Croyle out, Huard in!

[KC4EVER]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3135322&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Let's hope we can stop the pass rush, or we're in for a long day!

[Pushead2]

**** you Huard

[percysnow]

everyone acts like croyle has done so much positive for this offense . .i know he's our future but its not like he gives us a better chance to win any games this year. .

[FAX]

Man, this sucks.

FAX

[talastan]

Just hope that he can get the ball to Gonzo or Bowe. Hopefully Huard comes in refreshed and ready. I'd feel better if Croyle was in but I'm not going so far as to root against my team....Damon here you go again. Please don't go fetal position on us!!

[Otter]

I think I've bottomed out, I'm done for the season gentlemen. See ya next year.

Good luck.

[CupidStunt]

everyone acts like croyle has done so much positive for this offense . .i know he's our future but its not like he gives us a better chance to win any games this year. .

All the more reason to want Croyle.

[Rooster]

Here's to a great draft pick. :toast:

[Brock]

everyone acts like croyle has done so much positive for this offense . .i know he's our future but its not like he gives us a better chance to win any games this year. .

Are you kidding? Who gives a shit about winning games at this point?

[rageeumr]

8 posts, no comments about how the title says that Huard is to start "vs. Raiders"

[dirk digler]

Are you kidding? Who gives a shit about winning games at this point?

Yep exactly. I hope Damon throws 5 INTs and we lose by 30

[FAX]

I think I've bottomed out, I'm done for the season gentlemen. See ya next year.

Good luck.

Good God, Mr. Otter. No!!

What's a support group without support?

FAX

[Kylo Ren]

This may be the first game since '91 that I don't watch. I've lost interest. I just want a high draft pick. Maybe they can pick up that man mountain of a LT from OU?

[Pushead2]

Here's to a great draft pick. :toast:

rep

[chiefforlife]

Thigpen bus .........boarding now!!!

[Reerun_KC]

everyone acts like croyle has done so much positive for this offense . .i know he's our future but its not like he gives us a better chance to win any games this year. .

Starting Huard might be the final nail in the coffin this weekend.

Can anyone say blackout?

[Pushead2]

This may be the first game since '91 that I don't watch. I've lost interest. I just want a high draft pick. Maybe they can pick up that man mountain of a LT from OU?

who???? do you mean UM Jake Long?

[percysnow]

Are you kidding? Who gives a shit about winning games at this point?


you misunderstood my point fool. . i was saying the thread starter made a statement as if we were doomed this week because huard is starting. . i was repying to him. .

[dirk digler]

The one thing though is you can't blame Herm on this one Brodie is hurt and he really has no other option

[Pushead2]

Thigpen bus .........boarding now!!!

I am so on it.

[KCJohnny]

Huard's not as banged up as he was 3 weeks ago. He'll do fine. May even get 13 instead of just 10 points this week with Carney kicking.
;)

[Reerun_KC]

Are you kidding? Who gives a shit about winning games at this point?
Exactly!

Huard had his chance, he pissed all over himself and quit on his team in the Broncos game...

**** Huard! He is nothing more than a wasted roster spot now...

[FAX]

Let's see here ... Rope? Gun? Explosives? Poison? Razor Blade? Bridge? Electrocution? Carbon Monoxide?

FAX

[Reerun_KC]

The one thing though is you can't blame Herm on this one Brodie is hurt and he really has no other option
Thigpen.......

[Pushead2]

Exactly!

Huard had his chance, he pissed all over himself and quit on his team in the Broncos game...

**** Huard! He is nothing more than a wasted roster spot now...

rep, **** Huard

[Reerun_KC]

Let's see here ... Rope? Gun? Explosives? Poison? Razor Blade? Bridge? Electrocution? Carbon Monoxide?

FAX


I will take, what is the Gas Chamber for $200 and the block Bob!

[bobbything]

I wish KU vs. USC started at noon so I wouldn't be forced to watch the 1st hour of this game.

[Iowanian]

everyone acts like croyle has done so much positive for this offense . .i know he's our future but its not like he gives us a better chance to win any games this year. .

Every snap he takes this year, gives him experience and live game tape for the decision for this offseason to be more clear.

Huard is a fart in the wind.....zero upside once he's let out.



I'll record it, and watch Sandy eggo have an orgy with my bad girlfriend later. During the game, I'll go outside in the high wind and sleet-rain predicted to walk 10 miles over hills and through brush to kill deer. It'll be less painful and tiresome.

[Pushead2]

I will take, what is the Gas Chamber for $200 and the block Bob!

you mean Drew

[Reerun_KC]

Give us Thigpen or give us death...

Acutally watching a Huard lead offense, death isnt a bad option...

[morphius]

I almost dread watching the Chiefs play, this is not going to help matters.

[Reerun_KC]

you mean Drew
:cuss:

There is only one Bob Barker!

[Bugeater]

Let's see here ... Rope? Gun? Explosives? Poison? Razor Blade? Bridge? Electrocution? Carbon Monoxide?

FAX
Bowl of antifreeze.

[Pushead2]

I'd take Bob over Huard.

[percysnow]

Every snap he takes this year, gives him experience and live game tape for the decision for this offseason to be more clear.




wow u are so intelligent. . u should def coach the nfl. .did u figure that out all by urself? . .and i cant believe u other guys figured out that at this position in the season we are better off losing out to improve our draft pick. . how u guys are not GM's is beyond me

[Reerun_KC]

wow u are so intelligent. . u should def coach the nfl. .did u figure that out all by urself? . .and i cant believe u other guys figured out that at this position in the season we are better off losing out to improve our draft pick. . how u guys are not GM's is beyond me


Maybe someday we will move up to produce, then to fries like you....

[Pushead2]

how u guys are not GM's is beyond me

That's because Carl won't die!!! :cuss:

[jjjayb]

Thigpen bus .........boarding now!!!

Who was the kid that was our 4th string QB in preseason? He looked impressive playing against and with the scrubs.

[Rooster]

BREAKING NEWS: Fantasy Boards everywhere are crashing do to the news of Huard's possible start.

[The Franchise]

Looks like my Sunday is free now. Oh wait....early game....I'm sleeping in.

[morphius]

wow u are so intelligent. . u should def coach the nfl. .did u figure that out all by urself? . .and i cant believe u other guys figured out that at this position in the season we are better off losing out to improve our draft pick. . how u guys are not GM's is beyond me
You are right, QB's always get better without getting snaps. Some of the best QB's in the league right now spent decades on the bench before proving themselves in games...

[Reerun_KC]

You are right, QB's always get better without getting snaps. Some of the best QB's in the league right now spent decades on the bench before proving themselves in games...

So your saying Matt Bludin is ready to go now?

[xbarretx]

Thigpen bus .........boarding now!!!

i wish, i would rather see him in then Damon. see if hes useful or not.

[FAX]

I almost dread watching the Chiefs play, this is not going to help matters.

Chiefs luck dictates that Downfield will have the game of the century, Mr. morphius. He'll leave the game with a quarterback rating of 200 having passed for 500 yards, 7 touchdowns, and leading us to a 60 to 0 win.

FAX

[bobbything]

Maybe someday we will move up to produce, then to fries like you....
"That's when the big bucks start rolling in!"

[Donger]

Excellent. Now I get to imitate Chevy Chase in Christmas Vacation this Sunday... I just hope I don't fall off the f*cking roof again this year.

[alpha_omega]

8 posts, no comments about how the title says that Huard is to start "vs. Raiders"

Y, was just getting ready to comment on that. ESPN blows!

[FAX]

Who was the kid that was our 4th string QB in preseason? He looked impressive playing against and with the scrubs.

Yeah. The guy who was pissed when he was cut. Where is he? Back in Canada?

FAX

[Donger]

"That's when the big bucks start rolling in!"

"There's f*ckin' room to move as a fry cook. I could be manager in two years. King. God."

[morphius]

Yeah. The guy who was pissed when he was cut. Where is he? Back in Canada?

FAX
No, that was our number 3, Printers or something like that.

[Fly O.T. McWall]

croyles not even dressing. eddie kennison is our 3rd string qb.

[jjjayb]

Yeah. The guy who was pissed when he was cut. Where is he? Back in Canada?

FAX

Not printers. The other kid. One spot below printers on the depth chart.

[Reerun_KC]

croyles not even dressing. eddie kennison is our 3rd string qb.
Lets hope Huard will quit on his team again and Thigpen will see some playing time!

[Fly O.T. McWall]

Lets hope Huard will quit on his team again and Thigpen will see some playing time!
but EK would fit in with our old qbs.

[FAX]

Not printers. The other kid. One spot below printers on the depth chart.

Hmmm. Drawing a blank, here. Not the guy from Yale or wherever, right?

FAX

[The Franchise]

Not printers. The other kid. One spot below printers on the depth chart.

Jeff Terrell?

[bowener]

Thigpen bus .........boarding now!!!

Will my Huard bus ticket work for the thigpen ride? Oh wait... i wiped my ass with it... I think that voids the ticket.

[bowener]

I was thinking, we could just give Herm a boner and run the old school wish bone or something similar to what Arkansas ran against LSU. Just direct snap it 50 times to Smith and have bigfoot and dunn in that backfield... why dunn? I dont know, do we have any other backs? Boomer doesnt count.

[Rooster]

croyles not even dressing. eddie kennison is our 3rd string qb.

Play EK... We have to see if we have anything with that guy.

[Coogs]

No need to worry if Huard gets hurt. Thigpin has learned the R2P2 offense already. ;)

Q&A with HERM EDWARDS - 11/30
Nov 30, 2007, 2:03:47 PM


VIDEO: Windows | Real | Audio

Q: How’s Brodie Croyloe?

HERM EDWARDS: “Out. Keyaron Fox will probably be out too.”

Q: Will Brodie be the number three QB?

EDWARDS: “No, he won’t even dress.”

Q: Does Brodie have broken ribs?

EDWARDS: “No, he should be better next week. [points to his back] He got hit right here in the back. He can throw this way [shows] but he can’t actually turn [shows]. It’s very, very sore.”

Q: So it was determined today that he couldn’t go?

EDWARDS: “He threw a little bit but he can’t move well.”

Q: Does it give you confidence knowing Damon Huard is guy who’s been there and done that?

EDWARDS: “Yes.”

Q: Does it give you a lift knowing he fired that second half win in San Diego?

EDWARDS: “Well, yeah, and Damon has done this before. He’s been the backup before and has been the starter during the season. That’s what the good veteran quarterback does and that’s why you have him.”

Q: But specifically having done it San Diego, too?

EDWARDS: “He made some big plays in San Diego, threw some big passes and we made some big catches. We got some turnovers too, especially in the second half, and that kind of helped us.”

Q: Are you worried that Brodie might be injury prone?

EDWARDS: “No, and that’s going to be the knock. But it’s nothing he can’t recover from. He got hurt early in his college career but his senior year he got through. Any time you get hurt once or twice in your career people are going to say you’re injury-prone. But I don’t buy that. It was a freak accident what happened to him. It was one of those deals.”

Q: Do you sense he’s aware of that rap?

EDWARD: “Sure, all players are. I don’t know if he’s sensitive to it, but people are going to say that. You look at the guy. He’s not a big guy but there are a lot of quarterbacks his size in the league that play.

“When you’ve had a history of being hurt and you may have missed some time people are going to say are you’re injury prone? But in the league at the quarterback position there aren’t too many of them that don’t miss some games. There are some streaks that have gone on like last night with Brett Favre but it’s a tough position to play.”

Q: Is it a bruise?

EDWARDS: “A deep, deep bruise is what I’m getting. Yes.”

Q: You think he can play next week?

EDWARDS: “I’m hoping so if it loosens up. It’s very tight right now.”

Q: This is one of those injuries that can happen no matter how big a guy is. But would you like him to put on some more weight?

EDWARDS: “A little bit but when you look at his frame where’s he going to do it. It’s kind of like some other guys in the league. Joe Montana wasn’t a real big guy. Trent Guy wasn’t the biggest guy either. There are quarterbacks who play like that. It’s a matter of who you are.”

Q: What is your team’s confidence level? Are the players down?

EDWARDS: “Losing is never any fun and the way we’ve lost is definitely not any fun. We’ve been in every ball game. It’s not like the game starts and by the second half the game is over. It’s not been that way at all. Maybe the Denver game got away from us a little bit in the third quarter. But the rest of them they all went into the fourth quarter. We had an opportunity and they were one score games basically.

“We haven’t made a play. In the games that we’ve won it’s been a similar scenario but we won the games. I think our guys are still confident and you get more confident when you win and we haven’t won the games. We’ve lost four tough ones.”

Q: Is that going to be thee mantra of the season: we’ve been close?

EDWARDS: “I know and we didn’t finish games. We didn’t finish them out. Scoring helps you and we haven’t scored a lot of points. That being said games are going to be close. Defensively, we’ve kept the scores down for the most part in most games. Who knows how the season is going to turn out.”

Q: Your other injury situation?

EDWARDS: “Patrick [Surtain] practiced, Terry will be back tomorrow and he’ll probably be down. Turley will start. Fox, no. Wesley will be up and Webb is alright.”

Q: You picked QB Thigpin when you were getting ready for the season and hadn’t a lot of time to develop him. Have you been able to see anything from him if you needed him to go into the game on Sunday?

EDWARDS: “Yeah, he’d be ready to go. He’s got enough plays where he’d be ready to play and participate. We like him. He can move, has a good arm. We liked him coming out [of college] and thought about drafting him in the later rounds and Minnesota ended up taking him. We were able to get him off the practice squad.

“He’s excited but he doesn’t want anything to happen to Damon obviously.”

Q: How much could he do?

EDWARDS: “We could do some things with him offensively. He’s been around, been here for a time and is a smart guy and he’s been to all the meetings. He knows what we do on offense. He’d be fine if he had to go in the game.”

Q: What did he do this week? All scout team?

EDWARDS: “No, we gave him some on offense.”

Q: Worse case scenario who would be your third quarterback?

EDWARDS: Eddie [Kennison]. He’d be the third. He played quarterback in high school.”

Q: But he’d be a guy who could take snap?

EDWARDS: “Take a snap, give a hand-off and maybe give him one pass. I was the disaster guy in Philly and had two plays. I never had to get in, which was good. They gave me a running play and I told them I wanted one pass. It was throw deep. I didn’t want a three step [drop]. That was my two plays.”

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Damn You Carl!

[Demonpenz]

damn key fox loss will hurt us

[Pushead2]

Damn You Carl!

Your avatar is horrid.

[jjjayb]

Jeff Terrell?

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. That's the kid. Whatever happened to him anyway?

[The Franchise]

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. That's the kid. Whatever happened to him anyway?
Practice squad?

[FAX]

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. That's the kid. Whatever happened to him anyway?

Ah. Yeah. He was pretty good. The Packers probably have him, now.

FAX

[jjjayb]

Trent Guy wasn’t the biggest guy either.


Who the heck is Trent Guy and why haven't I heard of him?

[Rasputin]

:sulk:

[Frazod]

Well, that certainly frees up my Sunday schedule. :cuss:

[Lonewolf Ed]

everyone acts like croyle has done so much positive for this offense . .i know he's our future but its not like he gives us a better chance to win any games this year. .

No, he doesn't at this point. However, he needs to play. Now.

[wasi]

No, he doesn't at this point. However, he needs to play. Now.

I agree.

I recall watching the Broncos game the week after they lost to the Lions, the game inwhich Cutler was supposedly hurt pretty bad. I remember the announcers repeatedly saying it was important for him to be out there because it showed leadership and toughness to his team mates. I wonder if this same logic applies in this situation?

[Demonpenz]

there was a trent patterson or something like that that threw left handed and I don't even think he went to college. He was throwing away his last 5 for 5.55 arby's roast beef sandwhich because it was getting cold and a talent scout was just finishing up his last curly fry when he started choking. well i will be damned if that guy didn't wheel check off the incoming free refill and throw a perfect strike into the adams apple of the chiefs talent scout thus saving the day. It will be made into a movie like the mark walburg eagles story.
Roast beef dreams

[CupidStunt]

This may be the first game since '91 that I don't watch. I've lost interest. I just want a high draft pick. Maybe they can pick up that man mountain of a LT from OU?

Same here. Last game I missed was in '93, and, although it wasn't out of choice, we got stomped by the Dolphins.

Won't be worried about missing this at all. Come Sunday, I'll be on the sofa with a 6-pack and steak watching Indy-Jacksonville. I might put a stream of SD-KC on the laptop to view during adverts. I might not. If I do, it'll purely be to see if Bowe catches some balls, Kolby runs well and Jared/DJ play well.

[mikey23545]

This BB has become an embarrassment.

[Frazod]

This BB has become an embarrassment.

Well, it's in good company. So has the team.

[keg in kc]

Think it's time to adjust my week 2 prediction from 6-10 to 4-12.

Winless dullfins are going to cost us the #1 pick.

[keg in kc]

Every cloud has a silver lining. With Huard in we will see an open playbook, which means the coaches might actually let the team win. Is this sarcasm? My detector's on the fritz...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I think I've bottomed out, I'm done for the season gentlemen. See ya next year.

Good luck.



Don't let the door kick ya in the ass on the way out.

[RustShack]

Hopefully Merriman finishes off Huard the first play, the Thigpan plays.

[HypnotizedMonkey]

I think we could have a game... if we can get a repeat performance from Kolby to keep them honest.

[ChiefsCountry]

If Croyle is hurt, then I dont have a problem with Huard in there. That is what a backup quarterback is suppose to do. Let Brodie get healthy then send him back to kick some Donkey ass next week.

[Bill S Preston]

Great, now we're going to lose.


Every time that Damon Huard starts for you against us, you score over thirty points. Damn near an offensive orgasm for Herm.

[Megbert]

This Chiefs season is to my soul as
R Kelly's urine is to that girls face.

[PastorMikH]

Huard's starting? Cool!!!




Since the game isn't shown here I won't have to be upset about not getting to see Brodie play now.

[Spott]

This reminds of Bono's last year when Marty finally put Gannon in as the starter only to see him get hurt and we had to finish the season with Bono.

[Warrior5]

Great, now we're going to lose.


Every time that Damon Huard starts for you against us, you score over thirty points. Damn near an offensive orgasm for Herm.

That's right! Wobblelauncher = death to the Eggos!

[Rooster]

This Chiefs season is to my soul as
R Kelly's urine is to that girls face.

:spock:

[Bowser]

God hates Chiefs fans.

[Rasputin]

:sulk:

[Eleazar]

We really need that drinking smiley from the Mange

[the Talking Can]

thankfully I have obligations on Sunday...

[Deberg_1990]

Id rather see Thigpen in there. Its pointless to throw Huard back in there.

Typical..

[Skip Towne]

I wonder how much TBA's tickets are worth now? They shouldn't have announced this till game time.

[BigMeatballDave]

everyone acts like croyle has done so much positive for this offense . .i know he's our future but its not like he gives us a better chance to win any games this year. .Dumbass...
:rolleyes:

[PastorMikH]

Id rather see Thigpen in there. Its pointless to throw Huard back in there.

Typical..



But, but, but, Huard gives us the best chance of winning!


:rolleyes:


Once we are officially out of the playoff race I predict we will win out.:banghead:

[Crush]

**** you Herm! :cuss: :cuss:

[Coach]

So much for the "team in transition" or "team in rebuild mode"

:shake:

[2bikemike]

Id rather see Thigpen in there. Its pointless to throw Huard back in there.

Typical..

Hell the way this line blocks we probably will see Thigpen at some point in the game.

[Reerun_KC]

Every cloud has a silver lining. With Huard in we will see an open playbook, which means the coaches might actually let the team win.

I still would rather see Thigpen.


no way you can be serious? Huard and an open playbook? the guy has a supersoaker for an arm...

We have all witnessed this train wreck before.. Huard = nothing... He's got nothing and can do nothing...

[MadMax]

Same here. Last game I missed was in '93, and, although it wasn't out of choice, we got stomped by the Dolphins.

Won't be worried about missing this at all. Come Sunday, I'll be on the sofa with a 6-pack and steak watching Indy-Jacksonville. I might put a stream of SD-KC on the laptop to view during adverts. I might not. If I do, it'll purely be to see if Bowe catches some balls, Kolby runs well and Jared/DJ play well.



I agree, not gonna let those assholes ( coaching staff & mgmt. ) screw up my Sunday. :) At this point I just wanna see the youngsters get better and have a good day..

[Coach]

I still dont' understand what is the purpose of putting Horrid back there. Already, Herm is a liar, and he's doing it again. I'm not getting this twisted, if we were a team in transition, or a team in rebulding mode (Joe P's column) then wouldn't it be wiser for the future to start Thigpen to see if he can cut it?

Of course, won't matter, becuase Herm is who I thought he is, and other people are letting him off the f**king hook.

Crown his f**king a** already. :shake:

[FAX]

I agree, not gonna let those assholes ( coaching staff & mgmt. ) screw up my Sunday. :) At this point I just wanna see the youngsters get better and have a good day..

Yep. I'm gonna be streamin' and a screamin' all day long.

FAX

[Sanka]

I'd rather shit my pants, go out in public with out changing, and bragging to everyone that I just shit my pants, than to cheer for Huard.

[MadMax]

Play EK... We have to see if we have anything with that guy.



ROFL

[ClevelandBronco]

Remember the Croyle era? That was a hell of a few quarters.

[KCJohnny]

Everyone's bemoaning a Huard start, but its probably a good thing vs SD. Last meeting Huard rallied the Chiefs on the road from a 16-6 haltime deficit to a 30-16 victory. Huard's stat line was pretty healthy:

D.Huard 29 17 284 2/20 2 51 2 86.0He found Bowe 8x for 164 yards.Its hardly a bad idea to play Huard when he threw for 284 yards ON THE ROAD vs SD.:arrow:

[FAX]

Remember the Croyle era? That was a hell of a few quarters.

ROFL

FAX

[L.A. Chieffan]

Shall I bring this back?:

[cdcox]

I'll watch on Sunday. Maybe the Chiefs will do something to get me interested.

[Mecca]

We're gonna have to draft another QB, I'm not sure Croyle will ever be able to be a starter with his injury proneness. His odds of making it through a full season seem slim and none.

[Hammock Parties]

We're gonna have to draft another QB, I'm not sure Croyle will ever be able to be a starter with his injury proneness. His odds of making it through a full season seem slim and none.

The Chiefs will never win a Super Bowl. We need an expansion team...and we need to annex the state and have it airlifted into the pacific. This whole region is cursed.

[cdcox]

We're gonna have to draft another QB, I'm not sure Croyle will ever be able to be a starter with his injury proneness. His odds of making it through a full season seem slim and none.

Now Carl will say "This is why you don't draft QBs. It's a crap shoot." And we'll sign some someone else's garbage. Just watch.

[Mecca]

Now Carl will say "This is why you don't draft QBs. It's a crap shoot." And we'll sign some someone else's garbage. Just watch.

LOL, I wouldn't be surprised.....

Truth is being injured was Croyle's biggest knock coming out, everyone knew he was made of glass. If he didn't have that rep it was possible he would have went higher.

[cdcox]

LOL, I wouldn't be surprised.....

Truth is being injured was Croyle's biggest knock coming out, everyone knew he was made of glass. If he didn't have that rep it was possible he would have went higher.

I was willing to give him a chance. But I agree that he looks pretty fragile now. He got roughed up a little, but I'm surprised he needs to sit out.

[Hammock Parties]

Derek Anderson here we come!

[GarySpFc]

I was willing to give him a chance. But I agree that he looks pretty fragile now. He got roughed up a little, but I'm surprised he needs to sit out.

I have reviewed the play in which Croyle was injured at least 15 times and 7 or 8 of those times in slow motion. In slow motion you would not believe how fast it happened. Croyle was being chased by Derrick Burgess (#56). Two linebackers, (Kirk Morrison #52 240 lbs & Robert Thomas #55 235 lbs) kneed him in the back as he slid to a stop. Even Chuck Morris would be out of action for a week after being hit like that.

[cdcox]

Derek Anderson here we come!

Cleveland won't be letting him go.

[FAX]

I was willing to give him a chance. But I agree that he looks pretty fragile now. He got roughed up a little, but I'm surprised he needs to sit out.

You are recognized as one of the most knowledgeable persons on this or any other board on the entire internet, Mr. cdcox, so I hesitate to say anything at all. But, I wouldn't go that far.

Croyle played practically the entire game with an injury that would have sent Downfield home to his mommy. I can't remember which game it was, but he was sacked something like a dozen times in one single game at Bama. And that, obviously, didn't include hits. Some of those sacks were full on tackle dummy jobs where the defender wasn't even slowed down by the blocker. He's much tougher than people realize. It's really unfortunate that, from this point forward, if Croyle gets injured people are going to bring out the "made of glass" argument.

Apparently, he suffered some pretty severe bruising that is limiting his ability to move. That doesn't necessarily equate to fragility. It was a freak shot. A one in one thousand thing. The positive side to this is that he's learned not to put himself at undo risk in the NFL.

FAX

[alanm]

I have reviewed the play in which Croyle was injured at least 15 times and 7 or 8 of those times in slow motion. In slow motion you would not believe how fast it happened. Croyle was being chased by Derrick Burgess (#56). Two linebackers, (Kirk Morrison #52 240 lbs & Robert Thomas #55 235 lbs) kneed him in the back as he slid to a stop. Even Chuck Morris would be out of action for a week after being hit like that.
I don't know about Chuck Morris, But Chuck Norris would of jumped up and kicked their asses.

[cdcox]

You are recognized as one of the most knowledgeable persons on this or any other board on the entire internet, Mr. cdcox, so I hesitate to say anything at all. But, I wouldn't go that far.

Croyle played practically the entire game with an injury that would have sent Downfield home to his mommy. I can't remember which game it was, but he was sacked something like a dozen times in one single game at Bama. And that, obviously, didn't include hits. Some of those sacks were full on tackle dummy jobs where the defender wasn't even slowed down by the blocker. He's much tougher than people realize. It's really unfortunate that, from this point forward, if Croyle gets injured people are going to bring out the "made of glass" argument.

Apparently, he suffered some pretty severe bruising that is limiting his ability to move. That doesn't necessarily equate to fragility. It was a freak shot. A one in one thousand thing. The positive side to this is that he's learned not to put himself at undo risk in the NFL.

FAX

If this was a freak thing, he'll still get his chance to prove himself. But if buzzards start circling Arrowhead next time he starts, I think the gig is up.

[FAX]

If this was a freak thing, he'll still get his chance to prove himself. But if buzzards start circling Arrowhead next time he starts, I think the gig is up.

ROFL

Agreed. Honestly, if Croyle isn't the guy to take the Chiefs into a bright future of playoff victories and Super Bowl rings, I promise you I'll be first in line to kick his ass out of town.

But we've waited for centuries to have a young quarterback of our own to develop. Now people are finding any excuse to dump him overboard including this crazy "he's too small/delicate/soft to play in the NFL" nonsense. He just had 500 pounds of manmeat jam hard bone into his spine at 30 miles an hour and he played through it for three and a half quarters. Now some people want to call him Mr. Glass.

I respect your football acumen very much, Mr. cdcox, and I urge you to temper your opinion of Brodie until we have a chance to see him play his game. Croyle is tough as hell and the kind of competitor we want under center. I hope he gets a fair shot here. If not, I'd say the odds are excellent that he'll make it with another franchise who knows how to work a quarterback into a system and fans that don't wring their panties at every setback.

FAX

[GarySpFc]

I don't know about Chuck Morris, But Chuck Norris would of jumped up and kicked their asses.

Yeah sure? That was a typo, and I meant Norris. I studied under Jim Harrison in the Sixties, when I was in Special Forces, and it is <u>my opinion</u> even he would have been hurt in that hit. Here is information on Harrison.
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Called "one of the most dangerous men in the world" by Bruce Lee, Jim Harrison needs no introduction to anyone who has had even a passing interest in the martial arts over the past four decades. Known for his notorious battles during the unforgettable "Blood-n-Guts" era of American karate, he has been called the closest thing to a modern samurai the 20th century can produce. <p>
Jim Harrison was 3-time U.S. Karate Champion, 3-time All American Grand Champion, the undefeated U.S. light-heavyweight kickboxing champion, and coach to the undefeated 1974-76 U.S. Professional Team. <p> He has trained U.S. Army Special Forces and Rangers, Navy SEALs, Marine Recon and Delta Force, provided personal security for Chuck Norris, Linda (Mrs. Bruce) Lee and Prince Mikhail Matijasevic, was awarded a Ph.D in Research, Analysis and Instruction by Yudanshakai University, and was inducted into the International Karate Hall of Fame with Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee.<p> Jim Harrison is the founder of Bushidokan, Sakura Warrior Arts and Ronin Jutsu, and is one of the most highly regarded and respected instructors in the world of martial arts. <p> Jim Harrison is a legend in American Martial Arts. He holds black belts in Aikido, Judo, Jujitsu and five different styles of Karate from White belt to Black belt. He was inducted into the "Karate Hall of Fame" in Cleveland, Ohio along with the legendary Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris. As a former police officer in St. Louis he served on a "Special Violence Squad" that was sent into the ghettos after the most dangerous criminals. He is currently an "ASSISTANT NATIONAL DIRECTOR" for the "UNITED STATES POLICE DEFENCE TACTICS ASSOCIATION," and conducts seminars on Police Defense Tactics to police departments all over the country. He holds a PHD in Martial Arts and is recognized as the toughest Martial Artist in the world by "Who's who in American Martial Arts." He was the first Light-heavyweight Kickboxing Champion, and unofficial "World Champion," At the time there was no world title but he knocked out the Japan Champion, Korean Champion, and the Thailand Champion and was undefeated in "Full Contact Karate" competition. <p><b> The following is from the American Black Belt Association Hall of Fame:</b>
"Born in 1936, the tough Jim Harrison was a major force in the early competitive environments of both Judo and Karate in the U.S. A former AAU Judo champion, Harrison won numerous karate titles including the first ever full contact kickboxing match held in 1970 U.S. Karate Championships. <p> Among his many legendary fights, one of the toughest on record was his match against Fred Wren for the United States Karate Championships in 1969. Harrison also held the first ever World Professional Karate Championships at his Dojo in Kansas City, 1968. This was a heavy contact, no pads competition that drew six of the toughest fighters of the time, Joe Lewis, Bob Wall, Skipper Mullins, Pat Burleson, David Moon and Fred Wren. Both Burleson and Moon had their ribs broken during the competition. Moon, with broken ribs, finished the final fight with Joe Lewis. The winner , Joe Lewis, besides the title of being the first World Professional Karate Champion, earned one dollar for his efforts. <p> Jim Harrison was known for both hitting hard and taking hard hits. Perhaps the most feared of Harrison's abilities was his Judo ability. Karate fighters who had not learned to fall had much to fear when facing Jim Harrison who was known to frequently dump his opponents with judo throws throughout the match.<p> Harrison, one of the toughest and hardest training competitors of his day was also known for many impressive and dangerous breaking feats, including shattering with a shuto strike a bottle full of gasoline with a lit wick that erupted into a ball of flame. During Jim Harrison's 1970 , first ever, full contact bout in Dallas, Texas, he received a cut from a glove lace over his eye. Attempts at taping failed to stop the bleeding, finally, between rounds a physician came into the ring, and without anesthetic stiched the wound over Harrison's eye. Harrison calmly laid on the floor of the ring during the stitching without a flinch, then went on to win the fight with a knockout. <p>
Perhaps his most legendary feat of toughness was when as a police officer, he was ambushed by an ex-con who came out of a bathroom stall and fired point blank with a high caliber pistol at Harrison. Harrison managed to subdue his attacker before passing out from his wounds. The wounds, very serious in nature, kept him down for a while, but he recovered and came back stronger than ever.