My Dream Off-Season

[Shox]

1. King Carl is FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!! Replaced by pretty much anybody,

2. Resign Jared Allen to a long term deal.

FA Signings

3A Alan Faneca OLG Pitt - He would bring some toughness, heart, experience and attitude to the Oline and the team in general.
3B Ryan Lilja OLG Indy - not a bad alternative to Faneca

4 Jordan Gross ORT Car - Major improvement from what we have on the field now.

5. Patric Crayton WR Dal - I think this guy is a very, very nice WR. DBowe appears to be a superstar in the making, but we still need a second WR, Crayton would fill this role very nicely. Kennison just is not the same and nobody else on this roster has the hands or ability to get open.

6. Dan Kreider FB Pitt - It is time for the experiments at FB to end, we need a tough football player leading for LJ & Kolby. Kreider would fill the bill nicely.

The Draft

8A. Jake Long OLT Michigan - Big, Stud LT. Very unlikely he will be available.
8B. Trade Down - Ryan Clady OLT Boise State. Big and athletic tackle who is a great pass protector. Very good against the speed rushers.

9. Late 1st roud pick obtained by trading down
Agiib Talib CB Kansas - A nice tall CB who can be ready to replace Ty Law when his wheels completly fall off.

10. Philip Wheeler MLB Georgia Teck - Big, and good speed 4.7. Nap has done a nice job, but I think our D needs a force at the MLB position.

Ok I understand this is pure fantasy. A more realistic possibility 2, 3A or 3B, 6, & 8B. Add a CB or WR with our 2nd round pick and it would be a very sucessful offseason..................and I'm still dreaming about Carl's departure.

[Davechief]

Although the Chiefs have more pressing needs than WR, I think James Hardy from Indiana would fit in nicely opposite Bowe if he decides to enter the draft this year.

[Bump]

I would blow a nut if 4 of those things happened this offseason

[mylittlepony]

With MLB it really depends on who declares early. Cause there are alot of great MLBs out there. If two of Laurinaitis, Mauluga and Mayo dont declare. I would wait till next year in order to fill MLB. Especially with a chance of getting Brandon Spikes.

[Rasputin]

King Carl gets fired & Axl Rose puts out the next G&R album. Neither will happen, but I can dream.

[Smed1065]

Franeca is the same as CP getting fired.

It is not good for an aging line starting next year. We need to develop a line from drafts and FA. Less than last year and we are cohesive. If you was happy this year, next year should be golden....

With 1 improvement.

[CoMoChief]

1. King Carl gets canned.

2. Resign Jared Allen long term.
2b. Trade Larry Johnson for a 1st and a 4th

3. Draft
1. OT Ryan Clady - Boise St. (trade down)
1. WR Deshaun Jackson - California (via LJ trade)
2. OT Michael Oher - Mississippi
2. TE Martin Rucker - Missouri (from trade down)
3. CB Brandon Flowers - Virginia Tech
3. WR Maurice Purify - Nebraska (from trade down)
4. C - Adam Spieker - Missouri
4. OG Herman Johnson - LSU

After this it's Herm's job to find the late round gems in DB's and for the scouting dept to get the BPA etc.

4. FA
1. WR - Bernard Berrian - Chicago Bears
2. WR - Patrick Crayton - Dallas Cowboys
3. OG - Justin Smiley - San Fransisco 49ers
4. OG - Floyd Womack - Seattle Seahawks
5. FB - Tony Richardson - Minnesota Vikings, he got his paycheck, now he should come back home and play one more season and retire with us.

5. Cut/Release/Trade/Get the **** rid of....
1.WR - Eddie Kennison
WR - Bobbie Sippio
WR - Jeff Webb
WR - Sammie Parker
TE - Kris Wilson
OT - Chris Terry
OT - Kyle Turley
OG - John Welbourn
TE - Michael Allen
CB - Patrick Surtain
LB - Kendrell Bell
KR - Drummond

Then in next offseason we focus on LB's and DT's in the draft



Hey If I were GM, I'd make it happen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I could get a contact high from reading this thread.

[Pablo]

How are our picks set up?

Don't we currently have Miami's 3rd round pick?

[CoMoChief]

How are our picks set up?

Don't we currently have Miami's 3rd round pick?
No we traded Green for a conditional 4th if he played 75% of the snaps for them. Well that didn't ****in happen so now we are settled with their 5th rd pick instead.

[CoMoChief]

We also have conditional picks from the Buccs. At least 2 IIRC. I forgot what we got for Bennett. I want to say a conditional 4th round pick but Im not sure. Then we get a 6th I think from the Sims trade.

We get a 7th from NYG for Tynes.

Not sure if we get a 4th from the Rams this season for Hall. I dont think so but for some reason Im thinking we might.

[HolmeZz]

With MLB it really depends on who declares early. Cause there are alot of great MLBs out there. If two of Laurinaitis, Mauluga and Mayo dont declare. I would wait till next year in order to fill MLB. Especially with a chance of getting Brandon Spikes.

Mauluga is staying in school and Spikes isn't a cover 2 MLB.

[Direckshun]

1. Can Carl Peterson, can Solari. Hire a proven talent eye for GM, and a proven guy for OC.

2. Let go of the usual suspects: QB Damon Huard (only if Pennington, who'd be solid at backup QB, becomes available) FB Boomer Grigsby TE Jason Dunn WR Eddie Kennison WR Sammy Parker OC Casey Wiegmann OG John Welbourne OT Chris Terry OT Kyle Turley DT James Reed LB Kendrell Bell CB Ty Law S Greg Wesley K John Carney KR/PR Eddie Drummond
3. Free Agency. The usual suspects here, too. OG Alan Faneca OG Ryan Lilja OG/OT Jake Scott WR Patrick Crayton Some reserve safety to play backup.
4. Draft: 1. OT (USC's Sam Baker?) 2. DT (Texas' Frank Okum?) 3. WR (Purdue's Dorien Bryant?) 4. CB (Mizzou's Darnell Terrell?) 5. Interior OL (Georgia's Fernando Velasco?) 5. FB (LSU's Jacob Hester?) 6. Interior OL (San Diego State's Brandyn Dombrowski?) 6/7. K (Wisconsin's Taylor Mehlhaff?) 7. Interior OL (Auburn's Leon Hart?) 7. DE (Iowa's Matt Kroul?)
Next year's depth chart (why not):

QB: Croyle, Pennington, Thigpen

RB: Johnson, Smith
FB: rookie, Wilson

LT: rookie, McIntosh
LG: Waters, Taylor
C: rookie/Scott, Niswanger
RG: Faneca/Lilja, rookie
RT: McIntosh, Svitek

TE: Gonzalez, Allan, Wilson
#1 WR: Bowe
#2 WR: Crayton
#3/slot: rookie/Webb
#4: Webb/rookie

DE: Allen, Hali, rookie/Wilkerson
DT: Boone, rookie, Tank, Edwards, Turk

WOLB: Edwards, Fox
MLB: Harris, Harris
SOLB: Johnson, Fox

CB: Surtain, Sapp, Barksdale
CB: rookie, Brackenridge
SS: Pollard, McGraw
FS: Page, random FA

K: rookie
P: Colquitt
LS: Darche
KR/PR: rookie

[btlook1]

Surtain is the best CB that we have why get rid of him? I know he's getting paid alot but I would like to see him around for another year. He's better than Law at this point!


1. King Carl gets canned.

2. Resign Jared Allen long term.
2b. Trade Larry Johnson for a 1st and a 4th

3. Draft
1. OT Ryan Clady - Boise St. (trade down)
1. WR Deshaun Jackson - California (via LJ trade)
2. OT Michael Oher - Mississippi
2. TE Martin Rucker - Missouri (from trade down)
3. CB Brandon Flowers - Virginia Tech
3. WR Maurice Purify - Nebraska (from trade down)
4. C - Adam Spieker - Missouri
4. OG Herman Johnson - LSU

After this it's Herm's job to find the late round gems in DB's and for the scouting dept to get the BPA etc.

4. FA
1. WR - Bernard Berrian - Chicago Bears
2. WR - Patrick Crayton - Dallas Cowboys
3. OG - Justin Smiley - San Fransisco 49ers
4. OG - Floyd Womack - Seattle Seahawks
5. FB - Tony Richardson - Minnesota Vikings, he got his paycheck, now he should come back home and play one more season and retire with us.

5. Cut/Release/Trade/Get the **** rid of....
1.WR - Eddie Kennison
WR - Bobbie Sippio
WR - Jeff Webb
WR - Sammie Parker
TE - Kris Wilson
OT - Chris Terry
OT - Kyle Turley
OG - John Welbourn
TE - Michael Allen
CB - Patrick Surtain
LB - Kendrell Bell
KR - Drummond

Then in next offseason we focus on LB's and DT's in the draft



Hey If I were GM, I'd make it happen.

[BWillie]

1. King Carl is FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!! Replaced by pretty much anybody,

2. Resign Jared Allen to a long term deal.

FA Signings

3A Alan Faneca OLG Pitt - He would bring some toughness, heart, experience and attitude to the Oline and the team in general.
3B Ryan Lilja OLG Indy - not a bad alternative to Faneca

4 Jordan Gross ORT Car - Major improvement from what we have on the field now.

5. Patric Crayton WR Dal - I think this guy is a very, very nice WR. DBowe appears to be a superstar in the making, but we still need a second WR, Crayton would fill this role very nicely. Kennison just is not the same and nobody else on this roster has the hands or ability to get open.

6. Dan Kreider FB Pitt - It is time for the experiments at FB to end, we need a tough football player leading for LJ & Kolby. Kreider would fill the bill nicely.

The Draft

8A. Jake Long OLT Michigan - Big, Stud LT. Very unlikely he will be available.
8B. Trade Down - Ryan Clady OLT Boise State. Big and athletic tackle who is a great pass protector. Very good against the speed rushers.

9. Late 1st roud pick obtained by trading down
Agiib Talib CB Kansas - A nice tall CB who can be ready to replace Ty Law when his wheels completly fall off.

10. Philip Wheeler MLB Georgia Teck - Big, and good speed 4.7. Nap has done a nice job, but I think our D needs a force at the MLB position.

Ok I understand this is pure fantasy. A more realistic possibility 2, 3A or 3B, 6, & 8B. Add a CB or WR with our 2nd round pick and it would be a very sucessful offseason..................and I'm still dreaming about Carl's departure.


Let me tell you this for the record right now, Aquib Talib is one of the most overrated corners in the country, and as you all know I'm a huge KU fan. I bet Talib has 4.7 speed, and probably can bench 225 about 15 times. Talib is a good cover corner, but you shouldn't look at interceptions so much. Talib is a gambler, thats how he gets his pics. He's not athletic enough to cover the new breed of NFL receiver aka 6-3 220 4.47 speed.

I wouldn't be suprised if Talib fell to the 3rd or 4th round after bad combine #'s and scouts going back over the game tape.

[Micjones]

Free Agency:
Ryan Lilja or Chris Snee
Max Starks
Patrick Crayton or Bryant Johnson or Bernard Berrian

Draft:
Ryan Clady
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

[Mecca]

This thread......is cracking me up.

For being a dream offseason you realize all you did was spend a lot of money to bring in some age and win 9 games right?

Also no one should ever ever ever want to sign Bernard Berrian or Max Starks....Starks was giving up about 9 sacks a year and finally got benched. Berrian is just garbage.

[mylittlepony]

My dream offseason involves trading down our first round pick and still getting good value and getting picks in next years draft wich will be higher rounds due to the decreasing value of fututre drafts. I would however want someone that could give Croyle enough time to see if he is good enough to keep or if we need to reinvent that position aswell.

[Mecca]

If anyone can give me a scenario where the Chiefs have pick 8 and a 2nd first round pick I'd like to hear it seeing as I don't see where any teams have...2 first round picks...also trading from best case scenario 4/5-8 doesn't next you another 1st rounder...

Let's be realistic people.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Berrian is just garbage.

Really thats a little harsh... hes not great and wont deserve the money he'll get but garbage?...not that id want him though lol...

[Mecca]

All he can do is run deep......he sucks at running real routes and he has bad hands.

[Mecca]

1. King Carl gets canned.

2. Resign Jared Allen long term.
2b. Trade Larry Johnson for a 1st and a 4th

3. Draft
1. OT Ryan Clady - Boise St. (trade down)
1. WR Deshaun Jackson - California (via LJ trade)
2. OT Michael Oher - Mississippi
2. TE Martin Rucker - Missouri (from trade down)
3. CB Brandon Flowers - Virginia Tech
3. WR Maurice Purify - Nebraska (from trade down)
4. C - Adam Spieker - Missouri
4. OG Herman Johnson - LSU

After this it's Herm's job to find the late round gems in DB's and for the scouting dept to get the BPA etc.

4. FA
1. WR - Bernard Berrian - Chicago Bears
2. WR - Patrick Crayton - Dallas Cowboys
3. OG - Justin Smiley - San Fransisco 49ers
4. OG - Floyd Womack - Seattle Seahawks
5. FB - Tony Richardson - Minnesota Vikings, he got his paycheck, now he should come back home and play one more season and retire with us.

5. Cut/Release/Trade/Get the **** rid of....
1.WR - Eddie Kennison
WR - Bobbie Sippio
WR - Jeff Webb
WR - Sammie Parker
TE - Kris Wilson
OT - Chris Terry
OT - Kyle Turley
OG - John Welbourn
TE - Michael Allen
CB - Patrick Surtain
LB - Kendrell Bell
KR - Drummond

Then in next offseason we focus on LB's and DT's in the draft



Hey If I were GM, I'd make it happen.

Hey guess what......I'm going to show you how this offseason can not possibly happen and how you were on crack even thinking it's a dream..

You wanna resign Allen fine, no issue...

Trading Larry Johnson for a 1st and a 4th, you'd have been lucky to get that last year, you think you are getting it now? You'd be lucky to get a box of tampons for the guy. We're stuck with him unless we cut him and eat the money, period.

I'm only going to comment on the first couple picks of your draft...

Like I said before explain to me where the Chiefs get a 2nd 1st rounder...no team has 2..if you move down you'll just be taking their pick and lower rounders...there is no possible way to acquire 2 first round picks this year. Secondly if the Chiefs taken Ryan Clady with a top 10 pick I will throw shit....You do understand you just gave the Chiefs with their first 3 picks..3 top 20 talents but did it in the backwards order of which they'll probably go...Oher is the highest guy not the lowest of the 3...I won't comment on the others but there is no way on earth this team has 2 1's and 2 2's and if they trade down to acquire more picks then they'll have to move up or trade for picks next year..the rookie pool is only so big you can't have 15 picks you don't have enough money to sign all of them.

Your FA list.....it well frankly sucks.......Berrian blows he's like a better known Samie Parker, Crayton is a slot guy. If you want a WR target Bryant Johnson he's one of the few guys in this FA class I would target. Targeting Guards in FA is so blah unless it's a great player like Hutchinson, since quality starting guards can be had in the mid rounds of the draft even into the 5th round, for much cheaper. The Tony Richardson thing is sentimental but pointless.

If you wanna cut all those guys hey go for it......The Chiefs should not be major players in FA, you do not build a team that way. FA is where you fill the few holes to make a run, not where you build teams. Spending a ton of jack in FA this year will only hurt the team in the long run. It has to be built in the draft over the next 3-4 years, not built in FA or we'll end up right back in this same spot in 4 years...ask Dick Vermiel.

[Tribal Warfare]

Fire Carl, and hire either Marty, Cowher, or Parcells(the former HC:D)


that's all I want, because then everything else will fall into place

[HypnotizedMonkey]

Clark should hire the planet as a think-tank.

ROFL

[KC Jones]

my dream off-season has a ticker tape parade in it.

[The Franchise]

Like I said before explain to me where the Chiefs get a 2nd 1st rounder...no team has 2..if you move down you'll just be taking their pick and lower rounders...there is no possible way to acquire 2 first round picks this year.


Just so you know.....the Cowboys have two first round picks. They have their 1st round pick plus the Browns 1st round pick.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I could get a contact high from reading this thread.

No shit.


Trading LJ for a 1st/4th?

Michael Oher falling to the 2nd?

Agiib Talib in the 1st?

Ryan Clady Top 10?

[El Jefe]

Wait the Cowboys have 2 first round picks when the Clowns traded to get Quinn, they traded next years 1st round pick.

[Micjones]

This thread......is cracking me up.

For being a dream offseason you realize all you did was spend a lot of money to bring in some age and win 9 games right?

God knows 9 games wouldn't be an improvement over this season...

Starks, Snee and Lilja will all be just 26 next season.
Bunch of old guys I tell ya...

Crayton or Johnson would be viable #2 options.
Berrian was a bit of a stretch, but he's better than anything we have on the roster not named Dwayne Bowe or Eddie Kennison (who I expect to retire).

There's 500 yards between our 2nd and 3rd best pass-catchers.
That's an eye popping stat.

[xbarretx]

I'd like to order a big slice of "that" pie :p

:thumb:

1. King Carl gets canned.

2. Resign Jared Allen long term.
2b. Trade Larry Johnson for a 1st and a 4th

3. Draft
1. OT Ryan Clady - Boise St. (trade down)
1. WR Deshaun Jackson - California (via LJ trade)
2. OT Michael Oher - Mississippi
2. TE Martin Rucker - Missouri (from trade down)
3. CB Brandon Flowers - Virginia Tech
3. WR Maurice Purify - Nebraska (from trade down)
4. C - Adam Spieker - Missouri
4. OG Herman Johnson - LSU

After this it's Herm's job to find the late round gems in DB's and for the scouting dept to get the BPA etc.

4. FA
1. WR - Bernard Berrian - Chicago Bears
2. WR - Patrick Crayton - Dallas Cowboys
3. OG - Justin Smiley - San Fransisco 49ers
4. OG - Floyd Womack - Seattle Seahawks
5. FB - Tony Richardson - Minnesota Vikings, he got his paycheck, now he should come back home and play one more season and retire with us.

5. Cut/Release/Trade/Get the **** rid of....
1.WR - Eddie Kennison
WR - Bobbie Sippio
WR - Jeff Webb
WR - Sammie Parker
TE - Kris Wilson
OT - Chris Terry
OT - Kyle Turley
OG - John Welbourn
TE - Michael Allen
CB - Patrick Surtain
LB - Kendrell Bell
KR - Drummond

Then in next offseason we focus on LB's and DT's in the draft



Hey If I were GM, I'd make it happen.

[xbarretx]

Wait the Cowboys have 2 first round picks when the Clowns traded to get Quinn, they traded next years 1st round pick.

yeah but the Browns arent going to finish like they did last year....so at least its not a top 5 pick. yes it sucks though.

[The Franchise]

yeah but the Browns arent going to finish like they did last year....so at least its not a top 5 pick. yes it sucks though.
But don't you think that if they wanted Darren McFadden...that they'd give up both of their 1st round picks?

[xbarretx]

But don't you think that if they wanted Darren McFadden...that they'd give up both of their 1st round picks?

of course, thats why i say it sucks :deevee:

2 first rounders to sell is a must take deal. heck, id like the Chiefs to have 2 first rounders. but we wount draft high enough to get him.

[The Franchise]

of course, thats why i say it sucks :deevee:

2 first rounders to sell is a must take deal. heck, id like the Chiefs to have 2 first rounders. but we wount draft high enough to get him.

If we don't win another game for the rest of the year....we might have a shot at the top 5.


I'm torn. I'd like the Chiefs to get a Top 10 talent....but two 1st round picks would help fill two holes instead of one. We could draft an OT and a CB in the 1st round alone.

[xbarretx]

If we don't win another game for the rest of the year....we might have a shot at the top 5.


I'm torn. I'd like the Chiefs to get a Top 10 talent....but two 1st round picks would help fill two holes instead of one. We could draft an OT and a CB in the 1st round alone.

yeah b/c the boys regular (non browns pick) will be a very high one if not 2nd or 3rd to last.

[duncan_idaho]

My dream offseason:

1) Carl gets flushed like the turd he is. Herm is dragged along with him.
2) Chiefs end up with top 5 draft pick, take either Jake Long or Michael Oher ( I want no part of Clady)
3) Chiefs stay the hell away from Aqib Talib. Too slow to be elite corner, takes too many chances, and isn’t a sound-enough tackler when matched up with similar athletes.
4) Chiefs just take the best player available throughout the draft. LB or two, CB, speed receiver, OL, etc.

I’d be fine with adding a FA G like Lilja; he’s young, and unlikely to break the bank. Bring him back to KC.

[Micjones]

We can't sell out and draft the BPA without considering needs.

We're not that good a football team.
That's what teams like New England do.
Solid across the board so they simply improve the quality of talent on the team irrespective of position.

[The Franchise]

We can't sell out and draft the BPA without considering needs.

We're not that good a football team.
That's what teams like New England do.
Solid across the board so they simply improve the quality of talent on the team irrespective of position.

True...but you also can't reach for a need in the Top 10.

[Direckshun]

We can't sell out and draft the BPA without considering needs.

We're not that good a football team.
That's what teams like New England do.
Solid across the board so they simply improve the quality of talent on the team irrespective of position.
Well, you've got that half right. That is what New England does, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, too.

You always, always draft BPA. Always.

But that said, I don't believe that "drafting for need" and BPA are mutually exclusive. I doubt pro scouts have every single player on a charted list -- what'd be the real difference between the WR at #124 and the DE at #125?

I do bet that pro scouts have groups of players organized in tiers. That way, you only have to consult the best tier remaining and select a player from that tier that plays a position you need.

[Micjones]

True...but you also can't reach for a need in the Top 10.

Reach is just a codeword for bust.
And last I checked... No team is safe from those.

[Micjones]

Well, you've got that half right. That is what New England does, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, too.

We're two completely different franchises.

You always, always draft BPA. Always.

So when the Chiefs go on the board in April...You'd take a Runningback if that player were the Best Player Available? Knowing what we know now?

That'd be a mistake.

You and I both know it.

Teams don't rate players the same way so, in truth, that's subjective anyway.

You take the BPA at a position of need...
When you have as many holes as this team does.

[Direckshun]

Reach is just a codeword for bust.
And last I checked... No team is safe from those.
No... "reach" and "bust" are two different terms that mean distinctly different things.

A "reach" is when you select a player, either out of stupidity or desperation, that was projected to go in later rounds. A "bust" is after-the-fact; a guy drafted who didn't live up to his draft status is a bust.

Now, a guy can be a reach and a bust, but it is possible to be one without the other.

[Micjones]

No... "reach" and "bust" are two different terms that mean distinctly different things.

A "reach" is when you select a player, either out of stupidity or desperation, that was projected to go in later rounds. A "bust" is after-the-fact; a guy drafted who didn't live up to his draft status is a bust.

Now, a guy can be a reach and a bust, but it is possible to be one without the other.

We can agree to disagree.
People called Tamba Hali a "reach".
Oddly... You haven't heard that word much since.

Getting the best value is important on Used Car Lots and in Pawn Shops.
Getting great value is slighly overrated in my book.

[Direckshun]

So when the Chiefs go on the board in April...You'd take a Runningback if that player were the Best Player Available? Knowing what we know now?
Let's say the Chiefs have the #10 pick.

McFadden, for reasons that defy explanation, is somehow still on the board.

Do I, a Kansas City Chiefs bigwig, pull the trigger and draft him, knowing I've already got a Pro Bowl RB and a solid second-year backup?

Abso-fuqqing-lutely. At the very least, you can use McFadden's ridiculous value to trade off for some very good deals for positions of need, or trade off LJ for some very good deals for positions of need, or hell, trade off Kolby Smith and have the league's most-feared two-headed monster.

Either way, you always go BPA, because it gives you the most talent on the field and the most value to work with off of it.

[Direckshun]

We can agree to disagree.
People called Tamba Hali a "reach".
Oddly... You haven't heard that word much since.

Getting the best value is important on Used Car Lots and in Pawn Shops.
Getting great value is slighly overrated in my book.
Oh get out of here. Hali was considered across-the-board as being good value for that pick.

Getting great value is what people do to be successful in life. Pawn shops, house loans, and professional football franchises alike abide by that rule.

[Micjones]

Let's say the Chiefs have the #10 pick.

McFadden, for reasons that defy explanation, is somehow still on the board.

Do I, a Kansas City Chiefs bigwig, pull the trigger and draft him, knowing I've already got a Pro Bowl RB and a solid second-year backup?

Abso-fuqqing-lutely. At the very least, you can use McFadden's ridiculous value to trade off for some very good deals for positions of need, or trade off LJ for some very good deals for positions of need, or hell, trade off Kolby Smith and have the league's most-feared two-headed monster.

In that scenario, couldn't you just trade out of the #10 spot and command the same compensatory value?

In case you hadn't noticed...
Johnson's trade value just went into the toilet.
We had an opportunity to move him and we chose not to.
Anything we could possibly get for him in April would be considerably less valuable than what was available this year.

And Smith?
Good luck getting anything more than a 7th Rounder for him.
He hasn't proven enough to garner any real trade value yet.

[Micjones]

Oh get out of here. Hali was considered across-the-board as being good value for that pick.

No, he wasn't.
People howled about that pick.
Chiefs Kingdom was torn to say the very least.
I liked the pick, but most of the Chiefs fans surrounding me...did not.

Getting great value is what people do to be successful in life. Pawn shops, house loans, and professional football franchises alike abide by that rule.

It's important.
Just not as important in the NFL as some make it out to be.

[Pablo]

As far as I heard and/or read, Hali was considered a solid 2nd round pick, possibly a late 1st rounder, the mid-first round was a bit of a stretch..not much, but a little.

Then again, most of the commentators/writers who said this had no complaints with him either. It wasn't like we drafted garbage, and he more than likely would have been gone had we waited until our 2nd round pick.

We got a good, young DE out of the deal.

[Micjones]

I'm fine with taking a guy you believe can help your franchise. Even if it's a little earlier than he was expected to have been taken.

[HolmeZz]

Hali was definitely not a reach. He went about where I expected.

[Micjones]

Which speaks to my earlier point.

Opinions will differ from person to person...

[HemiEd]

Surtain is the best CB that we have why get rid of him? I know he's getting paid alot but I would like to see him around for another year. He's better than Law at this point!

Per htismaqe, Surtain would be very difficult to get rid of anyway, due to his contract.

[HemiEd]

Let's be realistic people.

Are you realistic in your dreams?

[POND_OF_RED]

9. Late 1st roud pick obtained by trading down
Agiib Talib CB Kansas - A nice tall CB who can be ready to replace Ty Law when his wheels completly fall off.
I would not waste a first round pick on a CB who would probably get beat in a foot race by most TE's in the NFL. Our main problem on D is getting burnt deep which happens to Talib too often.

[ChiefsCountry]

My offseason:
Sign Jordan Gross from the Panthers - gives us lots of flexiblity for the line. He can play left or right tackle.
Sign Bryant Johnson from the Cardinals - great opposite WR for Bowe

Draft BPA