How did all 32 (33?) quarterbacks grade out in week 3?

[Frankie]

There has to be a link. I'm curious where Huard and Green ranked. I don't need overall season ranking. Just week 3. Can someone help with this info?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Huard was 14th and Green 18th (I threw out a couple of the "QBs" because they either threw 10 or fewer passes, or didn't actually play)

http://www.nfl.com/stats/weeklyleaders?d-446412-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&d-446412-o=2&season=2007&showCategory=Passing&d-446412-n=1&d-446412-p=1&week=3

[Frankie]

Thanks dude. Good work.

[blueballs]

Huard had QB rating over a 100
Bigfoot took a beating for that rating

[JBucc]

Did Leinart get hurt, or just get benched?

[Hammock Parties]

Trent's doing OK. I thought he would be much worse at this point. Damn he's throwing a lot of passes though. Almost 40 a game.

[Hootie]

Did Leinart get hurt, or just get benched?
benched

[Anyong Bluth]

I don't think Huard's numbers are strictly telling of his play. Bowe, Gonzo, Parker, Wilson, all made some nice catches on a few balls that I'd say were more nice grabs by the receiver than feeding crisp balls on the money...

[boogblaster]

14th isnt that bad folks ..

[Reerun_KC]

14th isnt that bad folks ..


yeah especially for a 11 year career backup that couldnt even compete for a starting job anywhere else in the league and was handed this one....

Sad part... out of 3 games and a fake preseason injury... He still looks like grilled dog shit.... Thankfully we had a couple of amazing catchs to bail his pathetic clipboard holding ass out...

Huard isnt making the chiefs better, he is actually making them worse... maybe he should go through his progressions before dumping the 1 yard swing pass...

[Direckshun]

Yeah, Huard is underperforming. Not because he's physically limited. He's always been physically limited -- that's not the issue.

His essential style is playing game-managing, mistake-free football. But he's simply not making throws. And it doesn't matter what your gameplan or your style is -- if you're a QB, and you can't make your throws, you're toast. And Huard's been toast.

Thank god Gonzo and Bowe ran a few great routes and made a couple phenomenal receptions.

[bkkcoh]

There has to be a link. I'm curious where Huard and Green ranked. I don't need overall season ranking. Just week 3. Can someone help with this info?


Stats link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/weekly?year=2007&seasonType=2&week=3&type=pass&sort=qbrat)
NAME, TEAM OPP STATUS COMP ATT YDS TD INT SACK FUM QB RAT
Donovan McNabb, PHI DET W 56-21 F 21 26 381 4 0 1 1 158.3
Tom Brady, NWE BUF W 38-7 F 23 29 311 4 0 1 1 150.9
Kurt Warner, ARI @BAL L 23-26 F 15 20 258 2 0 0 0 150.0
David Carr, CAR @ATL W 27-20 F 3 4 56 0 0 1 0 116.7
Philip Rivers, SDG @GNB L 24-31 F 27 36 306 3 1 2 0 116.2
Chad Pennington, NYJ MIA W 31-28 F 15 22 124 2 0 1 0 112.7
Jake Delhomme, CAR @ATL W 27-20 F 10 18 109 2 0 2 0 110.7
Brett Favre, GNB SDG W 31-24 F 28 45 369 3 0 2 0 110.3
Peyton Manning, IND @HOU W 30-24 F 20 29 273 1 0 1 0 110.3
Joey Harrington, ATL CAR L 20-27 F 31 44 361 2 0 1 0 110.1
David Garrard, JAC @DEN W 23-14 F 14 20 154 1 0 3 1 109.2
Josh McCown, OAK CLE W 26-24 F 6 12 108 1 0 1 1 109.0
Steve McNair, BAL ARI W 26-23 F 20 27 198 1 0 2 1 106.7
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT SFO W 37-16 F 13 20 160 1 0 2 1 106.3
Kyle Boller, BAL ARI W 26-23 F 8 10 83 0 0 2 0 101.2
Tony Romo, DAL @CHI W 34-10 F 22 35 329 2 1 3 0 100.8
Damon Huard, KAN MIN W 13-10 F 20 29 206 1 0 1 1 100.6
Jon Kitna, DET @PHI L 21-56 F 29 46 446 2 1 9 2 100.5
Vince Young, TEN @NOR W 31-14 F 14 22 164 2 1 0 0 97.5
Jay Cutler, DEN JAC L 14-23 F 16 23 222 1 1 1 0 96.6
Trent Green, MIA @NYJ L 28-31 F 23 36 318 1 1 1 0 89.8
Kerry Collins, TEN @NOR W 31-14 F 4 4 22 0 0 0 0 89.6
Matt Hasselbeck, SEA CIN W 24-21 F 24 37 248 3 2 2 0 88.6
Daunte Culpepper, OAK CLE W 26-24 F 8 14 118 0 0 1 0 84.8
Jeff Garcia, TAM STL W 24-3 F 14 22 151 0 0 1 0 83.7
JP Losman, BUF @NWE L 7-38 F 1 1 4 0 0 1 1 83.3
Matt Schaub, HOU IND L 24-30 F 27 33 236 1 2 3 0 81.3
Carson Palmer, CIN @SEA L 21-24 F 27 43 342 1 2 2 0 75.9
Jason Campbell, WAS NYG L 17-24 F 16 34 190 1 0 2 1 74.4
Kelly Holcomb, MIN @KAN L 10-13 F 14 28 165 0 0 5 0 68.3

How are you supposed to be able to paste the information so it is formatted correctly?

[pikesome]

Yeah, Huard is underperforming. Not because he's physically limited. He's always been physically limited -- that's not the issue.

His essential style is playing game-managing, mistake-free football. But he's simply not making throws. And it doesn't matter what your gameplan or your style is -- if you're a QB, and you can't make your throws, you're toast. And Huard's been toast.

Thank god Gonzo and Bowe ran a few great routes and made a couple phenomenal receptions.

100% agree. You don't have to be Marino or Manning to play QB in the NFL, football smarts and accurate throws are more important than arm strength or foot speed. Huard's throws are short, fine, but if that's the way you're going to go they need to be accurately thrown and the WR needs to be the right one. Huard isn't doing a good job of either of those two things regardless of his comp pct so far this season.

[DaFace]

NAME, TEAM OPP STATUS COMP ATT YDS TD INT SACK FUM QB RAT
Donovan McNabb, PHI DET W 56-21 F 21 26 381 4 0 1 1 158.3
Tom Brady, NWE BUF W 38-7 F 23 29 311 4 0 1 1 150.9
Kurt Warner, ARI @BAL L 23-26 F 15 20 258 2 0 0 0 150.0
David Carr, CAR @ATL W 27-20 F 3 4 56 0 0 1 0 116.7
Philip Rivers, SDG @GNB L 24-31 F 27 36 306 3 1 2 0 116.2
Chad Pennington, NYJ MIA W 31-28 F 15 22 124 2 0 1 0 112.7
Jake Delhomme, CAR @ATL W 27-20 F 10 18 109 2 0 2 0 110.7
Brett Favre, GNB SDG W 31-24 F 28 45 369 3 0 2 0 110.3
Peyton Manning, IND @HOU W 30-24 F 20 29 273 1 0 1 0 110.3
Joey Harrington, ATL CAR L 20-27 F 31 44 361 2 0 1 0 110.1
David Garrard, JAC @DEN W 23-14 F 14 20 154 1 0 3 1 109.2
Josh McCown, OAK CLE W 26-24 F 6 12 108 1 0 1 1 109.0
Steve McNair, BAL ARI W 26-23 F 20 27 198 1 0 2 1 106.7
Ben Roethlisberger, PIT SFO W 37-16 F 13 20 160 1 0 2 1 106.3
Kyle Boller, BAL ARI W 26-23 F 8 10 83 0 0 2 0 101.2
Tony Romo, DAL @CHI W 34-10 F 22 35 329 2 1 3 0 100.8
Damon Huard, KAN MIN W 13-10 F 20 29 206 1 0 1 1 100.6
Jon Kitna, DET @PHI L 21-56 F 29 46 446 2 1 9 2 100.5
Vince Young, TEN @NOR W 31-14 F 14 22 164 2 1 0 0 97.5
Jay Cutler, DEN JAC L 14-23 F 16 23 222 1 1 1 0 96.6
Trent Green, MIA @NYJ L 28-31 F 23 36 318 1 1 1 0 89.8
Kerry Collins, TEN @NOR W 31-14 F 4 4 22 0 0 0 0 89.6
Matt Hasselbeck, SEA CIN W 24-21 F 24 37 248 3 2 2 0 88.6
Daunte Culpepper, OAK CLE W 26-24 F 8 14 118 0 0 1 0 84.8
Jeff Garcia, TAM STL W 24-3 F 14 22 151 0 0 1 0 83.7
JP Losman, BUF @NWE L 7-38 F 1 1 4 0 0 1 1 83.3
Matt Schaub, HOU IND L 24-30 F 27 33 236 1 2 3 0 81.3
Carson Palmer, CIN @SEA L 21-24 F 27 43 342 1 2 2 0 75.9
Jason Campbell, WAS NYG L 17-24 F 16 34 190 1 0 2 1 74.4
Kelly Holcomb, MIN @KAN L 10-13 F 14 28 165 0 0 5 0 68.3

Use the code tag. I had to add in some tabs to make it look right still, but that gets you close at least.

[Frankie]

I don't think Huard's numbers are strictly telling of his play. Bowe, Gonzo, Parker, Wilson, all made some nice catches on a few balls that I'd say were more nice grabs by the receiver than feeding crisp balls on the money...
I'm not defending Huard. But let's be fair. Even some of Peyton's passes are completions because of great catches. We just don't watch their games. We read the stats and watch their highlights and think they are gods of football.

[donkhater]

I can't tell you how annoying it is to have someone bring up a PASSER EFFICIENCY RATING to indicate how a QB is playing.

All it is is an indication off how many passes are getting completed. Yes, that's a big thing for QB's, but it most certainly doesn't tell the whole story.

If the QB fumbles, takes a lot of sacks, constantly checks down to recievers, NONE of that is reflected in the passer rating.

[donkhater]

Taking 4-5 good shots down the field (even if the passes are incomplete) would do more for this offense than a 3 yard dump-off to Kris Wilson.

[stevieray]

Huard was 7 of 9 in the fourth qtr...

Chiefs never win, the other team just plays crappy...

Huard can't throw, WR's are just making great catches...

I don't know why some of you even bother.

[donkhater]

All I'm saying is that there is a big difference in not making mistakes (which the passer efficiency rating rewards) and making game swinging plays.

Some of the greatest QBs that have ever played the game (Elway and Unitas immediately come to mind) have had lousy passer ratings but were gamers. I know Huard isn't in there class, but don't use this misleading stat to suggest he's close.

[alpha_omega]

I can't tell you how annoying it is to have someone bring up a PASSER EFFICIENCY RATING to indicate how a QB is playing.

All it is is an indication off how many passes are getting completed. Yes, that's a big thing for QB's, but it most certainly doesn't tell the whole story.

If the QB fumbles, takes a lot of sacks, constantly checks down to recievers, NONE of that is reflected in the passer rating.


Agreed....Mcnabb has a perfect rating, but he did have a fumble. I would think a fumble should be figured into the rating...among the other things that donkhater mentioned.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Huard was 7 of 9 in the fourth qtr...

Chiefs never win, the other team just plays crappy...

Huard can't throw, WR's are just making great catches...

I don't know why some of you even bother.

:spock:

Did you see that catch Bennett had to make on that swing pass??

How about the two sure touchdowns the Vikings had that were either dropped, or overthrown??

You can be a homer as much as you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact that we should have been down 21-3 at home against a team playing with a QB who'd been in their system for 3 weeks, who had exactly one threat on offense.


The Chiefs are friggin terrible, dude.

[Anyong Bluth]

I'm not defending Huard. But let's be fair. Even some of Peyton's passes are completions because of great catches. We just don't watch their games. We read the stats and watch their highlights and think they are gods of football.


Actually, the knock on Peyton is that he doesn't have a rocket arm and throws wobbly passes in comparison to his brother's skillset. He is extremely great at ball placement. Let's not kid ourselves, Peyton still throws with plenty of zip, and its still a NFL level, but in comparison to a number of QB's he isn't matching up arm strength wise, but he also has had great WR's that helped on those passes he makes that are a bit off mark. I haven't seen a game where Peyton threw numerous floaters for his guys to play jumpball with, or leave his receivers out to dry and get demolished by throwing too high over the middle. It's pretty rare.

Ironically, Eli has suffered, in part I think b/c Tom Coughlin doesn't know chit about grooming a QB, and he's become quite accustomed to tossing the jumpball for Plaxico, who makes great plays for him all the time. Eli can throw one of the prettiest, tightest spirals around, but just isn't getting the same grooming at this point.

Eli, Peyton & Archie have all spoken about this, so its not any revelation.

[pikesome]

Actually, the knock on Peyton is that he doesn't have a rocket arm and throws wobbly passes in comparison to his brother's skillset. He is extremely great at ball placement. Let's not kid ourselves, Peyton still throws with plenty of zip, and its still a NFL level, but in comparison to a number of QB's he isn't matching up arm strength wise, but he also has had great WR's that helped on those passes he makes that are a bit off mark. I haven't seen a game where Peyton threw numerous floaters for his guys to play jumpball with, or leave his receivers out to dry and get demolished by throwing too high over the middle. It's pretty rare.

Ironically, Eli has suffered, in part I think b/c Tom Coughlin doesn't know chit about grooming a QB, and he's become quite accustomed to tossing the jumpball for Plaxico, who makes great plays for him all the time. Eli can throw one of the prettiest, tightest spirals around, but just isn't getting the same grooming at this point.

Eli, Peyton & Archie have all spoken about this, so its not any revelation.

I'd also like to add that he's good at finding the receiver who he should be throwing the ball too. Whether he does his reads like a supercomputer or he's got a sixth sense, Peyton does a far above average job of throwing to the right guy.

[Frankie]

I didn't mean to focus on just Peyton Manning. I meant to say some of the padded stats of all stud QBs are also due to great catches of some of their bad passes. The course of any given game is full of both scenarios, and it's not fair to say Huard's stats are helped by great catches.

[keg in kc]

If Huard has the arm strength and accuracy to complete that first pass to Gonzo, my guess is that Sunday's first half goes a lot more in our favor.

He did make some throws (finally) in the second half, but that does not instantly render the rest of the season null. He's playing terrible football. We're lucky we haven't had any receivers knocked out the way he's setting the safties up for killshots on our guys. And that's not a scheme or playcalling issue; Huard can throw the ball away or find another receiver in his progressions. He doesn't. He looks uncomfortable in the pocket and his throws are generally even worse than they looked in the preseason.

He's a bad quarterback right now, and we won Sunday despite his play, not because of it. We were extremely fortunate that Minnesota hadn't put us away by halftime.

He has to play better if we're to have any chance this season.