Should / could the Chiefs draft Jordy Nelson?

[Kylo Ren]

I know it's really early to talk about such things, but what the heck.

Mitch Holthas, on the radio the other day, was saying that Nelson would become a really good NFL player and the Chiefs would be lucky to get him. He said that he plays on all special teams and can play all WR positions. He said he's just a "natural football player" and predicts that he will be a star in the NFL. He's 6'3", 213 lbs. I don't know what his 40 time is.

What do you think of Jordy in red? Pipe dream?

:hmmm:

[Vegas_Dave]

LEFT TACKLE

[Kylo Ren]

LEFT TACKLE Yes, we need a LT in the 1st round or free agency. Will Jordy be a 1st rounder? I have no idea. If he will be a 2nd or 3r rounder, I'd go LT in the 1st and Jordy in the 2nd. That's just dreamin'.

[farmerchief]

I would love to see the cheifs draft him! I watched him first hand in the KU-K-state football game a few weeks ago. It's amazing to see a white reciever run that fast!(lol) Great hands also!

[Nightfyre]

WRs and RBs are the easiest people to plug into a system, imo. If it were me drafting, I would do it like this:
Year 1:
Build oline/dline as best possible. These are the positions that require the greatest scheme knowledge and teamwork.
Year 2:
Get your MLB, QB, CBs. supplement oline/dline as needed.
QB doesn't start until his second year (year 3).
Year 3:
Draft your OLBs and safeties, supplement where needed.
Year 4:
Wideouts, supplement where needed, add depth.

My point is: we need to build our Oline all over again and draft our CBs before we even think about another wideout.

[DBO82]

I wouldn't mind Aqib Talib in a later round.

[Extra Point]

OL's and CB's are the weakest links in the Chiefs chain. We're fine at WR for the next two years, even with EK leaving after this season. Nelson would, however, be a great replacement for Drummond, who should be gone after this season.

[BigRock]

I don't even think he'd be a first day pick, would he? Maybe I'm underestimating him. But I could see him being a Wes Welker type. He'd be a good pickup around the 4th round or so.

[Thig Lyfe]

I wouldn't mind Aqib Talib in a later round.

Same here. Talib and Nelson would both be great picks.

[ferrarispider95]

Definitely take him, he is one of the players that you know you would get everything from him.

[Stewie]

I wouldn't mind Aqib Talib in a later round.

From what I've heard he's a 1st day pick. Good corners are really tough to find.

[ChiefsGirl]

I wanted the Chiefs to draft Figurs last year to return kicks.

I'd be happy if Nelson ended up in a Chiefs uniform. We'll have an open spot at WR when we cut Parker. :)

[JBucc]

The Kansas City Chiefs 2007 draft class
1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas (Converted to QB)
2. Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas (Nice change of pace RB to replace Bennett/Priest and a superb kick returner)
3. Jonathan Liugs, C, Arkansas (Big strong center used to a RB going up his ass. Perfect for our running scheme)
4. Peyton Hillis, FB, Arkansas (Can do it all. Excellent blocker and a great receiver)
5. Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas (He'll probably go higher than this, but for the purposes of this draft he's a nice 5th round choice)
5. Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas (Might have gone higher if he wasn't injured. Will be a nice possession receiver along with Bowe's explosiveness.)
6. Michael Grant, CB/S, Arkansas (Really fast and probably more built for CB)
6. Matt Hewitt, S, Arkansas (Another late round steal at safety. Will finally send Wesley to the curb)
7. Weston Dacus, LB, Arkansas (White dude to replace Boomer)
7. Nathan Brown, QB, UCA (D1AA or whatever the hell they call it now QB. He's badass)


*note: I might be missing some draft picks or have some rounds wrong.

[Anyong Bluth]

Talib is day 1 for sure, and with all the pub KU's getting he's not going to slide under anyone's radar. Nelson, would be a day 2 pick, but I think will outplay his draft position.
I'd be very happy to have those 2 picks

[Kylo Ren]

WRs and RBs are the easiest people to plug into a system, imo. If it were me drafting, I would do it like this:
Year 1:
Build oline/dline as best possible. These are the positions that require the greatest scheme knowledge and teamwork.
Year 2:
Get your MLB, QB, CBs. supplement oline/dline as needed.
QB doesn't start until his second year (year 3).
Year 3:
Draft your OLBs and safeties, supplement where needed.
Year 4:
Wideouts, supplement where needed, add depth.

My point is: we need to build our Oline all over again and draft our CBs before we even think about another wideout. You make a good point. I don't know if that is the correct formula or not. But, O-line is vital and our O-line sucks. But, we have 11 picks in the 08 draft. So, if we were to go LT, Jordy, C, G........... or whatever, it wouldn't hurt. You're not going to draft 11 O-linemen. If Jordy is a 2nd round pick, I'd love to see Herm pick him up.

Does anyone know his 40 time?

[Kylo Ren]

Definitely take him, he is one of the players that you know you would get everything from him. And that is just as important as talent, ability and stats when it comes to the NFL draft.

[Skip Towne]

Same here. Talib and Nelson would both be great picks.
Talib is a Jr. But he may come out early.

[Canton, Ohio]

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[Frankie]

Our draft should be:

1- LT
2- RG (or CB)
3- CB (or RG)
4- C, FB, or another of above (per best value)

Any deviation from that is utterly stupid.

[Kylo Ren]

In order of priority: LT, CB, C, KR/PR, G, FB, RT, WR, DT

[Frankie]

In order of priority: LT, CB, C, KR/PR, G, FB, RT, WR, DT
Not too dissimilar to my draft suggestion. I do agree that if a super returner available around the 3rd round, we should seriously consider him.

[pikesome]

Not too dissimilar to my draft suggestion. I do agree that if a super returner available around the 3rd round, we should seriously consider him.

I don't know about signing a returner that high when we have other issues. Just finding someone who knows when to take a knee would do till we fix the Oline.

[Nightfyre]

Drafting a returner is a waste of a pick imo. You can easily sign special teams players.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I've always thought if it were me I would always draft defense and build offense through free agency. A fast young defense is what it takes in the NFL and proven talent on the O.

[KevB]

Jordy will be a first day pick, barring injury. He's big, very fast, tough, has put up big numbers, plays on special teams....there will be quite a few teams that fall in love with him. I'd compare him to Anthony Gonzalez from Ohio St. last year, who went at the back of the first round. I think Jordy ends up a 2nd round pick, and will be a good NFL player.

[Frankie]

I don't know about signing a returner that high when we have other issues. Just finding someone who knows when to take a knee would do till we fix the Oline.
I did not say a "retuner." I said a "super returner." If there's one why not draft him when he can put us 15 or 20 yards closer to the goal line. Those yards are a lot harder yards for an entire offense to gain.

[Anyong Bluth]

Talib is a Jr. But he may come out early.

With the attention KU's getting, and his success, he's most likely an All-American. I'd be shocked if he doesn't bounce. Athlon had him 3rd team for preseason.


Jordy will be a first day pick, barring injury. He's big, very fast, tough, has put up big numbers, plays on special teams....there will be quite a few teams that fall in love with him. I'd compare him to Anthony Gonzalez from Ohio St. last year, who went at the back of the first round. I think Jordy ends up a 2nd round pick, and will be a good NFL player.

Doubt highly he gets taken 1st day. I like the kid, but he's not gonna get picked 1st day. WR's are left and right, unlike a premium for CB. I think Jordy, as someone else compared earlier, is more like a Welker- not a Anthony Gonzalez. He makes for a solid 3rd down WR, and I really think he could be superb. That's why I said he's going day 2, and I think he'll end up playing better than his draft position.

[Kylo Ren]

Hello? Does anyone know his 40 time? Is he fast or average or slow or what?

[Vegas_Dave]

Hello? Does anyone know his 40 time? Is he fast or average or slow or what?
7.3

(trying to discourage liking him so that people want OLine draft picks instead)

[Kerberos]

What ... What .... You know we NEVER draft a lineman above the 6th round.

Jezzus what are you guys thinking?

:D

[ChiefsGirl]

With the attention KU's getting, and his success, he's most likely an All-American. I'd be shocked if he doesn't bounce. Athlon had him 3rd team for preseason.




Doubt highly he gets taken 1st day. I like the kid, but he's not gonna get picked 1st day. WR's are left and right, unlike a premium for CB. I think Jordy, as someone else compared earlier, is more like a Welker- not a Anthony Gonzalez. He makes for a solid 3rd down WR, and I really think he could be superb. That's why I said he's going day 2, and I think he'll end up playing better than his draft position.

The only thing Nelson and Welker have in common is the color of their skin.

Nelson is 6 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier. Nelson goes across the middle and he can run the deep route (as shown by his torching Talib), I don't know how that makes him solely a 3rd down WR.

[ChiTown]

Doubt highly he gets taken 1st day. I like the kid, but he's not gonna get picked 1st day. WR's are left and right, unlike a premium for CB. I think Jordy, as someone else compared earlier, is more like a Welker- not a Anthony Gonzalez. He makes for a solid 3rd down WR, and I really think he could be superb. That's why I said he's going day 2, and I think he'll end up playing better than his draft position.

Wes Welker? WTF?

You obviously haven't seen this kid play. Welker is about 5'8" on a good day. Jordy is a 6'3, 220# every down back who can block, has breakaway speed, excellent hands, runs great routes and is VERY difficult to bring down. Day 1 pick? Yeah, but I'd say probably a late 2nd rdr/early 3rd rdr, depending upon who else is out there.

[DBO82]

The only thing Nelson and Welker have in common is the color of their skin.

Nelson is 6 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier. Nelson goes across the middle and he can run the deep route (as shown by his torching Talib), I don't know how that makes him solely a 3rd down WR.


Torching of Talib???

he broke one, maybe two nice catches...far from torching.

I agree hes a big body with decent hands.

[ChiefsGirl]

Torching of Talib???

he broke one, maybe two nice catches...far from torching.

I agree hes a big body with decent hands.

He had a 68 yard TD with 8:48 to go in the first quarter. And yes, Talib was covering him. Well, sort of.

[Stewie]

(as shown by his torching Talib)

Funny it never happened again. One catch does make a receiver or break a DB. It was perfect pass, too. Amazing since that QB can only throw downfield accurately 1 in 20 passes.

[ChiefsGirl]

Funny it never happened again. One catch does make a receiver or break a DB. It was perfect pass, too. Amazing since that QB can only throw downfield accurately 1 in 20 passes.

Nelson didn't have 1 catch. He had 10.

[Anyong Bluth]

He's 6'2, 213. I know the kids got potential to be a solid WR. Sorry, if you don't like the Welker comparison, b/c it wasn't meant to be a knock. I'm just stating that I think he'll be more productive than his draft position. Welker was undrafted and has done great.

So, maybe Jordy goes day 1, I'm just saying I think he'll end up a 2nd day guy. Like I said, I'd like to have the guy. From what I've seen, he's projected out at a 2nd day from a few sites I've looked at. I'm sure someone else knows more about this and can weigh in, but here's one little blurb that gives some info on grading out the top college WR's.... they have it in descending order as of Oct 8th. He's at 27 right now. But it's all a crapshoot. Some people around here might be a little biased simply b/c they see the guy play more often than other players, are KSU fans, or whatever. I think he's a 2nd day guy.. but he can always move up.


# DeSean Jackson*, California (9/30)
Height: 6-0. Weight: 178.
40 Time: 4.32.
Projected Round: Top 5 Pick.
DeSean Jackson snapped out of his early-season slump, catching 11 passes for 160 yards and two touchdowns in an upset at Oregon.

Compared to Santana Moss. Returned four punts for touchdowns in 2006. There's talk that Jackson may run a 4.2, which would put him into the top five. He's the same size as Ted Ginn, and could be even faster. Jackson recorded 59 receptions, 1,060 yards and nine scores last year.

# Early Doucet, LSU (8/30)
Height: 6-0. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round: Top 15 Pick.
Only one LSU receiver had more than one catch in the team's 45-0 victory over Mississippi State. That would obviously be Early Doucet, who caught nine passes for 78 yards and a score.

Doucet's speed and explosiveness will have him competing with Mario Manningham and DeSean Jackson to be the top receiver chosen in the 2008 Draft. Doucet was third on the team in receiving yards (772) and second in receptions (59), but he'll be the main guy now that both Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis are in the NFL.

# Malcolm Kelly*, Oklahoma (9/8)
Height: 6-4. Weight: 217.
40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round: Top 20 Pick.
Malcolm Kelly continued to dazzle, as he beat Miami's renowned secondary for four receptions, 102 yards and three scores.

Kelly is currently on pace to improve upon his 2006 season. In his first game of the year, Kelly had four receptions for 118 yards and two touchdowns. He had 62 catches, 993 yards and 10 scores last season. Kelly has a great 40 at his size.

My apologies for leaving Kelly off this list. I'm not sure what happened; I had him here before. Must have erased him by accident.

# Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round: Top 25 Pick.
In his first year at Oklahoma State, Adarius Bowman had 1,181 yards and 12 touchdowns. Caught 13 passes for 300 yards and four scores against Kansas. If Bowman runs a 4.4, he's definitely going in the top 20.

# Mario Manningham*, Michigan
Height: 6-0. Weight: 185.
40 Time: 4.42.
Projected Round: 1.
Mario Manningham injured his knee last year, but when he played, he was unstoppable. He saved his best performances against Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Ohio State and USC. Despite missing four games, Manningham notched 38 receptions, 703 yards and nine touchdowns in 2006.

# Jaison Williams*, Oregon
Height: 6-4. Weight: 243.
40 Time: 4.57.
Projected Round: 1-2.
An intriguing prospect. Look at his weight. How can anyone defend him inside the end zone? If Jaison Williams can run a 4.5, he'll go in the first round. Caught 68 passes for 984 yards and six touchdowns in 2006.

# Earl Bennett*, Vanderbilt
Height: 6-0. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round: 1-2.
Earl Bennett managed 82 receptions and 1,146 yards in 2006. Caught 79 passes a year ago as a freshman.

# Harry Douglas, Louisville (9/23)
Height: 5-11. Weight: 176.
40 Time: 4.38.
Projected Round: 1-2.
Harry Douglas is a beast. A week after recording 13 receptions, 223 yards and a score, he had 12 catches, 205 yards and a touchdown against Syracuse.

Is there any doubt Douglas is Brian Brohm's go-to guy? In a loss to Kentucky, Douglas caught 13 passes for 223 yards and a touchdown.

Set a Louisville record with 1,265 receiving yards in 2006. Also had 70 receptions and six touchdowns. He and Mario Urrutia combined for 13 catches in the annual spring game.

# Keenan Burton, Kentucky (9/15)
Height: 6-2. Weight: 195.
40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round: 1-2.
Keenan Burton caught everything in sight as Kentucky upset Louisville; Burton recorded nine receptions for 99 yards.

Burton had five receptions for 49 yards, but I don't see him winning any jump balls in the NFL. Still a very impressive player, and he is versatile on special teams. -- Matt McGuire.

Sorry for having him so low earlier - a major oversight on my part. If Keenan Burton has another great year and runs well at the Combine, he could sneak into the first round.

Solid kick returner. Caught 77 passes for 1,036 yards and 12 TDs in 2006.

# Limas Sweed, Texas (7/31)
Height: 6-5. Weight: 218.
40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round: 2.
I've dropped Sweed a bit because it's quite apparent that his 40 time will really hurt him.

I have a feeling Limas Sweed's stock may slip come Combine time (see 40 time), but the fact remains that he's the top possession receiver in this class. Check out NFL Draft Dog's Scouting Report.

# Andre Caldwell, Florida
Height: 6-1. Weight: 198.
40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round: 2.
Will Tim Tebow hurt Andre Caldwell's production? Caldwell had only 57 receptions for 577 yards and six scores last year. His best game was against Florida State (eight catches, 124 yards, 1 TD).



# James Hardy*, Indiana
Height: 6-6. Weight: 215.
40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round: 2-3.
Caught at least five passes in all but one game starting in October 2006. Had nine receptions for 151 yards and a TD at Purdue.

# Donnie Avery, Houston
Height: 5-11. Weight: 190.
40 Time: 4.28.
Projected Round: 3.
That 40 time is not a joke. Donnie Avery is also more than a return specialist; he caught 57 passes for 852 yards and five touchdowns last year. A product of Houston's system? Perhaps. Avery has to prove himself, but an NFL squad will give the chance because of his 40 time.

# Paul Hubbard, Wisconsin
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round: 3.
A nice 40 time to go with his size. The only downside to Paul Hubbard's draft stock right now is that he only had one solid year of production (38 receptions, 627 yards, 5 TDs in 2006). However, Hubbard improved throughout the season, so if he has another dynamic campaign, there's a chance he could sneak into the top 40.

# D.J. Hall, Alabama
Height: 6-3. Weight: 190.
40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round: 3.
Caught 62 passes for 1,056 yards with an inexperienced quarterback throwing to him. If John Parker Wilson improves, Hall's stock will soar.

# Marcus Monk, Arkansas
Height: 6-6. Weight: 222.
40 Time: 4.64.
Projected Round: 3.
A massive receiver but probably needs to run in the 4.5s. Had 50 receptions and 11 TDs despite playing with the SEC's worst quarterbacking corps.

# Mario Urrutia*, Louisville (9/23)
Height: 6-6. Weight: 220.
40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round: 3.
The Louisville coaching staff removed Mario Urrutia from the game after multiple unsportsmanlike penalties. The home crowd booed Urrutia every time he caught the ball.

Urrutia had seven receptions, 142 yards and two scores against Middle Tennessee State. However, what the box score doesn't show is at least two drops, including one easy touchdown catch.

Great size. Caught 53 passes for 929 yards and 6 touchdowns in 2006. Needs to improve his 40 time to be a first-round lock.

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# William Franklin, Missouri
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.40.
Projected Round: 3-4.
Has grown leaps and bounds his first three years, increasing his yardage total from 174 (2004) and 413 (2005) to 829 (last year). Also caught six touchdowns. William Franklin's 40 time will likely get him into the first day.

# Dorien Bryant, Purdue
Height: 5-10. Weight: 178.
40 Time: 4.37.
Projected Round: 3-4.
An extremely quick receiver and a solid kick-returner. Caught 87 passes for 1,068 yards in 2006.

# Bruce Hocker, Duquesne
Height: 6-4. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round: 3-4.
A prospect who will skyrocket if he has another great year like he did in 2006 (61 receptions, 1,070 yards, 16 TDs). He was simply a man amongst boys in I-AA. Check out Bruce Hocker's height and 40 time.

# Jarett Dillard*, Rice
Height: 5-11. Weight: 168.
40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round: 3-4.
I don't care whom you play against - production is production. Jarett Dillard caught 91 passes for 1,247 yards and 21 touchdowns in 2006. Yeah, 21 touchdowns. His weight bothers me, however. He also needs to make sure he can run a 4.3 at his size. A 4.4 won't cut it.

# Eddie Royal, Virginia Tech
Height: 5-10. Weight: 184.
40 Time: 4.38.
Projected Round: 4.
A return specialist, as you should be able to tell by his exceptional 40. Never had more than 31 receptions in a single season, but could that just be a product of the woeful offense he plays in?

# Greg Carr*, Florida State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round: 4.
Greg Carr caught 12 touchdowns but only 34 receptions in 2006. A nice end-zone target at 6-6.


# Marcus Smith, New Mexico
Height: 6-2. Weight: 212.
40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round: 4-5.
After recording 89 receiving yards his first two years at New Mexico, Marcus Smith emerged as a top-notch wide out, garnering 53 catches for 859 yards and nine touchdowns in 2006. You have to like his 40 time at 6-2, 212.

# Sammie Stroughter, Oregon State
Height: 5-11. Weight: 185.
40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round: 4-5.
A very explosive receiver and return specialist. I think he can run a 4.3. Check out his 2006 stats: 74 catches, 1,293 yards and 5 TDs.

# Maurice Purify, Nebraska (9/29)
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round: 5.
Maurice Purify may have redeemed himself a bit, catching seven passes for 80 yards against USC.

There's no question that Maurice Purify's talented - he had 34 receptions for 630 yards and seven touchdowns last year - but he's had too many legal incidents the past year for my liking.

# Jordy Nelson, Kansas State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 217.
40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round: 5.
Jordy Nelson needs to get his 40 time down, but he has certainly established himself as a talent wide out in 2007. He registered three straight 10-plus-catch performances, all for at least 116 yards and a touchdown against Missouri State, Texas and Kansas. Nelson's worst outing, as of Oct. 6, is a 82-yard day against San Jose State.

# Darius Reynaud, West Virginia (9/30)
Height: 5-10. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.42.
Projected Round: 5.
Darius Reynaud has finally emerged as a consistent, lethal option in West Virginia's option. Through five games, Reynaud has 28 receptions, 382 yards and five scores.

Needs to be more productive than 520 receiving yards and two touchdowns. Like De'Cody Fagg, Darius Reynaud's 40 will warrant some draft consideration.

# Patrick Carter, Louisville
Height: 6-3. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.32.
Projected Round: 5.
Patrick Carter will get drafted as a kick-returner, and definitely not a receiver. He had only five receptions in 2006.

# Todd Blythe, Iowa State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 210.
40 Time: 4.63.
Projected Round: 5-6.
Should be interesting to see what Blythe can do with a real quarterback. Nice frame, but his 40 will hurt.

# Darrell Blackman, North Carolina State
Height: 5-10. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round: 5-6.
Darrell Blackman has emerged as N.C. State's top receiver. Through five games in 2007, Blackman has 232 yards, 128 of which came at Boston College.

# Cameron Colvin, Oregon (10/4)
Height: 6-2. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round: 5-6.
Cameron Colvin has emerged as a great No. 2 option for Dennis Dixon. Against Stanford and California, Colvin had 15 receptions, 210 yards and two touchdowns.

# Mark Bradford, Stanford
Height: 6-2. Weight: 210.
40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round: 5-FA.
Mark Bradford looked like he was in for a big year in 2006. In the opener at Oregon, he had nine catches, 108 yards and a score. However, he tore a ligament in his foot the following week and was lost for the year. Bradford's draft stock depends on how well he rebounds from his injury.

# Keith Brown, Alabama
Height: 6-3. Weight: 204.
40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round: 6.
Keith Brown had just 44 receptions, 590 yards and three touchdowns last year, but a knee injury held him back. He'll be 24 next July, so his ceiling may not be that high.

# Lance Leggett, Miami
Height: 6-3. Weight: 185.
40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round: 6-7.
Recorded 38 receptions and 584 yards last year, both career highs. However, Lance Leggett disappeared in big games; his top performances were against Florida International and Duke.

# Jason Rivers, Hawaii
Height: 6-2. Weight: 192.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round: 6-7.
Has an injury history and a habit of underachieving in school. Do his 1,178 receiving yards make up for it? Jason Rivers must run in the low 4.4s considering his size.


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# Lavelle Hawkins, California
Height: 6-2. Weight: 181.
40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round: 7.
A team player. Lavelle Hawkins is undersized, but his speed makes up for it. Recorded 705 yards and five scores in 2006. Nate Longshore should be able to turn him into a star this season.

# De'Cody Fagg, Florida State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 212.
40 Time: 4.42.
Projected Round: 7.
De'Cody Fagg's 40 time will get him drafted, but he really needs to be more productive on the football field. A career high of 439 yards and one touchdown won't cut it. Fagg has a habit of disappearing in big games.

# Ernie Wheelwright, Minnesota
Height: 6-5. Weight: 215.
40 Time: 4.66.
Projected Round: 7.
His size is great, but his 40 sucks and his stats (26 catches, 437 yards in 11 contests) are even worse.

# Jerome Simpson, Coastal Carolina
Height: 6-3. Weight: 190.
40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round: 7.
Another productive I-AA receiver (61 catches, 1,077 yards, 16 TDs in 2006). However, Jerome Simpson's size and 40 are a bit lacking.

# Derek Kinder, Pittsburgh (8/15)
Height: 6-1. Weight: 210.
40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round: 7.
Derek Kinder tore his ACL in a workout recently. He's out for the season. He's productive (57 catches, 847 yards, 6 TDs), he's quick and isn't small. The question is how effective he'll be without Tyler Palko under center.

# Billy Pittman, Texas
Height: 6-0. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round: 7.
Production dropped from 750 yards (2005) to 456 last year, though he did come on at the end of the season.

# Evan Moore, Stanford
Height: 6-7. Weight: 235.
40 Time: 4.63.
Projected Round: 7.
Evan Moore's size will draw some attention from scouts. His 17 receptions the last two years - thanks to a nagging foot injury - will be his downfall if he doesn't have brilliant 2007 campaign.

# Amarri Jackson, South Florida
Height: 6-5. Weight: 195.
40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round: 7.
I have to admit that I didn't have Amarri Jackson on my radar until an e-mailer pointed him out to me. Jackson didn't put up great numbers last year (26 receptions, 393 yards, three touchdowns), but then again, no one on South Florida did. What I like about Jackson is his speed (4.52) despite his 6-5 frame. Someone will probably draft him.

# Arman Shields, Richmond
Height: 6-2. Weight: 185.
40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round: FA.
Has a decent 40 for his height. Arman Shields had his best season in 2005 when he notched 842 yards and four scores.

# Luke Swan, Wisconsin
Height: 6-0. Weight: 196.
40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round: FA.
Had 595 yards and five touchdowns in 2006. Needs a better 40 at his size.

# Shaheer McBride, Delaware State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 190.
40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round: FA.
If Shaheer McBride drops his 40 to 4.45, he will get drafted. Compiled a total of 1,572 yards and 17 touchdowns the past two seasons.

# Josh Morgan, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-1. Weight: 219.
40 Time: 4.40.
Projected Round: FA.
Career highs are 33 receptions and 471 yards, but Josh Morgan returns kickoffs. He also gets arrested (October 2006).

# Jaymar Johnson, Jackson State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 175.
40 Time: 4.37.
Projected Round: FA.
Not productive at I-AA (527 yards, 2 TDs in 2006). Too small. Needs to be a return specialist.

# Brandon Breazell, UCLA
Height: 6-0. Weight: 174.
40 Time: 4.42.
Projected Round: FA.
Tore his PCL during spring drills. Rebounded nicely, but still too small.

# Jomar Wright, Duke
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round: FA.
Jomar Wright has 21 receptions through four games. He needs to improve his 40 time to warrant draft consideration.

[BigRock]

When I mentioned Wes Welker, it had nothing to do with how tall either guy is or how they play. (Or what color they are.) Does anyone seriously think Jordy Nelson is going to be a #1 WR in the NFL? Welker is a good returner and a decent #2/great #3 receiver. That's the type of player Nelson should hope to be.

[Frankie]

7.3

(trying to discourage liking him so that people want OLine draft picks instead)
:clap:

[KevB]

When I mentioned Wes Welker, it had nothing to do with how tall either guy is or how they play. (Or what color they are.) Does anyone seriously think Jordy Nelson is going to be a #1 WR in the NFL? Welker is a good returner and a decent #2/great #3 receiver. That's the type of player Nelson should hope to be.

Usually when you use someone's name to compare, you're suggesting they are the same type of player....not whether they are a #2 or #3 WR. As stated, Jordy is nothing like Welker in physical ability or style of play. I would agree that Jordy is probably a #2 WR in the NFL.

[KevB]

Torching of Talib???

he broke one, maybe two nice catches...far from torching.

I agree hes a big body with decent hands.

Talib talked all week about covering Jordy all day all over the field, and early in the first quarter Jordy beat him for a 68 yd TD. I think that can clearly be defined as torching. Not only did he beat him for the catch, but then he left Talib behind as they both sprinted 40 yards to the end zone.

After that, there were 2 and 3 blue shirts around Jordy every time the ball came near him.

[KevB]

Funny it never happened again. One catch does make a receiver or break a DB. It was perfect pass, too. Amazing since that QB can only throw downfield accurately 1 in 20 passes.

Um, you think that had anything to do with the safety help the rest of the day? KSU established Jordy early, so KU made adjustments. And are you suggesting Talib is only capable of covering someone when the pass isn't thrown well?

[KevB]

Hello? Does anyone know his 40 time? Is he fast or average or slow or what?

I'd guess is timed speed is in the 4.4's somewhere. He looked plenty fast against Texas, especially his punt return when he outran everyone. He also looked plenty fast going by Talib for the TD in the KU game. He's gone against some really good athletes, and in pads, his speed matched or exceeded them.

[ChiefsFire]

He had a 68 yard TD with 8:48 to go in the first quarter. And yes, Talib was covering him. Well, sort of.

Thats far from a torch job....

He would have needed 5 or 6 big plays to call it torching...he had some nice underneath routes that gained some yardage..not enough home run balls.

[Anyong Bluth]

in the list of WR's I posted, it says Jordy has 4.54. He looks faster than that, and we all know that 40 speed doesn't always translate the same when the pads are on.

[ChiefsFire]

Talib talked all week about covering Jordy all day all over the field, and early in the first quarter Jordy beat him for a 68 yd TD. I think that can clearly be defined as torching. Not only did he beat him for the catch, but then he left Talib behind as they both sprinted 40 yards to the end zone.

After that, there were 2 and 3 blue shirts around Jordy every time the ball came near him.

Was it Talibs fault they doubled up on Nelson?

Thats stems from the fact State really doesn't have any other threats on passing downs.

Poor Jordy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Assuming we're drafting 15-22, and assuming he comes out.....

Four words:

Left Tackle Michael Oher.

[KevB]

Was it Talibs fault they doubled up on Nelson?

Thats stems from the fact State really doesn't have any other threats on passing downs.

Poor Jordy.

It wasn't "his fault". KU did the right thing. But it was apparent after one play man to man that Talib wasn't going to shut down Jordy. Not sure what there is to argue here.

[Buehler445]

I think Jordy will go too high for the Chiefs liking. I thought maybe we should pick up Yamon Figures in maybe the 5th round. I was very surprised when he went in the 3rd round.

I'd like him, but we aren't going to get him.

[ChiefsFire]

It wasn't "his fault". KU did the right thing. But it was apparent after one play man to man that Talib wasn't going to shut down Jordy. Not sure what there is to argue here.


Theres not really an argument.
Both are great athletes.
Sure, Nelson had a great day. Best of like to him in the NFL.

[Skip Towne]

Jordy reminds me of Matt Jones of Arkansas. Jones surprisingly went in the 1st round to Tampa Bay. Could happen to Jordy.

[Coach]

I think Jordy will go too high for the Chiefs liking. I thought maybe we should pick up Yamon Figures in maybe the 5th round. I was very surprised when he went in the 3rd round.

I'd like him, but we aren't going to get him.

Well, if you are considered one of the fastest players in college football, your stock will go up, regardless of position.

IIRC, Figures was a 4.3, and was a heck of a special teamer as well as a receiver.

Nelson is at 4.4/4.5 IIRC. I don't mind if the Chiefs got him on the first day pick, but at the same time, everybody in here is talking about how shitty our offensive line is.

So, is it wise to draft a WR over a need? I understand the term of "drafting best player available, regardless of position" but this years class of O-Linemen is pretty strong and deep.

[chagrin]

Jake friggin Long

[Coach]

Jake friggin Long

I don't see the Chiefs getting a top 10 pick this year, even though that would be nice.

Thus far, they are on par for a 8-8 season, which would be around the 14-20 slots.

[bringbackmarty]

With this team assuming no blockbuster FA deals, I hope we take BPA first day, regardless of pos, no more than one at any pos, except OL where we could take two or even three in the unlikely event that bpa at our as of yet unknown slot is OL. No defensive players should be taken first day excepting a stud corner, DT or OL and even those guys better be close to a sure thing.

[Tribal Warfare]

Our draft should be:

1- LT
2- RG (or CB)
3- CB (or RG)
4- C, FB, or another of above (per best value)

Any deviation from that is utterly stupid.


BPA, nomatter what

[Mecca]

On the NFLDC ranking where they don't have any underclassmen listed as of now, Jordy Nelson is 43rd for WR's.

Also if that mock played out like it has and the Chiefs do about what we all expect, they'd be able to draft Sedrick Ellis.

[KevB]

On the NFLDC ranking where they don't have any underclassmen listed as of now, Jordy Nelson is 43rd for WR's.

Also if that mock played out like it has and the Chiefs do about what we all expect, they'd be able to draft Sedrick Ellis.

If Jordy Nelson is only the 43rd best senior WR in the country, my name is Nick Athan.

Many of the "rankings" at this point are garbage. It's based on pre-season hype, exposure, etc. Jordy was damaged goods last year, dragging around a banged up knee. This year, he's healthy, and dominating. C'mon Mecca, you've been following the draft long enough to know that mid-season college rankings are crap. If Jordy continues to put up big numbers against good competition, at his size/speed and with his intangibles, he'll be a top 10-15 WR in this draft.

[Mecca]

If he's going to be top 10-15.....he better get his 40 time down which is listed at 4.5-4.6

[Frankie]

Assuming we're drafting 15-22, and assuming he comes out.....

Four words:

Left Tackle Michael Oher.
Info, please.

[KevB]

If he's going to be top 10-15.....he better get his 40 time down which is listed at 4.5-4.6

He might have been 4.5-4.6 last year with his injured knee, but he's faster than that. I've never timed him in the 40, but in all his games this year, he's been faster than most on the field with him. I agree his time will be important. If he runs a 4.6, he drops.

[Saulbadguy]

He ran a 10.6 in the 100 meters back in his HS days. Not bad.

[Sully]

Jordy reminds me of Matt Jones of Arkansas. Jones surprisingly went in the 1st round to Tampa Bay. Could happen to Jordy.
Not a suprise.
Not to Tampa.
About to be cut.

[GoHuge]

Mitch Holthus and Stan Weber have both said he's in the 4.3's and as Saul said he ran a 10.6 100 in HS. I would only assume with the training and college conditioning and growing into his body he's faster than the 10.6 he ran in HS. He ran right by Talib on that go route that he scored on.

I've heard Talib will be a 1st round guy, but that is also from the local media so I'm not sure how accurate that is. I do know that he is one bad dude. I'd love to have one or both of them. We've got to draft a LT or CB with our first pick next year. Talib would be fine with me.

[Saulbadguy]

Mitch Holthus and Stan Weber have both said he's in the 4.3's and as Saul said he ran a 10.6 100 in HS. I would only assume with the training and college conditioning and growing into his body he's faster than the 10.6 he ran in HS. He ran right by Talib on that go route that he scored on.

I've heard Talib will be a 1st round guy, but that is also from the local media so I'm not sure how accurate that is. I do know that he is one bad dude. I'd love to have one or both of them. We've got to draft a LT or CB with our first pick next year. Talib would be fine with me.
Talib will run a crappy combine (similar to Charles Gordon) and his stock will drop.

[Anyong Bluth]

It's up for debate where Talib goes, of course, but I've seen him as high as the 2nd rated CB. I think the only guy that is for certain ahead of him is the guy from Penn St, Justin King. Then you've also got Malcom Jenkins, tOSU, and DeJuan Tribble, BC, and Mike Jenkins ,S.FL.

Realistically, I doubt Jordy runs better than a high 4.3. If he is, more power to the kid, b/c he's got good size and seems like a a guy who will come into a team and bust his ass to help them. If he really has that speed, I hope the Chiefs go after him

[Saulbadguy]

http://inside.kstatesports.com/nelson/

[OnTheWarpath15]

Info, please.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/michael_oher.htm

[Coach]

If he's going to be top 10-15.....he better get his 40 time down which is listed at 4.5-4.6

That's around the 4.4 to 4.5 range that I was aware of. However, I'd be more interested to see his acceleration as well. Some WR's may not be entirely fast/burner, but they can change directions and get seperation from defensive backs.

I also wonder if those rankings are a little tainted, due to the fact that he just goes to Kansas State. I would bet that number probably would be higher if he went to say, Michigan, Ohio State, etc etc.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Nelson's not going in the first round. And if I were a GM there is NO way I'd draft him that high. He's a college game breaker. In the NFL Jordy isn't going to run away from anybody. Round 3 tops.
Same for Talib. Good college player. But he's not a Champ Bailey type, not will he ever be. Another 3rd rounder. Tops.

[WorldWideBalla21]

If he's going to be top 10-15.....he better get his 40 time down which is listed at 4.5-4.6


Jordy's 40 time is in the range from 4.35 - 4.5

That 40 time was from a year ago, when Jordy was nowhere close to 100%, he was fighting through injury the whole year.

if you want to know more about Jordy visit here.
http://inside.kstatesports.com/nelson/
He holds the 3A KS HS record for 100, 200, and 300 yd dash.
Oh and he holds the long jump record also.

I think Jordy could go anywhere from 2nd to 7th round. It all depends on how he does at the combines. That 40 time will be huge, as it always is.

[Saulbadguy]

Jordy's 40 time is in the range from 4.35 - 4.5

That 40 time was from a year ago, when Jordy was nowhere close to 100%, he was fighting through injury the whole year.

if you want to know more about Jordy visit here.
http://inside.kstatesports.com/nelson/
He holds the 3A KS HS record for 100, 200, and 300 yd dash.
Oh and he holds the long jump record also.

I think Jordy could go anywhere from 2nd to 7th round. It all depends on how he does at the combines. That 40 time will be huge, as it always is.
BALLA!!!

[WorldWideBalla21]

Read these!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/10/16/risers.sliders/index.html

http://www.draftdaddy.com/prospects/rankedWR.cfm#X


oh, hey Saul

[Hal McRae]

Read these!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/10/16/risers.sliders/index.html

http://www.draftdaddy.com/prospects/rankedWR.cfm#X


oh, hey Saul




It's weird, the other the day I return from the dentist and have some time waste until the novacane wears off....I stop at a local Borders (book store) and checkout Pro Football Weekly's Early Draft Guide (price: $15.95) and some a$$ clown scout, wannabee named, Nolan Norwacki ranks Jordy the 61st best WR in the Senior class and says he "lacks explosiveness" ROFL

Meanwhile, I checkout his scouting reports on CB's Aqib Talib (Kansas) and Terrance Wheatley (Colorado) and they are glowing about their speed and athletic ability.....I wonder, didn't Jordy bust those 2 for like 14 catches and 230 yards in 2 games...yet he's slow as a freakin turtle :hmmm:

What a joke...I wouldn't pay 2 cents for his nonsense.... :harumph:

P.S: I love the the job the folks at Draftdaddy do (really like there rating of Nelson, seems fair) and I read there blog/draft notes every day:

http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/blog.cfm


Edit was for a typo: Typo

[GarySpFc]

Jordy will be a first day pick, barring injury. He's big, very fast, tough, has put up big numbers, plays on special teams....there will be quite a few teams that fall in love with him. I'd compare him to Anthony Gonzalez from Ohio St. last year, who went at the back of the first round. I think Jordy ends up a 2nd round pick, and will be a good NFL player.

Fast! I may be wrong, but I heard he runs the 40 in 4.51, which is the same as DBo. Sippio is faster than that, and he great hands and is sitting on the bench. Obviously Jordy can run the 100 and other events fast, but it sounds as if he is slow out of the gate.

[Hal McRae]

Fast! I may be wrong, but I heard he runs the 40 in 4.51, which is the same as DBo. Sippio is faster than that, and he great hands and is sitting on the bench. Obviously Jordy can run the 100 and other events fast, but it sounds as if he is slow out of the gate.

Found this link in draftdaddy's blog...Looks like he's fast enough....I'm sure he's faster than the Houston Texans' Kevin Walter (4.6 coming out of E.Mich), and he's on pace for a 1,000 yard season.

http://www.kansas.com/248/story/204705.html

Obviously, Jordy has not run the 40, so it's weird that Pro Football Weekly (gives him a 4.6) and other draft sites list his 40 time :hmmm:

[macdawg]

I'd dedicate a 1st and 3rd rounder to o-line, a second to wr or cb, and if that wr or cb isn't a dynamic kick returner need to dedicate a separate pick to a good kick returner. But for sure at least a 1st & 3rd to o-line, I don't care if we draft o-line first four rounds, its a weakness.

[WorldWideBalla21]

It's pretty obvious Jordy doesn't run in the 4.5's. The last time he ran the Forty was last year when he had a knee injury. He missed at least 5 games last year. He's now at 100% and he's a legit 4.35 - 4.45 guy. Just watch him play. Aquib's 40 time is 4.39 and Jordy torched him when they played. Say he runs a 4.35 at the combines, his stock will soar.

Jordy Nelson 6'3 WR 220 lbs 4.35 Forty

Pros- catches everything thrown his way
has top end speed
big and physical/ breaks tackles
playmaking ability
route running
vision/ YAC
great character, very humble
great special teams player


I honestly don't know what cons the kid has.
I guess maybe he isn't extremely quick off the ball but idk. It's not showing this year.

[RustShack]

When do you guys think Alvin Bowen will get drafted? I wouldn't mind seeing him come in and play back up and ST, then maybe replace Edwards in the future?