Herm Edwards is a Coward and a Loser.

[the Talking Can]

And no one can say otherwise.


Dungy plays to win.

Herm plays to lose.


HE WON'T EVEN TRY TO WIN.


AND WE ARE STUCK WITH HIM.

[dj56dt58]

he's a ****ing douchebag who never seems to learn. and wtf was the last play?? even on the last play we play conservative...jesus christ i can watch this shit anymore

[headsnap]

on Herm's graduated grading scale this was a win!

[dirk digler]

Herm is pathetic and no way should be allowed to coach a NFL team.

I hope Herm, Solari, and Dick Curl get syphilis from butt-****ing each other

[the Talking Can]

They wouldn't let Croyle win the game.

How pissed should the D be?

Herm wastes one our best D efforts in Years. I hope Allen gets drunk and punches in him the pussy.

[MIAdragon]

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F U Herm

[kcpasco]

Yep Herm is blaming turnovers field position and missed fg's. Someone please fire this ****ing retard now.

[ThaVirus]

Manning with a 50% completion rate for only 163 and an INT...Addai with only 72 rushing yards...Reggie Wayne with 4 catches 75 yards and no TDs...Vinatieri only 2/4.

And we still couldn't find a way to win...

[headsnap]

Can, it's time to put Herm or at least Solari in the avi crapper.

We've gotten rid of Huard time to move on!




keep chopping wood...

[FringeNC]

Yep Herm is blaming turnovers field position and missed fg's.

Sickening. Just literally sickening.

[The Bad Guy]

Hilarious that no one blames Rayner for failing to do his job.

I get it though. Herm is to blame for all the problems, but gets ZERO credit for turning this defense into a contender and actually playing competitively on the road.

[stevieray]

right on cue...Huard to Herm.

[The Bad Guy]

Yep Herm is blaming turnovers field position and missed fg's. Someone please fire this ****ing retard now.

So Kennison's fumble and Rayner's field goals mean nothing?

Interesting perspective.

[Chief Pote]

I've watched these ****ers for 30 plus years and this is painful as any. They should fire herm immediately. Can anyone tell me if any other team misses more field goals in a years time than this pathetic team.

Chiefs Ad in the KC Star.....wanted field goal kicker that sucks apply within.

[cookster50]

I get it though. Herm is to blame for all the problems, but gets ZERO credit for turning this defense into a contender and actually playing competitively on the road.

How about winning? Playing "competitively" but not winning is worth about as much as our posts on the net.

[MIAdragon]

Hilarious that no one blames Rayner for failing to do his job.

I get it though. Herm is to blame for all the problems, but gets ZERO credit for turning this defense into a contender and actually playing competitively on the road.

ok thats 1/2 the game what about his abysmal offensive performance and horrible mismanagement of the play clock.

[headsnap]

right on cue...Huard to Herm.

that wasn't a hard one to call.

the call for Herm has always been there...

[Redcoats58]

So Kennison's fumble and Rayner's field goals mean nothing?

Interesting perspective.
You can overcome those mistakes with good play calling and good clock management, we did neither. That blame lies on Herm and Solari.

[the Talking Can]

Hilarious that no one blames Rayner for failing to do his job.

I get it though. Herm is to blame for all the problems, but gets ZERO credit for turning this defense into a contender and actually playing competitively on the road.

so what?

you have to at least TRY in the 4th quarter....there are no moral victories.

Herm played to lose. So we lost.

[Reaper16]

right on cue...Huard to Herm.
The team was passing vertically more with Huard. Now that Croyle, a QB who is actually adept at the deep ball, is starting Herm's gameplan is to be more conservative than at any point in the whole season?

I don't think the criticisms of the coaching staff are unwarranted here, and it would surprise me if you really think otherwise.

[KcMizzou]

I'm ****ing done.

I like what Herm's done with the roster... but this shit is unexcusable.

At some point Herm, it's your job to say, "Solari? WTF are we doing here? Any chance we might make even a half-assed attempt to move the ball when we're not behind?"

I've got no problem with our players or their effort. Our coaching staff needs to be shot.

Yesterday.

[RedThat]

Herms biggest mistake was burning all 3 of his timeouts with like 2-3 minutes left in the game. Should of saved them for later.

[EyePod]

Does Herm call the plays? Did he tell our OC to run the ball/not throw the ball deep the last play? I didn't think he got involved.

[The Bad Guy]

How about winning? Playing "competitively" but not winning is worth about as much as our posts on the net.

Winning with a rookie QB, shit offensive line, and your 3rd string tailback against the SB champs?

I think a game like this is a building block. But it seems that everyone is ready to burn Herm's house down.

This loss sucks, but c'mon already.

[headsnap]

So Kennison's fumble and Rayner's field goals mean nothing?

Interesting perspective.
If we had some decent or at least not-so-conservative playcalling they most likely would have meant nothing...

[Chief Pote]

The next person that says that a kicker is not important......**** that would be our entire offensive scheme. Herm says....just win by a point. Shitty coach. Please fire this ****.

[Baby Lee]

Before the game, Woohoo!!! We're building for the future.

After the game, we suck, we can't even beat the SB champs in their dome.

We have the stoooooopid fans.

[Redcoats58]

Does Herm call the plays? Did he tell our OC to run the ball/not throw the ball deep the last play? I didn't think he got involved.
Herm is the head coach, he can override any playcalling.

[the Talking Can]

Winning with a rookie QB, shit offensive line, and your 3rd string tailback against the SB champs?

I think a game like this is a building block. But it seems that everyone is ready to burn Herm's house down.

This loss sucks, but c'mon already.


when you give up in the 4th quarter you deserve to be roasted....if you aren't to try to win then hit the ****ing road....

Even Dungy thinks Herm is a loser.

[headsnap]

Winning with a rookie QB, shit offensive line, and your 3rd string tailback against the SB champs?

I think a game like this is a building block. But it seems that everyone is ready to burn Herm's house down.

This loss sucks, but c'mon already.
Moral victory, right... :rolleyes:

[The Bad Guy]

If we had some decent or at least not-so-conservative playcalling they most likely would have meant nothing...

I'm fine with blaming Solari for this loss. But Solari's inability to coordinate a run game, which is what his strength was supposed to be, is the real problem with this team.

Against defenses with an interior line, he calls plays up Weiggman's ass every play. Against defenses with speed, he calls stretch plays.

[Redcoats58]

Before the game, Woohoo!!! We're building for the future.

After the game, we suck, we can't even beat the SB champs in their dome.

We have the stoooooopid fans.
Well except we wern't playing the SB champs we were playing their back-ups.

[thehead]

so what?

you have to at least TRY in the 4th quarter....there are no moral victories.

Herm played to lose. So we lost.


Agree , KC had a chance to win .Coaching lost this game even with the turn overs & missed FG we still had a chance. none play calling azz
:banghead:

[stevieray]

I'm ****ing done.



Yesterday.

uh huh..I love watching everyone cry their eyes out over a team that they already proclaimed sucks, then say, who the hell cares just as long as Brodie starts, then when said sucking team doesn't win, they freak out over a game they thought could never have been won anyway.

Denial of eating crow because the Chiefs played the Colts at home as well as anyone if not better...

This game is huge for Brodie...great confidence builder.

[the Talking Can]

Before the game, Woohoo!!! We're building for the future.

After the game, we suck, we can't even beat the SB champs in their dome.

We have the stoooooopid fans.

is it really hard to understand that we had a chance to win and simply chose to punt?

what is the point of playing if you won't take a risk in the 4th quarter?

what do we have to lose?

[headsnap]

Before the game, Woohoo!!! We're building for the future.

After the game, we suck, we can't even beat the SB champs in their dome.

We have the stoooooopid fans.
hey I'm thrilled we didn't get blown out but...




we had a chance to actually win this came and didn't take it!!!

[The Bad Guy]

when you give up in the 4th quarter you deserve to be roasted....if you aren't to try to win then hit the ****ing road....

Even Dungy thinks Herm is a loser.

How the **** did they give up?

I think if you're not complaining, you're unhappy.

I'd hate to live with some of you people. It's like you get ****ed with a wooden dildo every minute of your life.

[The Bad Guy]

is it really hard to understand that we had a chance to win and simply chose to punt?

what is the point of playing if you won't take a risk in the 4th quarter?

what do we have to lose?

Take what risk?

You're not going to punt in that situation, and put your defense, who had been lights out all game back on the field, to get you the ball back?

Wow. Just wow.

Keep reaching.

[Hammock Parties]

Amazing how people over react after every loss. Simply amazing.

We'll be playing San Diego for 1st place in two weeks.

[the Talking Can]

uh huh..I love watching everyone criy their eyes out over a team that they already proclaimed sucks, then say, who the hell cares just as long as Brodie starts, then when they don't win, they freak out over a game they thought could never have been won anyway.

Denial of eating crow because the Chiefs played the Colts at home as well as anyone if not better...

it ain't ****ing rocket science


we had a chance to win in the 4th....but we were afraid to even try...so we punted away and let a real Coach win....

How about we let Croyle play in the 4th and see what happens? What are you afraid of?

What is Herm afraid of?

[FringeNC]

Before the game, Woohoo!!! We're building for the future.

After the game, we suck, we can't even beat the SB champs in their dome.

We have the stoooooopid fans.

I didn't realize building for the future and "playing to win" football were mutually exclusive.

[KcMizzou]

Before the game, Woohoo!!! We're building for the future.

After the game, we suck, we can't even beat the SB champs in their dome.

We have the stoooooopid fans.It's not that. I thought Croyle played really well. The D was amazing, of course.

Every single first down was a handoff... 50% of the passes were right down the line of scrimmage to a WR. The announcers talked about how we might be setting them up for a deep throw, but we really all knew better, didn't we?

They were afraid to let Brodie throw the ball, because he might *gasp* turn it over. So instead, we made no attempt to win the game.

The only time we did, was when we were down 10-3.

Croyle promptly tied the game... and we went back to not trying.

THAT's why I'm pissed.

[FringeNC]

Amazing how people over react after every loss. Simply amazing.

We'll be playing San Diego for 1st place in two weeks.

It's not the fact that we lost, it's the fact that our offense was pathologically risk-averse. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

[The Bad Guy]

it ain't ****ing rocket science


we had a chance to win in the 4th....but we were afraid to even try...so we punted away and let a real Coach win....

How about we let Croyle play in the 4th and see what happens? What are you afraid of?

What is Herm afraid of?

You act like it's the norm to go for it on 4th down, in the 4th quarter, in YOUR OWN TERRITORY, with the score tied.

What ****ing NFL football have you watched over the years?

[the Talking Can]

Let me simplify for the dense:

No one is angry that we lost.

People are angry that we had a chance to win in the 4th but too afraid to take it.

The distinction is an obvious and easy one to make.

[siberian khatru]

It's not the fact that we lost, it's the fact that our offense was pathologically risk-averse.

You should make that point a separate thread.

[KcMizzou]

This game made Martyball look like Texas Tech's offense.

[Reerun_KC]

Herm is the head coach, he can override any playcalling.
So can Dick Curl..


all calls go through him anyway.. From what I have heard, he has veto power...

[Hammock Parties]

It's not the fact that we lost, it's the fact that our offense was pathologically risk-averse. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

It's not. I wasn't happy with the playcalling today.

[Gonzo]

Last year we made the playoffs with a sub-par team and this year we have no offensive line to speak of. We are getting younger and building for the future. I think Herm can put us in position. You all expect immediate results and that is asking too much. With the high caliber teams in the AFC that we have to face there is no way we can be competitive right now.
As far as today's game is concerned, it's obvious to me that we are headed in the right direction. Our starting tailback is out and the qb has never started a game, yet we were one yard away from having a good chance to get into O.T. or win the game. This time next year I wouldn't be at all surprised if we were talking about a first round bye week.
Patience people, unless you are all under the age of 12, you should be used to mediocrity or ineptitude.

[FringeNC]

You should make that point a separate thread.

I would, but how many times can you, me, Talking Can, and CDCox make the same point? We've all said mutiple times in multiple threads.

[stevieray]

it ain't ****ing rocket science


we had a chance to win

ya, i'm sure you've been putting aloe vera on your sunburn from carrying the banner on that bandwagon...

Brodie just hung with Manning..instead of predicting failure...I'll say the HBO comment fom Carl keeping Herm form pulling the trigger on Croyle looms large...but it might not be too late...SD lost, as long as the Titans take care of the posing invescos..Brodie has a chance to light up and run away with an otherwise questionable and rudderless division.....

[bobbything]

We had a chance to win. We didn't. You can see, over the course of the entire game, that this coaching staff wasn't going to allow the offense to make a costly mistake. So, it is what it is.

I've accepted the fact that this team, under Herm Edwards, will never allow certain aspects of his team to be in a position to lose a game for him. He will lean so hard on the defense that it will eventually break (see: this season).

Watching the not-to-lose philosophy is so frustrating. Almost as frustrating as watching us hang 35 on a team only to give up 38. Only now, instead of losing 38-35, we're losing 13-10. Neither of which gets us anywhere.

I'll just sit, watch the games, and wait for Carl and Herm's contracts' to run out. This organization needs to be gutted.

[KcMizzou]

Now that I spit my bit of venom...

You've gotta love how the players handled this game. They weren't intimidated in the least, and I think Croyle's got a real chance to be special.

And that Chiefs Defense... damn! Peyton got all he wanted from them.

[the Talking Can]

You act like it's the norm to go for it on 4th down, in the 4th quarter, in YOUR OWN TERRITORY, with the score tied.

What ****ing NFL football have you watched over the years?

how about calling the 47th draw play of the game on 3rd and 20?

at least I know your definition of playing to win...."just be close, its fun"

[FringeNC]

how about calling the 47th draw play of the game on 3rd and 20?

at least I know your definition of playing to win...."just be close, its fun"

The real killer play call was the obvious run on first down. Dungy knew Herm would be content with a tie, and wouldn't be taking a shot downfield to win it.

[munkey]

I'll just sit, watch the games, and wait for Carl and Herm's contracts' to run out. This organization needs to be gutted.

I agree...BUT I'm done watching this shit...

[Baby Lee]

Has it ever happened that one loses allegiance to a team, while still liking the players and the organization, because it's just too embarassing to be affiliated with the teams FANS?

Because I'm getting close. Trying to come up some kind of proviso "yeah, I'm a Chiefs fan, not a dumbass like you usually see, but . . . a fan of . . . the team."

[bobbything]

Has it ever happened that one loses allegiance to a team, while still liking the players and the organization, because it's just too embarassing to be affiliated with the teams FANS?

Because I'm getting close. Trying to come up some kind of proviso "yeah, I'm a Chiefs fan, not a dumbass like you usually see, but . . . a fan of . . . the team."
I think you're seeing 20 years of frustration come pouring down right now.

I stopped getting too low after a loss after the 2005 season. Once Herm was hired, I firmly believed it to be a stop-gap hire until Carl's contract ran out. This coach won't take us anywhere that Marty and Vermeil didn't. Once the contracts are up, I think you'll see Clark so some serious re-working.

[munkey]

Once the contracts are up, I think you'll see Clark so some serious re-working.


I hope so...But not betting on it.

[RedThat]

I think you're seeing 20 years of frustration come pouring down right now.

I stopped getting too low after a loss after the 2005 season. Once Herm was hired, I firmly believed it to be a stop-gap hire until Carl's contract ran out. This coach won't take us anywhere that Marty and Vermeil didn't. Once the contracts are up, I think you'll see Clark so some serious re-working.

I still think though Herm deserves a job elsewhere in the organization. If I was Clark, I'd possibly offer him a job as a GM or a head of the scouting department. we all know he has an eye for talent. Gotta take advantage of what he does best.

[MIAdragon]

Last year we made the playoffs with a sub-par team and this year we have no offensive line to speak of. We are getting younger and building for the future. I think Herm can put us in position. You all expect immediate results and that is asking too much. With the high caliber teams in the AFC that we have to face there is no way we can be competitive right now.
As far as today's game is concerned, it's obvious to me that we are headed in the right direction. Our starting tailback is out and the qb has never started a game, yet we were one yard away from having a good chance to get into O.T. or win the game. This time next year I wouldn't be at all surprised if we were talking about a first round bye week.
Patience people, unless you are all under the age of 12, you should be used to mediocrity or ineptitude.

it has nothing to do with our team getting better, they are, its everything to do with Herms idiotic game management.

[Baby Lee]

I think you're seeing 20 years of frustration come pouring down right now.

I stopped getting too low after a loss after the 2005 season. Once Herm was hired, I firmly believed it to be a stop-gap hire until Carl's contract ran out. This coach won't take us anywhere that Marty and Vermeil didn't. Once the contracts are up, I think you'll see Clark so some serious re-working.
But why right now?

I could see getting pissed about some of the choices if we were in a fight for HFA in the playoffs, and Brodie had been our QB for a couple of seasons and had engineered some astounding comebacks already.

But it was the guys FIRST START, . . . ONE THE ROAD . . . WITH A SHITTY O-LINE . . . AGAINST THE SB CHAMPS.

Champs who, before the game were full of piss and vinegar and no way they were going to be held down 3 games in a row, not if St. Manning has anything to say about it. And who, after the game, were still stinging from the loss of Bart Starr.

[EPodolak]

Hilarious that no one blames Rayner for failing to do his job.

I get it though. Herm is to blame for all the problems, but gets ZERO credit for turning this defense into a contender and actually playing competitively on the road.

So hire him as a Def. Coordinator. The Peter Principle is at work here, just because someone thinks he has charisma and he does well in job interviews doesn't mean he can be a head coach. I wish he would succeed but I don't see it happening.

[bobbything]

But why right now?
Because we had a chance to win and we watched the not-to-lose philosophy, when it counted at the end, rear its ugly head. I think that's the most frustrating thing about this loss. I knew, was absolutely certain, that when we ran the draw on 3rd and 18, that we didn't have the balls to go out and, at least attempt, to take this victory. Especially after we drove down for the score, Bowe made an amazing catch, we forced them to punt, and had some serious momentum.

I think it's the mindset of this coaching staff that is frustrating. Play close, and HOPE there's a small opening at the end to steal a win.

[the Talking Can]

Let's try to simplify this one more time:

You play conservatively for 3 quarters in order to have a chance to win in the 4th.

We all understand Herm's theory.

OK, so....now it is the 4th quarter and you have a chance to win, what do you do?

a) Let Brodie throw it and try to win
b) call a draw play(again) and punt

If you call B, then what the hell was the point of the first three quarters???

You create a chance and then you are too afraid to take it. WHY?

It is clearly dumb.

[Coach]

But why right now?

I could see getting pissed about some of the choices if we were in a fight for HFA in the playoffs, and Brodie had been our QB for a couple of seasons and had engineered some astounding comebacks already.

But it was the guys FIRST START, . . . ONE THE ROAD . . . WITH A SHITTY O-LINE . . . AGAINST THE SB CHAMPS.

Champs who, before the game were full of piss and vinegar and no way they were going to be held down 3 games in a row, not if St. Manning has anything to say about it. And who, after the game, were still stinging from the loss of Bart Starr.

You can actually throw the ball on first downs, On 3rd downs instead of trying to run how bout you set up some screens? Priest is one of the best at those. You can't continue to give the ball back to Manning and thats what Herms uber conservative philosphy did. You'll never beat an aggressive high powered offense using a conservative offense.

[stevieray]

Because we had a chance to win

and you believed this before the game or after it?

[KcMizzou]

Let's try to simplify this one more time:

You play conservatively for 3 quarters in order to have a chance to win in the 4th.

We all understand Herm's theory.

OK, so....now it is the 4th quarter and you have a chance to win, what do you do?

a) Let Brodie throw it and try to win
b) call a draw play(again) and punt

If you call B, then what the hell was the point of the first three quarters???

You create a chance and then you are too afraid to take it. WHY?

It is clearly dumb.Exactly... at some point you have to TRY TO WIN.

At what point did we try to win on offense today?

We tried to catch up... down 10-3, and we did it.

When did we try to take a lead?

[stlchiefs]

Yep Herm is blaming turnovers field position and missed fg's. Someone please fire this ****ing retard now.

What 2 missed field goals don't make a difference here? I think I'd blame the missed FGs too. I know it doesn't give us the win, but it sure makes for a different game if they were made at the time.

[bobbything]

and you believed this before the game or after it?
What does that have to do with anything? The reality is that we had a tie ball game late in the game, had a chance to win, and didn't. I'm pointing out why it's frustrating. What I though about our chances before the game has no bearing on anything.

[donkhater]

Let's try to simplify this one more time:

You play conservatively for 3 quarters in order to have a chance to win in the 4th.

We all understand Herm's theory.

OK, so....now it is the 4th quarter and you have a chance to win, what do you do?

a) Let Brodie throw it and try to win
b) call a draw play(again) and punt

If you call B, then what the hell was the point of the first three quarters???

You create a chance and then you are too afraid to take it. WHY?

It is clearly dumb.
That's about as clear as anyone could state it. Excellent post.

[RedThat]

Let's try to simplify this one more time:

You play conservatively for 3 quarters in order to have a chance to win in the 4th.

We all understand Herm's theory.

OK, so....now it is the 4th quarter and you have a chance to win, what do you do?

a) Let Brodie throw it and try to win
b) call a draw play(again) and punt

If you call B, then what the hell was the point of the first three quarters???

You create a chance and then you are too afraid to take it. WHY?

It is clearly dumb.

you know what's funny?

if the score is 0-0, or 3-3 whatever. This team will go into such a shell, and play so conservative. But when they're actually losing, they open up the playbook.

[KcMizzou]

you know what's funny?

if the score is 0-0, or 3-3 whatever. This team will go into such a shell, and play so conservative. But when they're actually losing, they open up the playbook.and you know what? It ****ING WORKS!


:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[stevieray]

What does that have to do with anything? The reality is that we had a tie ball game late in the game, had a chance to win, and didn't. I'm pointing out why it's frustrating. What I though about our chances before the game has no bearing on anything.

I see...in other words you take no risk before the game, but then carry the burden of the loss you predicted....how easy.

[bobbything]

I see...in other words you take no risk before the game, but then carry the burden of the loss you predicted....how easy.
What are you talking about?

What do I have to do with anything that happened on 3rd and 18?

I assume you're trying to call me a hypocrite for thinking we would lose, and then being upset that we did. I think that's what you're saying anyway...

Who cares what I think before the game? No, I didn't think we would win, but we could have. Doesn't change anything. And the reason we didn't lies within many of the rants and raves on this message board. Regardless of what you, me, or Dupree thought prior to kickoff.

[the Talking Can]

you know what's funny?

if the score is 0-0, or 3-3 whatever. This team will go into such a shell, and play so conservative. But when they're actually losing, they open up the playbook.

yup, we score and then they go back to what WASN'T working....crazy

[stevieray]

Who cares what I think before the game?

so, pregame gets a pass, but we should take what you think after the game serious?

how easy.

[Spott]

Damn, I just got back from the Chargers/Jaguars game. Good thing I missed the KC game. I see that our offense is still intact.

[the Talking Can]

but we should take you rhink after the game serious?

how easy.

your giving everyone a headache

[stevieray]

your giving everyone a headache

coming from the guy who complains about how much time he's wasted on the organization , then takes another hit off his negative crack pipe.

my sympathies for living with a vice you can't overcome.

[Mecca]

Um people are pissed because you can not be a winning team with coaching like that. Even if you are a heavily talented team you'll make the playoffs and lose we've all seen it before. People have a right to be pissed about the coaching decisions, even when the team has more talent Herm will coach the same.

Also are you guys really excited to possibly make the playoffs with 7 wins and become some sort of ESPN joke..the team that wins this division is probably going to have less wins than a team that misses.

[Eleazar]

What I didn't like was on our last posession, when they ran the sweep or whatever it was left with Smith instead of throwing the ball. I know they were thinking, well we can punt and pin them back and our defense is playing well so we'll let them carry us again.. but the way the Colts were waking up, we should have tried to get a first down.

I know Herm would say, well, 10 yards of field position when they just need a field goal can be the difference, especially when their kicker was shaky earlier. I just don't like putting the game on your defense to keep Peyton Manning out of field goal range. He's beaten a couple of teams in that situation before.

[bobbything]

so, pregame gets a pass, but we should take what you think after the game serious?

how easy.
Wow. Simply, wow. I think Baby Lee was referring to you in his previous posts.

[stevieray]

Wow. Simply, wow. I think Baby Lee was referring to you in his previous posts.


No, I think he's referring to you.

[bobbything]

No, I think he's referring to you.
Solid stuff.

[alanm]

You know what the worst part is? After watching KC and SD lose again today, watch Denver win tomorrow night and take over 1st place. :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :Lin:
Just shoot me.

[Skip Towne]

So hire him as a Def. Coordinator. The Peter Principle is at work here, just because someone thinks he has charisma and he does well in job interviews doesn't mean he can be a head coach. I wish he would succeed but I don't see it happening.
That's the way I see it.