K.U.

[djrcmay]

The teams K.U. built their 11-0 record on are 36 wins and 70 losses for the season.

[Mecca]

And people say Ohio State had a cupcake schedule...

[KChiefs1]

stole this from another site......pretty long & interesting read:



MU-KU - Tale of the Tape - LONG
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Ok. I don't post here much, but I'm here reading everyday. I'm bored as hell tonight and I'm f'ing sick of all of the love that KU is getting. So I set out to expose what you and I already know. Their schedule is PATHETIC and any "balance" that they have is gained through beating up on punching bags. I didn't even realize that they played 4 straight cupcakes at home to start. I think this shows each teams body of work and what they have accomplished on the field. Now, Kansas is a good team, there is no doubting that anymore. They don't beat themselves and we will have to play our absolute best game next Saturday to beat them. We will have our hands full stopping that Offense. That said, here is the numbers breakdown for each game. I just looked at points and yards for/against, and turnover margin. I'll break each teams games down into Gimme's and "big games". KU's and MU's stats will be listed first. You will also notice we've played a few more "big ones". Ole Miss being a big game could be argued, but I feel anytime you go on the road in the SEC in week 2 it's big. Anyways....KU first.


GAYHAWKS
Gimme's
1. Central Michigan
52-7
538-294
+2

2. SE Louisana
62-0
501-75
No turnovers

3. Toledo
45-13
557-251
+1

4. FIU (Who?)
55-3
615-255
+2

5. @ Baylor
58-10
447-202
+5

6. Iowa State
45-7
566-234
+1

BIG GAMES
1. @ KSU
30-24
437-363
even

2. @ CU
19-14
333-353
+1

3. @TAMU
19-11
407-318
+1

4. NUBS
76-39
572-484
+5

5. @ OKLA ST
43-28
529-471
+4

MISSOURI
GIMMES
1. Western Michigan
52-24
619-372
+1

2. Illinois St
38-17
581-397
-2

3. Iowa St
42-28
366-389
even

BIG GAMES
1. Illinois, neutral
40-34
429-435
+3

2. @ Ole Miss
38-25
548-534
+2

3. nubs
41-6
606-297
+1

4. @ OU
31-41
418-384
-2

5. Texas Tech
41-10
422-388
+2

6. @ CU
55-10
598-196
+2

7. TAMU
40-26
555-380
even

8. @ KSU
49-32
427-406
+3

Now, margin of victory against their cupcakes is 52.83 - 6.6 in points. 537.3 - 178.83 in yards. And they are +10 in turnovers. In their "big games" it is still good but much lower. 37.4 - 23.2 in points, 455.6 397.8 in yards. And they are +11 turnover margin. These stats are a bit skewed b/c of the Nebraska beatdown. It's apparant to me that they have struggled to win in every other one of thier "big ones". Now, a win is a win and they certainly have done that. Also, it made me feel dirty looking through all of their box scores. I will promptly take a shower after this.


On to Mizzou. We struggled a bit more against our gimmes. 44 - 23 in points, 522 - 386 in yards and -1 in turnover margin. We are probably lucky we didn't lose one of these. In the big games Mizzou has showed thier stripes so to speak. 41.8 - 23 in points, 500.3 - 377.5 in yards. And +11 in turnover margin.


Summary? KU gets alot of attention for that NEB game. They kicked their ass and never let up. That is thier signature win for sure. However, I don't understand how everyone just writes off thier first 4 games against JV teams. Also, how can all of thier close victories not be taken into account? It baffles the mind.


I have alot more confidence after doing this breakdown. I think it is pretty clear that MU gets up for the big ones. If it weren't for that little letdown in Norman we'd be number 1 in the nation right now. We've played everyone they have and beat them worse, outside of ISU. We dominated NU much more thoroughly as well. Our guys should rest easy knowing that they are battle tested. KU might come out tight after a whole week of everyone sucking them off and basically handing them this victory already. Can we play it already?

[Spott]

I don't even care about strength of schedule anymore. I think both teams have proved that they belong in the top 5.

[Mecca]

Ehhh....if you put then in the SEC or the Pac you're looking at probably teams with 4 losses.

[the Talking Can]

KU and MU are going to play...all the fanboy smack is pointless...it will be settled on the field

and if KU were to beat MU and OU then no one could complain...

nobody is going to sneak into the championship...so change your diapers and pop a Zima...

[KCinNY]

Ehhh....if you put then in the SEC or the Pac you're looking at probably teams with 4 losses.

Yeah, with powerhouses like Stanford lurking on the schedule, who can possibly go undefeated in the Pac-10.

[Simply Red]

Ehhh....if you put then in the SEC or the Pac you're looking at probably teams with 4 losses.
arguable, living in and watching Georgia. I think MU would beat them by 2 T.D.'s. LSU may beat both KU and MU, but maybe not. Tough to say on this level.

[Bearcat]

I don't even care about strength of schedule anymore. I think both teams have proved that they belong in the top 5.

Yep... people go on and on about it like the two teams don't play each other. It's easy... if Mizzou wins by 40, Kansas can drop out of the top 25 for all I care. If Kansas wins by 40, Mizzou can drop out of the top 25 for all I care. If it's a good game and neither completely embarrass themselves in the Big 12 champinship game, they deserve their ranking.

With all the complaining about the BCS, this is one time where two highly ranked teams get to settle it on the field.. and one team will get to prove itself twice in the next couple of weeks.

There's no point in spending hours trying to figure out who the best team is on paper.

[Bearcat]

KU and MU are going to play...all the fanboy smack is pointless...it will be settled on the field

and if KU were to beat MU and OU then no one could complain...

nobody is going to sneak into the championship...so change your diapers and pop a Zima...

Yeah, what he said in a long-story-short sort of way..

[Simply Red]

KU and MU are going to play...all the fanboy smack is pointless...it will be settled on the field

and if KU were to beat MU and OU then no one could complain...

nobody is going to sneak into the championship...so change your diapers and pop a Zima...
Did you really mean to say, poop "a Zima?" just sayin. :)

[Bugeater]

It's still difficult to go thru that many games without a letdown. Nevertheless, KU will get their chance to prove if they're for real in the next two weeks. If they crash and burn then you can give them crap for their schedule, but IMO it's irrelevant at this point.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Ehhh....if you put then in the SEC or the Pac you're looking at probably teams with 4 losses.
ROFL

[Bearcat]

It's still difficult to go thru that many games without a letdown. Nevertheless, KU will get their chance to prove if they're for real in the next two weeks. If they crash and burn then you can give them crap for their schedule, but IMO it's irrelevant at this point.

Yep, I don't think Kansas went 10-0 for the first time since 1899 because they had 107 straight years of tough scheduling. They're a good team that benefited from a soft schedule. They're no worse than Boise State last year or Hawaii this year. Second best team in the nation on any given Saturday? No. But, I don't think they're going to lose to Mizzou by 50, either.

[Mecca]

Apparently no one watches those teams play because a mid level team in the SEC like Kentucky is better than most of the Big 12....teams like SC, Cal and Oregon when they are healthy is better than basically the entire Big 12.

[Bugeater]

Apparently no one watches those teams play because a mid level team in the SEC like Kentucky is better than most of the Big 12....teams like SC, Cal and Oregon when they are healthy is better than basically the entire Big 12.
Or maybe we just don't give a shit about those teams because we're in friggin' Big XII country. I'm sure you can find some other board to get a Pac-10 circle-jerk started but it isn't going to happen here.

[Mecca]

I'm just simply saying admit what the conference it is, it is not good and has resulted in the better teams getting the benefit of playing cupcake conference games other schools don't get..

OSU got it too this year......teams like LSU didn't get that.

[the Talking Can]

Apparently no one watches those teams play because a mid level team in the SEC like Kentucky is better than most of the Big 12....teams like SC, Cal and Oregon when they are healthy is better than basically the entire Big 12.

just stop it...please....USC lost to Stanford, they forfeit the right to talk shit on anyone...period

[Pitt Gorilla]

so change your diapers and pop a Zima...Only KU fans/students drink Zima.

[Mecca]

Well sometimes you lose games when your entire Oline is injured, Chiefs fans should know what happens when your lineman are down.

SC at worst would be a top 3 team in the BIG 12 and that's at worst.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Well sometimes you lose games when your entire Oline is injured, Chiefs fans should know what happens when your lineman are down.

SC at worst would be a top 3 team in the BIG 12 and that's at worst.
ROFL

[Mecca]

I think that's funny that you laugh and all but you do realize the talent SC rolls out there right? SC had injuries and played like shit against Stanford and lost.....they lost by 7 to a healthy Oregon team..Oregon with Dennis Dixon is the 1st or 2nd best team in the country...

USC could make Kansas look bad with their athletes...it's cool to be excited because this is the first time Kansas has done anything in football in 100 years but let's use some logic.

The Big 12 as a conference sucks, it is not on the level of the Sec or the Pac which are the top 2 right now that is all I was saying.

[the Talking Can]

Well sometimes you lose games when your entire Oline is injured, Chiefs fans should know what happens when your lineman are down.

SC at worst would be a top 3 team in the BIG 12 and that's at worst.

you can't beat Stanford, but TCU can...

and mighty Cal are a bunch of over rated choke artists...3 loses, including the losses to the fearsome UCLA and Oregon State...

find another year to talk smack...

[Mecca]

Keep going back to Stanford.....if any team in the Big 12 played the schedule SC does they'd have more than 2 losses.

[the Talking Can]

I think that's funny that you laugh and all but you do realize the talent SC rolls out there right? SC had injuries and played like shit against Stanford and lost.....they lost by 7 to a healthy Oregon team..Oregon with Dennis Dixon is the 1st or 2nd best team in the country...

USC could make Kansas look bad with their athletes...it's cool to be excited because this is the first time Kansas has done anything in football in 100 years but let's use some logic.

The Big 12 as a conference sucks, it is not on the level of the Sec or the Pac which are the top 2 right now that is all I was saying.

All I am saying is the obvious: besides Oregon the pac 10 is full of over rated chokers....

your 5th stringers could beat Stanford, right? all that talent...

[Spott]

I wish we could play those defenses in the Pac 10.

[the Talking Can]

Keep going back to Stanford.....if any team in the Big 12 played the schedule SC does they'd have more than 2 losses.

you can talk about hypotheticals

I'm talking about reality...all you had to do was beat a sorry ass team, you couldn't

that's life, your season is now irrelevant

[Mecca]

I'm sorry we all can't play great competition that has a combined record of 36-70.

[Nelson Muntz]

I just think its funny that the same team is a gimme for someone, yet a big game for someone else.

[the Talking Can]

I'm sorry we all can't play great competition that has a combined record of 36-70.

I'm sorry we can't all play Stanford.

Your team choked. Don't blame the Big 12 for such an embarrassing loss.

[Mecca]

Sure, no doubt SC screwed up. But let's not act like as a conference the Big 12 even compares to the Pac or the Sec because it doesn't...this wasn't even meant as an SC argument it's a conference argument.

I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks top top bottom the Big 12 is better than those conferences.

[BigRock]

I'm sorry we all can't play great competition that has a combined record of 36-70.
How many combined wins do the teams in USC's W column have?

[Simply Red]

I'm sorry Mecca. You don't know. Hell, nobody does. Chemisty etc. one never knows when discussing con. to con. I will say this though; If I had to guess I'd say; MU would own Georgia and beat Florida.

[ROYC75]

Keep going back to Stanford.....if any team in the Big 12 played the schedule SC does they'd have more than 2 losses.

Your opinion here carries little merit........

[Mecca]

That's actually a good question......ND really sucking doesn't help it LOL...

Ah well we got Arizona state next week that's a huge game.

[the Talking Can]

Sure, no doubt SC screwed up. But let's not act like as a conference the Big 12 even compares to the Pac or the Sec because it doesn't...this wasn't even meant as an SC argument it's a conference argument.

I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks top top bottom the Big 12 is better than those conferences.


I'd change the argument too if I was you.

No team that lost to Stanford gets to pretend it would win the Big 12.
Cal is a perennially over rated choke job program (and you know it) with 3 loses. Saying they would win the Big 12 is absurd and offensive.

Oregon is a legitimate great team.

You were 1 for 3.

[Mecca]

I'm sorry Mecca. You don't know. Hell, nobody does. Chemisty etc. one never knows when discussing con. to con. I will say this though; If I had to guess I'd say; MU would own Georgia and beat Florida.

No way they beat Florida....no way in hell.....Georgia maybe...

[Mecca]

I'd change the argument too if I was you.

No team that lost to Stanford gets to pretend it would win the Big 12.
Cal is a perennially over rated choke job program (and you know it) with 3 loses. Saying they would win the Big 12 is absurd and offensive.

Oregon is a legitimate great team.

You were 1 for 3.

Um Arizona State is better than the majority of the big 12 too...

I didn't think I'd have to name the entire conference out.....top to bottom it is better.

[Frazod]

How many combined wins do the teams in USC's W column have?

61-67 overall.

Non-conference 14-30

Conference 47-37

And USC didn't play a team that currently has a winning record until October 20.

[Mecca]

Well it'll go over 500 this week seeing as ASU is 9-1.

[Frazod]

Well it'll go over 500 this week seeing as ASU is 9-1.

I already counted them. Try again.

[Simply Red]

No way they beat Florida....no way in hell.....Georgia maybe...
Hmm, It'd be a great game I'd say. MU has more talent on `O` and Florida has a better `D.` A crap shoot most likely. Nobody REALLY knows. Love to see the game though. :)

[Mecca]

Aren't you suppose to be ignoring me and all?

[the Talking Can]

Um Arizona State is better than the majority of the big 12 too...

I didn't think I'd have to name the entire conference out.....top to bottom it is better.

You said that USC, Cal, and Oregon would win the Big 12.

You were wrong.

And USC best win this year is Cal - who Oregon State beat - the rest of your wins are against mid-conference nobodies. Plus you lost to Stanford.

You really have no room to be throwing smack this year.

And you have a common opponent with KU: Nebraska.

Would you like to compare KU and USC's performance against Nebraska?

[beer bacon]

ROFL

I was on another sports forum, and there was an Arkansas fan that claimed that there were seven teams in the SEC that would be undefeated if they were in the Big 12.

[Simply Red]

Aren't you suppose to be ignoring me and all?
Me?

[Spott]

Hmm, It'd be a great game I'd say. MU has more talent on `O` and Florida has a better `D.` A crap shoot most likely. Nobody REALLY knows. Love to see the game though. :)


UF's D is not that good because they lost most of their starters this year. But they do have a pretty good offense that is centered around a running QB. I wouldn't mind seeing that game, especially since I am surrounded by Gator homers here.

[Frazod]

Aren't you suppose to be ignoring me and all?

Your petty jealousy is amusing.

Just think, if you'd stuck with your hometown team and not ran off to root for a team across the country just because they always win, you'd have a top 5 contender right now instead being reduced to whining about how much teams you are envious of suck.

BTW, how's that whole Booty Heisman thing shaking out?

ROFL

[irishjayhawk]

I do have to add that our Conference schedule is out of our control...

[Frazod]

I do have to add that our Conference schedule is out of our control...

None of that matters now.

[irishjayhawk]

None of that matters now.

I know, but our weak ass schedule isn't necessarily entirely our fault. Sure, non-conference is, but conference isn't. And the talking heads keep talking about conference almost more than the non-con.

But I agree. I've always said our season isn't for real until we beat Missouri. Even though I've been slowly believing before now.

[Coach]

As crappy as Kansas cup-cake schedule is, keep in mind that KU had to go to Texas A&M, Colorado, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State to be 11-0. Yeah, none of those teams are "elite" but still, going to the road and winning those games are critical, especially to a point where they are at right now.

This was the KU team that only won 2 Big XII road games in the first 5 years under Mangino, IIRC.

[the Talking Can]

KU vs Neb = 76-39

USC vs Neb = 49-31

[Frazod]

KU vs Neb = 76-39

USC vs Neb = 49-31

And don't forget - MU vs. NU = 41-6.

Wow, the Rubbers must be tough. LMAO

[Mecca]

LOL think what you want, I don't care but the Big 12 sucks ass.....KU hasn't played anyone...

Talk about SC, at least SC has won something in this lifetime...

KU even if they make it can have fun being raped by LSU.

[BigRock]

61-67 overall.

Non-conference 14-30

Conference 47-37

And USC didn't play a team that currently has a winning record until October 20.
Is that their whole schedule, or the teams they've beaten? Another board I was reading said the teams USC has beaten have a combined record of just 34-54, which would be fewer wins than the combined wins of Kansas' opponents. Although obviously Kansas has a few more teams in the W column to add to their total.

[Coach]

LOL think what you want, I don't care but the Big 12 sucks ass.....KU hasn't played anyone...

Talk about SC, at least SC has won something in this lifetime...

KU even if they make it can have fun being raped by LSU.

Remind yourself about the Ohio State/Florida game last year, where you were predicting that Ohio St. was gonna plummel Florida. How that turn out?

Just reminding you.

[Simply Red]

LOL think what you want, I don't care but the Big 12 sucks ass.....KU hasn't played anyone...

Talk about SC, at least SC has won something in this lifetime...

KU even if they make it can have fun being raped by LSU.
C,mon dog. Weak argument living in the past, we're talking about THIS year.

[Frazod]

LOL think what you want, I don't care but the Big 12 sucks ass.....KU hasn't played anyone...

Talk about SC, at least SC has won something in this lifetime...

KU even if they make it can have fun being raped by LSU.

Yeah, you so completely don't care that you've posted about it all night.

You're still a complete and utter tool. But thanks for showing up, because we all needed something that we could agree on tonight. :thumb:

[Coach]

Remind yourself about the Ohio State/Florida game last year, where you were predicting that Ohio St. was gonna plummel Florida. How that turn out?

Just reminding you.

Ah, yes. The infamous, "Florida's gonna get raped in this game.......Chris Leak isn't good enough they've made mistakes in every game a team like OSU will dominate them."

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3600910&postcount=4

[the Talking Can]

LOL think what you want, I don't care but the Big 12 sucks ass.....KU hasn't played anyone...

Talk about SC, at least SC has won something in this lifetime...

KU even if they make it can have fun being raped by LSU.

You obviously can't handle facts.

You said that 3 loss Cal would win the Big 12. Laughable and you know it.
You said USC would win the Big 12. USC lost to Stanford and their best win is...wait for it...Cal.

Oregon would win the Big 12.

1 for 3

I'm trying to be nice. This is not the year for you to talk. But cry if it makes you feel better.

[Mecca]

Remind yourself about the Ohio State/Florida game last year, where you were predicting that Ohio St. was gonna plummel Florida. How that turn out?

Just reminding you.

SEC teams run teams off the field....they don't get run off the field...

what is LSU? I don't believe KU has the athletes remotely capable of competing with that team.

[Bearcat]

Remind yourself about the Ohio State/Florida game last year, where you were predicting that Ohio St. was gonna plummel Florida. How that turn out?

Just reminding you.
Lock the thread, it's over.

:clap:

Yeah, they're an SEC team, but the point stands.. any given day..

[Frazod]

Is that their whole schedule, or the teams they've beaten? Another board I was reading said the teams USC has beaten have a combined record of just 34-54, which would be fewer wins than the combined wins of Kansas' opponents. Although obviously Kansas has a few more teams in the W column to add to their total.

I simply added the current wins/losses of all their opponents, including the team they haven't played yet.

[Mecca]

You obviously can't handle facts.

You said that 3 loss Cal would win the Big 12. Laughable and you know it.
You said USC would win the Big 12. USC lost to Stanford and their best win is...wait for it...Cal.

Oregon would win the Big 12.

1 for 3

I'm trying to be nice. This is not the year for you to talk. But cry if it makes you feel better.

Your facts are your beliefs basically all of that is your opinion...

Obviously I can't win to anyone else here because I'm automatically wrong because I'm on a midwestern board. If you went and read this topic on a lot of other places they'd agree with me....

I bet tons of SEC and Pac fans laugh at this shit and think they'd be 2nd too in this conference.

[Frazod]

Your facts are your beliefs basically all of that is your opinion...

Obviously I can't win to anyone else here because I'm automatically wrong because I'm on a midwestern board. If you went and read this topic on a lot of other places they'd agree with me....

I bet tons of SEC and Pac fans laugh at this shit and think they'd be 2nd too in this conference.

Why don't you find an SEC/PAC board and find out. We'll give you a good reference.

[Coach]

SEC teams run teams off the field....they don't get run off the field...

what is LSU? I don't believe KU has the athletes remotely capable of competing with that team.

Sometimes, it's not all about athleticsm. Sometimes its about playing smart football.

KU is one of the least penalized teams in the nation, not to mention that they are number 1 in the nation on Turnover Margin.

Missouri is 19th in the Turnover Margin, and 6th on least penalized team. Yet you wonder why they are 11-0 and 10-1 respectfully?

Come on now, I thought you know better than that.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Why don't you find an SEC/PAC board and find out. We'll give you a good reference.
thats the first quality post I've read from you in the last two weeks
;)

[the Talking Can]

Your facts are your beliefs basically all of that is your opinion...

Obviously I can't win to anyone else here because I'm automatically wrong because I'm on a midwestern board. If you went and read this topic on a lot of other places they'd agree with me....

I bet tons of SEC and Pac fans laugh at this shit and think they'd be 2nd too in this conference.

I'm offering you facts.

You're pounding the table like a 3 year old.

You made a specific claim. I refuted it.

Now go play Halo and leave the adults to talk.

[Frazod]

thats the first quality post I've read from you in the last two weeks
;)

Thanks, I try. :D

[Coach]

I should also mention that Alabama got beat by LOUISIANA-MONROE, at Alabama! Auburn is overrated, always have been. They almost lost to Kansas State at Auburn. Of course, South Florida did beat them.

[the Talking Can]

I should also mention that Alabama got beat by LOUISIANA-MONROE, at Alabama! Auburn is overrated, always have been. They almost lost to Kansas State at Auburn. Of course, South Florida did beat them.

facts won't get you anywhere with these type of fanboys....

[KCinNY]

ROFL

I love the way that Mecca's idiocy has united the KU/MU guys against him.

[Frazod]

ROFL

I love the way that Mecca's idiocy has united the KU/MU guys against him.

Well, now we know what it takes. :D

[Simply Red]

Mecca is not an idiot. Stubborn? yes. Idiot? I don't think so...

[Coach]

"I expect about 55-10.......in the NC game" -Mecca on picking Ohio St to plummel Florida in the 2007 NC game.

[the Talking Can]

saying Cal is better than MU, KU, and OU is just asinine...

and who would have thought that all 3 teams have better QBs than USC?

[Simplex3]

Both KS and Mizzou fans in general should be run up a flagpole by their underwear. You are guys have lost all perspective and have become some of the most ungrateful sons of bitches I've ever seen related to a sport.

Your teams are great. Unexpectedly great. They're both playing at a level you would never have imagined. If I had told you before the season started that for $100 I could ensure they would be 11-0 and 10-1 heading into this game, but your team would lose and head to a great bowl game where they could whack some POS coastal team you'd have paid me in a heartbeat.

Now here you stand, on the verge of that very thing being your worst case scenario, and you're bickering like a bunch of f**king schoolgirls.

[Bearcat]

ROFL

I love the way that Mecca's idiocy has united the KU/MU guys against him.

We should sticky this thread for the next couple of weeks. Whenever you are thinking about really laying into that KU or MU fan, just take a trip over to the Mecca Lounge, where you can unite and <s>act like the Big 12 is a quarter as good as the SEC</s> talk about the Big 12.

[Frazod]

Bot KS and Mizzou fans in general should be run up a flagpole by their underwear. You are guys have lost all perspective and have become some of the most ungrateful sons of bitches I've ever seen related to a sport.

Your teams are great. Unexpectedly great. They're both playing at a level you would never have imagined. If I had told you before the season started that for $100 I could ensure they would be 11-0 and 10-1 heading into this game, but your team would lose and head to a great bowl game where they could whack some POS coastal team you'd have paid me in a heartbeat.

Now here you stand, on the verge of that very thing being your worst case scenario, and you're bickering like a bunch of f**king schoolgirls.

There is some measure of truth in this statement.

I have let the little people get to me way too much. I will do better.

[Coach]

"Urban will be thrilled when he gets killed on national TV.......Oklahoma vs USC style killed." - Mecca on the Ohio St/FLA NC game.

[Simply Red]

Both KS and Mizzou fans in general should be run up a flagpole by their underwear. You are guys have lost all perspective and have become some of the most ungrateful sons of bitches I've ever seen related to a sport.

Your teams are great. Unexpectedly great. They're both playing at a level you would never have imagined. If I had told you before the season started that for $100 I could ensure they would be 11-0 and 10-1 heading into this game, but your team would lose and head to a great bowl game where they could whack some POS coastal team you'd have paid me in a heartbeat.

Now here you stand, on the verge of that very thing being your worst case scenario, and you're bickering like a bunch of f**king schoolgirls.
Your first part is correct. Your "bickering" part may not be accurate. Mecca is stubborn, very stubborn. Hell he may admit that. We need to keep him in "the right."

[the Talking Can]

Both KS and Mizzou fans in general should be run up a flagpole by their underwear. You are guys have lost all perspective and have become some of the most ungrateful sons of bitches I've ever seen related to a sport.

Your teams are great. Unexpectedly great. They're both playing at a level you would never have imagined. If I had told you before the season started that for $100 I could ensure they would be 11-0 and 10-1 heading into this game, but your team would lose and head to a great bowl game where they could whack some POS coastal team you'd have paid me in a heartbeat.

Now here you stand, on the verge of that very thing being your worst case scenario, and you're bickering like a bunch of f**king schoolgirls.

did you actually read this thread?

[cdcox]

Mecca is not wrong about the strength of the Big12. Does anyone really thing it matches up top to bottom with the SEC this year? When you play strong teams each week, you cannot afford a single bad game, because every bad game gives you a loss. I think both KU and Mizzou have good teams this year, but if they were playing in the SEC, they'd each likely have a vouple losses, just because of the consistently of the competition. Again MU and KU are good teams, but probably not the #2 and #3 teams if there were some kind of tournament.

[Simplex3]

There is some measure of truth in this statement.

I have let the little people get to me way too much. I will do better.
You guys should all be at Arrowhead on Sat. passing out high-fives and partying like you're attending the best thing to ever happen either school's football program, because you are. Every high school football player with any D1 aspirations is going to be watching that game on TV. They're going to see 75,000 screaming fans and two of the best teams in the nation face off. It's going to be freaking electric. It is going to be the best damn thing to happen to recruiting for both colleges in a decade, possibly ever.

If the fans are busy flinging s**t all over the place it's going to cover the shine and sparkle.

Love it now, enjoy it now, soak it all in. It will probably not happen again in your lifetime. Even if this is a launching point for both programs, there will never be another first time they met like this.

[Simplex3]

did you actually read this thread?
Yes. I realize the point isn't dead on for the thread, but it was the best one for my rant.

:)

[teedubya]

There is some measure of truth in this statement.

I have let the little people get to me way too much. I will do better.


I will do better, too. But, Im not changing my avatar or sig. Mwha h hah ahaahaha

[Simplex3]

Mecca is not wrong about the strength of the Big12. Does anyone really thing it matches up top to bottom with the SEC this year? When you play strong teams each week, you cannot afford a single bad game, because every bad game gives you a loss. I think both KU and Mizzou have good teams this year, but if they were playing in the SEC, they'd each likely have a vouple losses, just because of the consistently of the competition. Again MU and KU are good teams, but probably not the #2 and #3 teams if there were some kind of tournament.
They've both shown up and taken care of business every week. What else do you want?

[the Talking Can]

Yes. I realize the point isn't dead on for the thread, but it was the best one for my rant.

:)

its cool...I'm still in my kick-mecca-around mode...

[Coach]

They've both shown up and taken care of business every week. What else do you want?

That's what I been trying to explain. They went on the road, except Missouri's lone loss @ Oklahoma, and took care of business, no matter how crummy that team is. Winning on the road is always going to be tough.

[the Talking Can]

Mecca is not wrong about the strength of the Big12. Does anyone really thing it matches up top to bottom with the SEC this year? When you play strong teams each week, you cannot afford a single bad game, because every bad game gives you a loss. I think both KU and Mizzou have good teams this year, but if they were playing in the SEC, they'd each likely have a vouple losses, just because of the consistently of the competition. Again MU and KU are good teams, but probably not the #2 and #3 teams if there were some kind of tournament.

mecca only resorted to that pointless argument after claiming that Oregon, USC, and Cal would win the Big 12...a claim so easy to refute that he had no choice but to change the subject...

[Bearcat]

You guys should all be at Arrowhead on Sat. passing out high-fives and partying like you're attending the best thing to ever happen either school's football program, because you are. Every high school football player with any D1 aspirations is going to be watching that game on TV. They're going to see 75,000 screaming fans and two of the best teams in the nation face off. It's going to be freaking electric. It is going to be the best damn thing to happen to recruiting for both colleges in a decade, possibly ever.

If the fans are busy flinging s**t all over the place it's going to cover the shine and sparkle.

Love it now, enjoy it now, soak it all in. It will probably not happen again in your lifetime. Even if this is a launching point for both programs, there will never be another first time they met like this.

I think this is more about the rivalry than perspective. People want to know who's going to win, and people want to talk all they can about each team... It doesn't matter if the teams are ranked or at the bottom of the big 12, people are going to argue.

I don't know about sharing high-fives, but I'm sure it'll be a pretty festive at Arrowhead. At the end of the night, I think some fans will bitch about the refs, some will be disgusted with the loss, some will rub it in, but the majority will be respectful and just happy to be there.

[the Talking Can]

That's what I been trying to explain. They went on the road, except Missouri's lone loss @ Oklahoma, and took care of business, no matter how crummy that team is. Winning on the road is always going to be tough.

hell, MU beating Illinios is better than anything USC has done this year...

[cdcox]

They've both shown up and taken care of business every week. What else do you want?

Nothing from the teams.

From the fans, maybe a little perspective. An admission that the shiny records are somewhat a product of the schedule. Sure, enjoy the success, but keep it real.

[irishjayhawk]

Both KS and Mizzou fans in general should be run up a flagpole by their underwear. You are guys have lost all perspective and have become some of the most ungrateful sons of bitches I've ever seen related to a sport.

Your teams are great. Unexpectedly great. They're both playing at a level you would never have imagined. If I had told you before the season started that for $100 I could ensure they would be 11-0 and 10-1 heading into this game, but your team would lose and head to a great bowl game where they could whack some POS coastal team you'd have paid me in a heartbeat.

Now here you stand, on the verge of that very thing being your worst case scenario, and you're bickering like a bunch of f**king schoolgirls.

That's why you won't find me posting much in these threads, other than to point out the occasional flaw in someone's thought process.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

And people say Ohio State had a cupcake schedule...




Washington is NOT that bad. You should know that first hand.

[cdcox]

mecca only resorted to that pointless argument after claiming that Oregon, USC, and Cal would win the Big 12...a claim so easy to refute that he had no choice but to change the subject...

He may get carried away and exaggerate a bit, but his basic point is valid.

[Simplex3]

I think this is more about the rivalry than perspective. People want to know who's going to win, and people want to talk all they can about each team... It doesn't matter if the teams are ranked or at the bottom of the big 12, people are going to argue.
If both teams were cellar-dwellers then argue all you want because nobody but the two of you are paying attention. This is a totally different thing. You are both in the national spotlight. EVERYONE is looking to see how you behave. Acting like sphincters is only going to turn people off (recruits and their parents, anyone?).

I don't know about sharing high-fives, but I'm sure it'll be a pretty festive at Arrowhead. At the end of the night, I think some fans will bitch about the refs, some will be disgusted with the loss, some will rub it in, but the majority will be respectful and just happy to be there.
This season has been a shining success for either team, win or lose Saturday. Period. Now if the fans act like they get that then kids will want to play at those schools. If fans act like a bunch of crybabies and bitch and start fights it's just going to make everyone look like the moronic hillbillies we're constantly trying to prove we aren't.

[beer bacon]

saying Cal is better than MU, KU, and OU is just asinine...

and who would have thought that all 3 teams have better QBs than USC?

DeSean Jackson wishes he could Maclin's jock.

[Simplex3]

Nothing from the teams.

From the fans, maybe a little perspective. An admission that the shiny records are somewhat a product of the schedule. Sure, enjoy the success, but keep it real.
I think we're on the same page...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Ehhh....if you put then in the SEC or the Pac you're looking at probably teams with 4 losses.



That could very well be true for both teams.

[beer bacon]

He may get carried away and exaggerate a bit, but his basic point is valid.

Not really. The PAC-10 and Big 10 aren't exactly full of powerhouses.

[Mecca]

DeSean Jackson wishes he could Maclin's jock.

Yea DeSean Jackson top 15 likely top 10 draft pick.....he really sucks.

[cdcox]

The rivalry thing is huge. It is akin to the '97 playoff game at Arrowhead against the Donks. The loser will feel this one forever.

[Mecca]

Not really. The PAC-10 and Big 10 aren't exactly full of powerhouses.

I never once said the Big 10 was good......I said SEC and Pac.

[beer bacon]

I never once said the Big 10 was good......I said SEC and Pac.

What does the PAC-10 have over the Big 12 this year?

[Bugeater]

mecca only resorted to that pointless argument after claiming that Oregon, USC, and Cal would win the Big 12...a claim so easy to refute that he had no choice but to change the subject...
Not only is it pointless it's ****ing stupid since none of those teams play in the Big XII.

[Coach]

Not only is it pointless it's ****ing stupid since none of those teams play in the Big XII.

Perhaps we may have a better idea once the bowls are set in stone. :shrug:

I know, small sample/only one game, but still.

[KC_Connection]

The rivalry thing is huge. It is akin to the '97 playoff game at Arrowhead against the Donks. The loser will feel this one forever.
Meh, if such a thing were to ever occur to KU, which it wouldn't, I don't anticipate I'd feel too angry. This season that we've had with all this attention would be quite a good consolation prize to me.

[Simplex3]

The rivalry thing is huge. It is akin to the '97 playoff game at Arrowhead against the Donks. The loser will feel this one forever.
That's just dumb. Only a moron would consider this season a failure in any way, shape, or form even if his team lost on Saturday.

[Bugeater]

What does the PAC-10 have over the Big 12 this year?
USC beat Nebraska, but then again...who hasn't.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

ROFL



At a bare minimum, 2 or 3. Don't kid yourself. Kansas has proven zero this year other than they are a better team. Big 12 < Big Ten. The Big Ten is the third best conference in the country. The Pac 10 has beaten the shit out of itself this year. 4 teams have been ranked in the top 5 and 3 have been ranked in the top 2. They're catching up to the SEC.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

At a bare minimum, 2 or 3. Don't kid yourself. Kansas has proven zero this year other than they are a better team. Big 12 < Big Ten. The Big Ten is the third best conference in the country. The Pac 10 has beaten the shit out of itself this year. 4 teams have been ranked in the top 5 and 3 have been ranked in the top 2. They're catching up to the SEC.



For that matter, Big 12 < Big East

[beer bacon]

I don't think California would do any better in the Big 12 this season then Ok. State has done.

USC would probably be in a similar position to Texas: Possible Big 12 championship shot, but not in control of their destiny.

Oregon, with a healthy Dixon, would definitely be in contention for the Big 12 championship.

[Frazod]

USC beat Nebraska, but then again...who hasn't.

KState! :D

(sorry guys)

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Well sometimes you lose games when your entire Oline is injured, Chiefs fans should know what happens when your lineman are down.

SC at worst would be a top 3 team in the BIG 12 and that's at worst.



I hate the Trojans, but they could win the Big 12 this year.

[Simplex3]

On a final note:

For me personally either outcome will be great. If KU wins my sister and her husband, both KU grads, will be thrilled.

If Mizzou wins a young lady with brain damage, who is a friend of the family and has had Mizzou season tickets for more than 15 years, will be thrilled to death. She will be at Arrowhead on Sat. If I hear that any of you act like jackasses and ruin for her I'll hunt you down and beat your ass.

:p

[Mr. Flopnuts]

All I am saying is the obvious: besides Oregon the pac 10 is full of over rated chokers....

your 5th stringers could beat Stanford, right? all that talent...



I think the University of Washington could pull an upset against KU or MU. Really.

[beer bacon]

I hate the Trojans, but they could win the Big 12 this year.

You think the Big East is superior to the Big 12 this season. Your opinion on the subject of the Big 12 is invalid.

[beer bacon]

I think the University of Washington could pull an upset against KU or MU. Really.

OK, now I think I might have been out subtly sarcasmed.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I don't think California would do any better in the Big 12 this season then Ok. State has done.

USC would probably be in a similar position to Texas: Possible Big 12 championship shot, but not in control of their destiny.

Oregon, with a healthy Dixon, would definitely be in contention for the Big 12 championship.



I can't believe the homer glasses are so thick that you think the Big 12 has the talent of the Pac 10. Wow.

[Mosbonian]

Apparently no one watches those teams play because a mid level team in the SEC like Kentucky is better than most of the Big 12....teams like SC, Cal and Oregon when they are healthy is better than basically the entire Big 12.

Mecca:

Normally I stay out of arguing football "power conferences" because all it truly turns out to be are pissing matches. But reading this I can't help myself.

For you to actually have the audacity to shove out that shitty comparison of Kentucky reeks of conference homerism.....something that you usually don't stoop to. Having watched the demise of Kentucky over the last few weeks, I can without reservation,laugh at that comparison.

Plus....pulling the "healthy" card is kinda cheap too. All teams have injuries and that is part of the game. You play with what you have...and you quit whining about it.

Why not just admit it.....for this season, MU and KU are playing just as well, if not better than the top teams in either of the conferences you name. I've watched more SEC football than I care to this year and say with conviction that there aren't any teams in that conference, including LSU that are any better than MU/KU.

mmaddog
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[cdcox]

I don't think California would do any better in the Big 12 this season then Ok. State has done.



That's just nuts. Cal beat Tennessee and Oregon. Ok State's best win is Texas Tech.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

OK, now I think I might have been out subtly sarcasmed.



I wasn't kidding at all. Not a bit. I'm happy that KU and MU are both doing so well. I hope one of them wins the whole thing, but I know damn well neither one of them would have less than 2 losses playing in the Pac 10, the SEC, or the Big 10. I was being sarcastic about the Big East.

[Mecca]

Mecca:

Normally I stay out of arguing football "power conferences" because all it truly turns out to be are pissing matches. But reading this I can't help myself.

For you to actually have the audacity to shove out that shitty comparison of Kentucky reeks of conference homerism.....something that you usually don't stoop to. Having watched the demise of Kentucky over the last few weeks, I can without reservation,laugh at that comparison.

Plus....pulling the "healthy" card is kinda cheap too. All teams have injuries and that is part of the game. You play with what you have...and you quit whining about it.

Why not just admit it.....for this season, MU and KU are playing just as well, if not better than the top teams in either of the conferences you name. I've watched more SEC football than I care to this year and say with conviction that there aren't any teams in that conference, including LSU that are any better than MU/KU.

mmaddog
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Have you seen Kentucky? They are Missouri with a better QB...

[Reerun_KC]

I can't believe the homer glasses are so thick that you think the Big 12 has the talent of the Pac 10. Wow.
So tell me Mr. Flopnuts?

What does the PAC 10 have to do with this game on Saturday? Seriously?

Will it affect the outcome? Does it have any bearing on the Big 12 Championship game? Is there some kind of cross conference stratergy that we are missing?

Seems like pointless argument... We are talking KU/MU here...

[Pablo]

ESPN is all up KU/MU's respective jocks right now. This is nice.

[Ceej]

This thread is....


.....AMAZING!

[beer bacon]

That's just nuts. Cal beat Tennessee and Oregon. Ok State's best win is Texas Tech.

They have also lost five of their last six games.

[beer bacon]

Have you seen Kentucky? They are Missouri with a better QB...

HAHAHAHAHAH

[beer bacon]

Mecca just sent me a PM. Vanderbilt is Kansas with a better defense.

[Reerun_KC]

ESPN is all up KU/MU's respective jocks right now. This is nice.
It is going to turn out to be the game of the year in college football...

This will be the most hyped game of the season...

Good for the Big 12 and KU/MU

[Reerun_KC]

Mecca just sent me a PM. Vanderbilt is Kansas with a better defense.
Vanderbilt still has football?

I never have heard anything about them or ever seen them play.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

So tell me Mr. Flopnuts?

What does the PAC 10 have to do with this game on Saturday? Seriously?

Will it affect the outcome? Does it have any bearing on the Big 12 Championship game? Is there some kind of cross conference stratergy that we are missing?

Seems like pointless argument... We are talking KU/MU here...



Nothing at all. I'm really glad this game, with these implications are going down. Outside of UW, the only teams I root for are MU, and KU in any sports. I was just responding to Mecca, and Beer Bacon about my opinion of the Pac 10, it was a response. I would've never shat in your punch bowl at the party, but I have no problem talking about it when it's brought up.

[KC_Connection]

Mecca just sent me a PM. Vanderbilt is Kansas with a better defense.
Why didn't he post that?

Oh wait, I know why.

HAHAHAHA. LMAO

[Mecca]

Yea that Andre Woodson guy......he sucks.

[Ceej]

Didn't Kentucky lose to Mississippi State? Hmm..

[beer bacon]

Vanderbilt still has football?

I never have heard anything about them or ever seen them play.

They are in the SEC, and if they were in the Big 12 they would be undefeated!

[Mecca]

Why didn't he post that?

Oh wait, I know why.

HAHAHAHA. LMAO

Because I didn't say it...

Act like Kentucky sucks all you want, it's a good team with a great QB, if they were in the Big 12 you'd be looking at them like they were Missouri.

[Pablo]

Yea that Andre Woodson guy......he sucks.Another future NFL flop..

[Extra Point]

Mark Mangino. True follower of the Bill Snyder formula.

[Mecca]

Didn't Kentucky lose to Mississippi State? Hmm..

Didn't they beat LSU?

[cdcox]

They have also lost five of their last six games.

Most of those teams they lost to have winning records. Which speaks to the strength of the Pac-10. They hung within 7 or USC. I don't think Oklahoma State could do that.

[Mecca]

Another future NFL flop..

Because he's black right?

You can't think of anything else...

[Ceej]

Oh, well, then there we have it..

BCS National Championship


Kentucky vs. ILLINOIS! Sweeet!

[Reerun_KC]

Nothing at all. I'm really glad this game, with these implications are going down. Outside of UW, the only teams I root for are MU, and KU in any sports. I was just responding to Mecca, and Beer Bacon about my opinion of the Pac 10, it was a response. I would've never shat in your punch bowl at the party, but I have no problem talking about it when it's brought up.


Just seems irrelivant at this juncture of the season...

Jealousy is a big factor here, KU and MU have a shot at a NC.

USC, Oregon, Cal dont.

So they have to come over and pound their puds and try to make themselves feel better by bashing KU/MU...

Its okay, we will just look down at them, whip it out and take a wiz.

[Ceej]

I would take KU, MU, OU over UK as of right now. UK has been downward spiraling the past 4 games, but that's a stat. And as you say, stats don't always matter!

[Coach]

Mecca just sent me a PM. Vanderbilt is Kansas with a better defense.

Hmm... let's see here.

62nd in the country on Turnover Margin. Kansas is 1st.
35th in rush defense, compared to Kansas' 7th.
22nd in pass defense, compared to Kansas' 50th. That one, Vandy wins.
23rd in total defense, compared to Kansas' 12th.
29th in scoring defense, compared to Kansas' 2nd.
28th in passing defense efficiency, compared to Kansas' 11th.

Other than one statistic that Vandy is better than Kansas, I don't see a merit on his argument.

[Reerun_KC]

Mark Mangino. True follower of the Bill Snyder formula.


Did Bill Snyder eat everything in his path?

[beer bacon]

Just seems irrelivant at this juncture of the season...

Jealousy is a big factor here, KU and MU have a shot at a NC.

USC, Oregon, Cal dont.

So they have to come over and pound their puds and try to make themselves feel better by bashing KU/MU...

Its okay, we will just look down at them, whip it out and take a wiz.

The Big 12 is horrible. I know this is true for a fact, because a WVU fan told me WVU would be a 21 point favorite playing at Columbia or Lawrence.

[Mecca]

That's an awesome way to spin what I said.....

It was an example of a team that compares to them but plays in a better conference.....that is why I said those conferences are better.

[Bearcat]

Mark Mangino. True follower of the Bill Snyder formula.

I know the first thing I thought of when seeing the schedule was "Damn! We're going to the 'ship!".

[Coach]

Yea that Andre Woodson guy......he sucks.

No, he's good, I'll give you that much.

[Pablo]

Didn't Kentucky lose to Mississippi State? Hmm..Yeah, but they're in the SEC so they're naturally more dominate than anything the Big 12 could produce. They're 7-4, but they play in the SEC, so that's alright. If KU/MU played the same schedule as UK they'd be 3-8. That's just how good the SEC is. Their is no parity in college football, the SEC dominates and that is all. LSU is the New England Patriots of college football, utterly unbeatable and immaculate. May God take pity on the poor Big 12 team that may have to play them if they make it that far. KU/MU had better pack body bags, it could get ugly. :rolleyes:

[beer bacon]

Hmm... let's see here.

62nd in the country on Turnover Margin. Kansas is 1st.
35th in rush defense, compared to Kansas' 7th.
22nd in pass defense, compared to Kansas' 50th. That one, Vandy wins.
23rd in total defense, compared to Kansas' 12th.
29th in scoring defense, compared to Kansas' 2nd.
28th in passing defense efficiency, compared to Kansas' 11th.

Other than one statistic that Vandy is better than Kansas, I don't see a merit on his argument.

OK, I made that up. Mecca has never sent me a PM. I just thought it was the next logical progression for Mecca.

[Mecca]

Hmm... let's see here.

62nd in the country on Turnover Margin. Kansas is 1st.
35th in rush defense, compared to Kansas' 7th.
22nd in pass defense, compared to Kansas' 50th. That one, Vandy wins.
23rd in total defense, compared to Kansas' 12th.
29th in scoring defense, compared to Kansas' 2nd.
28th in passing defense efficiency, compared to Kansas' 11th.

Other than one statistic that Vandy is better than Kansas, I don't see a merit on his argument.

That's cool to believe something that didn't happen but hey to each their own.

[Coach]

That's an awesome way to spin what I said.....

It was an example of a team that compares to them but plays in a better conference.....that is why I said those conferences are better.

Not a spin. It's a FACT, based on NCAA Division I statistics.

[Coach]

That's cool to believe something that didn't happen but hey to each their own.

Hey, everything happens for a reason. I mean, like USC losing to Stanford, right?

As bad as the cupcake schedule for the first 4 games, they didn't let them "hang" around, per-se. They blew them out, which is what they were supposed to do.

[beer bacon]

That's cool to believe something that didn't happen but hey to each their own.

Sorry about that Mecca. Everyone, MECCA DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY VANDERBILT IS BETTER THAN KU, but we all know he is thinking it.

[Mecca]

Yeah, but they're in the SEC so they're naturally more dominate than anything the Big 12 could produce. They're 7-4, but they play in the SEC, so that's alright. If KU/MU played the same schedule as UK they'd be 3-8. That's just how good the SEC is. Their is no parity in college football, the SEC dominates and that is all. LSU is the New England Patriots of college football, utterly unbeatable and immaculate. May God take pity on the poor Big 12 team that may have to play them if they make it that far. KU/MU had better pack body bags, it could get ugly. :rolleyes:

Go compare schedules...I'll give you a wild guess who's is better....

I mean really Florida, Georgia, LSU those teams would kill every team in the big 12..

Also Kentuckys win over LSU is far better than any MU or KU win.

[SPchief]

This season has been a shining success for either team, win or lose Saturday. Period. Now if the fans act like they get that then kids will want to play at those schools. If fans act like a bunch of crybabies and bitch and start fights it's just going to make everyone look like the moronic hillbillies we're constantly trying to prove we aren't.


I don't think you grasp how much hatred is fueled in this rivalry.

[Ceej]

So, Mecca, at this point in time you'd take a team who has lost 3 out of 4, over a team who has won 11 in a row?

Do you feel that momentum is irrelevant in football?

[Mecca]

Not a spin. It's a FACT, based on NCAA Division I statistics.

I was talking to CJ not you......

Look..Kentucky played Florida and LSU.....you really think any team in the Big 12 compares to those 2?

[cdcox]

I would take KU, MU, OU over UK as of right now. UK has been downward spiraling the past 4 games, but that's a stat. And as you say, stats don't always matter!

I probably would too, but UK is in the middle of the pack among SEC teams this year.

[Pablo]

Because he's black right?

You can't think of anything else...Because he's unimpressive. Troy Smith was a better QB last year than Andre Woodson is this year, and I liked Troy Smith. Troy Smith will fail in the NFL, so will Woodson.
7-4 doesn't impress me. Regardless of the division, Andre Woodson is a good QB, not a great QB, not NFL starter caliber material. Chase Daniel will have a much more impressive senior year than Andre Woodson could dream of.

[Mecca]

LOL...He's nothing like Troy Smith...

You probably think he runs too cause he's black, way to call it.

You just said Daniel is better than Woodson.....1 is a top 15 pick the other is probably a 2nd day pick...

You rule man really.

[Mosbonian]

Have you seen Kentucky? They are Missouri with a better QB...

Do you ever pay attention to where I live now? I've only stated it in about 30 threads bare minimum. Let me help you.....I live 5 miles away from the first Toyota plant in the US.....from where I work I could jog to Commonwealth Stadium.....approximately 6 miles from where I work and 10 miles from where I live is Calumet Farms, home to many Derby winners.....I'm approximately 70 miles south of Cinncinnati on I-75.

If you answered I live in Kentucky(Lexington/Georgetown to be exact)...you win the prize.

I have watched KY all year long....and that vaunted QB you talk about is slow and average....and has been shown to be nowhere near the Pro candidate everyone was slobbering about. Hell, even the staunchest Wildcat fan now will admit that Woodson was OVER-RATED!

Nice try....but Kentucky couldn't hold Mizzou's jock, and to compare Woodson to Chase Daniel only added question marks to your ability to truly assess talent.

mmaddog
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[Ceej]

This is all irrelevant.

Mecca just enjoys the attention he gets because he disagrees with everyone here.

I hope to God if KU doesn't make the BCS Championship they play a PAC10, SEC team.

[Mecca]

HAHA.....

He sucks so much he'll go in the top 15......man some people.

[Extra Point]

Mecca, take your "Tales from the Crypt" haircut and buy a one-way ticket to SoCal, then hit on as many USC chicks you think you can, but will be unable to, score. Your negativity is unquestioned, especially for the Chiefs, and your presence is no longer requested.

[Coach]

I was talking to CJ not you......

Look..Kentucky played Florida and LSU.....you really think any team in the Big 12 compares to those 2?

It's possible. Again, you don't become number 2 in scoring defense by sheer luck. You dont' become number 12 in total defense by sheer luck.

I'm not a KU fan, but they do play disciplined defense, regardless of which conference they are in.

[Mecca]

This is all irrelevant.

Mecca just enjoys the attention he gets because he disagrees with everyone here.

I hope to God if KU doesn't make the BCS Championship they play a PAC10, SEC team.

Good, they won't even compete with LSU.

[Mosbonian]

Yea that Andre Woodson guy......he sucks.

note...see above.

mmaddog
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[Pablo]

LOL...He's nothing like Troy Smith...

You probably think he runs too cause he's black, way to call it.

You just said Daniel is better than Woodson.....1 is a top 15 pick the other is probably a 2nd day pick...

You rule man really.Woodson doesn't run that much. In the two UK games I managed to watch, he threw the ball well. That's it. Didn't light my world on fire. Not great, and his draft stock is falling fast as hell, so don't hold on too tightly to that Top 15 prediction.

And I said Daniel will have a better senior year, which he will.

[Ceej]

LOL...He's nothing like Troy Smith...

You probably think he runs too cause he's black, way to call it.

You just said Daniel is better than Woodson.....1 is a top 15 pick the other is probably a 2nd day pick...

You rule man really.


This is college football, one is being considered a Heisman canidate. One has helped himself off the list. Hmm..

[Reerun_KC]

Go compare schedules...I'll give you a wild guess who's is better....

I mean really Florida, Georgia, LSU those teams would kill every team in the big 12..

Also Kentuckys win over LSU is far better than any MU or KU win.


So seriously Mecca?

Why the argument then? Who really cares what the SEC does? You are taking this hypothetical argument and trying to validate your points with situations and data that cant be argued.

We are talking the difference in conferences.

You play what is in front of you and you take care of your business. I honestly could careless about he SEC or any of the teams in the SEC...

So does it really matter? IF KU and MU take care of their own business like they have all year, they will play for the NC and the SEC, PAC10, Big11 or whomever will just have to deal with it..

And if they don't? again who cares, as a KU fan, this has been a dream season, and some PAC10 fan isn't going to take that away regardless of what hypothetical argument he try's to validate...

Enjoy the game. The hype it receives is justified.

[SPchief]

USC beat Nebraska, but then again...who hasn't.


K-state

[beer bacon]

Good, they won't even compete with LSU.

Everybody is competitive when they play LSU.

[Coach]

Because he's unimpressive. Troy Smith was a better QB last year than Andre Woodson is this year, and I liked Troy Smith. Troy Smith will fail in the NFL, so will Woodson.
7-4 doesn't impress me. Regardless of the division, Andre Woodson is a good QB, not a great QB, not NFL starter caliber material. Chase Daniel will have a much more impressive senior year than Andre Woodson could dream of.

Me and Mecca may not agree on a whole alot, but this one I have to agree with him. Woodson is nowhere even close to Troy Smith, even though Smith won the Heisman trophy, Woodson has more upside than Smith does, especially for the next level.

I should also point out that Smith played in the Big 10, which isn't a great conference, while Woodson playing in the SEC, which is a better conference than Big 10.

[Mosbonian]

Because I didn't say it...

Act like Kentucky sucks all you want, it's a good team with a great QB, if they were in the Big 12 you'd be looking at them like they were Missouri.

Have you been watching the same Kentucky games that I have....you can't have!! You have a much more rosey opinion of Woodson than most experts around here.

mmaddog
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[Mecca]

Oh my ****ing god......homer shit...

Go talk to anyone about which guy is better and has more talent....which guy will play on Sunday.

If you think Chase Daniel is even remotely in Woodsons league just kill yourself.

[Ceej]

MECCA HATES WHITES!!!!!!!!1!!!!

[beer bacon]

Have you been watching the same Kentucky games that I have....you can't have!! You have a much more rosey opinion of Woodson than most experts around here.

mmaddog
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I am sorry, but nobody in the Big 12 could stay within 17 of Mississippi State @home like Kentucky did. Nobody!

[Mecca]

If Andre Woodson is on the board at the Chiefs pick they better take him.

[Ceej]

If Andre Woodson is on the board at the Chiefs pick they better take him.


WTF do you care? You're not even a fan.

[Reerun_KC]

If Andre Woodson is on the board at the Chiefs pick they better take him.
Can he play LT?

[beer bacon]

Oh my ****ing god......homer shit...

Go talk to anyone about which guy is better and has more talent....which guy will play on Sunday.

If you think Chase Daniel is even remotely in Woodsons league just kill yourself.

Which one is going to be a Heisman finalist this season?

[SPchief]

KState! :D

(sorry guys)


Damn you Frazod :cuss: beat me to it.

[Mosbonian]

Go compare schedules...I'll give you a wild guess who's is better....

I mean really Florida, Georgia, LSU those teams would kill every team in the big 12..

Also Kentuckys win over LSU is far better than any MU or KU win.

That was the Wildcat's National Championship....playing at home and beating LSU in OT. Since then they have pretty much been average. Did you see Georgia handle them today?

mmaddog
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[beer bacon]

Can he play LT?

No, but he is 6-5. You know a guy that tall is a great QB.

[Mecca]

Considering Woodson is being talked about as the #1 QB in the draft I'd like to know where you get this draft stock falling thing from.

[Coach]

No, but he is 6-5. You know a guy that tall is a great QB.

Well, 29 TD's and only 7 INT's in a very good SEC conference tells me otherwise. :shrug:

[Ceej]

No, but he is 6-5. You know a guy that tall is a great QB.


He throws spirals too.

[Reerun_KC]

No, but he is 6-5. You know a guy that tall is a great QB.
Print'em

[Mecca]

That was the Wildcat's National Championship....playing at home and beating LSU in OT. Since then they have pretty much been average. Did you see Georgia handle them today?

mmaddog
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Yea and guess what.....Georgia is a damn good team.

The comparison is simple to me if Missouri was in the SEC they'd be in Kentuckys spot, maybe a slightly better version although yes Kentucky has the better QB...

Talk stats and Heisman but for talent and NFL prospects Woodson>Daniel

[Pablo]

Go suck off the Pac 10. This is Big 12 country and nothing you have to say will be recieved in a positive manner.

All you do is bash the Chiefs on a Chiefs board, and talk shit on Big 12 teams, and tote how great every other team in the nation is. Being level-headed is perfectly fine, but your lack the ability to acknowledge the fact KU and MU have good athletes that could compete with any team in the nation. That's not being a homer. KU and MU both have great athletes, and when you line up across the field from another team you don't think, "OMG, these guys play against teams like Auburn, Alabama, Kentucky..we're already beat." They can compete. Regardless of who you play, you have to have some offensive firepower to put up 76 points. That's not a fluke. KU and MU deserve respect, because even if they play in a lesser division, it's pretty damn hard to lose 0 or 1 game this year.

If you truly believe Florida, Georgia, or LSU would rape KU/MU, then you're failing to take advantage of your locally aired programs each Saturday. They might win, but it wouldn't be the massacre you predict.

[Mecca]

Well, 29 TD's and only 7 INT's in a very good SEC conference tells me otherwise. :shrug:

He sucks because some guy on the board said so.....

We obviously want Daniel instead....

[beer bacon]

Yea and guess what.....Georgia is a damn good team.

The comparison is simple to me if Missouri was in the SEC they'd be in Kentuckys spot, maybe a slightly better version although yes Kentucky has the better QB...

Talk stats and Heisman but for talent and NFL prospects Woodson>Daniel

The only tangible Andre has over Chase is height.

[Mecca]

Go suck off the Pac 10. This is Big 12 country and nothing you have to say will be recieved in a positive manner.

All you do is bash the Chiefs on a Chiefs board, and talk shit on Big 12 teams, and tote how great every other team in the nation is. Being level-headed is perfectly fine, but your lack the ability to acknowledge the fact KU and MU have good athletes that could compete with any team in the nation. That's not being a homer. KU and MU both have great athletes, and when you line up across the field from another team you don't think, "OMG, these guys play against teams like Auburn, Alabama, Kentucky..we're already beat." They can compete. Regardless of who you play, you have to have some offensive firepower to put up 76 points. That's not a fluke. KU and MU deserve respect, because even if they play in a lesser division, it's pretty damn hard to lose 0 or 1 game this year.

If you truly believe Florida, Georgia, or LSU would rape KU/MU, then you're failing to take advantage of your locally aired programs each Saturday. They might win, but it wouldn't be the massacre you predict.

Tell me about how QB's are busts because they are black again....

[Reerun_KC]

Go suck off the Pac 10. This is Big 12 country and nothing you have to say will be recieved in a positive manner.

All you do is bash the Chiefs on a Chiefs board, and talk shit on Big 12 teams, and tote how great every other team in the nation is. Being level-headed is perfectly fine, but your lack the ability to acknowledge the fact KU and MU have good athletes that could compete with any team in the nation. That's not being a homer. KU and MU both have great athletes, and when you line up across the field from another team you don't think, "OMG, these guys play against teams like Auburn, Alabama, Kentucky..we're already beat." They can compete. Regardless of who you play, you have to have some offensive firepower to put up 76 points. That's not a fluke. KU and MU deserve respect, because even if they play in a lesser division, it's pretty damn hard to lose 0 or 1 game this year.

If you truly believe Florida, Georgia, or LSU would rape KU/MU, then you're failing to take advantage of your locally aired programs each Saturday. They might win, but it wouldn't be the massacre you predict.


Rep :bravo:

[Mecca]

The only tangible Andre has over Chase is height.

He's more accurate and has a better arm too.....he doesn't run as well...

[Ceej]

Mecca, tell us how Kampman and Peppers are better than Allen again.

Tell us how bad OSU will beat Florida, please.

[Coach]

He sucks because some guy on the board said so.....

We obviously want Daniel instead....

Don't knock on Daniel as well. He's pretty good as well. 26 TD's with 9 INT in a pretty good conference as well.

[Mecca]

Mecca, tell us how Kampman and Peppers are better than Allen again.

Tell us how bad OSU will be Florida, please.

Yea Allen is better than Julius Peppers right.....8 games are better than Peppers career....

Blow me dude really. This is ridiculous god forbid I disagree with the ****in homers.

[beer bacon]

Don't knock on Daniel as well. He's pretty good as well. 26 TD's with 9 INT in a pretty good conference as well.

30 passing TDs, 3 rushing, and 9 INTs.

[Mecca]

Don't knock on Daniel as well. He's pretty good as well. 26 TD's with 9 INT in a pretty good conference as well.

Chase Daniel can't even play in the NFL since he's a midget.

[Frazod]

Go suck off the Pac 10. This is Big 12 country and nothing you have to say will be recieved in a positive manner.

All you do is bash the Chiefs on a Chiefs board, and talk shit on Big 12 teams, and tote how great every other team in the nation is. Being level-headed is perfectly fine, but your lack the ability to acknowledge the fact KU and MU have good athletes that could compete with any team in the nation. That's not being a homer. KU and MU both have great athletes, and when you line up across the field from another team you don't think, "OMG, these guys play against teams like Auburn, Alabama, Kentucky..we're already beat." They can compete. Regardless of who you play, you have to have some offensive firepower to put up 76 points. That's not a fluke. KU and MU deserve respect, because even if they play in a lesser division, it's pretty damn hard to lose 0 or 1 game this year.

If you truly believe Florida, Georgia, or LSU would rape KU/MU, then you're failing to take advantage of your locally aired programs each Saturday. They might win, but it wouldn't be the massacre you predict.

Bravo.

Mecca can't stand the idea of happy Chief fans - regardless of what we're happy about.

[Ceej]

God forbid you DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING POSTED! EVERYTHING.


Go get on myspace.

[Coach]

He's more accurate and has a better arm too.....he doesn't run as well...

Better arm, possibly, but the accurate is a little below.

Woodson - 63.56%
Daniel - 69.38%

[beer bacon]

Yea Allen is better than Julius Peppers right.....8 games are better than Peppers career....

Blow me dude really. This is ridiculous god forbid I disagree with the ****in homers.

Everyone that disagrees with you is indeed a homer Mecca. We all know deep, deep in our hearts that a team with four losses in the SEC would be undefeated in the Big 12. You have proved that.

[Mosbonian]

Oh my ****ing god......homer shit...

Go talk to anyone about which guy is better and has more talent....which guy will play on Sunday.

If you think Chase Daniel is even remotely in Woodsons league just kill yourself.

Let me help you here......

Look at the QB ratings....

Chase Daniel Mo 10 154.7 405 281 69.4 3306 330.6 8.2 26 9 13 -116

Andre' Woodson UK 10 147.0 365 232 63.6 2653 265.3 7.3 29 7 24 -174

You need some serious help....man.

And if you actually listen to the talking heads, read something other than the PAC-10 love letter, you'd see that every good analyst is high on Daniels.....even mentioning him in the Heisman. Woodson hasn't sniffed being in that chat since the LSU game.

mmaddog
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[Mecca]

Um I'm disagreeing with shit that is retarded....

No one would agree with this other than other fans of the team like are here...

Go post on the NFLdraftcountdown forum that Daniel is better than Woodson you'll get shit on...really just because this little sector of the net disagrees with me doesn't mean I'm wrong but hey that's fine if you wanna think that.

[Ceej]

Mecca, why are you here?

Does stirring shit give you a boner?

[Mosbonian]

Considering Woodson is being talked about as the #1 QB in the draft I'd like to know where you get this draft stock falling thing from.

Where did you get this from? Because he hasn't been mentioned as the #1 QB in the last few weeks....

The only way he would be considered the #1 QB in the draft is if all the really good QB's are all underclassmen.

mmaddog
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[Mecca]

Better arm, possibly, but the accurate is a little below.

Woodson - 63.56%
Daniel - 69.38%

I think Missouri has better skill position players than Kentucky does....Kentucky is Andre Woodson without him they win 1 game.

[Pablo]

Tell me about how QB's are busts because they are black again....Vince Young is a bust. I don't like Vince Young. I don't like QB's that break down and scramble instead of staying in the pocket. Find a post where I said black QB's are busts. Steve McNair used to be good, Donovan McNabb used to be good, their glory days are short lived because they got injured. Running outside of the pocket= injuries.

[Mecca]

Where did you get this from? Because he hasn't been mentioned as the #1 QB in the last few weeks....

The only way he would be considered the #1 QB in the draft is if all the really good QB's are all underclassmen.

mmaddog
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Apparently you haven't seen Brian Brohm play this year......

There's 3 QB's....

[SPchief]

Um I'm disagreeing with shit that is retarded....

No one would agree with this other than other fans of the team like are here...

Go post on the NFLdraftcountdown forum that Daniel is better than Woodson you'll get shit on...really just because this little sector of the net disagrees with me doesn't mean I'm wrong but hey that's fine if you wanna think that.


What was their opinion of Ryan Leaf?

[Reerun_KC]

Vince Young is a bust. I don't like Vince Young. I don't like QB's that break down and scramble instead of staying in the pocket. Find a post where I said black QB's are busts. Steve McNair used to be good, Donovan McNabb used to be good, their glory days are short lived because they got injured. Running outside of the pocket= injuries.


Killing dogs doesnt help a scrambling mans career either...

[Mecca]

What was their opinion of Ryan Leaf?

Well he was a good college player.

[Reerun_KC]

What was their opinion of Ryan Leaf?

HOF bound?

[Coach]

Um I'm disagreeing with shit that is retarded....

No one would agree with this other than other fans of the team like are here...

Go post on the NFLdraftcountdown forum that Daniel is better than Woodson you'll get shit on...really just because this little sector of the net disagrees with me doesn't mean I'm wrong but hey that's fine if you wanna think that.

Look, Woodson is gonna be drafted higher than Daniel, I'm almost positive of that. However, plenty of small quarterbacks have succeeded in the NFL, so that doesn't mean Daniel will be a bad signal caller; it just means he won't get drafted as high as he should.

[Ceej]

OBVIOUSLY he was a good college player because he played in the P10, duh.

[beer bacon]

Apparently you haven't seen Brian Brohm play this year......

There's 3 QB's....

Brohm has been great this season. If you are talking about a QB with nothing around, Brohm is a perfect example. The rest of his team is garbage.

[Mecca]

Small......give me a 6' QB that is good in the league...

Daniel reminds me of Stefan Lefors who was a good college player know where he is now....Canada.

[Mosbonian]

Yea and guess what.....Georgia is a damn good team.

The comparison is simple to me if Missouri was in the SEC they'd be in Kentuckys spot, maybe a slightly better version although yes Kentucky has the better QB...

Talk stats and Heisman but for talent and NFL prospects Woodson>Daniel

Sorry...but you and a few others might be the only ones thinking that Woodson is a better QB than Daniels.

And BTW....on the local radio sports channel, they recently has one of the draft analysts on. They were quizzing him about all the SEC candidates...when the talk turned to Woodson, it wasn't about being drafted as a QB...it was how his stock had dropped since LSU, and how Woodson needed to prepare himself for a differenct role in the NFL....like a DB or 3rd Down receiver.

mmaddog
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[Pablo]

Um I'm disagreeing with shit that is retarded....

No one would agree with this other than other fans of the team like are here...

Go post on the NFLdraftcountdown forum that Daniel is better than Woodson you'll get shit on...really just because this little sector of the net disagrees with me doesn't mean I'm wrong but hey that's fine if you wanna think that.Chase Daniel is a junior. He'll be even better next year. He'll be better next year than Woodson is this year. He'll have more instruments around him next year to succeed as well. Next year Daniel will be in a better position than Woodson is this year. I'm a KU fan, and I can see Daniel is a stud. I don't like MU, but I acknowledge the fact that this guy goes out and plays smart and makes big throws.

[Mecca]

Brohm has been great this season. If you are talking about a QB with nothing around, Brohm is a perfect example. The rest of his team is garbage.

That is a good example but there are people that rail on him too, and I'm not really a fan of Matt Ryan.

I think Brohm and Woodson are about even it's who you like.

[Coach]

I think Missouri has better skill position players than Kentucky does....Kentucky is Andre Woodson without him they win 1 game.

That's debateable, sure. But then again, in the NFL, no QB can succeed without excellent skill position players, not to mention, a offensive line as well.

[1ChiefsDan]

Go compare schedules...I'll give you a wild guess who's is better....

I mean really Florida, Georgia, LSU those teams would kill every team in the big 12..

Also Kentuckys win over LSU is far better than any MU or KU win.Why? Oh wait, mecca is all knowing - please share the magic great Oz.

[Mecca]

Sorry...but you and a few others might be the only ones thinking that Woodson is a better QB than Daniels.

And BTW....on the local radio sports channel, they recently has one of the draft analysts on. They were quizzing him about all the SEC candidates...when the talk turned to Woodson, it wasn't about being drafted as a QB...it was how his stock had dropped since LSU, and how Woodson needed to prepare himself for a differenct role in the NFL....like a DB or 3rd Down receiver.

mmaddog
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Um he isn't even fast......he doesn't run.

You are sure giving me a feeling you don't know what you are talking about now. "Oh he's black he must run"

[Mosbonian]

He's more accurate and has a better arm too.....he doesn't run as well...

Wrong.....wrong...wrong.....his arm is what will keep him from the NFL.

mmaddog
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[Coach]

That is a good example but there are people that rail on him too, and I'm not really a fan of Matt Ryan.

I think Brohm and Woodson are about even it's who you like.

Eh, I'm not sold on Brohm, or Ryan as well. The only reason why Brohm would be higher than Woodson is becuase of the Falcons, who would more than likely would select him, provided Atlanta is in the top 5.

[Mecca]

I don't think you've seen even remotely the same guy everyone else has....

[1ChiefsDan]

LOL...He's nothing like Troy Smith...

You probably think he runs too cause he's black, way to call it.

You just said Daniel is better than Woodson.....1 is a top 15 pick the other is probably a 2nd day pick...

You rule man really.good god - how many times can you play the race card in one thread. shut up.

[Ceej]

Use common sense, if you don't like the homerism here - LEAVE. Retard.

[Mecca]

Andre Woodsons 40 is 4.8.........yea he's a DB or WR.

[Mecca]

good god - how many times can you play the race card in one thread. shut up.

It's actually pretty common that people assume all black QB's run.

[Coach]

Andre Woodsons 40 is 4.8.........yea he's a DB or WR.

Compared to Chase's 4.58. :shrug:

[Mosbonian]

Um he isn't even fast......he doesn't run.

You are sure giving me a feeling you don't know what you are talking about now. "Oh he's black he must run"

No...I am getting a pretty good instinct that you haven't watched him much and are talking out your ass to cover yourself.

Re-read my earlier post....I have seen every game he has played in this year. I can pretty well bet that unless you have the ESPN sports package you have seen him less than me.

And BTW, you don't have to be fast to be the 3rd down receiver...you have to have good hands. You're starting to sound like Packfan used to here...do I need to ask you what an H-back is?

I've watched Woodson from his home turf all year....I doubt you have.

Oh....and thanks for making that ASSumption about what you thought I was trying to imply....("Oh he's black he must run). Pretty nice to try and play the race card....but it won't wash.

mmaddog
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[Ceej]

We are racists, homers, and we like the Chiefs and big 12.

Don't like it? Leave. Durrrr.....

[SPchief]

When the whole board (consisting of fans of other teams than Ku/Mu) is disagreeing with Mecca, you would think he would give up. But nope,

[Mecca]

Compared to Chase's 4.58. :shrug:

I said Daniel was faster than he is.

[Coach]

I said Daniel was faster than he is.

Ah, my apologies. I thought you were referring to that Woodson is faster than Chase, but that's my fault. I mis-read it.

Even that, I couldn't care less how fast my QB runs. I just want my QB to be able to read a defense, go through his checkdowns, and be able to be quick enough to elude the rush and still be able to get a pass off, or at least get positive yardage.

[Mecca]

No...I am getting a pretty good instinct that you haven't watched him much and are talking out your ass to cover yourself.

Re-read my earlier post....I have seen every game he has played in this year. I can pretty well bet that unless you have the ESPN sports package you have seen him less than me.

And BTW, you don't have to be fast to be the 3rd down receiver...you have to have good hands. You're starting to sound like Packfan used to here...do I need to ask you what an H-back is?

I've watched Woodson from his home turf all year....I doubt you have.

Oh....and thanks for making that ASSumption about what you thought I was trying to imply....("Oh he's black he must run). Pretty nice to try and play the race card....but it won't wash.

mmaddog
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Woodson is not fast how can he remotely play WR or DB? It would be like asking Matt Ryan to do that...

[Mosbonian]

Apparently you haven't seen Brian Brohm play this year......

There's 3 QB's....

Do you really not read my posts? Let me help you here....I LIVE IN KENTUCKY...I SEE EVERY UK WILDCAT AND LOUISVILLE CARDINAL GAME ON TV!!!!!!

Brohm has completely blown it this year....and the fact that you try to bring him up shows you are reaching.

mmaddog
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[Mecca]

Ah, my apologies. I thought you were referring to that Woodson is faster than Chase, but that's my fault. I mis-read it.

Even that, I couldn't care less how fast my QB runs. I just want my QB to be able to read a defense, go through his checkdowns, and be able to be quick enough to elude the rush and still be able to get a pass off, or at least get positive yardage.

I still think people assume Woodson can run or play WR cause he's black. It has nothing to do with being racist it is a perception.

[Mecca]

Do you really not read my posts? Let me help you here....I LIVE IN KENTUCKY...I SEE EVERY UK WILDCAT AND LOUISVILLE CARDINAL GAME ON TV!!!!!!

Brohm has completely blown it this year....and the fact that you try to bring him up shows you are reaching.

mmaddog
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So there's no QB's in this years draft then because you just trashed the top 2 guys.

[Mosbonian]

Brohm has been great this season. If you are talking about a QB with nothing around, Brohm is a perfect example. The rest of his team is garbage.

I disagree....Brohm's stock has pretty much taken a beating this year.

mmaddog
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[Pablo]

Do you really not read my posts? Let me help you here....I LIVE IN KENTUCKY...I SEE EVERY UK WILDCAT AND LOUISVILLE CARDINAL GAME ON TV!!!!!!

Brohm has completely blown it this year....and the fact that you try to bring him up shows you are reaching.

mmaddog
*******Yeah, but Mecca is the expert on teams halfway across the nation. I'm sure he manages to fit in watching every SEC, Pac 10, ACC, and Big East game every week.

Why the hell are we stupid homers watching locally broadcasted games instead of checking out teams a thousand miles away.

Oh, we're actually fans of the programs we talk about. I'm sure he's the biggest USC fan you'll meet. As long as they're winning national championships and he can pile on every other team in the nation that is.