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Braincase
08-04-2007, 02:09 PM
Link (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2194682.ece)

August 4, 2007

China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate

The rules effectively exclude the Dali Lama from any role in recognising a living Buddha

Tibet’s living Buddhas have been banned from reincarnation without permission from China’s atheist leaders. The ban is included in new rules intended to assert Beijing’s authority over Tibet’s restive and deeply Buddhist people.

“The so-called reincarnated living Buddha without government approval is illegal and invalid,” according to the order, which comes into effect on September 1.

The 14-part regulation issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs is aimed at limiting the influence of Tibet’s exiled god-king, the Dalai Lama, and at preventing the re-incarnation of the 72-year-old monk without approval from Beijing.

It is the latest in a series of measures by the Communist authorities to tighten their grip over Tibet. Reincarnate lamas, known as tulkus, often lead religious communities and oversee the training of monks, giving them enormous influence over religious life in the Himalayan region. Anyone outside China is banned from taking part in the process of seeking and recognising a living Buddha, effectively excluding the Dalai Lama, who traditionally can play an important role in giving recognition to candidate reincarnates.

For the first time China has given the Government the power to ensure that no new living Buddha can be identified, sounding a possible death knell to a mystical system that dates back at least as far as the 12th century.

China already insists that only the Government can approve the appointments of Tibet’s two most important monks, the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama’s announcement in May 1995 that a search inside Tibet — and with the co- operation of a prominent abbot — had identified the 11th reincarnation of the Panchen Lama, who died in 1989, enraged Beijing. That prompted the Communist authorities to restart the search and to send a senior Politburo member to Lhasa to oversee the final choice. This resulted in top Communist officials presiding over a ceremony at the main Jokhang temple in Lhasa in which names of three boys inscribed on ivory sticks were placed inside a golden urn and a lot was then drawn to find the true reincarnation.

The boy chosen by the Dalai Lama has disappeared. The abbot who worked with the Dalai Lama was jailed and has since vanished. Several sets of rules on seeking out “soul boys” were promulgated in 1995, but were effectively in abeyance and hundreds of living Buddhas are now believed to live inside and outside China.

All Tibetans believe in reincarnation, but only the holiest or most outstanding individuals are believed to be recognisable — a tulku, or apparent body. One Tibetan monk told The Times: “In the past there was no such regulation. The management of living Buddhas is becoming more strict.”

The search for a reincarnation is a mystical process involving clues left by the deceased and visions among leading monks on where to look. The current Dalai Lama, the fourteenth of the line, was identified in 1937 when monks came to his village.

China has long insisted that it must have the final say over the appointment of the most senior lamas. Tibet experts said that the new regulations may also be aimed at limiting the influence of new lamas.

Rain Man
08-04-2007, 02:12 PM
If you're going to oppress someone, it's best to oppress the most peaceful people on earth. Sounds pretty smart to me.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-04-2007, 02:13 PM
100 and I got approval from the Chinese dictatorship to say that.

Nightwish
08-04-2007, 02:17 PM
China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate
This merits only one response: Huh?

On your scale of 1 to 10, can we go for 10 to exponential powers of 10? I always thought our own legal system with its tendency to sometimes give several consecutive life sentences was a little out there, but this takes the cake!

BucEyedPea
08-04-2007, 02:23 PM
Well, I'd say China has no effective jurisdiction over the supernational realm of existence since these folks can come back to another country or planet for that matter. They just can't stop it...not even a totalitarian. Just goes to show, that
one can scratch some atheists and still find some true spiritual believers deep down inside.

ChiefaRoo
08-04-2007, 02:24 PM
It'll just drive the religion underground. It won't destroy it.

chagrin
08-04-2007, 02:29 PM
Well, I'd say China has no effective jurisdiction over the supernational realm of existence since these folks can come back to another country or planet for that matter. They just can't stop it...not even a totalitarian. Just goes to show, that
one can scratch some atheists and still find some true spiritual believers deep down inside.

Is it possible at all for you to turn off the rhetoric for even 1 post?

Calcountry
08-04-2007, 02:33 PM
Dammit, I forgot the Chines government when I was trying to come up with rhymes for Tynes.

Phobia
08-04-2007, 03:05 PM
I'm gonna need to wait for Big Daddy to tell me how to vote in this poll.

Braincase
08-04-2007, 04:11 PM
Dammit, I forgot the Chines government when I was trying to come up with rhymes for Tynes.

Ptttttttttttt! :harumph:

kepp
08-04-2007, 04:33 PM
100 and I got approval from the Chinese dictatorship to say that.
"May you come back as Wonda Moss' undagahment!"

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/team_america__world_police/adversary.jpg

Okay...so he's not Chinese.

KC Jones
08-04-2007, 04:36 PM
I don't know that they are stupid. Assholes? yes. Evil pieces of crap? yes.

However, they pretty much own our currency at this point - and they have every company in the world bending over just for the chance to maybe get into their market in a limited and controlled fashion. Look at the freaking deal Microsoft just made - practically giving them everything just to make sure the Chinese don't use Linux.

Adept Havelock
08-04-2007, 04:48 PM
However, they pretty much own our currency at this point - and they have every company in the world bending over just for the chance to maybe get into their market in a limited and controlled fashion. Look at the freaking deal Microsoft just made - practically giving them everything just to make sure the Chinese don't use Linux.

No kidding. Not to mention Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and others bending over to help the Gerontocrats in Bejing stay in power by turning over the names of bloggers and others who post anti-ChiCom material.

I keep wondering what will happen in a generation or so, when the Entrepreneurs go head-to-head with the Gerontocracy. Considering how much of the military upgrade is being funded by the Entrepreneurs I'm not certain which side the Army will come down on when that day comes.

No illegal reincarnations? Good luck enforcing that one. It's a 10.

crazycoffey
08-04-2007, 04:56 PM
Is "Dumb" on this dumb-meter scale a "1" or a "10"

Smed1065
08-04-2007, 05:05 PM
I would post here but they might come get me after that incident in 1695.
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