hp and torque if set up properly. Static compression plays a significant role in how much boost you can run. Initially my motor wasn't set up for a blower and underperformed on the dyno. Static compression was around 9.5-1 and was around 13-1 under WOT or full boost with a 5 lb pulley. Ideally (from what I've researched) you want your static compression to be around 8 or 8.5-1 so you can run a little more boost. A head swap the the APR Eliminator 195 heads achieved that for me. Plus the larger intake runners and bigger valves allowed me to flow a little more air. I would definately recommend that you find an experienced blower guy to help you set it up initially and dial in the timing.

Blowers are the fastest way to make incredulous amounts of hp in the right setup.

[MIAdragon]

trying to post a video

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/f79/twin-turbo-s197-dyno-tuning-87809.html

[HemiEd]

These mini-blowers will give you approximately 25% - 40% additional hp and torque if set up properly. Static compression plays a significant role in how much boost you can run. Initially my motor wasn't set up for a blower and underperformed on the dyno. Static compression was around 9.5-1 and was around 13-1 under WOT or full boost with a 5 lb pulley. Ideally (from what I've researched) you want your static compression to be around 8 or 8.5-1 so you can run a little more boost. A head swap the the APR Eliminator 195 heads achieved that for me. Plus the larger intake runners and bigger valves allowed me to flow a little more air. I would definately recommend that you find an experienced blower guy to help you set it up initially and dial in the timing.

Blowers are the fastest way to make incredulous amounts of hp in the right setup.

That is great advice, I have the largest combustion chamber heads made for the sbchrysler. But, I bought pistons, with the pin .o20 added to the pin height. Less than .010 in the hole, flat tops. Guessing the compression ratio some where around 11. It gets 195 to 210 on the compression tester off of the starter. :D

[Frosty]

My first car was a Starsky and Hutch - 1974 Gran Torino, with a 351 Windsor under the hood. Nice, nice car.

Heh. So was mine. It was dark green with a vinyl roof. Not a muscle car by any means but a lot of fun for a 16 year old. A little too fun actually, as my dad made me get rid of it after I lost control of it on a turn and bounced it off of a curb up onto a hedge, where it sat with all four tires off of the ground. :rolleyes:

The next car was a '67 Bug with a 40 HP motor. No power slides in that one. :shake:

[El Jefe]

Man there is a lot of Slo-Par j/k fans here. I agree with Skip I think the older models are ugly.

[morphius]

A “kit car” I assume?
Yeah, a kit. He is doing it as a test to see how much work he wants to do on rebuilding the "frog", his green 50's Buick that he bought when he was a teenager.

Real would be nice, but I would be almost be terrified to drive an original one.

[El Jefe]

Im not a big fan of the kit cars, I like to resurrect something that I buy from someone or if I have to, I will get it from the Boneyard.

[HemiEd]

Man there is a lot of Slo-Par j/k fans here. I agree with Skip I think the older models are ugly.

What is an "older model?" When this car came out, the CEO of GM laid a picture of it on the head designers desk of Chevrolet, and told he should quit. Virgel Exner, the head of design at Chrysler, was not very conservative in the 50s.
Time has not been as kind to the design, as is has to the more conservative Chevys, but at the time, they were considered the prettiest cars.
Chrysler did it again in the 90s, little doubt they had the best looking line up in the 90s.

[El Jefe]

Any Mopar from the 50s up, there are very few I find that I like. The Charger is ok. I like the old Chevelle's, Corvette's, the Bel-Air's, Impala's etc. I mean sure GM had some real ugly ones too but I think Mopar has a lot more unattractive cars. Like the Daytona with that almost laughable fin on the back.

[HemiEd]

Any Mopar from the 50s up, there are very few I find that I like. The Charger is ok. I like the old Chevelle's, Corvette's, the Bel-Air's, Impala's etc. I mean sure GM had some real ugly ones too but I think Mopar has a lot more unattractive cars. Like the Daytona with that almost laughable fin on the back.

They did the wind tunnel testing on the Daytona at WSU, back before they released them in 1969. There were several running around town, I thought they were ugly then, and I still think the Daytona's and Superbirds are ugly now.
However, they dominated NASCAR at the time, that is the only reason they were made. It was was very difficult trying to keep 4,500 pound cars glued to the track on bias ply tires at 200mph. The fin and the nose cone worked very well.
They were never intended to be a consumer car, NASCAR required at the time, you had to sell 500 of a car to compete with it.
I don't think they have that requirement anymore, because you can not go buy a 2 door Charger, Camry, Fusion etc.

[morphius]

Im not a big fan of the kit cars, I like to resurrect something that I buy from someone or if I have to, I will get it from the Boneyard.
Well, if you can find a Cobra sitting around let us know...

lol

[El Jefe]

Well, if you can find a Cobra sitting around let us know...

lol


Good point :clap: . If you found one it would break the bank to get it.

[HemiEd]

Well, if you can find a Cobra sitting around let us know...

lol

No kidding, and I would even take one of those ugly winged cars. ROFL

I have a friend that bought one of these. (http://www.superformance.com/)

He put a 460 Ford crate motor in it and weighs 2625 lbs.

[joemama]

BUICK V6 MUSCLE

[CODE]<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i301/jessicamarks77/7.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>

[El Jefe]

I love the Buicks, especially the old Regals, they look a bit like the Cutlass in a couple years. If you could get a Turbo Regal those things will straight get it.

[Radar Chief]

They did the wind tunnel testing on the Daytona at WSU, back before they released them in 1969. There were several running around town, I thought they were ugly then, and I still think the Daytona's and Superbirds are ugly now.
However, they dominated NASCAR at the time, that is the only reason they were made. It was was very difficult trying to keep 4,500 pound cars glued to the track on bias ply tires at 200mph. The fin and the nose cone worked very well.
They were never intended to be a consumer car, NASCAR required at the time, you had to sell 500 of a car to compete with it.
I don't think they have that requirement anymore, because you can not go buy a 2 door Charger, Camry, Fusion etc.

Homologation. Superbikes run with a similar rule and it includes the actual parts used to build the race bike. Those parts also have to be available to the general public in certain numbers before they can be used. Moto GP doesn’t have that rule and is the “anything goes” class, within weight requirements of course.

[HemiEd]

Homologation. Superbikes run with a similar rule and it includes the actual parts used to build the race bike. Those parts also have to be available to the general public in certain numbers before they can be used. Moto GP doesn’t have that rule and is the “anything goes” class, within weight requirements of course.

Interesting, I did not know that. Sounds like a great rule to me.

I liked the older NASCAR better, the cars were actually somewhat similar to something you could buy.
I have a friend that has an ARCA (http://www.arcaracing.com/) car, NASCAR minor leagues I guess. I crawled under it, around it, inside and out. It was to a regular Chevy Monte Carlo, what John Forces Funny car is to a Mustang. ROFL

Holy crap, nothing, not one thing, even resembles something that came from the dealership. ROFL

[morphius]

No kidding, and I would even take one of those ugly winged cars. ROFL

I have a friend that bought one of these. (http://www.superformance.com/)

He put a 460 Ford crate motor in it and weighs 2625 lbs.
Wow, that sounds pretty beefy. Dad is just tossing a 351 in his.

[Radar Chief]

Interesting, I did not know that. Sounds like a great rule to me.

I liked the older NASCAR better, the cars were actually somewhat similar to something you could buy.
I have a friend that has an ARCA (http://www.arcaracing.com/) car, NASCAR minor leagues I guess. I crawled under it, around it, inside and out. It was to a regular Chevy Monte Carlo, what John Forces Funny car is to a Mustang. ROFL

Holy crap, nothing, not one thing, even resembles something that came from the dealership. ROFL

Agreed, but I’m not much of a NASCAR fan. They lost me with the restrictor plates and vehicle bodies that have to match a NASCAR approved template.

[HemiEd]

Wow, that sounds pretty beefy. Dad is just tossing a 351 in his.

If it was me, I would go small block as well. Handling has got to be better. Of course, does a 351 really qualify as a small block? That has always confused me.

You gotta know my friend Scott though, the only small engine in his stable of 14 collector cars, is his 68 Z28. LMAO

[Radar Chief]

Wow, that sounds pretty beefy. Dad is just tossing a 351 in his.

Just a stock carbed 351?
I’d try to talk him into tricking it out at least a little.

[Radar Chief]

If it was me, I would go small block as well. Handling has got to be better. Of course, does a 351 really qualify as a small block? That has always confused me.

You gotta know my friend Scott though, the only small engine in his stable of 14 collector cars, is his 68 Z28. LMAO

That sounds like my Gear Head Uncle. He sold me the only small block toy he had. ;)

[morphius]

If it was me, I would go small block as well. Handling has got to be better. Of course, does a 351 really qualify as a small block? That has always confused me.

You gotta know my friend Scott though, the only small engine in his stable of 14 collector cars, is his 68 Z28. LMAO
I don't think you get into big blocks until you get over 400ci, I'm almost sure the Chevy 396 was even a small block.

[HemiEd]

Agreed, but I’m not much of a NASCAR fan. They lost me with the restrictor plates and vehicle bodies that have to match a NASCAR approved template.

I only watch them a little, if I am totally out of something else to do. Last Sunday, I watched it a little, it was hot outside and I was tuckered out from Golf. Gotta root them Dodges on!

No kidding on the restrictor plates. But it is still better than what they did to the Mopars back in the 60s, basically outlawing their motors because they were too fast.

Joe 6Pak, with the confederate flag in the back window of his pickup, has to have a Bowtie win! 3 8 20 24 48!

I wonder what is going to happen, once they give those Camry's enough of a weight break, when they finally win a race? LMAO

[morphius]

Just a stock carbed 351?
I’d try to talk him into tricking it out at least a little.
It isn't stock, but it doesn't have a super or turbo on it either.

[HemiEd]

I don't think you get into big blocks until you get over 400ci, I'm almost sure the Chevy 396 was even a small block.
396 was a big block, same as 427 and 454, Chrysler made a 350, 361 and 383 big block.

[morphius]

396 was a big block, same as 427 and 454, Chrysler made a 350, 361 and 383 big block.
Damn it to hell, and yet why the hell have a 350 Big Block, just needed more weight?

[HemiEd]

Damn it to hell, and yet why the hell have a 350 Big Block, just needed more weight?

350 was kind of big, in 1958, the 392 Hemi being the exception.
The 350, was the first year Plymouth (58) B motor, which was 361 in the Dodge. That was the end of a long era of Dodge having a little larger bore/displacement than the Plymouths.
Back in the I-6 days, Plymouth, Dodge, Desoto and Chrysler all had basically the same engine, with the bore size getting progressively bigger up the line from Plymouth to Chrysler.
The B motor, grew into the RB motor (raised deck accomodating a longer stroke) 413, 426 and 440. They did make a "Golden Lion" RB 383 in 59 and 60 Chrysler only though.

[morphius]

350 was kind of big, in 1958, the 392 Hemi being the exception.
The 350, was the first year Plymouth (58) B motor, which was 361 in the Dodge. That was the end of a long era of Dodge having a little larger bore/displacement than the Plymouths.
Back in the I-6 days, Plymouth, Dodge, Desoto and Chrysler all had basically the same engine, with the bore size getting progressively bigger up the line from Plymouth to Chrysler.
The B motor, grew into the RB motor (raised deck accomodating a longer stroke) 413, 426 and 440. They did make a "Golden Lion" RB 383 in 59 and 60 Chrysler only though.
Ahh, I figured that it was probably a 50's motor.

You'd have loved my Uncles garage, 3 Road Runners (I know one had a 6 pack, another a Hemi, and can't remember the other), a GTX, some other Dodge brand car and the 68 GTO convertible.

[HemiEd]

Ahh, I figured that it was probably a 50's motor.

You'd have loved my Uncles garage, 3 Road Runners (I know one had a 6 pack, another a Hemi, and can't remember the other), a GTX, some other Dodge brand car and the 68 GTO convertible.

The 6 pack car a 69 1/2? If so, very valuable piece, they were very limited production and did not even come with hub caps. There is almost a cult following those cars, including the 691/2 Super Bee with the same set up.
What year is the Hemi car? Your Uncle sounds like a heck of a guy! He who dies with the most toys wins!

[Radar Chief]

396 was a big block, same as 427 and 454, Chrysler made a 350, 361 and 383 big block.

And just to add to the confusion, GM at one point made a 348 big block then later on made a 400 small block. ;)

[Radar Chief]

It isn't stock, but it doesn't have a super or turbo on it either.

:thumb:

[HemiEd]

And just to add to the confusion, GM at one point made a 348 big block then later on made a 400 small block. ;)

I loved the 348/377(?)/409. You and I discussed that in your gear head thread I think. I am not positive about the 377, but I am pretty sure they made that version for trucks. I know the 409 ended up in trucks.

Ford is the one I have never been able to figure out though, they did some really strange stuff. The 351 is the one that has always confused me, Cleveland and Windsor.
Even after this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=117883) I still can not destinguish the difference. I think the Cleveland has a lot bigger head. :shrug:

[Radar Chief]

I loved the 348/377(?)/409. You and I discussed that in your gear head thread I think. I am not positive about the 377, but I am pretty sure they made that version for trucks. I know the 409 ended up in trucks.

She’s real fine, my 409. My 4 Ohhh 9.

Ford is the one I have never been able to figure out though, they did some really strange stuff. The 351 is the one that has always confused me, Cleveland and Windsor.
Even after this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=117883) I still can not destinguish the difference. I think the Cleveland has a lot bigger head. :shrug:

Wasn’t the Cleveland an aluminum block motor?

[HemiEd]

Wasn’t the Cleveland an aluminum block motor?

I am pretty sure that it wasn't, that would not have gotten by me, I don't think. That is the first I ever heard that.
I know the heads are really good race friendly design though. It seems like they are similar to those good Pontiac heads from the early 70s. I am pretty sure the blocks are even totally different castings.
Why? I have no idea.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Beach Boys
She’s real fine, my 409. My 4 Ohhh 9.

My first 45 I ever purchased. :)

[morphius]

The 6 pack car a 69 1/2? If so, very valuable piece, they were very limited production and did not even come with hub caps. There is almost a cult following those cars, including the 691/2 Super Bee with the same set up.
What year is the Hemi car? Your Uncle sounds like a heck of a guy! He who dies with the most toys wins!


I seem to remember him mentioning that it was a 69 1/2. I don't remember the year on the Hemi, it was one of the stripped down for track cars, I don't even think it came with a stereo. It has been about 14 years since I have seen his toy shed. I remember the GTX was still a project car at the time, the last owner had replaced the interior with some nice red velvet, lol!