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C-Mac
07-31-2007, 08:42 AM
Search on for Chiefs punt returner
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs camp buzz
RIVER FALLS, Wis. | Ean Randolph caught a punt at a recent Chiefs training-camp practice and immediately took the ball straight up the field. He didn’t hesitate or dance while waiting for a bigger hole to develop, as his predecessor took to doing.

At that moment, it became evident the Chiefs’ return game will look different without Dante Hall. But will it be better?

“Those are big shoes to fill,” said Randolph, a rookie free agent from South Florida. “He was my favorite to watch. He would make people look bad.”

Randolph was describing the Hall of previous seasons, but not of last year. He clearly lost his ability to affect a game, he and the Chiefs became disenchanted with each other, and finally in the spring he was traded to St. Louis.

Randolph, small and quick like Hall, is at the head of a line of punt returners that also includes wide receiver Samie Parker. Another receiver, Jeff Webb, will probably be the kickoff returner.

The Chiefs need that tandem to give them more than Hall did last season. Their offense, possibly with a young starting quarterback in Brodie Croyle and without the star running back in Larry Johnson, could struggle, at least early in the season.

“We have to be a better return team,” coach Herm Edwards said. “Our return game is going to be a big factor for us.

“We’ve got some guys who will go (up the field). They’ll get it, hit the seam and run.”

That was a not-so-subtle dig at Hall, who was a favorite of former head coach Dick Vermeil’s but never meshed with Edwards and his special-teams coach, Mike Priefer.

“He was treated differently by the previous staff,” Preifer said. “This head coach and myself are not into babying players. I’m going to treat them like men and treat them with respect. I guess it wasn’t enough. He was in the tank a lot. His attitude wasn’t what it should have been. After a while, I don’t know if he wanted to buy into what the head coach was preaching or what I was trying to get done.”

They probably won’t have that problem with Randolph, a wide-eyed rookie. He played only one season in major college but made the most of it. He led the Big East and was fourth in the country with a 14.8-yard average.

“I love returning punts,” he said. “You don’t have time to think. You just do what you’ve got to do to try to make people miss.”

The Chiefs, with their desperate need for a punt returner after trading Hall, contemplated drafting Randolph in the seventh round. They passed but made him a priority in free-agency.

“I ranked the top 18 or 20 punt returners available in the draft, and he was probably eighth or ninth,” Priefer said. “The reason he was that low is that he played only one year in (major) college. If he had played for two or three years, he would have been a lot higher.

“He has some toughness. He’ll catch the ball in a crowd. He’s very, very quick with that first step. He’s getting better at catching the ball. He’s still not as consistent as he needs to be.”

Parker and a reserve cornerback, Justin Phinisee, are fall-back candidates. Both are more reliable punt catchers than Randolph but don’t provide his big-play ability.

“With a rookie returner, we’ve got to make very sure that we trust him and that he’s not going to turn the ball over,” Priefer said. “I don’t care if he makes big plays the first couple of weeks. I just want to make sure he’s going to catch the ball.”

Edwards said the Chiefs might use different returners depending on the situation. Randolph would return when fielding punts near midfield, when a turnover wouldn’t necessarily be costly.

They would then use a veteran like Parker or even Eddie Kennison when fielding a punt deeper in their own end of the field.

“Hopefully, we’ll find just one guy,” Edwards said. “We don’t want to have to do it that way, but if we have to, we have to.”

Webb showed ability as a kickoff returner while Hall was injured last season. He had a 50-yard return in a narrow win over Arizona.

“Dante taught me so much,” Webb said. “I had meetings with him every Thursday at his house during the season to watch film. We looked at a lot of things other teams try to do to stop returns. He took me under his wing. Now I’m using what I learned from him to my advantage.

“My thing is to hit it hard and if you catch me, you catch me. I can’t be like Dante. I’m not going to make as many people miss. I’m not going to outrun as many people. I’m not a shake-and-bake guy. I’m a straight-forward runner.”

El Jefe
07-31-2007, 08:47 AM
I like Jeff Webb back there. I have been a big fan of his since we drafted him, he has some potential IMO.

OnTheWarpath15
07-31-2007, 08:49 AM
“We’ve got some guys who will go (up the field). They’ll get it, hit the seam and run.”

That was a not-so-subtle dig at Hall, who was a favorite of former head coach Dick Vermeil’s but never meshed with Edwards and his special-teams coach, Mike Priefer.

“He was treated differently by the previous staff,” Preifer said. “This head coach and myself are not into babying players. I’m going to treat them like men and treat them with respect. I guess it wasn’t enough. He was in the tank a lot. His attitude wasn’t what it should have been. After a while, I don’t know if he wanted to buy into what the head coach was preaching or what I was trying to get done.”

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Direckshun
07-31-2007, 08:50 AM
First of all, how ****ing awesome is it that Pfeifer called out Vermeil's babying?

Secondly, who drafts a Division III tight end over this guy?

Thirdly, I never pegged Dante as a mentor type guy.

Fourthly, I'm moderately excited for Randolph, and will feel a lot better about the whole deal once he's considered as safe as Phinisee and Parker receiving punts

Chiefnj2
07-31-2007, 08:55 AM
Priefer should accomplish something in KC before criticizing the old regime.

crazycoffey
07-31-2007, 08:59 AM
First of all, how ****ing awesome is it that Pfeifer called out Vermeil's babying?

Secondly, who drafts a Division III tight end over this guy?

Thirdly, I never pegged Dante as a mentor type guy.

Fourthly, I'm moderately excited for Randolph, and will feel a lot better about the whole deal once he's considered as safe as Phinisee and Parker receiving punts


1) I wouldn't say it's awesome that he called it out, DV's ways did work in many instances, it is great that he shows us the difference and shares with us how those differences had effects on some players and why they aren't with us anymore.

2) I guess alot of people passed on him :shrug: are you refering to our last pick? We ended up with both, so I guess it worked out anyway.

3) I never pegged him as a mentor guy either, I think that was the biggest surprise in the article, for me anyway.

4) Amen.....

pikesome
07-31-2007, 09:00 AM
Priefer should accomplish something in KC before criticizing the old regime.

One could say that trading Hall was a good first step.

the Talking Can
07-31-2007, 09:05 AM
"He was treated differently by the previous staff,” Preifer said. “This head coach and myself are not into babying players. I’m going to treat them like men and treat them with respect. I guess it wasn’t enough. He was in the tank a lot. His attitude wasn’t what it should have been. After a while, I don’t know if he wanted to buy into what the head coach was preaching or what I was trying to get done.”



wow...that's is as candid a criticism of one coach to another as I've seen in a while. The special teams coach just drove his own bus right over DV...

crazycoffey
07-31-2007, 09:05 AM
One could say that trading Hall was a good first step.



I'd bet more than one could say that.....
I liked Dante and I'm pulling for him to do well in St. Louie, but it was painfully clear that he wasn't going to be successful here anymore. Good move for the team and for the player.

pikesome
07-31-2007, 09:06 AM
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wow...that's is as candid a criticism of one coach to another as I've seen in a while. The special teams coach just drove his own bus right over DV...

I would say that he drove over Hall but Dicky was standing there with a hand on his shoulder.

Chiefnj2
07-31-2007, 09:10 AM
One could say that trading Hall was a good first step.

Or, one could be of the opinion that Hall wasn't the main problem. A huge turnover in special teams players and poor blocking may have been much bigger problems.

the Talking Can
07-31-2007, 09:12 AM
I would say that he drove over Hall but Dicky was standing there with a hand on his shoulder.

well, this is a pretty clear indictment of DV's ways:

“He was treated differently by the previous staff,” Preifer said. “This head coach and myself are not into babying players.

pikesome
07-31-2007, 09:15 AM
Or, one could be of the opinion that Hall wasn't the main problem. A huge turnover in special teams players and poor blocking may have been much bigger problems.

Hall wasn't mentally there the last season. You could see it in how he played and his interviews. Is that Hall's fault or the staff? It doesn't matter. I agree with the above, I hope he does well in St Louis but he needed to leave here. The environment Hall was used to wasn't and was never going to be the one Herm and Co have. Hall wasn't, even at his best, worth changing your coaching philosophy for.

Chiefnj2
07-31-2007, 09:19 AM
Hall wasn't mentally there the last season. You could see it in how he played and his interviews. Is that Hall's fault or the staff? It doesn't matter. I agree with the above, I hope he does well in St Louis but he needed to leave here. The environment Hall was used to wasn't and was never going to be the one Herm and Co have. Hall wasn't, even at his best, worth changing your coaching philosophy for.

We dont' know if he was there mentally or not. All the reports were written in a manner to criticize the guy. Then today, for the first time we learn that he was a big mentor to some of the young guys.

If babying offensive players means the Chiefs will have a top 5 offense, then baby away.

pikesome
07-31-2007, 09:26 AM
If babying offensive players means the Chiefs will have a top 5 offense, then baby away.

The goal should be a bit higher than a top 5 O. I'd like to win a playoff game or two in the same year. The DV Chiefs never struck me as being mentally tough and I would guess that came from the top. I don't know Herm's going to do any better but I welcome the change. Lets try a different tack instead of the "we need to score 5 TDs to win" of the Dv Chiefs.

DMAC
07-31-2007, 09:29 AM
“He was treated differently by the previous staff,” Preifer said. “This head coach and myself are not into babying players. I’m going to treat them like men and treat them with respect. I guess it wasn’t enough. He was in the tank a lot. His attitude wasn’t what it should have been. After a while, I don’t know if he wanted to buy into what the head coach was preaching or what I was trying to get done.”

HA, he's right at home on the lambs then.

Wile_E_Coyote
07-31-2007, 10:47 AM
Preifer will rue the day he let Eric Hicks go

Fish
07-31-2007, 10:52 AM
If babying offensive players means the Chiefs will have a top 5 offense, then baby away.

What good is a top 5 offense if we're not tough enough to handle ourselves with composure in the playoffs?

I'd take a bottom 5 offense if the team as a whole can simply compete in the playoffs....

StcChief
07-31-2007, 11:19 AM
HA, he's right at home on the lambs then.
and they think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

With their really bad ST. He will be lucky to have it better her in Lambs land.

Likely will W a game for them. But could easily Lose 1 or More.

Chiefnj2
07-31-2007, 11:28 AM
What good is a top 5 offense if we're not tough enough to handle ourselves with composure in the playoffs?

I'd take a bottom 5 offense if the team as a whole can simply compete in the playoffs....

A bottom 5 offense isn't going to get you into the playoffs. You need to be able to score points. I'm just continually amazed that the new staff keeps taking shots at former offensive players.

Spicy McHaggis
07-31-2007, 11:48 AM
The Chiefs, with their desperate need for a punt returner after trading Hall, contemplated drafting Randolph in the seventh round. They passed but made him a priority in free-agency.”

Desperate need seems a bit over the top. It kind of makes the insinuation that the Chiefs had no contingency plan for when they traded Dante or at least that the move lacked any sort of forethought. The Chiefs obviously liked what they had seen from a couple young guys and decided to keep with the (sometimes) plan of getting youth and energy into a position that had become lackluster.

Dante may go and light it up in St. Louis. I kind of hope he does. It won't make me feel any differently about the decision to send him though. The Chiefs evaluated his value to their organization and got more in a trade than he (Dante) was worth IMO.

CoMoChief
07-31-2007, 11:56 AM
I still don't like the fact that we traded Dante Hall. Though I'm happy what we got for him, I still wish he was our return specialist. He was good for a couple TD's a season.

RustShack
07-31-2007, 12:04 PM
Ever since we picked Randolph up I've been saying he will be our PR/KR, I still do hope he gets the job. With Parker 2nd in line.

Reerun_KC
07-31-2007, 12:16 PM
A bottom 5 offense isn't going to get you into the playoffs. You need to be able to score points. I'm just continually amazed that the new staff keeps taking shots at former offensive players.

When you are a pathetic at best coaching staff and worse head coach, you have to take shots at people that are no longer around. This gives them a sense of being and acceptance around your players and staff.

when Herm stops his antics and actually does something in the playoffs, then he can have room to talk. DV won a superbowl, Herm will never coach a superbowl team.

FYI, I am just as glad as everyone else that DV is gone... Now if Carl, Herm and Co would just leave....

Inspector
07-31-2007, 12:38 PM
Isn't Vanover available via a work / release program?

Would the ankle bracelet cause a problem?