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Deberg_1990
10-04-2007, 05:24 PM
Good stuff. As always, some good nuggets about the Chiefs and coaches and players formerly connected with the Chiefs...

Green, Schottenheimer, McCarthy



http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7296680


Have you ever heard a woman referred to as a Bengal? Good uniform, bad helmet. And, no, the description wasn't part of the Isiah Thomas sexual-harassment trial.

Here are your NFL Truths for Week 5:
10. With road games against Dallas and Indianapolis within the next month, it's unlikely the Patriots will remain undefeated longer than the Cowboys and Colts. But there is little doubt New England is the class of the NFL.

The Patriots have destroyed all of their opponents and they've done it without the services of Rodney Harrison and Richard Seymour. When the Pats have their full complement of defensive stalwarts and a Randy Moss-fueled offense, we're talking about an all-time great team.

The Cowboys play in the NFC, so that gives them an edge in the race to stay unblemished. And the Cowboys have the horses to do it. They've been scoring just as many points as the Patriots, and the 'Boys have a freakish receiver with something to prove, too, Terrell Owens.


Randy Moss and the offense could get even better once the Patriots are playing with a full complement of star defenders. ( / Getty Images)

The Colts are the weakest of the three teams in the regular season. What I mean by that is once Indy gets to the playoffs the equation has to be changed. Week to week Indy's run defense is too reliant on safety Bob Sanders. Can he survive 16 weeks as an undersized middle linebacker?

But once the Colts are in the playoffs and they're relatively healthy, they become as dangerous as the Patriots and the Cowboys. Sanders and pass rusher Dwight Freeney can get hot and shut down an offense.

9. If I'm Jerry Jones, Tony Romo doesn't get a new contract until after the playoffs.

There's no doubt that Romo is underpaid right now at a million bucks. Through four games he's playing close to the same level as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. But we saw Romo slow down last season after a hot start.

The NFL is a 16-game marathon that concludes with a mountain climb called the playoffs. If Romo wants to be paid like a true franchise quarterback let him prove he can run the marathon and climb at least a portion of the mountain.

8. Marvin Lewis is learning the lesson Dennis Green learned in Minnesota: Don't turn your team over to wide receivers.

Remember when Dennis Green partnered up with Randy Moss and Cris Carter and basically named them assistants to the head coach? Moss and Carter went wherever Denny went. Denny fought to get Randy a mammoth contract.

How'd that work out for Denny?

The exact same way Marvin Lewis' partnership with Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh is working out. T.J. yelled at Marvin about play-calling on the sideline during Cincy's embarrassing loss to the Patriots. Johnson continues to bojangle for the cameras at every opportunity and turn the Cincy sideline into a re-enactment of "Flavor of Love."


T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Chad Johnson may be somewhat entertaining, but does anyone see them as coaching material? ( / Getty Images)

And guess what? Marvin could be overheard by the media screaming at his team about being selfish and telling his team that the coaches will call the plays without being second-guessed by the players (receivers).

Johnson and Houshmandzadeh are great players. You can win with them. But if you coddle them, they will undermine team discipline. If Lewis continues to allow Johnson to play by one set of rules and turn the Bengals into Chad's personal reality show, the team will not come out of this funk.

Just ask Denny Green.

Marvin can't ask 52 guys to play like men and allow Johnson to tap dance and shuffle for the amusement of a TV audience. Yes, I realize TV broadcasters are fond of gushing about how much they love Johnson and how "fun" he is.

Johnson isn't the first black man to be loved for bojangling. But there isn't a long list of bojangling idiots who led their teams to Super Bowl titles.

7. At the end of the season, Chargers general manager A.J. Smith and head coach Norv Turner should both be replaced by Marty Schottenheimer.

I'm not a Marty fan. The guy chokes at playoff time. But there is no denying that Chargers owner Alex Spanos chose the wrong guy in the Schottenheimer-Smith feud. Spanos should fix his mistake by giving Schottenheimer control of the franchise for two years. Let Marty be head coach and GM. That's what Marty wants.

He wanted the same thing in Kansas City. He got that power in 1997 and 1998. It worked in '97 and blew up in his face in 1998, and he walked away and left a band of thugs behind. Maybe Marty learned a lesson in K.C. and won't repeat that mistake.

Marty has earned the opportunity to fail in San Diego. A.J. Smith has earned a pink slip. Replacing Schottenheimer with Norv Turner, a career failure as a head coach, is one of the worst decisions in NFL history.

6. Let me be the first to say it: Andy Reid is overrated.
Standing on the sideline and calling pass play after pass play while the Giants are hammering the franchise quarterback who built your reputation was one of the most selfish coaching acts I've ever witnessed.

Donovan McNabb should've slapped Reid after Philly's 16-3 loss. What a joke. No way you let your star quarterback get sacked a dozen times, especially on a night when your ground game is giving you 5 yards per carry.

It's easy to blame Philly tackle Winston Justice, aka Highway-74, the express route to the quarterback. But Reid's game plan was atrocious. McNabb is being used and thrown to the wolves.

5. I'm repeating myself: The Bears should've signed Byron Leftwich.

Brian Griese is not the answer. Rex Grossman isn't even a question. And now that Joey Harrington has warmed, Leftwich may never get a shot in Atlanta. Leftwich certainly won't be helping a playoff contender this year.

4. I owe someone in Green Bay an apology, and it's not Brett Favre.

I've been a longtime critic of Packers coach Mike McCarthy. It goes back to his days as an assistant in Kansas City under offensive coordinator Paul Hackett. I predicted McCarthy would be a flop in Green Bay.

Well, it's early in McCarthy's tenure and his story as a head coach has yet to be told, but so far he's handled an incredibly difficult situation quite well. McCarthy somehow has managed to get Favre under control and back to playing at a Pro Bowl level.

Favre's re-emergence is turning into one of the great stories this season. McCarthy deserves a lot of the credit. I don't mind being wrong about McCarthy.

3. Even at 3-1, there's no reason for people in Detroit to stop the Fire Millen Movement.

After further review, I've got the Lions losing their next four -- at Washington, Tampa Bay, at Chicago and Denver.

The Lions have more in common with the team that surrendered 56 points to McNabb and the Eagles than the team that has used nine interceptions from Brian Griese, Tarvaris Jackson and Josh McCown to win three games.

2. For you Notre Dame fans wondering at home, I'm a week or two away from writing a gloating/scathing column about Charlie Weis and the grossly premature contract extension Notre Dame gave him.

Oh, I haven't forgotten all the nasty e-mails I received two years ago after pointing out that ND had no business giving The Great Weis Hope a 10-year contract extension for doing far less in his first eight games than Tyrone Willingham did in his first eight at Notre Dame.


But before I strike I'm waiting on additional information to trickle in, such as I want it to be crystal clear that the Irish are the fourth-best Division I football team in Indiana -- after Purdue, Indiana and my Ball State Cardinals.

FYI: My Cardinals just might be the best team in the state. "The Nate Show with Dante and Darius" is the best-kept secret in college football. If there's a better quarterback (Nate Davis), receiver (Dante Love) and tight end (Darius Hill) trio in the country, someone drop me an e-mail and tell me about it.

1. Trent Green could've retired last season with his head held high and as a Kansas City icon.

Instead, he had to prove he could have success without the nurturing influence of Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders. Green is going to tarnish his reputation in Miami. I hope he retires after this season.

the Talking Can
10-04-2007, 05:37 PM
interesting

totally agree about Reid, that fat douchebag...

the Talking Can
10-04-2007, 05:38 PM
why doesn't he write like that for the Star?

Deberg_1990
10-04-2007, 05:38 PM
why doesn't he write like that for the Star?


FOX pays more $$$ ??

BucEyedPea
10-04-2007, 05:41 PM
Pats are beatin' 'em down.

Bob Dole
10-04-2007, 05:45 PM
4. I owe someone in Green Bay an apology, and it's not Brett Favre.

I've been a longtime critic of Packers coach Mike McCarthy. It goes back to his days as an assistant in Kansas City under offensive coordinator Paul Hackett. I predicted McCarthy would be a flop in Green Bay.

Well, it's early in McCarthy's tenure and his story as a head coach has yet to be told, but so far he's handled an incredibly difficult situation quite well. McCarthy somehow has managed to get Favre under control and back to playing at a Pro Bowl level.

Favre's re-emergence is turning into one of the great stories this season. McCarthy deserves a lot of the credit. I don't mind being wrong about McCarthy.

Even Jason is falling for it. The Packers are this year's Saints.

What a wonderful story line to have Favre lead his team to the playoffs in this, his final season.

the Talking Can
10-04-2007, 05:47 PM
Even Jason is falling for it. The Packers are this year's Saints.

What a wonderful story line to have Favre lead his team to the playoffs in this, his final season.

it has movie made all over it....

Deberg_1990
10-04-2007, 05:49 PM
Wasnt McCarthy our QB's coach here under Hackett? He coached Bono and Grbac to brilliance??

How hard is it to coach Brett Favre?? There is nothing he hasnt seen before.

kcxiv
10-04-2007, 05:53 PM
I think Packers are a legit team in the NFC. I said before the season they were going to do good. I didnt think it was this good.

Thig Lyfe
10-04-2007, 05:53 PM
Even Jason is falling for it. The Packers are this year's Saints.

What a wonderful story line to have Favre lead his team to the playoffs in this, his final season.

I think everybody knows that if he keeps playing at the level he's at and leads this team deep into the playoffs, it's nothing more than Favre's last hurrah before re-building mode.

Bob Dole
10-04-2007, 05:56 PM
it has movie made all over it....

What a coincidence.

kstater
10-04-2007, 05:58 PM
Johnson isn't the first black man to be loved for bojangling. But there isn't a long list of bojangling idiots who led their teams to Super Bowl titles.


LMAO

Bob Dole
10-04-2007, 06:00 PM
I think everybody knows that if he keeps playing at the level he's at and leads this team deep into the playoffs, it's nothing more than Favre's last hurrah before re-building mode.

Just like the Saints came out of nowhere last year for the Katrina recovery, then went straight back to where everyone expected them to be last year during 2007.

Bob Dole keeps hoping that our astonishing improvement is part of this season's story line that leads to a repeat of SB I, the year after Mr. Hunt passed and Brett Favre bids the game farewell. :)

TEX
10-04-2007, 06:07 PM
I think everybody knows that if he keeps playing at the level he's at and leads this team deep into the playoffs, it's nothing more than Favre's last hurrah before re-building mode.

So what? It's a good story in of itself.

siberian khatru
10-04-2007, 06:08 PM
"bojangling" ROFL

Never heard that before.

Easy 6
10-04-2007, 06:16 PM
I totally agree about Reid to, thats simply farcical...McNabb is DEFINITELY being used up like a $10 trick. He deserves FAR better from Reid. Andy would be a stunt double for Meatloaf were it not for Donovan.

Count me among those who doesnt mind Chad Johnsons "bojangling"...(damn, i just love that word...its catchy) he does it in a fun way, not in nasty way IMO. But allowing himself to think he can berate the Coach on the sidelines???...Whitlocks right about that, Lewis needs to put him in check fast...but he hasnt been able to "check" anyone else on that team...hows he gonna do it with Ocho???

jAZ
10-04-2007, 06:23 PM
1. Trent Green could've retired last season with his head held high and as a Kansas City icon.

Instead, he had to prove he could have success without the nurturing influence of Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders. Green is going to tarnish his reputation in Miami. I hope he retires after this season.
The most over-rated thing in sports is "going out on top" to protect your "legacy". Play till you don't want to anymore. Play till no one wants you anymore. HOFer? Sit on the bench for 5 years and collect a paycheck on the off chance you get called in to win a game one last time.

Jordan is still viewed as the greats basketball player ever. His DC years did nothing to hurt him.

Trent will still be the best KC QB never to win a Super Bowl no matter what he does in Miami.

Get while the getting is good. We'll love you when you call it quits.

GoHuge
10-04-2007, 06:30 PM
I think Packers are a legit team in the NFC. I said before the season they were going to do good. I didnt think it was this good.Well how hard is it to be legit in the NFC? Not bagging on you, but the top 3 teams in the AFC are better than the best NFC team. I mean who do you think is a real juggernaut in the NFC? Green Bay is 4-0 and they beat the hell out of some good teams along the way, but them and Dallas are the only really good teams in the NFC. When you look around at their competition it's not that hard to be legit.

Deberg_1990
10-04-2007, 06:32 PM
Well how hard is it to be legit in the NFC? Not bagging on you, but the top 3 teams in the AFC are better than the best NFC team. I mean who do you think is a real juggernaut in the NFC? Green Bay is 4-0 and they beat the hell out of some good teams along the way, but them and Dallas are the only really good teams in the NFC. When you look around at their competition it's not that hard to be legit.

I think Dallas is good enough to take down any AFC team. We will find out in a few weeks....

Easy 6
10-04-2007, 06:34 PM
I think Dallas is good enough to take down any AFC team. We will find out in a few weeks....

The Pats would make them squeal like a sweaty Texas pig...

Deberg_1990
10-04-2007, 06:43 PM
The Pats would make them squeal like a sweaty Texas pig...

We will find out on Oct. 14th

cdcox
10-04-2007, 06:49 PM
Good stuff.
7. At the end of the season, Chargers general manager A.J. Smith and head coach Norv Turner should both be replaced by Marty Schottenheimer.

I'm not a Marty fan. The guy chokes at playoff time. But there is no denying that Chargers owner Alex Spanos chose the wrong guy in the Schottenheimer-Smith feud. Spanos should fix his mistake by giving Schottenheimer control of the franchise for two years. Let Marty be head coach and GM. That's what Marty wants.

He wanted the same thing in Kansas City. He got that power in 1997 and 1998. It worked in '97 and blew up in his face in 1998, and he walked away and left a band of thugs behind. Maybe Marty learned a lesson in K.C. and won't repeat that mistake.

Marty has earned the opportunity to fail in San Diego. A.J. Smith has earned a pink slip. Replacing Schottenheimer with Norv Turner, a career failure as a head coach, is one of the worst decisions in NFL history.

Good article, but this arguement is completely divorced from reality. Owners do what they want in the NFL. There is no "fixing mistakes" or "earned opportunities" when you are the owner of an NFL franchise.

EyePod
10-04-2007, 06:51 PM
I actually liked his article.... I'm amazed. And if you guys think it's bad to watch the Eagles play, it's worse to hear their fans talk about them (I go to school in Philly). I've never heard anyone who is an Eagles fan talk badly about their team. Maybe I'm not on the right forums, but they are all ignorant mules. I still have a friend who says that TO sucked last year because he had the most dropped balls last year, even though he also had the most TD's. He also says LJ Smith is better than TG.... UGH

Anyong Bluth
10-04-2007, 06:51 PM
The Pats would make them squeal like a sweaty Texas pig...

Dallas doesn't even have Newman or Ellis playing so far, and Wade's defensive scheme very much relies on having top DB's so he can vary his blitz packages.

I know the AFC is vastly superior to the NFC, and I'm not completely sold on GB, yet. But Dallas has looked top notch on D and O, so far, and Newman is their main return guy, so special teams should be helped out with his return.

Are they better than NE, probably not. But based on their play so far, they have a chance, and I'd probably favor them to win, since they will face each other in Dallas. If they meet again in the SB, I think they won't win, b/c Bill can gameplan for a team like few others, and will have 2 weeks to do so, and it'll be on a neutral site.

L.A. Chieffan
10-04-2007, 07:00 PM
Whitlock loves to throw black athletes under the bus and call them "bojangles" or "uncle tom". Anytime the media likes a black athlete for more than just what they do on the field the athlete MUST be pandering to WHITEY

Easy 6
10-04-2007, 07:01 PM
Dallas doesn't even have Newman or Ellis playing so far, and Wade's defensive scheme very much relies on having top DB's so he can vary his blitz packages.

I know the AFC is vastly superior to the NFC, and I'm not completely sold on GB, yet. But Dallas has looked top notch on D and O, so far, and Newman is their main return guy, so special teams should be helped out with his return.

Are they better than NE, probably not. But based on their play so far, they have a chance, and I'd probably favor them to win, since they will face each other in Dallas. If they meet again in the SB, I think they won't win, b/c Bill can gameplan for a team like few others, and will have 2 weeks to do so, and it'll be on a neutral site.

Dallas is loaded & on a roll, no doubt.

It just seems like the Pats are on a different planet right now, they're jammin' with Hendrix man...

Bob Dole
10-04-2007, 07:14 PM
Dallas is loaded & on a roll, no doubt.

They have Jesus playing QB. "Loaded" is an understatement.

Easy 6
10-04-2007, 07:22 PM
They have Jesus playing QB. "Loaded" is an understatement.

He once turned sand into beer for the minions at Texas Stadium AND he's dated Carrie Underwood...were you aware of THAT???

Bob Dole
10-04-2007, 07:29 PM
He once turned sand into beer for the minions at Texas Stadium AND he's dated Carrie Underwood...were you aware of THAT???

Bob Dole lives in Texas for crying out loud. It's Tony Romo 24/7 at the moment.

Bob Dole is seriously considering a run of WWTRD? t-shirts. Bob Dole could probably sell 500 units in a couple of weeks.

FRCDFED
10-04-2007, 08:52 PM
Dallas doesn't even have Newman or Ellis playing so far, and Wade's defensive scheme very much relies on having top DB's so he can vary his blitz packages.

I know the AFC is vastly superior to the NFC, and I'm not completely sold on GB, yet. But Dallas has looked top notch on D and O, so far, and Newman is their main return guy, so special teams should be helped out with his return.

Are they better than NE, probably not. But based on their play so far, they have a chance, and I'd probably favor them to win, since they will face each other in Dallas. If they meet again in the SB, I think they won't win, b/c Bill can gameplan for a team like few others, and will have 2 weeks to do so, and it'll be on a neutral site.I could actually envision the "genious" Belicheck trying to beat the Cowboys with a "vanilla" gameplan in anticipation that he may meet the boys in the big game. Should both make it to the SB then I would predict the Pats completely embarrass the boys. Belicheck will try to get Phillips to show his hand.

Don't fool yourself.......Belicheck is the type that would game plan that far in advance and ensure he doesn't jeopardize a potential future victory. His attention to detail is just unmatched by any other coach. He seems to think of everything..Right now, Dallas has to be the SB favorite to represent the NFC.

Easy 6
10-05-2007, 06:54 AM
Bob Dole lives in Texas for crying out loud. It's Tony Romo 24/7 at the moment.

Bob Dole is seriously considering a run of WWTRD? t-shirts. Bob Dole could probably sell 500 units in a couple of weeks.

He shall henceforth ONLY be referred to as, Antonio Romiro Romo, of course this will ONLY be said with a Spanish accent...