Kansas City Royals @ Chicago White Sox Game Thread (8/20)

[alnorth]

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<td>Final</td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 2 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 6 </td><td> 7 </td><td> 8 </td><td> 9 </td><td> R </td><td> H </td><td> E </td></tr>
<tr> <td>KC (55-69)</td> <td> 0 </td> <td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 9 </td><td> 0 </td></tr>
<tr> <td>CWS (55-69)</td> <td> 0 </td> <td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> X </td><td> 4 </td><td> 10 </td><td> 0 </td></tr>
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Gil Meche 5.2IP 2R 2ER 2BB 6K
Hold, (11) Jimmy Gobble 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Blown Save, (3); Loss, (1-3) David Riske 0.1IP 2R 2ER 0BB 0K
Zack Greinke 1.2IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

VS.

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Mark Buehrle 5.1IP 3R 3ER 2BB 4K
Ehren Wassermann 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Win, (4-4) Matt Thornton 1.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Ryan Bukvich 0IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Hold, (8) Boone Logan 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Hold, (16) Mike MacDougal 0.2IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Save, (34) Bobby Jenks 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Esteban German, 3B
2. David DeJesus, CF
3. Mark Grudzielanek, 2B
4. Billy Butler, DH
5. Emil Brown, RF
6. Alex Gordon, 1B
7. John Buck, C
7. Ross Gload, ph
7. Jason LaRue, C
8. Tony Pena Jr, SS
8. Jason Smith, ph/SS
9. Joey Gathright, LF

CWS

1. Jerry Owens, CF
2. Josh Fields, 3B
3. Jim Thome, DH
4. Paul Konerko, 1B
5. A. J. Pierzynski, C
6. Jermaine Dye, RF
7. Scott Podsednik, LF
8. Juan Uribe, SS
9. Danny Richar, 2B

[Coach]

Come on KC, let's get 2 out of 3 or a sweep to get some distance away from the White Sux.

[Megbert]

pfft the KC Royals Website has them playing the Cubs.

[petegz28]

Meche starting tonight?

[petegz28]

Can we please get Meche some run support tonight?

[Jenson71]

WooWoo!

[alnorth]

Can we please get Meche some run support tonight?

I'm not sure, but I think that's against the rules. I think the Royals are only allowed to score 2 or fewer runs when he's pitching.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Can we please get Meche some run support tonight?
Good luck with Buehrle pitching.

This really pisses me off. I get to see very few Royals games out here in Illinois. Yesterday I saw a promo for the game tonight on Comcast SportsNet, the White Sux tv network here... but they have America's Funniest video's on instead.

I'm gonna have to bus' a cap on someone's ass.

[alnorth]

Top 1st

German flies out to left
DeJesus singles to right
Grudzielanek flies out to right
Butler grounds out to third

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 1st

Owens flies out to left
Fields flies out to left
Thome grounds out to first

0 runs, 0 hits

[petegz28]

Gathright is starting come to be the player I am expecting out of him.

[alnorth]

Top 2nd

Brown walks
Gordon pops out to shortstop
Buck strikes out (swinging)
Pena Jr flies out to right

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 2nd

Konerko grounds out to third
Pierzynsky singles to right
Dye flies out to right
Podsednik flies out to left

0 runs, 1 hit

[Fish]

Gathright is starting come to be the player I am expecting out of him.

Agreed. He's really done well in the last few weeks.

[SCTrojan]

Can we please get Meche some run support tonight?

I'm hoping the same thing. He deserves a better record for the way he's pitched this season. He should have three or four more wins anyway.

[alnorth]

Top 3rd

Gathright hits an infield single to second
German grounds out to pitcher, Gathright to second
DeJesus flies out to center, Gathright to third
Grudzielanek grounds out to third

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 3rd

Uribe walks
Uribe caught stealing 2-6, out at second
Richar strikes out (swinging)
Owens singles to center
Fields grounds into a 5-4 fielder's choice, Owens out at second

0 runs, 1 hit

[Eleazar]

Hey, Grudz resigns for next year. That's cool.

[Adept Havelock]

Hey, Grudz resigns for next year. That's cool.

Good news. I don't think we've really got anyone in the pipeline to replace him.

[Mr. Laz]

we really need to win these games.



Go Royals PBJ

[Fish]

Hey, Grudz resigns for next year. That's cool.

Wow... I didn't catch that. Did they just announce it?

1 yr extension?

[petegz28]

Wow... I didn't catch that. Did they just announce it?

1 yr extension?


Yes and yes.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Cool, I like Grudz. Hated him as a Cardinal. Amazing what a uni change can do.

:)

Waiting for the youth movement people to bitch about it though.

[Eleazar]

Good news. I don't think we've really got anyone in the pipeline to replace him.

He's a little aged, but he is still pretty productive for the position, and you can always use his defense. Since he's not holding up any budding youngster, seems like a good move for both sides. I'm glad he likes it here.

[petegz28]

He's a little aged, but he is still pretty productive for the position, and you can always use his defense. Since he's not holding up any budding youngster, seems like a good move for both sides. I'm glad he likes it here.


The thing with Grudz is you kow what you got. And he is one tough SOB. As long as he plays at his current level I will take him all day.

[alnorth]

Top 4th

Butler doubles to left
Brown strikes out (swinging)
Gordon walks
Buck strikes out (swinging)
Pena Jr grounds into a 6-4 fielder's choice, Gordon out at second

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 4th

Thome strikes out (swinging)
Konerko grounds out to shortstop
Pierzynski grounds out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

[Mr. Laz]

good about Gruds ... now we need to get Butler more playing time at 1st base ...... we need to know what are needs are in the offseason.

[petegz28]

good about Gruds ... now we need to get Butler more playing time at 1st base ...... we need to know what are needs are in the offseason.


If we were smart Shealy would go back down or stay down, whichever, Gload would play 1st bast next year and you can put Butler in every 4th game or so. You always have Gordon to play 1st as well.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

good about Gruds ... now we need to get Butler more playing time at 1st base ...... we need to know what are needs are in the offseason.
Pitching... power hitting outfielder

[ChiefsCountry]

Waiting for the youth movement people to bitch about it though.

I would if we had a 2b in the system ready to go, but we dont so its good to keep him.

We need more starting pitching and a power hitting outfielder.

[petegz28]

I would if we had a 2b in the system ready to go, but we dont so its good to keep him.

We need more starting pitching and a power hitting outfielder.


We need a damn catcher!

[Adept Havelock]

He's a little aged, but he is still pretty productive for the position, and you can always use his defense. Since he's not holding up any budding youngster, seems like a good move for both sides. I'm glad he likes it here.

I'm glad about that as well. I just keep thinking he's in his late 30's, and I can't think of a single prospect we're projecting at 2nd base.

No biggie, just another to-do on Dayton's list. I'm sure he'll get it taken care of.

Happy to see Grud come back again. Solid defense, and a decent bat.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

We need a damn catcher!
I think Bucks ok and getting better. Might put that third on the list though.

[Eleazar]

I'm glad about that as well. I just keep thinking he's in his late 30's, and I can't think of a single prospect we're projecting at 2nd base.

No biggie, just another to-do on Dayton's list. I'm sure he'll get it taken care of.

Happy to see Grud come back again. Solid defense, and a decent bat.

Yes... Dayton makes yet another good move, IMO

[Eleazar]

I think Bucks ok and getting better. Might put that third on the list though.

Probably a backup on a good team. But, if you had a lineup full of offense he could work for you. An average ML catcher IMO.

[petegz28]

Probably a backup on a good team. But, if you had a lineup full of offense he could work for you. An average ML catcher IMO.


I will contend our pitching will never be what it can be util we get a solid catcher behind the plate. Buck is just too average and though he has his abover average sparks at times we need a Pudge type catcher.

[ChiefsCountry]

I will contend our pitching will never be what it can be util we get a solid catcher behind the plate. Buck is just too average and though he has his abover average sparks at times we need a Pudge type catcher.

How many Pudge type catchers are out there? :shake:

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Ok I don't see enough games to make a real good judgement. I'll agree and say we could use a catcher. It's still third on my list though.

[alnorth]

Top 5th

Gathright grounds out to shortstop
German strikes out (looking)
DeJesus grounds out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 5th

Dye doubles to center
Podsednik homers to right, Dye scores
Uribe strikes out (swinging)
Richar strikes out (swinging)
Owens singles to center
Owens steals second
Fields strikes out (swinging)

2 runs, 3 hits

[alnorth]

Ok I don't see enough games to make a real good judgement. I'll agree and say we could use a catcher. It's still third on my list though.

More like 4th or 5th on mine.

[petegz28]

How many Pudge type catchers are out there? :shake:


Which is why we desperately need one. I would blindly guess all good playoff teams have very good catchers. I can think of a few in our division alone.

[Mr. Laz]

Pitching... power hitting outfielder
do we really want Gload starting at 1st all year?


bigger need a power hitting 1st baseman or a power hitting outfielder?


Dejesus in left
Gathright in center
teahen in Right


who's at 1st?

[Demonpenz]

buck's alright You won't get 20 Homeruns out of him.

[ChiefsCountry]

do we really want Gload starting at 1st all year?


bigger need a power hitting 1st baseman or a power hitting outfielder?


Dejesus in left
Gathright in center
teahen in Right


who's at 1st?

I would put Teahen at first and get a power hitting outfielder.

[Mr. Laz]

I would put Teahen at first and get a power hitting outfielder.
then they need to move Teahen now ....... do your adapting/experiments this year.

[petegz28]

I would get a guy who can call a game behind the plate with a staff of young pitchers and can actually play good defense and bat over .240........other than that I say we need a power hitting infielder such as a 1st basemen

[Fish]

I'd rather have a power hitting outfielder. Move Teahan back to third, let Gordon play first.

[Mr. Laz]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[petegz28]

then they need to move Teahen now ....... do your adapting/experiments this year.


Let me ask...why would you take him out or RF right now?



DAMN IT MESCHE!!!!!

[Mr. Laz]

Let me ask...why would you take him out or RF right now?



DAMN IT MESCHE!!!!!

i didn't say i would take him out of right field at all.


i was responding to ChiefsCountry's idea of moving him.


IF ........ they are going to move anyone they need to go ahead and do it. why screw up another season?

[alnorth]

Let me ask...why would you take him out or RF right now?

No clue. I also like Teahen where he is.

He plays the position well defensively, and if its a power concern, well 1B is also supposed to be a "power" position too.

[Fish]

Good K.

[alnorth]

Top 6th

Grudzielanek doubles to left
Butler flies out to center, Grudzielanek to third
Brown homers to left, Grudzielanek scores
Gordon doubles to right

Ehren Wassermann relieves Buehrle

Buck hit by pitch
Pena Jr reaches on a 6-4 fielder's choice, Buck out at second, Gordon to third

Matt Thornton relieves Wassermann

Gathright singles to left, Pena Jr to second, Gordon scores
German flies out to right

3 runs, 4 hits

Bottom 6th

Thome strikes out (looking)
Konerko singles to left
Pierzynski grounds out to first, Konerko to second
Dye walks

Jimmy Gobble relieves Meche

Podsednik grounds out to pitcher

0 runs, 1 hit

[Fish]

Ouch.... that had to hurt....

[Mr. Laz]

dang it Butler ..... we needed something from you there.

:(

[Mr. Laz]

.225 for Brown ....... holy crap :shake:

[Mr. Laz]

gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


.225 never looked so good PBJ PBJ

[Fish]

****in A..... there we go.... nice punch Emil....

[Mr. Laz]

Gordon with the double PBJ

[Fish]

<strike>.225 for Brown ....... holy crap :shake:</strike>

Owned.

:D

[Mr. Laz]

Owned.

:D
and proud to be so ............ all things considered. :p

[Mr. Laz]

bye-bye Buehrle

[Mr. Laz]

c'mon Buck

[alanm]

I'd rather have a power hitting outfielder. Move Teahan back to third, let Gordon play first.
Please not this shit again. :banghead:

[Eleazar]

See that? The pitch was coming right in on Buck and he didn't move a muscle. Professional.

[Mr. Laz]

Gordon was on 2nd messing with him on that pitch

had something to do with it imo

[Mr. Laz]

nice ..... buck went hard into 2nd as well.

[Eleazar]

Now Buck tries the takeout slide LMAO

Well, at least he's trying.

[Mr. Laz]

Now Buck tries the takeout slide LMAO

Well, at least he's trying.
hey ... at least the effort is there.

more than some players can say


he took the pitch to get on base and then he went hard into 2nd to make sure the double play didn't happen.

gotta like the heart :clap:

[Eleazar]

Split said it, but when he went to first there I was thinking "that's the worst pickoff move I've ever seen"

[Mr. Laz]

Gathright with the RBI PBJ

[Eleazar]

Nice! Joey sneaks a base hit.

Maybe I was wrong about that kid :hmmm:

[petegz28]

Joey G.!!!

[Fish]

Run support for Meche.... what's the deal?

[banyon]

Run support for Meche.... what's the deal?

No kidding. When was the last time he got 3 runs?

[petegz28]

That was a fair ball

[Fish]

All too easy....

Lucky Gobble.....

[Mr. Laz]

well Gobble got his 1 pitch in ..... done for the night.

[petegz28]

well Gobble got his 1 pitch in ..... done for the night.


He is the most under-utilized pitcher on our staff. I absolutely hate the way Bell uses him.

[alnorth]

Top 7th

DeJesus pops out to shortstop
Grudzielanek strikes out (swinging)
Butler grounds out to second

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 7th

David Riske relieves Gobble

Uribe flies out to left
Richar homers to right
Owens hits an infield single to third
Owens steals second
Fields singles to right, Owens scores

Zack Greinke relieves Riske

Thome flies out to left
Fields picked off 1-3, out at first

2 runs, 3 hits

[alnorth]

He is the most under-utilized pitcher on our staff. I absolutely hate the way Bell uses him.

He's a LOOGY. That's pretty much how they are used.

[Mr. Laz]

this is where the Chisox normally kick us in the nards .... final couple of innings and their bats pick up and we give up the lead.


hopefully our improved Bullpen changes that.

[VonneMarie]

C'mon, hold it... hold it.

[Mr. Laz]

dam :sulk:


dude is batting like .125

[Fish]

Well crap.....

[Mr. Laz]

Too bad Gobble wasn't in there pitching against that lefty ......... :hmmm:

[ChiefsCountry]

Crap, and Minnesota is losing tonight as well.

[petegz28]

Nice move, pull Gobble and there goes a jack.....nice Bell style managment of our pitchers

[Fish]

****ing Owens.... that's 2 tonight....

Now this is a mess....

[Mr. Laz]

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[petegz28]

Way to go Buddy Bell you managed to f*ck us with your constant pitching changes

[VonneMarie]

What is up with Riske lately? ****

[Fish]

Poor execution. Terrible terrible throw Emil....

[shakesthecat]

Nice move, pull Gobble and there goes a jack.....nice Bell style managment of our pitchers

Sigh....

Every, and I mean EVERY manager in professional baseball would have made the same move.

It's called playing the percentages. It doesn't always work, but they all do it.

Up until the last week, Riske has been lights out for the past 2 months.

[Mr. Laz]

Sigh....

Every, and I mean EVERY manager in professional baseball would have made the same move.

It's called playing the percentages. It doesn't always work, but they all do it.

Up until the last week, Riske has been lights out for the past 2 months.
how is pulling a lefty for a righty to pitch to a left hitter the percentages?

how is pulling a pitcher after 1 stinking pitch the percentages


gobble has been a starter so there is no "sit between innings" crap to apply either.

[Mr. Laz]

wow ..... now that are starting to play the "over pitched" card about the bullpen

[petegz28]

Sigh....

Every, and I mean EVERY manager in professional baseball would have made the same move.

It's called playing the percentages. It doesn't always work, but they all do it.

Up until the last week, Riske has been lights out for the past 2 months.


Yea and most anyone who knows jack about pitching will tell you the more you change pitchers the closer you get to someone who is going to have an off night. Enter Bell and Riske after Gobble faced 1 pitcher.

[VonneMarie]

Meche should be PISSED.

[Fish]

Yeah! There we go.... Grienke picks him off...

[alnorth]

Top 8th

Ryan Bukvich relieves Thornton

Brown singles to center

Boone Logan relieves Bukvich

Gordon pops out to pitcher

Mike MacDougal relieves Logan

Ross Gload bats for Buck

Gload flies out to left

Jason Smith bats for Pena Jr

Brown steals second
Smith strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 8th

Jason LaRue replaces Gload and comes in at C

Smith comes in at SS

Konerko flies out to right
Pierzynski strikes out (swinging)
Dye doubles to left
Podsednik grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 1 hit

[alnorth]

I wont defend the move because I dont think Gobble should be a LOOGY. He isnt that bad against right-handers, and should be a conventional lefty reliever.

If Gobble truely was a LOOGY who absolutely sucked bad against right-handers, THEN it would be the correct move that just didnt work, but thats not the case. We need to use Gobble more.

[petegz28]

Bell seems to think Gobble is incapable of pitching to more than 1 hitter. If that is the case he needs to be off the staff.

[Mr. Laz]

Yea and most anyone who knows jack about pitching will tell you the more you change pitchers the closer you get to someone who is going to have an off night. Enter Bell and Riske after Gobble faced 1 pitcher.
:clap:

[tk13]

I wont defend the move because I dont think Gobble should be a LOOGY. He isnt that bad against right-handers, and should be a conventional lefty reliever.

If Gobble truely was a LOOGY who absolutely sucked bad against right-handers, THEN it would be the correct move that just didnt work, but thats not the case. We need to use Gobble more.
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but Gobble is considerably worse vs. righties. I know they hit for a much higher average, and he strikes out lefties way more, it's not even close. He definitely should be a lefty specialist.

[Mr. Laz]

Gordon showing bunt

[alnorth]

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but Gobble is considerably worse vs. righties. I know they hit for a much higher average, and he strikes out lefties way more, it's not even close. He definitely should be a lefty specialist.

He does strike out lefties a TON more, but the batting average was actually higher vs lefties for some odd reason, unless I read the splits wrong. (I'm looking at 3 years, not just this season). The difference in avg and OPS isnt that big.

[Mr. Laz]

Gordon showing bunt again

[Mr. Laz]

brilliant ... just fuggin brilliant

[VonneMarie]

Here comes Mac, game over.

[Mr. Laz]

the numbers are skew on Gobble against righties a bit because he changes his style of pitching and hasn't faced righties since that change.

[Fish]

whiskey river take my mind......

[shakesthecat]

I admit I don't know as much about pitching in the majors as you, but then who here does?

Look, I'm pretty far from being a Bell supporter, but even I have to admit he's done a very good job managing the bully this year.

They went over a month without blowing a lead after the 7th inning.
Was that all because of Buddy? No, but he did pull the right strings.

Sometimes even the best pitchers give up runs...... really, they do.

[petegz28]

I admit I don't know as much about pitching in the majors as you, but then who here does?

Look, I'm pretty far from being a Bell supporter, but even I have to admit he's done a very good job managing the bully this year.

They went over a month without blowing a lead after the 7th inning.
Was that all because of Buddy? No, but he did pull the right strings.

Sometimes even the best pitchers give up runs...... really, they do.

He has not done a good job. Just everyone he has brought in has pitched lights out. And I cringe anytime you bring in a guy for 1 hitter. Call me old school.

[tk13]

He does strike out lefties a TON more, but the batting average was actually higher vs lefties for some odd reason, unless I read the splits wrong. (I'm looking at 3 years, not just this season). The difference in avg and OPS isnt that big.
Yeah but he's changed his delivery. This season righties hit .357, 8 BB, 4 K off him. Lefties hit .259, 10 BB, 29 K. Significant difference.

Righties actually have more hits off him than lefties, and as the argument says, he's usually only brought on to face left handed hitters.

[Silock]

Tough night for Riske.

Maybe we can pull it out, still. After all Chicago sucks just as much as we do.

[alnorth]

Yeah but he's changed his delivery. This season righties hit .357, 8 BB, 4 K off him. Lefties hit .259, 10 BB, 29 K. Significant difference. Righties actually have more hits off him than lefties, and as everyone's complaining about, he's usually only brought on to face left handed hitters.

If that right-handed batter stat is for real (as in it would prove out over hundreds of batters), then your right, Gobble would be a LOOGY and pulling him was correct even if it didnt work. I'm not convinced yet though, not enough data.

[Mr. Laz]

Tough night for Riske.

Maybe we can pull it out, still. After all Chicago sucks just as much as we do.
ahh ..... but we have buddy

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Tough night for Riske.

Maybe we can pull it out, still. After all Chicago sucks just as much as we do.
I like to pretend they are worse. It gets me through the day.

[tk13]

If that right-handed batter stat is for real (as in it would prove out over hundreds of batters), then your right, Gobble would be a LOOGY and pulling him was correct even if it didnt work. I'm not convinced yet though, not enough data.
I actually would like to see Gobble work and extend that and try to become more of a general setup man. But probably not in a 1 run game like tonight.

No matter what happens, lefty specialist is still a very valuable role. Guys like Jamie Walker, Randy Flores, Tyler Johnson, those guys were very important for the Cards and Tigers to get through the playoffs. There are plenty of good lefties in our division, Sizemore, Hafner, Mauer, Morneau, Granderson, Thome... we need somebody who can get lefties out.

[shakesthecat]

No matter what happens, lefty specialist is still a very valuable role.


Quite you!

Buddy Bell cost KC this game. Laz and petetard said so.

[shakesthecat]

We was robbed!

[petegz28]

WTf is the 3rd bse ump a sox fan or what?

[petegz28]

Quite you!

Buddy Bell cost KC this game. Laz and petetard said so.


4321

[Mr. Laz]

Quite you!

Buddy Bell cost KC this game. Laz and petetard said so.
he sure as hell didn't help

pull gobble after 1 pitch

have Gordon bunt


btw ..... why is LaRue in there now?

[alnorth]

he sure as hell didn't help

pull gobble after 1 pitch

have Gordon bunt


btw ..... why is LaRue in there now?

Gload pinch-hit for Buck

[petegz28]

If anyone thinks it's great to have a guy who throws to 1 hitter every 3 or 4 games I got a beach fron condo here in olathe for you. Palm trees included.

[alnorth]

Top 9th

Bobby Jenks relieves MacDougal

Gathright singles to left
German sacrifices (bunt) to pitcher, Gathright to second
DeJesus grounds out to second, Gathright to third
Grudzielanek flies out to center

0 runs, 1 hit

White Sox win, 4-3

[Fish]

Here we go.... tying run on base...... and it's our best baserunner....

Get em....

[shakesthecat]

he sure as hell didn't help

btw ..... why is LaRue in there now?


I find plenty of fault with Bell for his lineups.
LaRue and Brown have had WAY too many AB's this year.
Just like Dougie and Angel had too many in years past.

But give the man credit. He's done a very good job with the bully.

He didn't hang the curve to Richar, Riske did.

[Fish]

****ing ****

[tk13]

Wow. That was the first base runner Jenks has given up in over a month.

[petegz28]

I find plenty of fault with Bell for his lineups.
LaRue and Brown have had WAY too many AB's this year.
Just like Dougie and Angel had too many in years past.

But give the man credit. He's done a very good job with the bully.

He didn't hang the curve to Richar, Riske did.


How can you do a bad job when everyone you bring in puts in an all-star performance? I mean that's like sticing your hand in a barrel of apples and being impressed cause you came out with an apple in your hand.

He changes pitchers too much and for the wrong reasons. And it isn't just him it's a syndrome that has invaded baseball over the last decade where we change pitchers cause it's the X inning so I have to have X pitcher in in X inning no matter what!

[shakesthecat]

How can you do a bad job when everyone you bring in puts in an all-star performance? I mean that's like sticing your hand in a barrel of apples and being impressed cause you came out with an apple in your hand.

He changes pitchers too much and for the wrong reasons. And it isn't just him it's a syndrome that has invaded baseball over the last decade where we change pitchers cause it's the X inning so I have to have X pitcher in in X inning no matter what!


Thanks for re-stating my point.

[alnorth]

How can you do a bad job when everyone you bring in puts in an all-star performance? I mean that's like sticing your hand in a barrel of apples and being impressed cause you came out with an apple in your hand.

He changes pitchers too much and for the wrong reasons. And it isn't just him it's a syndrome that has invaded baseball over the last decade where we change pitchers cause it's the X inning so I have to have X pitcher in in X inning no matter what!

You are screaming at a brick wall on this subject. It's now the conventional wisdom, and the days of the 3-inning save being common and the best relief pitcher coming in during a crisis in the 6th inning are pretty much gone.

If Buddy Bell is an idiot on this topic, then there is not a single good qualified manager in the entire major leagues to replace him.

Not that I'm disagreeing here, I dont see why the 2nd-best pitches in the 8th and the best in the 9th. In a tough spot, I'd use the pitcher I need to keep the lead against the specific batter who is up no matter what inning it is.

[Chiefspants]

Oh well, solidly played game here, Go for the series royals!

[petegz28]

Thanks for re-stating my point.


Oh wsa your point that his excessive changing of the pitcher cost us the game tonight?

[petegz28]

You are screaming at a brick wall on this subject. It's now the conventional wisdom, and the days of the 3-inning save being common and the best relief pitcher coming in during a crisis in the 6th inning are pretty much gone.

If Buddy Bell is an idiot on this topic, then there is not a single good qualified manager in the entire major leagues to replace him.

Not that I'm disagreeing here, I dont see why the 2nd-best pitches in the 8th and the best in the 9th. In a tough spot, I'd use the pitcher I need to keep the lead against the specific batter who is up no matter what inning it is.


I agree. I am old school. If you have a hot guy on the mound you leave him there.