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Hammock Parties
09-30-2007, 10:25 PM
Whitlock: Chiefs must stick with Huard
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/298016.html
SAN DIEGO | Damon Huard reads the newspaper, too. And that very well could explain Kansas City’s bi-polar offense, which goes into mania once it’s behind two scores and has just 30 minutes to play.
The team that desperately wants to bench Huard is stuck with him for at least another week, thanks to a second-half offensive explosion that helped the Chiefs erase a double-digit halftime deficit and beat the free-falling San Diego Chargers 30-16 inside Qualcomm Stadium.
You can’t sit Huard when he’s riding a two-game winning streak and the Chiefs are tied for first in the AFC West at 2-2. You can’t sit Huard after he lit up the Chargers with 188 passing yards and two TDs in the second half. And you can’t sit Huard after he’s started to establish special chemistry with rookie receiver Dwayne Bowe, the big-play, athletic receiver the Chiefs have been hunting throughout the Carl Peterson era.
Yeah, the Bowe Show made an encore. A week after a solid showing against the Vikings, the Bowe Show went Randy Moss on the Chargers, turning eight receptions into a club rookie record of 164 yards and one game-breaking, 51-yard TD catch-‘n’-run.
The Bowe Show should only get better when Eddie Kennison gets back on the field next week. Honestly, I don’t remember Huard ever looking at No. 2 receiver Samie Parker. Huard, smartly, had two targets on Sunday — Bowe and Tony Gonzalez. Kansas City’s offense has an identity and a pecking order, and that’s a good thing.
Gonzalez had five catches for 71 yards. He hauled in the game-tying TD, a 22-yarder caught over two defenders while falling backward. Gonzalez did what he’s supposed to do. And so did Huard.
Yep, the Chiefs are stuck with Huard and his 79.6 QB rating. Kansas City’s coaching staff might want to blame Huard for the team’s slow starts — the Chiefs have trailed by at least two scores in every game this season — but Herm Edwards has to credit Huard for KC’s exciting finishes, too.
“Damon threw the ball in places where last week he wasn’t comfortable throwing,” Edwards said after Sunday’s game.
Hmm, anyone ever think Huard might be more willing to let it rip downfield in the first half if it weren’t so apparent that Edwards would prefer to play Brodie Croyle?
It’s not all that hard to understand. Huard is a reflection of his head coach. He’s told not to lose the game, and he’s aware that the head coach would love to play the kid quarterback, so Huard does whatever he can to avoid mistakes. When the Chiefs fall behind and Huard has no choice but to throw downfield, Huard reverts to the quarterback we saw in 2006, the QB playing with the casino’s money.
Remember, in 2006 there was absolutely no pressure on Damon Huard. He filled in for Trent Green; no one expected much from a career journeyman, and Croyle certainly wasn’t ready to play.
The Chiefs were stuck with Huard then, too.
Obviously, I like Huard. I like Edwards and Croyle, too. I just think this offensive coaching staff needs to be watched and scrutinized very closely because offense is Herm’s weakness, and he doesn’t realize it.
Given the turmoil and chaos within the San Diego organization due to Marty Schottenheimer’s dismissal and Norv Turner’s pathetic coaching, beating the Chargers in San Diego isn’t really all that impressive.
The Chiefs were sloppy and looked horribly coached in the first half. LaDainian Tomlinson ran for more than 100 yards in the opening half (and disappeared in the second half because of Norv’s stupidity). Penalties, poor pass protection and an all-Larry Johnson field-goal drive kept the Chiefs out of the end zone.
The Chiefs won’t get away with sleepwalking offensively through every first half. It’s nice that they’re 2-2 after playing three road games in four weeks, but I’m not sure they’ve faced a 2007-08 playoff team yet.
“We’re not close to where we need to be,” Edwards acknowledged.
Huard, for now, gives the Chiefs their best chance of getting there — whether Herm likes it or not.
FloridaMan88
09-30-2007, 10:28 PM
Huard is a reflection of his head coach. He’s told not to lose the game, and he’s aware that the head coach would love to play the kid quarterback, so Huard does whatever he can to avoid mistakes.
This is what I posted earlier today. When Huard doesn't look downfield and checks down to more conservative plays that is a direct reflection of Herm/Slowlari/Curled Dick's ultra-conservative philosophy.
With Bowe's emergence, the coaching staff needs to give Huard (as long as he's the starting QB) the green light to be aggressive in attacking downfield EARLY in games.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 10:30 PM
WHAT?! NO! THIS CAN'T BE!!!! MAN, WHAT A HORRIBLE SEASON THIS IS TURNING INTO! I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT 4 WIN SEASON SO WE COULD GET A REALLY HIGH PICK SO I WOULDN'T FALL ASLEEP AND MISS OUR PICK IN THE EARLY 20'S LIKE USUAL! THIS IS BULLSHIT. I'M EMAILING HERM EDWARS AND TELLING HIM HE IS NOT SMART. I'M OUTRAGED.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 10:31 PM
What the coaching staff should do is, NOW, TO THE MEDIA, make a Lovie Smith-esque statement...
"Damon is our QB."
TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF
Damon is the man when he heaves it to his playmakers...something TrINT would never do.
Is it possible that Herm allowing us to pass more has more to do with his increasing confidence in our receivers rather than our QB? I'm not mocking. It's a serious question.
I agree that we keep Huard in. He's getting paid to not lose, and, with the help of receivers being able to hang on to the ball, he's doing his job.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 10:33 PM
Is it possible that Herm allowing us to pass more has more to do with his increasing confidence in our receivers rather than our QB? I'm not mocking. It's a serious question.
I agree that we keep Huard in. He's getting paid to not lose, and, with the help of receivers being able to hang on to the ball, he's doing his job.
Can you just stay out of the football threads?
Can you just stay out of the football threads?
No.
FloridaMan88
09-30-2007, 10:38 PM
Damon is the man when he heaves it to his playmakers...something TrINT would never do.
Yeah because Trent never got the ball to his playmakers when from 2002-2005 when he orchestrated the most productive offense in franchise history.
And during that time he never had a WR as talented as Bowe.
When Huard throws for 25+ TDs and over 4,000 yards in a season alert us.
What the coaching staff should do is, NOW, TO THE MEDIA, make a Lovie Smith-esque statement...
"Damon is our QB."
TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF
Bingo.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 10:44 PM
Yeah because Trent never got the ball to his playmakers when from 2002-2005 when he orchestrated the most productive offense in franchise history.
And during that time he never had a WR as talented as Bowe.
When Huard throws for 25+ TDs and over 4,000 yards in a season alert us.
When Huard has Roaf at LT, Tait at RT, Richardson at FB, alert us...
I'm talking about when no one is open, or when the blitz is coming, Green would either find an open guy or take a sack (last few years option B was seen quite a bit more than option A) Damon just says **** it and throws it up for Bowe or Tony G to make a play...I like that.
What the coaching staff should do is, NOW, TO THE MEDIA, make a Lovie Smith-esque statement...
"Damon is our QB."
TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF
I wish! That would be the best thing for the offense.
Huard, for now, gives the Chiefs their best chance of getting there — whether Herm likes it or not.
:clap:
'Hamas' Jenkins
09-30-2007, 10:55 PM
When Huard has Roaf at LT, Tait at RT, Richardson at FB, alert us...
I'm talking about when no one is open, or when the blitz is coming, Green would either find an open guy or take a sack (last few years option B was seen quite a bit more than option A) Damon just says **** it and throws it up for Bowe or Tony G to make a play...I like that.
Does your illiterate ass know how many times Tony went up to catch jump balls from Trent from 2001-05, or are you just talking about of your GOATSE-stretched hole again (not direct at you GC)
ChiefsCountry
09-30-2007, 10:56 PM
Its GoChiefs, Hootie, and the noob from Memphis in a Huard love fest thread imagine that.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 10:57 PM
Does your illiterate ass know how many times Tony went up to catch jump balls from Trent from 2001-05, or are you just talking about of your GOATSE-stretched hole again (not direct at you GC)
Actually, Trent (when he first was with the Chiefs) struggled to get the ball to Tony Gonzalez...GrBac had much better chemistry with Tony Gonzalez then Trent Green had...
The reason I took Tony Gonzalez in all of my fantasy leagues this year is because Huard throws the ball to him A LOT more than Green ever did...Gonzalez had his best games with Huard in the lineup last year.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 10:58 PM
Its GoChiefs, Hootie, and the noob from Memphis in a Huard love fest thread imagine that.
omg!
Chiefs fans supporting the starting QB!
HOW RIDICULOUS!
RINGLEADER
09-30-2007, 10:58 PM
Huard's issues are ones of talent and less of the mental variety. Brodie's seem to be the other way around. Either way you're playing a QB with flaws but at this point I agree with most of Whitlock's assessment. Figured we'd be 2-2 now - just figured our most likely road win would NOT be the Chargers. But I'll take it.
ChiefsCountry
09-30-2007, 10:58 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but didnt Tony G have over 100 recpeations in 2004, but crap who was the QB that year.
Its GoChiefs, Hootie, and the noob from Memphis in a Huard love fest thread imagine that.
If you are going to refer to me (incorrectly as a n00b, nonetheless), please do so as being from "the #1 most violent city in America" per the 2007 FBI Uniform Crime Report.
Thank you.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 11:00 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but didnt Tony G have over 100 recpeations in 2004, but crap who was the QB that year.
Oh I know, he had a great year...
But it's a little easier to have such a huge year in that offense...we weren't good record wise in 2004, but that was the year our offensive players put up their best numbers...
omg!
Chiefs fans supporting the starting QB!
HOW RIDICULOUS!
That's asinine! I must have posted in the wrong thread.... :shake:
KCJohnny
09-30-2007, 11:04 PM
Actually, Trent (when he first was with the Chiefs) struggled to get the ball to Tony Gonzalez...GrBac had much better chemistry with Tony Gonzalez then Trent Green had...
The reason I took Tony Gonzalez in all of my fantasy leagues this year is because Huard throws the ball to him A LOT more than Green ever did...Gonzalez had his best games with Huard in the lineup last year.
Truth is, Grbac had more talent than Green, Huard, Croyle had. Huard knows that a jump ball to TG is as good as a threaded needle is other targets. Now that Damon has a chemistry with BOwe and EK may be back next week, this O could take off.
'Hamas' Jenkins
09-30-2007, 11:06 PM
Oh I know, he had a great year...
But it's a little easier to have such a huge year in that offense...we weren't good record wise in 2004, but that was the year our offensive players put up their best numbers...
He didn't have a great year...he set a record for receptions by a TE. He had an all-time year.
The year before he caught 10 TDs...from Trent
The year before that when they played Miami he had a buck 40 and 3 TDs in one game....
ChiefsCountry
09-30-2007, 11:07 PM
Truth is, Grbac had more talent than Green, Huard, Croyle had. Huard knows that a jump ball to TG is as good as a threaded needle is other targets. Now that Damon has a chemistry with BOwe and EK may be back next week, this O could take off.
Grbac does havent Brodie's talent. Brodie is the most talented QB the Chiefs have had in Peterson's era.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 11:07 PM
Grbac does havent Brodie's talent. Brodie is the most talented QB the Chiefs have had in Peterson's era.
which says a lot considering he was a 3rd round pick
'Hamas' Jenkins
09-30-2007, 11:11 PM
which says a lot considering he was a 3rd round pick
There was a dude from CMSU last year who was probably one of the most physically talented QBs of the draft, but he was dumb as a f*cking sack of hammers.
Brains and injury history will do you in too. The latter is why Brodie fell.
KCJohnny
09-30-2007, 11:12 PM
Grbac does havent Brodie's talent. Brodie is the most talented QB the Chiefs have had in Peterson's era.
Grbac had 300+ yd games with SF before landing the starting job in KC. Brodie may rise to that, but its way too soon to tell. Grbac once threw for 504 yds in a game (at Oak 2000). Be careful with your anointing of Croyle. Grbac set many records for KC passing.
If Elvis's talent is less than Croyle's, why is he backing up Huard, who clearly lacks Elvis' talent?
ChiefsCountry
09-30-2007, 11:14 PM
Grbac had 300+ yd games with SF before landing the starting job in KC. Brodie may rise to that, but its way too soon to tell. Grbac once threw for 504 yds in a game (at Oak 2000). Be careful with your anointing of Croyle. Grbac set many records for KC passing.
If Elvis's talent is less than Croyle's, why is he backing up Huard, who clearly lacks Elvis' talent?
There is a big difference between stats and talent.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 11:17 PM
He didn't have a great year...he set a record for receptions by a TE. He had an all-time year.
The year before he caught 10 TDs...from Trent
The year before that when they played Miami he had a buck 40 and 3 TDs in one game....
Hey, I post what I see...
A lot of players on the Chiefs offense were putting up astronomical numbers with that Vermeil offense...
Huard and Gonzalez had a good chemistry last year, and they are showing they have a pretty good one this year, too.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 11:18 PM
There is a big difference between stats and talent.
Obviously Croyle has more talent than Huard...
Ryan Leaf supposedly had more talent than Peyton Manning...
It's all about the mental approach to the game, and the swagger...as opposed to just having talent...David Carr and Joey Harrington have talent.
lancer348
09-30-2007, 11:21 PM
Exactly Hootie,
Jeff George had more "talent" than some hall of famers, but he was a nut that couldn't put it together, but his upside was as high as any QB who has ever played.
Hootie
09-30-2007, 11:28 PM
Exactly Hootie,
Jeff George had more "talent" than some hall of famers, but he was a nut that couldn't put it together, but his upside was as high as any QB who has ever played.
don't agree with me, I'm the board idiot, haven't you heard!?
don't agree with me, I'm the board idiot, haven't you heard!?
No, you're not. I am. :p
You just like to boast, which people don't like.
KCJohnny
09-30-2007, 11:43 PM
There is a big difference between stats and talent.
Oh yeah, right. Please list for me the long list of QBs that have thrown for 500+ yards recently.
The naked prejududice against Elvis is easily refuted by the facts, which some dismiss as mere statistics, but 500 yards are 500 yards, no matter how you slice it. And 500 yards on the road is about as hard as it gets.
'Hamas' Jenkins
10-01-2007, 12:29 AM
Exactly Hootie,
Jeff George had more "talent" than some hall of famers, but he was a nut that couldn't put it together, but his upside was as high as any QB who has ever played.
He had a better arm than most HOF QBs, but his head was full of malted hops and bong resin. There's a reason why people factor intelligence into the QB position, and personality into nearly every position.
The dude was a world-class dickhead...Marino was too, but he could also read a defense.
DaneMcCloud
10-01-2007, 12:42 AM
...Marino was too, but he could also read a defense.
Only with Shula as his coach
BWillie
10-01-2007, 12:44 AM
Duh, why is this news? As I've said all along, it's going to be Huard's job unless we start 1-5 or get to 4-8 or some type of place where we are completely out of the playoff race. After we win two games in a row, obviously they aren't going to put Brodie in, it's just common sense.
'Hamas' Jenkins
10-01-2007, 12:46 AM
Only with Shula as his coach
That really makes less than no sense. For the first 10 years of his career, they didn't even have radios in the helmets, and even afterwards, it wasn't like he was telling him which reads to make, where, and when while the play was going on.
Don Shula was a defensive/ball control coach, he wasn't Don Coryell...and no coach can teach you how to properly read a defense in the heat of battle.
DaneMcCloud
10-01-2007, 12:47 AM
Duh, why is this news? As I've said all along, it's going to be Huard's job unless we start 1-5 or get to 4-8 or some type of place where we are completely out of the playoff race. After we win two games in a row, obviously they aren't going to put Brodie in, it's just common sense.
Because this is Chiefplanet. Every move (or non-move) is news.
Are you new?
:p
BigMeatballDave
10-01-2007, 01:10 AM
Truth is, Grbac had more talent than Green, Huard, Croyle had. Huard knows that a jump ball to TG is as good as a threaded needle is other targets. Now that Damon has a chemistry with BOwe and EK may be back next week, this O could take off.LMAO
BigMeatballDave
10-01-2007, 01:15 AM
Grbac had 300+ yd games with SF before landing the starting job in KC. Brodie may rise to that, but its way too soon to tell. Grbac once threw for 504 yds in a game (at Oak 2000). Be careful with your anointing of Croyle. Grbac set many records for KC passing.
If Elvis's talent is less than Croyle's, why is he backing up Huard, who clearly lacks Elvis' talent?Who gives a shit? They lost that game, dipshit.
DaneMcCloud
10-01-2007, 01:35 AM
That really makes less than no sense. For the first 10 years of his career, they didn't even have radios in the helmets, and even afterwards, it wasn't like he was telling him which reads to make, where, and when while the play was going on.
Don Shula was a defensive/ball control coach, he wasn't Don Coryell...and no coach can teach you how to properly read a defense in the heat of battle.
Uh, you just made my point.
Marino was no more than mediocre after Shula was forced out.
He was offered the starting QB position of the Vikings but opted to retire.
Personally, I think he don't want to be exposed.
'Hamas' Jenkins
10-01-2007, 01:49 AM
Uh, you just made my point.
Marino was no more than mediocre after Shula was forced out.
He was offered the starting QB position of the Vikings but opted to retire.
Personally, I think he don't want to be exposed.
He was 38 years old. He played several seasons under JJ after Shula left, and was still a productive, although declining player. It had nothing to do with being exposed...he was old and beat up.
Nothing Shula did before Marino indicates that he was anything approaching a QB guru. Marino was a once in a lifetime talent.
DaneMcCloud
10-01-2007, 02:00 AM
He was 38 years old. He played several seasons under JJ after Shula left, and was still a productive, although declining player. It had nothing to do with being exposed...he was old and beat up.
Nothing Shula did before Marino indicates that he was anything approaching a QB guru. Marino was a once in a lifetime talent.
Yeah, Shula had no magic.
Earl Morrall with the Colts.
Bob Griese.
David Woodley.
Don Strock.
Dan Marino.
Yep. Nothing.
:rolleyes:
kcpasco
10-01-2007, 02:11 AM
Speaking of Grbac, did he fall off the planet after his bomb in Baltimore? Has there been an Elvis sighting anywhere recently.
Hammock Parties
10-01-2007, 02:12 AM
Speaking of Grbac, did he fall off the planet after his bomb in Baltimore? Has there been an Elvis sighting anywhere recently.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=160594&highlight=Grbac+Cleveland
kcpasco
10-01-2007, 02:22 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=160594&highlight=Grbac+Cleveland
Thanks, thats the first time I've seen that article :)
Redcoats58
10-01-2007, 02:30 AM
Grbac is a regular Munson!
ChiefJustice
10-01-2007, 02:56 AM
Somewhere,tonight,David Krieg is reading this thread.
A single tear falls into his his luke warm beer as he
curses his small hands,yet again.
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