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Craqhead
10-12-2007, 09:45 AM
Offensive line is Chiefs’ biggest weakness
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star


Brian Waters has but one wish for the many critics of the beleaguered Chiefs offensive line.

Judge the line, he asked, when the Chiefs are playing with a lead, something they’ve rarely done this season.

“We’re an easy target right now,” said Waters, a three-time Pro Bowl left guard. “When you lose Hall of Fame guys, people always presume there’s going to be some weaknesses and it’s going to be a down year.”

Perhaps the offensive line would be playing better if the Chiefs didn’t make a habit of falling behind, something that makes any team one-dimensional. One thing is for certain: The Chiefs have no bigger weakness than their line.

The Chiefs knew this would be a time of transition for their offensive line when in the last two years perennial Pro Bowlers Willie Roaf and Will Shields retired. They actually planned for this, but it doesn’t appear so now.

If the Chiefs are guilty of anything, it’s a failure to accurately assess how fast some of the remaining blockers would decline and of making poor draft decisions.

The Chiefs knew their line, despite the loss of Shields and Roaf, was aging, but they thought it as currently constructed would at least be adequate. Waters, guard John Welbourn, center Casey Wiegmann and tackles Damion McIntosh, Kyle Turley and Chris Terry are all veterans.

“One of the things I felt good about going into the season is that between McIntosh, Waters, Wiegmann, Welbourn, Turley and Terry, all of them have started for over 80 games,” president/general manager Carl Peterson said. “That’s five seasons of playing offensive line. They have experience.”

That experience hasn’t translated into success. Turley and Terry at right tackle have struggled after missing time, Turley because of injuries and Terry because of off-field problems.

Welbourn at right guard has slowed markedly. The smallish Wiegmann is miscast at center in an offense based around the power running game. The Chiefs have been pleased with left tackle McIntosh, a free-agent addition, and Waters.

It would help if they could pluck able replacements off their bench, but other than Turley or Terry, all the Chiefs have are young players in Will Svitek, Rudy Niswanger and Herb Taylor.

The Chiefs evidently don’t believe any are ready for full-time duty.

Since drafting John Tait in the first round of the 1999 draft, the Chiefs have selected nine offensive linemen. None developed into a dependable player, and only Svitek and Taylor remain.

Another one-time draft choice, Tre Stallings, is on the practice squad.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs in 2004 released Shawnee Mission Northwest graduate Ryan Lilja, now a starter for Super Bowl champion Indianapolis. That year, they kept instead a rookie named Kevin Sampson, released by the Chiefs this last summer and now out of football.

“It’s hard to protect and keep everybody,” Peterson said. “The four young guys that we have give me a lot of hope for the future. They’re all good, young football players, and they can and will help us as we go on.”

The Chiefs considered selecting an offensive tackle, Joe Staley of Central Michigan, in the first round of this year’s draft. They instead opted for wide receiver Dwayne Bowe, and Staley was chosen a few picks later by San Francisco, where he is a starter.

It’s hard to argue that Bowe was a mistake, not with Bowe leading rookies in receiving yards and touchdowns. But it continued the Chiefs’ pattern of offensive-line neglect. They haven’t drafted a lineman in the first three rounds since they grabbed Tait.

Offensive line isn’t always high draft choices,” Peterson said. “Brian Waters and Casey Wiegmann weren’t even drafted. You don’t always get a chance to draft a Willie Roaf. There aren’t many guys like that. You’ve got to find them other places. Some take longer to develop than others.

“We couldn’t pass up a talent like Dwayne Bowe. Wide receiver was a position of need also with Eddie Kennison getting up there (in age). We liked Staley a lot. I think we made the right decision with Dwayne Bowe. We just have to make sure we have some people who can protect the quarterback so we can get him the ball.”

The Chiefs after the season will have to draft or sign at least one lineman and probably more. Their best hope for the future is Svitek, a defensive lineman in college who is still learning his new craft.

Svitek is a good athlete, but there’s no guarantee he will become a dependable player.

“There’s a future here for me. I’m sure of that,” said Svitek, a sixth-round draft pick in 2005. “A lot of tackles don’t get into their prime until they get into their 30s. I’m still young, I’m still developing, and I will get better.

“I think it’s been a good fit for me. It’s not always pretty, but it’s not an easy position to play.”

In the meantime, the Chiefs can only hope for improvement. Some progress is realistic, but even the Chiefs harbor no dream that their line will again be among the league’s best.

“Are we as good as what we’ve been in the past? Probably not,” Waters said. “The expectations because of some of the things we’ve done in the past are always going to be high. That’s leading to this kind of (criticism). We’re big boys. We can take it. I don’t mind. I’d rather people pound on us than pound on anybody else.”



http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/313897.html

ChiTown
10-12-2007, 09:48 AM
and in other news, water is verified as being wet.........

ChiefsFan4Life
10-12-2007, 09:50 AM
There is a breaking news story on CNN: "Eating McDonalds every day is not healthy"

HMc
10-12-2007, 09:53 AM
He's a lock for a Pulitzer after that performance. Next week, he reveals that water is wet

HMc
10-12-2007, 09:53 AM
and in other news, water is verified as being wet.........

bugger

noa
10-12-2007, 10:26 AM
“There’s a future here for me. I’m sure of that,” said Svitek, a sixth-round draft pick in 2005. “A lot of tackles don’t get into their prime until they get into their 30s. I’m still young, I’m still developing, and I will get better.

Sounds like he's really motivated to get better quickly. :rolleyes:
Newsflash: we ain't gonna sit around and wait for some 6th rounder to reach his potential 10 years after we drafted him.

nomad
10-12-2007, 10:40 AM
You mean all those years of Mike Solari coaching the OL, he's never developed shit?

Shocked...!

StcChief
10-12-2007, 10:48 AM
plenty of Cap room too.

Wile_E_Coyote
10-12-2007, 10:50 AM
Bober on IR was a killer

Mr. Laz
10-12-2007, 10:53 AM
Bober on IR was a killer
bober stinks ... always has

Otter
10-12-2007, 10:53 AM
http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/section/learning/general/onthisday/big/0720_big.gif

Direckshun
10-12-2007, 11:04 AM
I don't think our best hope is Svitek, although I'm not opposed to working him out on our right side now that Turley and Terry have sucked it up.

I actually think our best hope currently on the team is Herb Taylor. A guy that actually has managed to somewhat impress the coaching staff. He's got the bulk and strength to play on the interior line on this team.

The Chiefs have a lot of priorities this offseason. On defense, they need to draft a young OLB and CB to eventually replace Donnie and Law. They also shouldn't rule out beefing up the DL more and more.

And on offense, we could expend another high pick on WR and I wouldn't complain. FB is obviously an area of concern, and with the way our QBs are playing, we might want to expend our first on a stud QB.

But OL needs to be focus #1 of our offseason. Be aggressive in free agency, trade up to get the guy(s) you want in the Draft, all that good stuff.

But I don't know if I can blame Peterson and Herm for the OL struggles this offseason. They had about 500 concerns this offseason, and turning an awful defense into a Top 10 unit and at least attempting to beef up our WR corps was jobs #1 and #2.

And in the meantime, what did they do? Herm's drafted 2 OL in the later rounds, despite all these responsibilities. And he's acquired a handful of OL in his two years as UDFA and tried them out. Carl pulled Terry out of thin air last year, and McIntosh can be a perfectly functional LT for years, acquired for relatively little by LT standards. Turley returned to football for Herm Edwards and Welbourne and Wiegmann were both hungry for at least another season. Who could blame them, with everything else these guys had on their plate, to assume the OL could hold together for at least one season while more dire needs were addressed?

So, yeah, I can't blame Herm and Carl, I have to blame the players for underachieving. Especially on the right side of the line.

RustShack
10-12-2007, 11:06 AM
We need a couple early draft picks on the line this year

Direckshun
10-12-2007, 11:07 AM
We need a couple early draft picks on the line this year
I think so, too. At least one, anyway. RT is brutal right now.

You don't have to draft early on your interior line. But at least one high pick should be spent on OT this year, no question. I'd like at least a couple other picks to be OL, too.

PunkinDrublic
10-12-2007, 12:30 PM
Why didn't the reporter ask Carl why he waited so late in the draft to draft an offensive lineman. He drafted an easily replaced kicker before finally drafting Herb Tyler. Yeah we have all that experience on the line now but you have to ask yourself if they are suitable to play in the offensive scheme we are trying to put together. Why is the current group unable to open up holes for LJ? I see Carl's arrogance on this one, he thinks that because Brian Waters transitioned from another position to play on the line, that the team can do the same with Svitek and he looks like a genius. Guess what Carl most project players who learn a new position at the professional level don't pan out Brian Waters is one of the few exceptions not the rule.

Wile_E_Coyote
10-12-2007, 12:35 PM
I don't know about easily replaced kicker. Tynes was not the answer. Does he still have a job?

Wile_E_Coyote
10-12-2007, 12:40 PM
Herm Edwards football QB < kicker :)

PunkinDrublic
10-12-2007, 12:42 PM
I don't know about easily replaced kicker. Tynes was not the answer. Does he still have a job?

Apparently he was. Rayner has stepped in and gotten the job done. That miss last week was not his fault. There was no excuse for drafting Medlock. Carl should have used that pick on an O-lineman.

Wile_E_Coyote
10-12-2007, 12:46 PM
In hindsight Medlock was a mistake. I didn't have a problem with the pick at the time. To each his own

PunkinDrublic
10-12-2007, 12:49 PM
In hindsight Medlock was a mistake. I didn't have a problem with the pick at the time. To each his own

I just think kickers are interchangeable unless you have an Adam Vineteri or Jason Elam. I just don't think a serviceable to better than average kicker is that hard to find.

sedated
10-12-2007, 01:02 PM
wow, so all those 6th and 7th rounds picks didn't produce a future HOFer? shocking.

Chief Henry
10-12-2007, 01:31 PM
Ah hell, I've read on this board that the offensive line isn't important. So who gives crap :(

HemiEd
10-12-2007, 03:28 PM
Why didn't the reporter ask Carl why he waited so late in the draft to draft an offensive lineman. He drafted an easily replaced kicker before finally drafting Herb Tyler. .

I don't think there were any other UCLA players worth drafting that high.

blsilks
10-12-2007, 03:44 PM
Our offensive line and Larry Johnson remind me of a piece of shít 1987 Pontiac Bonneville with nice 22 inch wheels and spinners. "They Spinnin"

ottawa_chiefs_fan
10-12-2007, 04:35 PM
Not enough steriods being consumed on the O-line - simple as that...