If Herm gets this team to the playoffs

[ChiefsCountry]

what would you do? Would anybody admit that he was better than Vermeil? Would you bitch and moan? Would you think it was a fluke?

[StcChief]

at this point looks like a fluke

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If Herm gets a 5-11 team into the playoffs, color me f*cked.

[a1na2]

If Hermit gets the Chiefs to the playoffs the next day the world will end.

[the Talking Can]

I'd do what I always do when we finish 9-7 and lose in the first round....

[the Talking Can]

i wish "getting to the playoffs" wasn't the highest achievement for this franchise...

[Bwana]

The only way they "make it to a playoff game" this year is if they buy tickets. They just have to many issues to fix right now.

[MichaelH]

He managed to back in last year but I don't see this team being as good.

If we do make the playoffs I'll be very happy for the players but I'll still think Peterson needs to go and Hermie needs to coach defense for some division III college.

[donkhater]

I'd still question his coaching methods. Despite the 'plans' he has for this team, the fact is that his teams CLEARLY are not ready to compete when week one rolls around. That's on him. The game or 2 lead he routinely gives the rest of the league could mean the difference between a road wildcard game or a bye with a home game.

Now, back to reality....

He is too easily influenced by Carl to do what he thinks is necessary for this ball club. He has repeatedly mentioned he is trying to build to something and, I don't care what he says, he wants to start Croyle but it was obvious to everyone who watched Hard Knocks that Peterson is too afraid of taking a step backward.

On top of ALL that....The man mismanages a game horribly. Don't tell me that every head coach gets second guessed. I don't see Belichick, Fisher, Shanahan, Holmgren routinely mismanaging the clock or situation. If you'd like, I could point to at LEAST 3 obvious terrible stategic calls yesterday. Now maybe some of that is on Solari and other assistants, but the buck stops with Herm.

[Dayze]

I'd shoot me one of them pigs out of the sky and have a party with some great smoked ham.

[BigMeatballDave]

i wish "getting to the playoffs" wasn't the highest achievement for this franchise...Dude, its our SB! WOOT!!1

[Hammock Parties]

If we make the playoffs two years in a row, Herm deserves coach of the year.

[KCTitus]

I had to chuckle reading this thread and I thought back to last years playoff game and the prior playoff game in 2003. In 2003, KC had opportunities to win that game -- untimely missed FG's and a uncharacteristic fumble by Holmes turned the game in Indy's favor early in the second half, but early in the game, KC was fighting back and scoring.

Last year, KC didnt get a first down until the 3rd quarter and even when the defense gave KC the ball on the 11yd line, KC couldnt score even 3 pts, all the while letting Indy, score, then score again and then score some more so that the game was pretty much over by halftime.

So in my opinion both performances were horrible, but IMO, the '03 playoff game sucked slightly less than the 06 game. What does that mean for this year? Nothing, they're not making the playoffs this year and will soon be the doormat of the league by the time Herm and Carl ride off into the sunset. This teams not building anything.

[The Franchise]

If we make the playoffs two years in a row, Herm deserves coach of the year.
If he loses in the first round twice......he deserves to be shot.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

what would you do? Would anybody admit that he was better than Vermeil? Would you bitch and moan? Would you think it was a fluke?

It won't be happening.

[cdcox]

What is stupifying is that we made it last year by Huard playing better than expected. When something is better than expected you expect it to fall back toward its true average the following year. Yet all projections of the Chiefs having a good year hinged on Huard having the same kind of year that he had last year. That wasn't very realistic. Coupled with the neutering of the offense by the 1 Arrowhead Drive braintrust, this difference is enough to drive a 9-7 playoff team to a five win team, even with improvements at several other positions.

[Coach]

What's that? Uh -- Playoffs? Don't talk about -- playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!

Remember the problems when Paul Wiggin and Frank Ganz were the Head Coaches?

It's the same garbage in a slightly different wrapper.

[OctoberFart]

KC isn't going to the playoffs. End of story.

[splatbass]

On top of ALL that....The man mismanages a game horribly. Don't tell me that every head coach gets second guessed. I don't see Belichick, Fisher, Shanahan, Holmgren routinely mismanaging the clock or situation. If you'd like, I could point to at LEAST 3 obvious terrible stategic calls yesterday. Now maybe some of that is on Solari and other assistants, but the buck stops with Herm.

Did you see Shanahan taking a timeout just before the Raiders kicked what would have been a winning field goal? He waited until the last second and the players on the field didn't even know it had been called. The Raiders thought they had won for a second, then had to go and kick it again - and missed. That won the game for Denver. I can't see Herm doing something like that.

[KCTitus]

Did you see Shanahan taking a timeout just before the Raiders kicked what would have been a winning field goal? He waited until the last second and the players on the field didn't even know it had been called. The Raiders thought they had won for a second, then had to go and kick it again - and missed. That won the game for Denver. I can't see Herm doing something like that.

NO..more like Oakland lines up for the kick and misses, but due to mass confusion on the sideline, the defense is called for too many men on the field, give Oakland 5 yds and they make the second kick. That's how Herm rolls!

[HypnotizedMonkey]

If KC makes the playoffs I will watch them lose on the road in the first round again... then I'm going to drill my technodrome up from the center of the earth and destroy Kaufmann Stadium and make Arrowhead watch, then destroy Arrowhead and have a final battle with Gun where the 50 yard line was.

[Simplex3]

I'd do what I always do when we finish 9-7 and lose in the first round....
What he said.

[Simplex3]

i wish "getting to the playoffs" wasn't the highest achievement for this franchise...
Get out of my head!

[Boon]

I am waiting on the first win. "Getting in the playoffs" is the last thing on my mind.

[Frazod]

Herm isn't better than Vermeil. Herm IS VERMEIL. He just builds/destroys the team in the opposite direction.

But in the end, half a team is still half a team.

[Hammock Parties]

Herm isn't better than Vermeil. Herm IS VERMEIL. He just builds/destroys the team in the opposite direction.

But in the end, half a team is still half a team.

No. Herm can draft. That alone makes him better than DV.

[Frazod]

No. Herm can draft. That alone makes him better than DV.

He also doesn't seem to develop weepy manlove attachments to retard failures like McCleon. That's a plus, as well.

But he shouldn't have anything to do with planning/running an offense, EVER. Just like Dick shouldn't have anything to do with planning/running a defense, EVER.

[penchief]

I think the defense is coming into its own. I think they are going to be a force. I liked what I saw from the linebackers yesterday.

The offense will get better. Bowe is going to help a lot. Croyle will get his shot. We'll eventually develop our own identity when it comes to moving the ball. I think 8-8 is very attainable and I wouldn't be surprised by another 9-7.

[Eleazar]

Playoffs? Playoffs? Are you kidding me?

[Eleazar]

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[ottawa_chiefs_fan]

That clip NEVER gets tired - nor does Denny Green's - just classics!!!

[Tribal Warfare]

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[ChiefaRoo]

If Herm gets the Chiefs to the Playoffs this year I will eat shit and will post it on the planet.

[88TG88]

If Herm gets the Chiefs to the Playoffs this year I will eat shit and will post it on the planet.
yay

[ChiefsCountry]

If Herm gets the Chiefs to the Playoffs this year I will eat shit and will post it on the planet.

Man I hope it happens.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

what would you do? Would anybody admit that he was better than Vermeil? Would you bitch and moan? Would you think it was a fluke?
He is the equal to Vermeil, just on the other side of the ball. Have I ever mentioned I hate/hated Vermeil?

[Skip Towne]

If Herm gets the Chiefs to the Playoffs this year I will eat shit and will post it on the planet.
It's a trick! He eats shit every day anyway.

[TN_Chief]

Herm isn't better than Vermeil. Herm IS VERMEIL. He just builds/destroys the team in the opposite direction.

But in the end, half a team is still half a team.AT least Vermeil's teams were fun to watch. A loss is a loss and it sucks...but I'd rather watch a circus offense than endless 3 and outs.

[ChiefaRoo]

It's a trick! He eats shit every day anyway.

Good one you old goat poker.

[Frazod]

AT least Vermeil's teams were fun to watch. A loss is a loss and it sucks...but I'd rather watch a circus offense than endless 3 and outs.
True enough. Though the end result was the same, it was much more entertaining.

But all those puntless shootouts did take years off my life. The only thing Herm's team might do is bore me to death.

[KCCHIEFS27]

It took Dick Vermeil 3 years to get the team he wanted..his first two seasons were marked by 6-10 and 8-8 records. When he got his team, we went 13-3 leading the league in scoring but almost last in defense and everybody was happy with our playoff game just because "hey, we were scoring more points", but everybody pretty much knew we had no chance to win because we weren't going to stop Petyton Manning. Why didn't I hear the cries of firing Dick like I now here about Herm? Because the guy cried at a few press conferences and hugged some players? I can't wait to watch the rest of this season and then finally put the pieces together for next year. There are some good OL free agents for 2008, specifically Alan faneca who doesn't want to be in Pittsburgh next year.

[ChiefaRoo]

Man I hope it happens.
Hey, what did I ever do to you? It's not my fault you live in Springfield.

[stumppy]

It's a trick! He eats shit every day anyway.



Ba dump bump

ROFL

[ChiefsCountry]

Hey, what did I ever do to you? It's not my fault you live in Springfield.

Nothing. But if the Chiefs make the playoffs I will be happy. It yours fault for making a dumb bet. :)

[ChiefaRoo]

Nothing. But if the Chiefs make the playoffs I will be happy. It yours fault for making a dumb bet. :)

I see your a furry pig fan. I always enjoy watching your team burst into tears when they don't make the big dance on national tv. Oh the humanity. he hehe

[ChiefsCountry]

I see your a furry pig fan. I always enjoy watching your team burst into tears when they don't make the big dance on national tv. Oh the humanity. he hehe

Yeah well we got the little midget as coach I dont expect anything out of him or his teams.

[ChiefaRoo]

Yeah well we got the little midget as coach I dont expect anything out of him or his teams.

Damn dude. Royals fans, Bears fan and Chiefs fan. Are you seeing a shrink to keep yourself sane?

[Skip Towne]

It took Dick Vermeil 3 years to get the team he wanted..his first two seasons were marked by 6-10 and 8-8 records. When he got his team, we went 13-3.
Notice a pattern here? 6 wins then 8 then 13. Marty's first 3 years in KC were 8 then 10 then 11. Herm goes the other way. His first year with the Jets he won 10. Then 9 then 6. Looks like he will repeat that pattern in KC.

[007]

i wish "getting to the playoffs" wasn't the highest achievement for this franchise...
NO SHIT!!! I am sick of Carl thinking a playoff appearance is a positive thing.

I want a super bowl damnit!!!! :cuss:

[RustShack]

I think Herm is better than Dick, I just wish I could say the same about the offense.

[007]

I think Herm is better than Dick, I just wish I could say the same about the offense.
At least we know where you stand on Dick.

[Mecca]

He has a solid stance on dick......I'm not sure what that says for him.

[greg63]

At least we know where you stand on Dick.

OUCH! Bad visual man.

[greg63]

He has a solid stance on dick......I'm not sure what that says for him.

LMAO

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Vermeil won two conference titles and a Super Bowl. There is no comparison between him and Herm.

[Mecca]

A convo about Dick and Herm......sounds like some kinda weird Hermaphrodite porn.

[greg63]

A convo about Dick and Herm......sounds like some kinda weird Hermaphrodite porn.

A fine reply for 26000.

[Mecca]

I didn't even realize I was hitting that number on that post, damn that was perfect.

[RedThat]

Dick Vermeil is a waaaaaaaaay better coach then Herm Edwards. End of story.

[keg in kc]

Everybody talks about Herm and the Peter Principle, but I'm not sure there's a better example of that principle than Dick Vermeil. The Rams were not (even close to) a contender until their front office took control away from him in several areas. He did nothing here in 5 years, where he was basically unsupervised by Peterson. The only time the GM actually took a stand, we got our best draft pick in a decade, and Vermeil, instead of using the guy, pouted for two years afterward.

Herm may or may not be the answer. Too soon to tell, although early indications are not good. But Vermeil, well, 5 years says he just wasn't very good.

[KCCHIEFS27]

Notice a pattern here? 6 wins then 8 then 13. Marty's first 3 years in KC were 8 then 10 then 11. Herm goes the other way. His first year with the Jets he won 10. Then 9 then 6. Looks like he will repeat that pattern in KC.


I do notice the pattern..one playoff appearance each and after one game they're sitting at home watching the rest. No difference.

[Mr. Laz]

Would anybody admit that he was better than Vermeil?

admit?

meaning that you have already reached that conclusion?

[bobbything]

I had to chuckle reading this thread and I thought back to last years playoff game and the prior playoff game in 2003. In 2003, KC had opportunities to win that game -- untimely missed FG's and a uncharacteristic fumble by Holmes turned the game in Indy's favor early in the second half, but early in the game, KC was fighting back and scoring.

Last year, KC didnt get a first down until the 3rd quarter and even when the defense gave KC the ball on the 11yd line, KC couldnt score even 3 pts, all the while letting Indy, score, then score again and then score some more so that the game was pretty much over by halftime.

So in my opinion both performances were horrible, but IMO, the '03 playoff game sucked slightly less than the 06 game. What does that mean for this year? Nothing, they're not making the playoffs this year and will soon be the doormat of the league by the time Herm and Carl ride off into the sunset. This teams not building anything.
The biggest difference between the two teams was that, no matter how far we got down by in 2003, I never got too worried (see: Green Bay game 2003). I always felt that that team would do something to stay in the game.

Even on the last possession of the playoff game in 03 (we were down 7), on the 50 yard line, I thought we had a chance to score.

I don't know if this team has the ability to come back from even a 10 point deficit. The bottom line with this team (and say what you will about the defense so far) is that the defense can't hold them off forever. They've gotten down by two scores early in both games. That's almost insurmountable for this offense.