If we keep losing we have a chance for a Top 10 Draft Pick!

[chiefsfan1963]

I believe we currently rank in the Top 10 worst teams in the league.

Yeah Daddy! I'm psyched!!!!!!!!

How many picks do we have? 10?

Every loss sucks, but I knew that this was going to happen. Anyway I'm making the best of a bad situation that 's all I can do.

ANybody want to guess where we land in the draft?

Where will we land in rankings on Offense and Defense? 30th and 15th is my prediction.

Who will be our OC next year?
ANy chance CP and the rest of his crew take early retirement?

A man can hope can't he? ;)

[Deberg_1990]

That Ryans Sims top 10 pick really worked out for us didnt it?

[mikey23545]

Jeezus, what a loser you are.

[HolmeZz]

We currently have the 8th pick in the draft.

[Micjones]

A Top 10 pick will be helpful, but with this Staff/Front Office I'm not confident that it will matter.

[Smed1065]

At least they can trade down and get more picks.

Top 10 takes money to sign and we know better than that after Simms.

;)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

There will be a lot of players at positions of need available with that pick.

Even better, we could get bookend tackles in the first two rounds if the value is there.

[FAX]

In other news ...

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Judge Robert Restaino "snapped" and "engaged in what can only be described as two hours of inexplicable madness" during the March 2005 session, Raoul Felder, chairman of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, wrote in the decision to remove the judge.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071127/D8T6A3UO0.html

FAX

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'd be fine with Sedrick Ellis, Ryan Clady, or Kenny Phillips, even Calais Campbell.

[HolmeZz]

Campbell would be pointless and Clady's not worth taking that high.

[FAX]

The answer is that we have to trade a draft pick or two for a Roafesque LT and hope like hell he doesn't get injured. It's safer than hoping a drafted LT works out. Then, draft BAA with an emphasis on olinemen.

FAX

[The Bad Guy]

At least they can trade down and get more picks.

Top 10 takes money to sign and we know better than that after Simms.

;)

Yes, by all means, let's pass up that top OT so we can get the extra 3rd or 5th to waste on a kicker.

**** that.

This team should stand pat and take whatever pick they get in the top 10.

And I'm sorry, I'm not going to be gunshy about picking in the top 10 because of one lazy ****ing pick that was influenced HEAVILY by a coach who is no longer employed by the organization.

[HemiEd]

Printem, or antifreeze, take your pick.

[DaneMcCloud]

A Top 10 pick will be helpful, but with this Staff/Front Office I'm not confident that it will matter.

True. :rolleyes:

2001: Trade for Trent Green
2002: Ryan Sims
2003: LJ
2004: No pick
2005: DJ
2006: Hali
2007: D Bowe

I guess you're right. One bust out of six is a horrible percentage and just another reason why the Chiefs front office should be fired. :shake:

What the f*ck ever.

[Reaper16]

who is out their that we could possibly trade for? Teams dont trade probowl LT unless their are major question marks (i.e. age, injury, etc).

Simple. We set up Joe Horn with a blind date or two.

[Mecca]

Jeezus, what a loser you are.

Strive to be 7-9! that'll get us alot.

[ChiefsCountry]

Strive to be 7-9! that'll get us alot.

I'll take it if our young guys are playing good and getting most of the time.

[MGRS13]

It's a lock that we are to pick in the top 10. If you think we will when any more games this year you must be as dumb as Herm.

[BigChiefFan]

True. :rolleyes:

2001: Trade for Trent Green
2002: Ryan Sims
2003: LJ
2004: No pick
2005: DJ
2006: Hali
2007: D Bowe

I guess you're right. One bust out of six is a horrible percentage and just another reason why the Chiefs front office should be fired. :shake:

What the f*ck ever.
How about the other rounds? It's well documented the Chiefs aren't very good on the first day under Carl's watch and it's more like NINETEEN years.

[Ugly Duck]

We currently have the 8th pick in the draft.

Isn't it the 7th pick... just 2 picks behind Oakland?

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Campbell would be pointless and Clady's not worth taking that high.

Who's to say we are going to resign Allen? Has Tamba really been a world-beater at this point?

Levi Brown was projected to go about 28th last year, then after the combine his stock skyrocketed. Who's to say that won't happen with Clady, Baker, or Cherilus?

[HolmeZz]

Isn't it the 7th pick... just 2 picks behind Oakland?

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league

The Bengals have a worse SOS. The Chiefs are tied with Baltimore for the 8th pick.

[HolmeZz]

Who's to say we are going to resign Allen?

Carl.

Has Tamba really been a world-beater at this point?

Plenty good enough for a 2nd year player that we shouldn't even be thinking about needing to draft someone else to replace him.

Levi Brown was projected to go about 28th last year, then after the combine his stock skyrocketed. Who's to say that won't happen with Clady, Baker, or Cherilus?

Brown went too high last year and that was because it was a weak OT class. This is like the antithesis of last year's tackle class.

[mikey23545]

Strive to be 7-9! that'll get us alot.

Strive to lose! That's what I call team-building!

You are King of the Losers, and your post was to be expected.

[BigChiefFan]

While I agree DE isn't a huge need, HOWEVER, Calais Campbell WOULD improve our D-line and apply some pressure-he's also probably better than Hali. Campbell is most likely a top 5 player after the combine, I bet, so we could be out of the running...maybe not...Carl is still the capn of the ship.

[DaneMcCloud]

How about the other rounds? It's well documented the Chiefs aren't very good on the first day under Carl's watch and it's more like NINETEEN years.

1989: Derrick Thomas
1990: Percy Snow
1991: Harvey Williams
1992: Dale Carter
1993: Joe Montana
1994: Greg Hill
1995: Trezelle Jenkins
996: Jerome Woods
1997: Tony Gonzalez
1998: Victor Riley
1999: John Tait
2000: Sylvester Morris
2001: Trent Green
2002: Ryan Sims
2003: Larry Johnson
2004: No pick
2005: Derrick Johnson
2006: Tamba Hali
2007: Dwayne Bowe

Career ending injuries to Percy Snow and Sylvester Morris aside, the only true busts on that list are Trezelle Jenkins and Ryan Sims.

Tony Gonzalez & DT are HOFers, some became Pro-Bowl players and the others became solid football players.

I'd say the Chiefs have had a pretty high success rate with first round players.

And that was what I originally responded to: A Top Ten Pick.

[Mecca]

Strive to lose! That's what I call team-building!

You are King of the Losers, and your post was to be expected.

Don't confuse me with Carl Peterson.

[DaneMcCloud]

Don't confuse me with Carl Peterson.

That's right!

Carl Peterson has better hair.

[RustShack]

I want our young talent to play, have our games contiue to be close, but lose more than we win. A losing season is just what KC needs, we can get a lot of better talent that what we are used to getting in the draft. KC has been very bad at drafting until Herm came to town, hes just the guy I want in charge with our high picks. Don't get me wrong, I love the Chiefs, and I want them to win. Hopefully this will be the draft that finaly puts us over the top, and we don't have to draft that early for a long long time. I'm tired of barely missing the playoffs or losing first round every year, and having a bad pick in the draft every year because of it. I can handle one bad season for a bunch of good ones. Sometimes you have to take the bad before you can get the good.

[RustShack]

A losing season might be just what it takes to get Carl out, and some changes on the coaching staff.

[Delano]

That's right!

Carl Peterson has better hair.

Excellent. ROFL

[Skip Towne]

It's not only that you get a high 1st round pick, you also get to pick high in EVERY round.

[RustShack]

A high second round pick is about just as good as the people we are drafting in the first round anyways. We have a lot of the players we need, and a high draft pick in every round would help get a few more key players we need. We should also be somewhat active in free agency too.

[chiefsfan1963]

That Ryans Sims top 10 pick really worked out for us didnt it?

We have one Top 10 pick that doesn't work out and you ready to give up! Do you have a sack? What was our pick that year? Was it really Top 10?

[chiefsfan1963]

A Top 10 pick will be helpful, but with this Staff/Front Office I'm not confident that it will matter.

I hear you. ANd feel your pain.

[chiefsfan1963]

There will be a lot of players at positions of need available with that pick.

Even better, we could get bookend tackles in the first two rounds if the value is there.

I like your thinking.

[chiefsfan1963]

The answer is that we have to trade a draft pick or two for a Roafesque LT and hope like hell he doesn't get injured. It's safer than hoping a drafted LT works out. Then, draft BAA with an emphasis on olinemen.

FAX

how many picks do we have?

[chiefsfan1963]

Yes, by all means, let's pass up that top OT so we can get the extra 3rd or 5th to waste on a kicker.

**** that.

This team should stand pat and take whatever pick they get in the top 10.

And I'm sorry, I'm not going to be gunshy about picking in the top 10 because of one lazy ****ing pick that was influenced HEAVILY by a coach who is no longer employed by the organization.
:toast:

[chiefsfan1963]

True. :rolleyes:

2001: Trade for Trent Green
2002: Ryan Sims
2003: LJ
2004: No pick
2005: DJ
2006: Hali
2007: D Bowe

I guess you're right. One bust out of six is a horrible percentage and just another reason why the Chiefs front office should be fired. :shake:

What the f*ck ever.

:thumb:

[chiefsfan1963]

1989: Derrick Thomas
1990: Percy Snow
1991: Harvey Williams
1992: Dale Carter
1993: Joe Montana
1994: Greg Hill
1995: Trezelle Jenkins
996: Jerome Woods
1997: Tony Gonzalez
1998: Victor Riley
1999: John Tait
2000: Sylvester Morris
2001: Trent Green
2002: Ryan Sims
2003: Larry Johnson
2004: No pick
2005: Derrick Johnson
2006: Tamba Hali
2007: Dwayne Bowe

Career ending injuries to Percy Snow and Sylvester Morris aside, the only true busts on that list are Trezelle Jenkins and Ryan Sims.

Tony Gonzalez & DT are HOFers, some became Pro-Bowl players and the others became solid football players.

I'd say the Chiefs have had a pretty high success rate with first round players.

And that was what I originally responded to: A Top Ten Pick.
:thumb:

[chiefsfan1963]

I want our young talent to play, have our games contiue to be close, but lose more than we win. A losing season is just what KC needs, we can get a lot of better talent that what we are used to getting in the draft. KC has been very bad at drafting until Herm came to town, hes just the guy I want in charge with our high picks. Don't get me wrong, I love the Chiefs, and I want them to win. Hopefully this will be the draft that finaly puts us over the top, and we don't have to draft that early for a long long time. I'm tired of barely missing the playoffs or losing first round every year, and having a bad pick in the draft every year because of it. I can handle one bad season for a bunch of good ones. Sometimes you have to take the bad before you can get the good.
:clap: :clap:

[chiefsfan1963]

It's not only that you get a high 1st round pick, you also get to pick high in EVERY round.

Now you are coming around to my thinking! I knew you would. ;)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Carl.



Plenty good enough for a 2nd year player that we shouldn't even be thinking about needing to draft someone else to replace him.



Brown went too high last year and that was because it was a weak OT class. This is like the antithesis of last year's tackle class.

Carl saying we'll resign him doesn't mean that we'll resign him. If he doesn't want to sign, we can't just put the tag on him every year. Then we've just postponed the inevitable. If he resigns, then DE definitely is not a position of need, but if he doesn't, or if we have to franchise him, it suddenly becomes a gaping hole.

I'm not saying that he was the 5th best player. What I am saying is that people who think Ryan Clady isn't good enough to justify a pick in the 8-10 range haven't seen his workout numbers. He could definitely move up the ranks, especially given the fact that most of the teams at the top of the draft will need tackles, and there is only one Jake Long.

I'll say it again, we need the following positions:

LT, RG, C (move Mc to RT and Waters is good)
#2 receiver
2 CBs (at least one next year
WLB
TE


These are the other positions we may need to think about, as the starters there aren't exactly solid:

SS, MLB, DT

Obviously we can't fill all these positions in one draft, but we need to get at least 3 starters from this draft, and preferably 5, including two on the line and one in the secondary.

Dunn is finished, Edwards and EK are on borrowed time, as are Law and Surtain. Pollard has sitll looked very raw, Welbourne, and Wiegmann are done, and Turley/Terry shouldn't be in the league.


We don't know if Tank or Turk is the answer at DT.

We can fill FB and K through UDFA's, but we have a ton of holes, and can't just take someone because of their position. With that said, our needs and this draft's stremfs match up pretty well.

[FAX]

Wow. You actually sit down and make the list and there are far too many holes to fill, Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins. The draft is a crap shoot, Herm or no Herm. Plus, it will take years for most of those picks to develop ... at least two.

We have to find core players in FA. Problem is, Carl's thrown a poop bomb into the cap machine with LJ and JA's next contract. They may franchise JA, or they may not, but they'll still have to pay.

Assuming we have a phenominal draft and can pick up core players (LT, RT, WR, CB?) in FA where experience counts, we're still two years away and that's if the coaching staff is really on their toes.

This is too depressing. I'm going to go get a cookie.

FAX

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wow. You actually sit down and make the list and there are far too many holes to fill, Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins. The draft is a crap shoot, Herm or no Herm. Plus, it will take years for most of those picks to develop ... at least two.

We have to find core players in FA. Problem is, Carl's thrown a poop bomb into the cap machine with LJ and JA's next contract. They may franchise JA, or they may not, but they'll still have to pay.

Assuming we have a phenominal draft and can pick up core players (LT, RT, WR, CB?) in FA where experience counts, we're still two years away and that's if the coaching staff is really on their toes.

This is too depressing. I'm going to go get a cookie.

FAX

I'd lace that cookie with some PCP, FAX.

[Prometheus]

At this point, that would be a good thing in my opinion.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

At this point, that would be a good thing in my opinion.


Perhaps you could bring fire to our coaching staff.

[SBK]

That's right!

Carl Peterson has better hair.

Goatse should be along soon to remind Mecca how sexy he is.....
:evil:

[RustShack]

I don't think Pollard needs replaced yet, but if he dosn't get better I think we could still use him at LB, could be be a MLB and move Harris to OLB when Edwards retires? Or would he be a better OLB? I still think he will grow into a better Saftey though...

[SBK]

This thread is really too much about football to be on this site. I demand the mods delete it and replace it with something that's non-football related.

[el borracho]

Oooh... fullback or safety?... fullback or safety?... fulback or safety?... KICKER!!

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:D4cyj2vQ5hexzM:http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/jay_mohr/01/11/mohr.sports/p1_edwards.jpg

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Pollard could be a WLB if he put on 15 pounds. Might be a better fit for him. He's definitely not a MLB.

[ChiefsCountry]

Pollard could be a WLB if he put on 15 pounds. Might be a better fit for him. He's definitely not a MLB.

Ironcially he is the same size as Donnie Edwards right now. But I agree bulk him up and put him at LB. He is a perfect Cover 2 linebacker.

[blueballs]

trade down for more picks
a top 10 pick hits the cap hard
bust or not

[Mecca]

Top 10 is where the elite players are......

By the way you can't have 15 draft picks, the rookie pool is only so big you won' have enough money to sign them all. Then you'd have to start trying to trade some to move up, trade some for possible picks next year.

[blueballs]

Sims burnt me on a top 10 picks
it's not my money but I still hate
to see it all go to support Krispe Kream

[Ugly Duck]

Even better, we could get bookend tackles in the first two rounds if the value is there.

Just be leary of the one that gets universally labeled the "Safest Pick in the Draft."

[ChiefaRoo]

I believe we currently rank in the Top 10 worst teams in the league.

Yeah Daddy! I'm psyched!!!!!!!!

How many picks do we have? 10?


Every loss sucks, but I knew that this was going to happen. Anyway I'm making the best of a bad situation that 's all I can do.

ANybody want to guess where we land in the draft?

Where will we land in rankings on Offense and Defense? 30th and 15th is my prediction.

Who will be our OC next year?
ANy chance CP and the rest of his crew take early retirement?

A man can hope can't he? ;)

I'm jazzed as well. Carl called me today and said this is what his board looks like.
Rd1 - Kicker
Rd2 - Backup DE
Rd3 - Safety who can project to CB on the next level
RD4 - LT - I think he's Jordan Blacks cousin, a real hidden gem
RD5 - Backup TE
RD6 through 10 - Guards

Oh and he's bringing Paul Hackett in to be the O coordinator. Seems he and Gunther like to play cards together at Carl's pad on off nights.

[Tribal Warfare]

Top 10 is where the elite players are......

By the way you can't have 15 draft picks, the rookie pool is only so big you won' have enough money to sign them all. Then you'd have to start trying to trade some to move up, trade some for possible picks next year.

True, they'll probably use those picks to trade for a higher 2nd or 3rd round pick though

[RedThat]

I hope the Chiefs get a chance to draft Jake Long.

I really really like Jake Long. I think he is going be an awesome player.

[kstater]

1989: Derrick Thomas
1990: Percy Snow
1991: Harvey Williams
1992: Dale Carter
1993: Joe Montana
1994: Greg Hill
1995: Trezelle Jenkins
996: Jerome Woods
1997: Tony Gonzalez
1998: Victor Riley
1999: John Tait
2000: Sylvester Morris
2001: Trent Green
2002: Ryan Sims
2003: Larry Johnson
2004: No pick
2005: Derrick Johnson
2006: Tamba Hali
2007: Dwayne Bowe

Career ending injuries to Percy Snow and Sylvester Morris aside, the only true busts on that list are Trezelle Jenkins and Ryan Sims.

Tony Gonzalez & DT are HOFers, some became Pro-Bowl players and the others became solid football players.

I'd say the Chiefs have had a pretty high success rate with first round players.

And that was what I originally responded to: A Top Ten Pick.


Could be wrong, but I don't think the Chiefs drafted Joe Montana in 1993.

[Mecca]

In pure Long prospects I think Chris Long will be a better pro player than Jake Long.

[mylittlepony]

Seeing as this is a football related thread what round do we take Center and is there a good one to take if Wiegmann retires?

[FAX]

Could be wrong, but I don't think the Chiefs drafted Joe Montana in 1993.

Did we trade that pick for him?

FAX

[Skip Towne]

Did we trade that pick for him?

FAX
Yes

[ChiefGator]

Seeing as this is a football related thread what round do we take Center and is there a good one to take if Wiegmann retires?

He's on our roster right now and his name is Neiswanger... or.. Niswaanger.. or.. Nicewanger .. or ....

Okay, maybe we should draft one.

[Ugly Duck]

Could be wrong, but I don't think the Chiefs drafted Joe Montana in 1993.

Ha! Shows how much you know, n00b!

[the Talking Can]

I'll say it again, we need the following positions:

LT, RG, C (move Mc to RT and Waters is good)
#2 receiver
2 CBs (at least one next year
WLB
TE


These are the other positions we may need to think about, as the starters there aren't exactly solid:

SS, MLB, DT

Obviously we can't fill all these positions in one draft, but we need to get at least 3 starters from this draft, and preferably 5, including two on the line and one in the secondary.

Dunn is finished, Edwards and EK are on borrowed time, as are Law and Surtain. Pollard has sitll looked very raw, Welbourne, and Wiegmann are done, and Turley/Terry shouldn't be in the league.


We don't know if Tank or Turk is the answer at DT.

We can fill FB and K through UDFA's, but we have a ton of holes, and can't just take someone because of their position. With that said, our needs and this draft's stremfs match up pretty well.

I agree with that breakdown completely.

We still don't have a franchise DT. I'd take Dorsey if we had a chance. And how long has it been since we had a real stud at MLB? Edwards is getting older and we have no depth at the LB position. If a stud LB dropped to us in the early 2nd, I wouldn't blink at taking one.

As has already been noted, the advantage of a top 10 pick is really in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, where we have not been strong. If we were to hit on all 3 rounds (unlikely, i know) we would have a critical infusion of talent that could get us over the rebuilding hump.

This draft is crucial. Nail it and we're on our way. Blow it and we are going to end up "rebuilding" with FA's again in another year.

[chiefsfan1963]

Assuming we get a Top 10 pick do we consider a QB at all during the draft? I know we have Croyle, but perhaps we can find the next Tom Brady in the later rounds. ANybody know of any QB's that are under the radar that look promising?

[RustShack]

No QB.

[Rausch]

I believe we currently rank in the Top 10 worst teams in the league.

Yeah Daddy! I'm psyched!!!!!!!!


The only consistent loser here is you...

[ChiefGator]

No QB.

We don't have anyone behind Croyle. I think you have to look at QB's in the later rounds.

[chiefsfan1963]

The only consistent loser here is you...

No actually it's the chiefs. They have consistently not been able to reach the SB for 38 years. ANd in that time they have only gone to one AFC Championship game.

I feel your pain. I know your angry hateful comments towards me are misdirected. I forgive you. That's how some chiefs fans can cope through the CP era. For both our sakes I hope it comes to end soon.

[ChiefsCountry]

The round we dont have an extra pick is the one we need one - 3rd round. 1st and 3rd is how you move up in the first.

[Micjones]

He's on our roster right now and his name is Neiswanger... or.. Niswaanger.. or.. Nicewanger .. or ....

Okay, maybe we should draft one.

Niswanger has been playing well in spot duty at Guard.
He'll be moved inside to replace Wiegmann and we'll find a RG in FA.

Makes no sense to spend a draft pick there.

[RedThat]

I know the Chiefs have a ton of holes on their team.
But I say the best thing for them to do is address the offense. If they are going to make Brodie Croyle their future QB, then they need to simply build around him. I think that is more important than addressing some of the holes on defense.

Priority #1-Draft an OT. That is the biggest weakness on this team. I can't think of a bigger weakness then Chris Terry? He is awful.

Priority #2-Draft another WR. Kennison is old, still decent, but there comes a time when you can't keep relying on your veterans. I think if your the Chiefs you have to think another big play threat for the future that can play next to Dwayne Bowe.

Priority #3-I like Alan Faneca if the Chiefs can sign him in the off-season great! If not, then here is where you draft your G or C.

*My point is, if you expect your QB to grow, it only helps if he has a good environment around him. But then again, this coaching staff? Oh well, players for now! It the only thing we can hope for at this point.

[Tribal Warfare]

I know the Chiefs have a ton of holes on their team.
But I say the best thing for them to do is address the offense. If they are going to make Brodie Croyle their future QB, then they need to simply build around him. I think that is more important than addressing some of the holes on defense.

Priority #1-Draft an OT. That is the biggest weakness on this team. I can't think of a bigger weakness then Chris Terry? He is awful.

Priority #2-Draft another WR. Kennison is old, still decent, but there comes a time when you can't keep relying on your veterans. I think if your the Chiefs you have to think another big play threat for the future that can play next to Dwayne Bowe.

Priority #3-I like Alan Faneca if the Chiefs can sign him in the off-season great! If not, then here is where you draft your G or C.

*My point is, if you expect your QB to grow, it only helps if he has a good environment around him. But then again, this coaching staff? Oh well, players for now! It the only thing we can hope for at this point.


BPA in the draft a team addresses needs through FA

[Hoover]

I don't think we need to draft a FA WR, we have Bowe, but maybe we should go sign a legit vet to start oppisite of him.

Take the best players, but we need to find some starting offensive linemen in the draft and free agency,

[StcChief]

If we keep losing we have a chance for a Top 10 Draft Pick!

shouldn't this be in the Capt obvious thread :D

[BigChiefFan]

We have holes at every position besides punter.

Key additions include LT, C, RT, CB, WR, DT DE, K, and SS

[Rausch]

I feel your pain. I know your angry hateful comments towards me are misdirected. I forgive you. That's how some chiefs fans can cope through the CP era. For both our sakes I hope it comes to end soon.

You don't feel my pain. I'm not in any ****ing pain. I enjoy watching football. If my Chiefs ever win something of value I'll be ecstatic and blasted for a full week, but I'm not going to lose my mind 'cause we didn't win a playoff game yet again.

I also don't have a problem with Peterson, his methods, or his style. My only problem is with results. Not one playoff win in over 10 years is NOT acceptable. It doesn't matter if I like him or not, he's failed. Consistent, year after year, endless failure is not tolerable. It's over. Time to start clean after next year. GM, HC, full on remodeling.

And my comments towards you are not misdirected. I'm an angry and hateful person and you're a douchebag. We've both proven, countless times, this is our MO for years now.

How about you hope we get lucky and find the steal of the draft in whatever ****ing position we draft in? Whoa....what a concept, eh?

Quit cheering against your own team, rooting for losses, and forget WHEN we draft. It's not when you draft. When you draft is the least important part of the draft. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE PICKS YOU HAVE?

[barry_smilez20]

forget it lions are losing out hopefully we give up a good draft pick to get harrington back he did a great job